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(Huffington Post Canada)   Leader of ruling party that denies Climate Change science, takes a trip to the Arctic to promote agriculture and industry never possible before all the ice melted   (huffingtonpost.ca) divider line 29
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2014-08-20 02:11:19 PM  
Harper isn't a climate change denier.  He's in the, let's not do a farking thing about it camp.  I don't think any key politician denies it up here.
 
2014-08-20 03:03:39 PM  
It's not really much more navigable - it's just that satellite cameras made it possible to see the open areas. People have been traversing it for over a century, on and off.
 
2014-08-20 03:10:38 PM  
Welp.  TFA said not word one about climate change, so there's that.  I do not admire Harper's stance on climate change, but it might be said, Canada stands to benefit from the planet's peril on warming temperatures.  Harper may well know which way the wind blows, and is OK with it, even if the rest of the planet burns.  Never discount the most basic move to act in self interest.  If there's something we can rely on, it's self interest.
 
2014-08-20 03:21:20 PM  

cirby: It's not really much more navigable - it's just that satellite cameras made it possible to see the open areas. People have been traversing it for over a century, on and off.


At this rate, it will become a better/cheaper route than the Panama Canal in not too many years.  In the summer months if nothing else.  Also, who knows what's up there.  Oil? Gold? Uranium?
 
2014-08-20 03:24:27 PM  

mrshowrules: Harper isn't a climate change denier.  He's in the, let's not do a farking thing about it camp.  I don't think any key politician denies it up here.


^This.

The Harper Government (TM) has taken the "industry can regulate themselves" approach. As we have seen nothing bad happens when we allow businesses to opt into safety regulations. Except for listeria outbreaks, tailing ponds leaking into the water table and a freaking train exploding in the middle of a town.

Other than that, nothing bad at all.
 
2014-08-20 03:26:11 PM  
He does not deny Climate change, but does deny the science because the facts are at odds with many policy planks.
 
2014-08-20 03:27:56 PM  
Global warming is probably going to be awesome for Canada.

At least for a while.
 
2014-08-20 03:31:09 PM  
There are no deniers of science, just those who arrive at different conclusions regarding the results as they stand now
 
2014-08-20 03:34:53 PM  

Pumpernickel bread: There are no deniers of science, just those who arrive at different conclusions regarding the results as they stand now


Which means that you will always have those 'scientists' that are willing to whore themselves out for a fat paycheck to defend corporations (look at how long the gasoline companies were able to pay scientists to say that lead 'was no big problem').  Then you have scientists who actually go and do actual science and make their determinations based on what they observe from testing.

I would say the deniers are in the 1st group.  Since they already have a 'pre-made' decision, paid for and shilled by 'scientists'.
 
2014-08-20 03:36:34 PM  
Harper is a Albertan who's entire purpose is to let Big Oil do what it wants while felating their top executives for campaign contributions like every other redneck POS in that hillbilly backwoods province.

And before thye "B-b-b-but Harper's from Toronto!", he lives in Alberta, is elected from Alberta and is part of the Calgary school of conservatism (Tea Party North). He's an Albertan.

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2014-08-20 03:38:51 PM  

Gaylord Q. Tinkledink: Harper is a Albertan who's entire purpose is to let Big Oil do what it wants while felating their top executives for campaign contributions like every other redneck POS in that hillbilly backwoods province.

And before thye "B-b-b-but Harper's from Toronto!", he lives in Alberta, is elected from Alberta and is part of the Calgary school of conservatism (Tea Party North). He's an Albertan.

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Well, I guess that does prove what a friend told me about Alberta.  That's it's pretty much the Texas of Canada (without the completely batshiat amount of derp that Texas has, though).
 
2014-08-20 03:43:17 PM  

AurizenDarkstar: Gaylord Q. Tinkledink: Harper is a Albertan who's entire purpose is to let Big Oil do what it wants while felating their top executives for campaign contributions like every other redneck POS in that hillbilly backwoods province.

And before thye "B-b-b-but Harper's from Toronto!", he lives in Alberta, is elected from Alberta and is part of the Calgary school of conservatism (Tea Party North). He's an Albertan.

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Well, I guess that does prove what a friend told me about Alberta.  That's it's pretty much the Texas of Canada (without the completely batshiat amount of derp that Texas has, though).


They wish they were Texas. They're more like Mississippi, just colder and more inbred.
 
2014-08-20 03:44:04 PM  

Pumpernickel bread: There are no deniers of science, just those who arrive at different conclusions regarding the results as they stand now


If you deny the results as they stand now - which is that carbon dioxide and other anthropogenic sources are responsible for the majority of atmospheric and oceanic warming - you are denying basic science. Hell, you are ignoring basic physics. The absorption spectra of carbon dioxide have been known for coming up on a hundred years now. There's no mechanism by which solar warming could cause tropospheric warming with stratospheric cooling other than via greenhouse gas emissions. There is no mechanism for the reduced fraction of C13 in the atmosphere's carbon dioxide composition other than fossil fuel burning. The basic underlying mechanism is so simple you can teach it to fourth graders. So what's your excuse?
 
2014-08-20 03:50:42 PM  

captainktainer: The basic underlying mechanism is so simple you can teach it to fourth graders. So what's your excuse?


By golly, we've just got to buy the votes of the lower 10% by expanding their carbon footprint as much as possible! We overrule survival of the fittest, and we've garnered ourselves a captive voting bloc!
 
2014-08-20 03:52:51 PM  
ZOMG AL GORE DRIVES AN SUV
 
2014-08-20 03:59:23 PM  

AurizenDarkstar: Well, I guess that does prove what a friend told me about Alberta. That's it's pretty much the Texas of Canada (without the completely batshiat amount of derp that Texas has, though).


Manitoba seems to have the derp, though:

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/08/19/candace-maxymowich-creationi sm -winnipeg-school-trustee_n_5692257.html

"First, Candace Maxymowich said that sex education should be abstinence-only.  Now, the candidate for trustee in Winnipeg's Louis Riel School Division is generating controversy again after she said she supports teaching creationism alongside evolution in science classrooms."

Why, Canada, why?  I was planning on escaping to Canada someday, but now I'll have to find another country.
 
2014-08-20 04:03:59 PM  

AurizenDarkstar: Pumpernickel bread: There are no deniers of science, just those who arrive at different conclusions regarding the results as they stand now

Which means that you will always have those 'scientists' that are willing to whore themselves out for a fat paycheck to defend corporations (look at how long the gasoline companies were able to pay scientists to say that lead 'was no big problem').  Then you have scientists who actually go and do actual science and make their determinations based on what they observe from testing.

I would say the deniers are in the 1st group.  Since they already have a 'pre-made' decision, paid for and shilled by 'scientists'.


FTFY. Scientists who want a certain result gets you science like this:
"Last year, British and Canadian researchers proposed an alternative temperature curve with higher values, in which they incorporated estimated temperatures from satellite data for regions with no weather stations. If the model data is corrected downwards, as suggested by the ETH researchers, and the measurement data is corrected upwards, as suggested by the British and Canadian researchers, then the model and actual observations are very similar. "
 
2014-08-20 04:04:11 PM  
www.bitlogic.com
 
2014-08-20 04:05:28 PM  

mrshowrules: Harper isn't a climate change denier.  He's in the, let's not do a farking thing about it camp.  I don't think any key politician denies it up here.


I know conservatives who rapidly evolved to, "it's probably more expensive to prevent than it is to mitigate afterwards."

So much for an ounce of prevention...
 
2014-08-20 04:16:11 PM  

flondrix: AurizenDarkstar: Well, I guess that does prove what a friend told me about Alberta. That's it's pretty much the Texas of Canada (without the completely batshiat amount of derp that Texas has, though).

Manitoba seems to have the derp, though:

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/08/19/candace-maxymowich-creationi sm -winnipeg-school-trustee_n_5692257.html

"First, Candace Maxymowich said that sex education should be abstinence-only.  Now, the candidate for trustee in Winnipeg's Louis Riel School Division is generating controversy again after she said she supports teaching creationism alongside evolution in science classrooms."

Why, Canada, why?  I was planning on escaping to Canada someday, but now I'll have to find another country.


She's just a candidate, she won't get elected. Albertans elect those people, actually teach creationism in school, forces children to take abstinence only sex education and is the only province in canada with prayer in public schools.
 
2014-08-20 04:35:40 PM  

Gaylord Q. Tinkledink: She's just a candidate, she won't get elected. Albertans elect those people, actually teach creationism in school, forces children to take abstinence only sex education and is the only province in canada with prayer in public schools.


What is Alberta's teen pregnancy rate like, compared to the rest of Canada?
 
2014-08-20 04:50:28 PM  

flondrix: Gaylord Q. Tinkledink: She's just a candidate, she won't get elected. Albertans elect those people, actually teach creationism in school, forces children to take abstinence only sex education and is the only province in canada with prayer in public schools.

What is Alberta's teen pregnancy rate like, compared to the rest of Canada?


Not the highest rates in Canada, but higher than average, but they have the highest trates of STI transmission in the country. Rednecks are too stupid to use condoms.
 
2014-08-20 06:16:24 PM  
People forget that much of southern Alberta was homesteaded by restless Mormons who migrated north from Utah, and that when the first major oil finds were made in Alberta - not so long ago - it was Texans with their experience and expertise who came north to help develop them. So Albertans come by their Yankee-ness organically, not because some latter-day neo-liberals think the Tea Party is something to emulate.

As for a would-be Winnipeg school trustee promoting "creationism" in schools, it must also be remembered that Manitoba's Bible Belt begins on the southern outskirts of Winnipeg and extends throughout the southern part of the province. Those folks have clout, they're just quiet and polite about it.
 
2014-08-20 07:00:58 PM  

flondrix: Why, Canada, why?  I was planning on escaping to Canada someday, but now I'll have to find another country.


Just keep away from the flat, grassy, empty parts and you'll be fine.

Difficulty: that's where all the jobs are.
 
2014-08-20 08:43:12 PM  
So.... burn more fossil fuels!
 
2014-08-21 12:17:39 AM  

mrshowrules: Harper isn't a climate change denier.  He's in the, let's not do a farking thing about it camp.  I don't think any key politician denies it up here.


to be fair, it would probably be a good thing for Canada, in the long term.
 
2014-08-21 12:23:54 AM  

Ambivalence: mrshowrules: Harper isn't a climate change denier.  He's in the, let's not do a farking thing about it camp.  I don't think any key politician denies it up here.

to be fair, it would probably be a good thing for Canada, in the long term.


Less than you might think. Ever wonder where the rich soil in the US came from?
 
2014-08-21 03:07:52 AM  

SquiggsIN: flondrix: Why, Canada, why? I was planning on escaping to Canada someday, but now I'll have to find another country.

Scandinavia might be nice, you know, once global warming really kicks in.


The last 2 summers have been awesome... everyone talks about great July was (it was warmer here than in Greece!) and then nervously says "Hurra for global warming..."

We have been having brush fires in the normally sopping wet west coast, and last winter, it rained all the time here in Oslo. That part sucks.

Again, just weather, 2 years does not a climate make. But nobody here denies climate change.
 
2014-08-21 11:52:38 PM  

Gaylord Q. Tinkledink: Albertans elect those people, actually teach creationism in school, forces children to take abstinence only sex education and is the only province in canada with prayer in public schools.


You know how I know you've never actually lived here?
 
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