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2014-08-20 12:01:49 PM
That's stinks.

Look, somebody had to say it. Now other people can come up with funny things for me to read.
 
2014-08-20 12:09:34 PM
I understand how bad it would look if people saw your men sleeping in their trucks, but don't tell me what I'm allowed to do on my unpaid lunch break, other than drinking.
 
2014-08-20 12:35:14 PM

criscodisco: I understand how bad it would look if people saw your men sleeping in their trucks, but don't tell me what I'm allowed to do on my unpaid lunch break, other than drinking.


I agree, but you know the usual right wing sites are going to jump on this as a way to bash unions by saying the garbage men sued to sleep at work, devoid of al context.
 
2014-08-20 12:35:49 PM

TuteTibiImperes: criscodisco: I understand how bad it would look if people saw your men sleeping in their trucks, but don't tell me what I'm allowed to do on my unpaid lunch break, other than drinking.

I agree, but you know the usual right wing sites are going to jump on this as a way to bash unions by saying the garbage men sued to sleep at work, devoid of al context.


all context even.
 
2014-08-20 12:38:32 PM
The "puritan work ethic" has farked up this country six ways to Sunday.
,
At my office We have several annoying twenty-somethings who have requested and got "standing" desks, citing all the benefit for posture and spinal muscles that standing rather than sitting provides,  and they draw all kinds of admiring  glances from co-workers.


I also see a guy around who from time to time undocks his laptop from the docking station at his desk and goes and sits in one of the comfy chair by the window and props his feet up on a nearby pillar.    That posture change is probably every bit as beneficial as the standing desks are but while the standees are seen as eager go-getters the guy who is actually comfortable invariably draws dirty looks from co-workers
 
2014-08-20 12:58:34 PM

criscodisco: I understand how bad it would look if people saw your men sleeping in their trucks, but don't tell me what I'm allowed to do on my unpaid lunch break, other than drinking.


Even then. Brits all drink at lunch. The UK gets by just fine.
 
2014-08-20 01:36:46 PM

criscodisco: I understand how bad it would look if people saw your men sleeping in their trucks, but don't tell me what I'm allowed to do on my unpaid lunch break, other than drinking.


Honestly, if you're collecting garbage, I'm OK with you drinking.  Heavily as long as you aren't driving the truck.
 
2014-08-20 01:38:00 PM
Really....it took THIS long????


talkbacker.com
 
2014-08-20 01:38:04 PM
My company used to bust drivers sleeping when they would park right by a security camera and sleep. They got paranoid and thought there were tattlers installed in the trucks.
 
2014-08-20 01:38:59 PM

doglover: criscodisco: I understand how bad it would look if people saw your men sleeping in their trucks, but don't tell me what I'm allowed to do on my unpaid lunch break, other than drinking.

Even then. Brits all drink at lunch. The UK gets by just fine.


Citation please
 
2014-08-20 01:39:05 PM

criscodisco: I understand how bad it would look if people saw your men sleeping in their trucks, but don't tell me what I'm allowed to do on my unpaid lunch break, other than drinking.


This.

Magorn: The "puritan work ethic" has farked up this country six ways to Sunday.


Double this.

Every point I thought of has already been made.
 
2014-08-20 01:39:13 PM

doglover: criscodisco: I understand how bad it would look if people saw your men sleeping in their trucks, but don't tell me what I'm allowed to do on my unpaid lunch break, other than drinking.

Even then. Brits all drink at lunch. The UK gets by just fine.


No, they don't. Have you even been there? All those Brits get so wasted at lunch that they start driving on the wrong of the road.
 
2014-08-20 01:39:29 PM
So they were on their lunch break and wouldn't allow them to nap?  If the lunch break isn't paid then GTFO I can do whatever I want to do on lunch.
 
2014-08-20 01:39:32 PM
I'm sure everyone who took a nap in their truck brought along an alarm clock, set it, and made sure to just sleep an hour or less.
 
2014-08-20 01:40:24 PM

criscodisco: I understand how bad it would look if people saw your men sleeping in their trucks, but don't tell me what I'm allowed to do on my unpaid lunch break, other than drinking.


Why draw the line at drinking?  Seems rather arbitrary.
 
2014-08-20 01:43:59 PM
For once I'm with the union and employees on this.  Your lunch break is your time.  Clock out, do whatever you want (within reason*), clock back in.

*Obviously, as someone just said upthread, you can't go out drinking and then go right back to operating heavy equipment, though I know a few longshoremen who do exactly that.
 
2014-08-20 01:44:19 PM
I nap during my meal break.  I reserve full-out sleeping for the work periods before and after lunch.
 
2014-08-20 01:44:46 PM
That comes up to around 23 grand per person.

After the lawyers take their cut, and the unions take their cut, the settlement comes down to the workers getting tree fiddy and a coupon for $10 off at The Habit.
 
2014-08-20 01:45:00 PM

Walker: I'm sure everyone who took a nap in their truck brought along an alarm clock, set it, and made sure to just sleep an hour or less.


This might be a shocker but cell phones have alarm clocks built right into them.
 
2014-08-20 01:46:14 PM

Walker: I'm sure everyone who took a nap in their truck brought along an alarm clock, set it, and made sure to just sleep an hour or less.


Seriously, why do you care? Is your life significantly improved if your trash is picked up at 2:30 instead of 2:00?
 
2014-08-20 01:48:30 PM

Walker: I'm sure everyone who took a nap in their truck brought along an alarm clock, set it, and made sure to just sleep an hour or less.


I'm betting some people came in late or called in sick too.

In fact, I heard during a normal M-F week, that 40% of used sick days for the week are Monday and Friday, just amazing!!!

/math
 
2014-08-20 01:52:06 PM

Magorn: The "puritan work ethic" has farked up this country six ways to Sunday.
,
At my office We have several annoying twenty-somethings who have requested and got "standing" desks, citing all the benefit for posture and spinal muscles that standing rather than sitting provides,  and they draw all kinds of admiring  glances from co-workers.


I also see a guy around who from time to time undocks his laptop from the docking station at his desk and goes and sits in one of the comfy chair by the window and props his feet up on a nearby pillar.    That posture change is probably every bit as beneficial as the standing desks are but while the standees are seen as eager go-getters the guy who is actually comfortable invariably draws dirty looks from co-workers


You sound fat and entitled.
 
2014-08-20 01:53:18 PM

stratagos: Walker: I'm sure everyone who took a nap in their truck brought along an alarm clock, set it, and made sure to just sleep an hour or less.

Seriously, why do you care? Is your life significantly improved if your trash is picked up at 2:30 instead of 2:00?


Well I used to live in an over 55 community (bad economy and all) and many of those old people would go pick up their empty trash cans not 5 minutes after the trash people came by. The same with the mail delivery. No life what so ever.
 
2014-08-20 01:57:50 PM
Uppity sanitation workers

www.miamiherald.com
 
2014-08-20 01:59:13 PM

stratagos: Walker: I'm sure everyone who took a nap in their truck brought along an alarm clock, set it, and made sure to just sleep an hour or less.

Seriously, why do you care? Is your life significantly improved if your trash is picked up at 2:30 instead of 2:00?


It could, actually. If they're oversleeping and subsequently having to log overtime to complete their normal jobs, that would indeed impact the taxpayers.

That said, this is a good precedent. Employers have massively overreached into employee's non-work time in the last 20 years.
 
2014-08-20 01:59:29 PM
So any time anyone in authority over you makes a bad call and you suffer a "loss", sue their farkin' ass off.

This country is starting to suck...unless you're a ne'er-do-well who fails at responsibility.
 
2014-08-20 02:00:01 PM
For taking naps during lunch hours, not naps during work hours.

You idiot.
 
2014-08-20 02:00:28 PM
taking naps during work lunch hour

FTFY

I'm ok with this.
 
2014-08-20 02:00:32 PM

Magorn: The "puritan work ethic" has farked up this country six ways to Sunday.
,
At my office We have several annoying twenty-somethings who have requested and got "standing" desks, citing all the benefit for posture and spinal muscles that standing rather than sitting provides,  and they draw all kinds of admiring  glances from co-workers.


I also see a guy around who from time to time undocks his laptop from the docking station at his desk and goes and sits in one of the comfy chair by the window and props his feet up on a nearby pillar.    That posture change is probably every bit as beneficial as the standing desks are but while the standees are seen as eager go-getters the guy who is actually comfortable invariably draws dirty looks from co-workers


You seem to care a lot about how your co-workers look at each other. Is that something you are paid to notice and take data on? Why are you eyeing Jim so much?

Are you mad that the workers who stand up to work have firm tight butts that make you so angry you want to eat a subway sandwich? They just stand there being so firm and you sit there just hoping they get tired son they have to sit down. Because sitting down means they have to bend over and pull that chair over and they might fall on those tight, hard butts. Mmmmm. That would feel soo good.....seeing them fall down. yea...
 
2014-08-20 02:00:50 PM
FFS even the Japanese sleep and play video games during their lunch break and those guys are such abused workaholics they're committing suicide in droves.  You're ostracized if you try to stretch that hour, but that hour's yours.
 
2014-08-20 02:03:37 PM

farkin_Gary: This country is starting to suck...unless you're a ne'er-do-well who fails at responsibility.


Don't let the door hit you on the ass on the way out.
 
2014-08-20 02:06:58 PM

dryknife: Uppity sanitation workers

[www.miamiherald.com image 300x300]


img.fark.net
Jezebel has gone too far!
 
2014-08-20 02:09:42 PM

TNel: farkin_Gary: This country is starting to suck...unless you're a ne'er-do-well who fails at responsibility.

Don't let the door hit you on the ass on the way out.


But don't you see, I'm not part of the problem.
 
2014-08-20 02:12:43 PM

cwheelie: doglover: criscodisco: I understand how bad it would look if people saw your men sleeping in their trucks, but don't tell me what I'm allowed to do on my unpaid lunch break, other than drinking.

Even then. Brits all drink at lunch. The UK gets by just fine.

Citation please


don't know about England, but in Germany saw a vending machine stocked with beer on a manufacturing shop floor
 
2014-08-20 02:15:25 PM

Snarfangel: That's stinks.

Look, somebody had to say it. Now other people can come up with funny things for me to read.


It's dirty pool.
 
2014-08-20 02:20:01 PM

doglover: criscodisco: I understand how bad it would look if people saw your men sleeping in their trucks, but don't tell me what I'm allowed to do on my unpaid lunch break, other than drinking.

Even then. Brits all drink at lunch. The UK gets by just fine.


That's a definition of "just fine" that I was previously unaware of.
 
2014-08-20 02:22:46 PM

TuteTibiImperes: criscodisco: I understand how bad it would look if people saw your men sleeping in their trucks, but don't tell me what I'm allowed to do on my unpaid lunch break, other than drinking.

I agree, but you know the usual right wing sites are going to jump on this as a way to bash unions by saying the garbage men sued to sleep at work, devoid of al context.


BAM 3 posts before someone brought up how evil the "right wing" is in a completely unrelated story.

Everybody drink.  Just not on your lunch break.
 
2014-08-20 02:24:35 PM
Old man Patterson with his finger on the button!!
 
2014-08-20 02:26:27 PM
reminds me of this old (true) joke...

Q: what is yellow and sleeps three?
A: a Caltrans truck
 
2014-08-20 02:26:31 PM

doglover: criscodisco: I understand how bad it would look if people saw your men sleeping in their trucks, but don't tell me what I'm allowed to do on my unpaid lunch break, other than drinking.

Even then. Brits all drink at lunch. The UK gets by just fine.


I wasn't saying for one second that I won't drink on my break, just that I understand why my boss might have to tell me not to.
 
2014-08-20 02:26:31 PM

Empty H: Magorn: The "puritan work ethic" has farked up this country six ways to Sunday.
,
At my office We have several annoying twenty-somethings who have requested and got "standing" desks, citing all the benefit for posture and spinal muscles that standing rather than sitting provides,  and they draw all kinds of admiring  glances from co-workers.


I also see a guy around who from time to time undocks his laptop from the docking station at his desk and goes and sits in one of the comfy chair by the window and props his feet up on a nearby pillar.    That posture change is probably every bit as beneficial as the standing desks are but while the standees are seen as eager go-getters the guy who is actually comfortable invariably draws dirty looks from co-workers

You seem to care a lot about how your co-workers look at each other. Is that something you are paid to notice and take data on? Why are you eyeing Jim so much?

Are you mad that the workers who stand up to work have firm tight butts that make you so angry you want to eat a subway sandwich? They just stand there being so firm and you sit there just hoping they get tired son they have to sit down. Because sitting down means they have to bend over and pull that chair over and they might fall on those tight, hard butts. Mmmmm. That would feel soo good.....seeing them fall down. yea...


Oh great, thanks a lot. Now I have to go visit my bunk. And since it's during work hours, I won't be using it for taking a nap.
 
2014-08-20 02:33:30 PM
Siiiigh. Ok, so instead make the rule such that employees must remove their identifying uniforms before performing acts off-duty that reflect negatively on the organization. Was that so hard?
 
2014-08-20 02:43:39 PM

criscodisco: I understand how bad it would look if people saw your men sleeping in their trucks, but don't tell me what I'm allowed to do on my unpaid lunch break, other than drinking.


I work for a county government.  I have a bean bag chair in the back of the office.  Every day from 4:00-4:15 I take a 15 minute powernap on my afternoon break.

One day my bosses boss saw me sleeping and had a fit, she said the chair has to go, and no more sleeping on breaks.

I proved I was on my break, had my supervisor back me up that I was on a break, and was never late coming off break.  The union said there is no way the boss can direct how breaks are spent and we went merrily on our way.

Oh she also once tried to say we could not leave the building/property on 15 minute breaks because we were working, and they didn't want to be liable if we had an accident.
 
2014-08-20 02:48:08 PM

evilmousse: Siiiigh. Ok, so instead make the rule such that employees must remove their identifying uniforms before performing acts off-duty that reflect negatively on the organization. Was that so hard?


Probably because they would still be in company vehicles.
 
2014-08-20 02:58:48 PM

baronbloodbath: That comes up to around 23 grand per person.

After the lawyers take their cut, and the unions take their cut, the settlement comes down to the workers getting tree fiddy and a coupon for $10 off at The Habit.


Alright! I love the Habit!

Better than a pizza coupon for poisoning our water.
 
2014-08-20 03:23:32 PM

evilmousse: Siiiigh. Ok, so instead make the rule such that employees must remove their identifying uniforms before performing acts off-duty that reflect negatively on the organization. Was that so hard?


Or the trucks could have a lighted sign on the roof that says "in service".  When the driver is off duty, they disable the light.

If somebody calls to complain, the first question the supervisor can ask is "was the rooftop light on?".


realityVSperception: don't know about England, but in Germany saw a vending machine stocked with beer on a manufacturing shop floor


I wonder what the ABV was for them.  A couple of light Pilsner beers with lunch isn't going to affect people much.  A couple of Weisenbiers (wheat beers) might, though.

Most of the companies I've worked for didn't care if you had a drink with lunch.  Usually it was a privilege that was revoked if abused.  No heavy machinery involved, though.
 
2014-08-20 03:30:10 PM

Magorn: The "puritan work ethic" has farked up this country six ways to Sunday.
,
At my office We have several annoying twenty-somethings who have requested and got "standing" desks, citing all the benefit for posture and spinal muscles that standing rather than sitting provides,  and they draw all kinds of admiring  glances from co-workers.


I also see a guy around who from time to time undocks his laptop from the docking station at his desk and goes and sits in one of the comfy chair by the window and props his feet up on a nearby pillar.    That posture change is probably every bit as beneficial as the standing desks are but while the standees are seen as eager go-getters the guy who is actually comfortable invariably draws dirty looks from co-workers


Holy crap, do we work in the same office?
 
2014-08-20 03:42:37 PM

Magorn: The "puritan work ethic" has farked up this country six ways to Sunday.
,
At my office We have several annoying twenty-somethings who have requested and got "standing" desks, citing all the benefit for posture and spinal muscles that standing rather than sitting provides,  and they draw all kinds of admiring  glances from co-workers.


I also see a guy around who from time to time undocks his laptop from the docking station at his desk and goes and sits in one of the comfy chair by the window and props his feet up on a nearby pillar.    That posture change is probably every bit as beneficial as the standing desks are but while the standees are seen as eager go-getters the guy who is actually comfortable invariably draws dirty looks from co-workers


Stand up desks are much, much better for your back and neck than sitting all day. Don't knock it till you try it. It has nothing to do with "Puritan work ethic."

As for the guy that sits in the comfy chair by the window with his feet propped up? It just isn't professional. I'm sure showing up to work in jorts and flip flops wearing a wife beater is more comfortable than "business casual" but once again, it just isn't professional.

And once again, it has nothing to do with "Puritan work ethic."
 
2014-08-20 03:50:06 PM

strapp3r: reminds me of this old (true) joke...

Q: what is yellow and sleeps three?
A: a Caltrans truck


Here.. its what is yellow and sleeps 6?... a PennDot truck!

My favorite quote about PennDot is.

PennDOT is just like a groundhog. They stand around staring for a bit, make as many annoying holes as they can, then they go to sleep all winter.
 
2014-08-20 04:02:17 PM

ChipNASA: Really....it took THIS long????


[talkbacker.com image 339x192]


It's the middle of the week, people are tired and haven't gotten their second wind yet.
 
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