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(Townhall)   We must also go back and read the Constitution, including the First Amendment, which guarantees freedom of religion. It says nothing about freedom from religion   (townhall.com) divider line 502
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2014-08-20 08:48:52 AM  
Free practice. Which means that you don't get an endorsement from the government. You don't get to impose your faith on others who practice differently.  You don't get to vote what folks of other faiths do, based upon your own faith.

Do what you want within the confines of your own faith, and those who share it. Kindly keep out of the business of those who don't share it. Talk as much as you want about your faith, and how much disagree with others, but when you start looking to the government to back your play, then you've overstepped. That interferes with OTHERS from freely practicing. When you seek to base laws upon your interpretations of Scripture or whatever holy book you use, then there's an issue. Talk, minister, plead, discuss, certainly. But keep your faith out of public policy, and while you may think that your faith is the predominate one in your community, that still leaves folks who don't share your faith with their own right to practice freely. Your "community standards" still are an impediment to others' free practice, and that is guaranteed by our Constitution, because we tried official faiths before. It wound up with dead people and folks run out of their home states, because they didn't practice the faith of their neighbors. And we, as a nation, realized that it was a problem.

Please. Talk with folks, plead, discuss, whatever, but stop trying to base public policy on matters of faith.

Don't want an abortion? Don't have one. Don't like same sex marriage? Don't allow it in your ministry. Stop trying to make YOUR articles of faith public policy. Do that, and everything is fine. Be the example. Use your faith to be the beacon on the hill, and draw folks to you by your example. Mandating that everyone follow your faith's teachings has been tried before, and it doesn't end well.
 
2014-08-20 08:57:00 AM  
TFA says atheism is a religion - waste of time.
 
2014-08-20 08:59:13 AM  
The previous sentence may seem out of place if you don't realize that atheism is actually a religion.

forum.sportsmogul.com
 
2014-08-20 09:06:30 AM  
"As a nation, we must avoid the paralysis of hypersensitivity, which prevents us from getting anything done because virtually everything offends someone. We need to distribute "big boy" pants to help the whiners learn to focus their energy in a productive way ."

wtf
 
2014-08-20 09:09:11 AM  

21-7-b: "As a nation, we must avoid the paralysis of hypersensitivity, which prevents us from getting anything done because virtually everything offends someone. We need to distribute "big boy" pants to help the whiners learn to focus their energy in a productive way ."

wtf


So, essentially, our Dear Author is saying that we should just STFU about mosques, about folks who don't feel that birth control is an issue, and that marriage equality is a sin?

Not that they realize that's what they're saying, but then again, this is TownHall so not exactly what you'd call a particularly deep thinker...
 
2014-08-20 09:15:09 AM  

21-7-b: "As a nation, we must avoid the paralysis of hypersensitivity, which prevents us from getting anything done because virtually everything offends someone. We need to distribute "big boy" pants to help the whiners learn to focus their energy in a productive way ."

wtf


Boy, if that quote doesn't warrant "physician heal thyself" I don't know what does.
 
2014-08-20 09:16:07 AM  

hubiestubert: 21-7-b: "As a nation, we must avoid the paralysis of hypersensitivity, which prevents us from getting anything done because virtually everything offends someone. We need to distribute "big boy" pants to help the whiners learn to focus their energy in a productive way ."

wtf

So, essentially, our Dear Author is saying that we should just STFU about mosques, about folks who don't feel that birth control is an issue, and that marriage equality is a sin?

Not that they realize that's what they're saying, but then again, this is TownHall so not exactly what you'd call a particularly deep thinker...


the distribution of these "big boy" pants, supervised by those suitably instructed by god, solves all those problems?
 
2014-08-20 09:17:55 AM  
www.dreamhost.com

What big boy pants may look like.
 
2014-08-20 10:14:08 AM  

amoral crusader: TFA says atheism is a religion - waste of time.


What else do you call a group of people who congregate together around a unifying belief?
 
2014-08-20 10:14:10 AM  
QFTA:

Some atheists argue that there should be a library or cachet of religious material at the check-in desk of a hotel from which any guest could order a Bible, Torah or Koran for their reading pleasure. No favoritism would be shown through such a system, and those who reject the idea of God would not have to be offended.
This is like saying there shouldn't be certain brands of bottled water in hotel rooms because there may be guests who prefer a different type of water or are offended by bottled water and think everybody should be drinking tap water. The logical answer to such absurdity would, of course, be that the offended individual could bring his own water or simply ignore the brand of water he does not care for.


Except bottled water preference IS NOT LISTED IN THE FIRST AMENDMENT!
 
2014-08-20 10:15:39 AM  

scottydoesntknow: The previous sentence may seem out of place if you don't realize that atheism is actually a religion.

[forum.sportsmogul.com image 250x272]


Eh, I don't think it's a religion per se. But he does have a point that everyone has freedom of conscience regardless of whether they practice a religion or not.
 
2014-08-20 10:15:53 AM  

Lucky LaRue: What else do you call a group of people who congregate together around a unifying belief?


A home game.
 
2014-08-20 10:16:09 AM  
It's the very first part of the amendment, dumbass. "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion..."
 
2014-08-20 10:17:44 AM  

Lucky LaRue: amoral crusader: TFA says atheism is a religion - waste of time.

What else do you call a group of people who congregate together around a unifying belief?


Perverts.

/in the case of people congregating together at an AVN conference
 
2014-08-20 10:18:31 AM  

Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: QFTA:

Except bottled water preference IS NOT LISTED IN THE FIRST AMENDMENT!


So it's ok to be wasteful of a valuable resource and show flagrant disregard for the environment by packaging that resource in plastic bottles because the prohibition of destroying the planet isn't listed in the first amendment?  Can't you see how some people would find bottled water offensive?
 
2014-08-20 10:19:03 AM  

Lucky LaRue: amoral crusader: TFA says atheism is a religion - waste of time.

What else do you call a group of people who congregate together around a unifying belief?


www.unexplainedstuff.com

Dead?
 
2014-08-20 10:19:05 AM  

Lucky LaRue: amoral crusader: TFA says atheism is a religion - waste of time.

What else do you call a group of people who congregate together around a unifying belief?


You don't know a whole lot of atheists, do you?
 
2014-08-20 10:19:06 AM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: Lucky LaRue: What else do you call a group of people who congregate together around a unifying belief?

A home game.


hehehe!
 
2014-08-20 10:19:19 AM  
This "freedom OF religion, not freedom FROM religion" argument is so simple and catchy, I just can't believe it's never really caught on.

/See also: "Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve"
 
2014-08-20 10:19:55 AM  
"atheism is actually a religion"

Dr. Ben Carson
 
2014-08-20 10:20:29 AM  

Lucky LaRue: amoral crusader: TFA says atheism is a religion - waste of time.

What else do you call a group of people who congregate together around a unifying belief?


img.fark.net
 
2014-08-20 10:21:03 AM  
Not this shait again. Sorry you don't get to have government endorse your religion. Not yours.
 
2014-08-20 10:21:08 AM  

21-7-b: We need to distribute "big boy" pants


Woo, free pants!
 
2014-08-20 10:21:12 AM  

PunGent: Lucky LaRue: amoral crusader: TFA says atheism is a religion - waste of time.

What else do you call a group of people who congregate together around a unifying belief?

You don't know a whole lot of atheists, do you?


Oh, yeah, you're right.  I guess Freedom From Religion isn't really a group after all - just a bunch of individuals who, by coincidence, are working towards the same goal of making everyone as miserable as they are.
 
2014-08-20 10:21:24 AM  

Lucky LaRue: Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: QFTA:

Except bottled water preference IS NOT LISTED IN THE FIRST AMENDMENT!

So it's ok to be wasteful of a valuable resource and show flagrant disregard for the environment by packaging that resource in plastic bottles because the prohibition of destroying the planet isn't listed in the first amendment?  Can't you see how some people would find bottled water offensive?


Why should we be offended by the bottled water? Isn't this the water we baptized in?

/I feel bad. MLK JR said that about not being afraid of the fire hoses. I just know Hell was suddenly created and I'm going there soon
 
2014-08-20 10:21:57 AM  

Diogenes: 21-7-b: "As a nation, we must avoid the paralysis of hypersensitivity, which prevents us from getting anything done because virtually everything offends someone. We need to distribute "big boy" pants to help the whiners learn to focus their energy in a productive way ."

wtf

Boy, if that quote doesn't warrant "physician heal thyself" I don't know what does.


Why do you want to condone medical malpractice?  This is Townhall:  physician heal thyself would start with a attempted penis extension and end up with a combo lobotomy/hemorrhoid removal
 
2014-08-20 10:22:22 AM  
Practicing religion is like being a mime.
 
2014-08-20 10:22:35 AM  

Diogenes: 21-7-b: "As a nation, we must avoid the paralysis of hypersensitivity, which prevents us from getting anything done because virtually everything offends someone. We need to distribute "big boy" pants to help the whiners learn to focus their energy in a productive way ."

wtf

Boy, if that quote doesn't warrant "physician heal thyself" I don't know what does.


it would be wonderful if he could devote the rest of life to explaining how a rational mind with a leading understanding of the human body can come to the conclusion that the earth is 6,000 years old
 
2014-08-20 10:22:44 AM  

Lucky LaRue: amoral crusader: TFA says atheism is a religion - waste of time.

What else do you call a group of people who congregate together around a unifying belief?


Except that it's a lack of belief.  The only reason we have to band together at times is because some religious folk hate us so much.

I think I understand the sentiment, though.  It's a tribal thing.  You don't know how to process the fact that we don't have a religion, that we aren't part of a tribe, so you mentally group us all into one camp so that you can properly oppose us.  You want to fight a religion, but there's none here.
 
2014-08-20 10:23:16 AM  
*tips fedora*

M'lady

38.media.tumblr.com
 
2014-08-20 10:23:23 AM  
Some atheists argue that there should be a library or cachet of religious material at the check-in desk of a hotel from which any guest could order a Bible, Torah or Koran for their reading pleasure. No favoritism would be shown through such a system, and those who reject the idea of God would not have to be offended.
This is like saying there shouldn't be certain brands of bottled water in hotel rooms because there may be guests who prefer a different type of water or are offended by bottled water and think everybody should be drinking tap water. The logical answer to such absurdity would, of course, be that the offended individual could bring his own water or simply ignore the brand of water he does not care for.


I'm not sure I've ever seen someone misinterpret their own analogy before.
 
2014-08-20 10:23:36 AM  
FALSE EQUIVALENCIES MAKE HULK BRAIN HURT.
 
2014-08-20 10:23:43 AM  
FFRF got (rightly) upset that government run hotels had Bibles in them, which could be seen as the government promoting Christianity.  Carson sees this as equivalent to people getting upset at the selection of bottled water in privately-run hotels.  Apparently he things the First Amendment reads:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, just as Hilton shall make no decision as to the preference of Dasani or Aquafina ...

How the hell was someone so stupid ever entrusted with cutting up people's brains?  Or did he start working on himself sometime after retirement?
 
2014-08-20 10:23:58 AM  

Lucky LaRue: amoral crusader: TFA says atheism is a religion - waste of time.

What else do you call a group of people who congregate together around a unifying belief?


Other religions:
Comiccon-the religion of comics
car shows-the religion of cars
philatelist shows-the religion of stamps
bodybuilding competitions-the religion of the body modification
Tattoo artist conventions-the same as the above, but with ink
Fourth of July parades-the religion of America
 
2014-08-20 10:24:11 AM  
Also, there is nothing about the FAA in the Constitution, so I don't recognize the need for it.

In addition, I don't believe in guns.  Guns aren't in the Bible.
 
2014-08-20 10:24:54 AM  

Lucky LaRue: amoral crusader: TFA says atheism is a religion - waste of time.

What else do you call a group of people who congregate together around a unifying belief?


img.fark.net
 
2014-08-20 10:25:15 AM  
This farking bullshiat again?

Someone explain to me - without "HURR u can pray to any Jesus u like DURR" - what freedom of religion means without freedom from religion. Like, as a concept. If I have the freedom to follow my conscience in matters of faith and belief, who are you to circumscribe the boundaries for my conscience?

// also, if atheism is a religion, shouldn't it get the same manner of protections as Christianity - meaning the nonreligious also get to have our preferred decorations (NONE) hanging in public spaces around Christmas?
 
2014-08-20 10:25:39 AM  
img.fark.net
 
2014-08-20 10:25:43 AM  

RulerOfNone: Lucky LaRue: amoral crusader: TFA says atheism is a religion - waste of time.

What else do you call a group of people who congregate together around a unifying belief?

Except that it's a lack of belief.  The only reason we have to band together at times is because some religious folk hate us so much.

I think I understand the sentiment, though.  It's a tribal thing.  You don't know how to process the fact that we don't have a religion, that we aren't part of a tribe, so you mentally group us all into one camp so that you can properly oppose us.  You want to fight a religion, but there's none here.


hahaha! That's some strong non-belief you've got there!  It's almost like you've codified what it means to be an atheist.
 
2014-08-20 10:25:52 AM  

Lucky LaRue: amoral crusader: TFA says atheism is a religion - waste of time.

What else do you call a group of people who congregate together around a unifying belief?


By that logic, Star Trek is a religion.
 
2014-08-20 10:26:12 AM  
See, b/c, let me tell you one things, Atheist whiners - the lack of any evidence of God is the same as believing in Fairy Tales from The Desert.   so therefore and furthermore, you are practicing a religion. Now, do you see?   It's just that your religion isn't welcome and mine is, b/c it's freedom of religion, not FROM religion, which is what you claim to practice, but I'm telling your that it is actually a religion.  Which, if you study it out, closely, you'll see that even though you don't want freedom FROM religion since you are practicing one, you just hate Christians.  Now, see, even though there is no text for your GODLESS religion, if there were, you could bring that to the Navy Hotel Grand Lux and show it to me.  I'll be waiting.

- BC
 
2014-08-20 10:26:46 AM  
And RyogaM beat me to the punch.  *shakes tiny fists of extreme impotence*
 
2014-08-20 10:26:48 AM  

WI241TH: Some atheists argue that there should be a library or cachet of religious material at the check-in desk of a hotel from which any guest could order a Bible, Torah or Koran for their reading pleasure. No favoritism would be shown through such a system, and those who reject the idea of God would not have to be offended.
This is like saying there shouldn't be certain brands of bottled water in hotel rooms because there may be guests who prefer a different type of water or are offended by bottled water and think everybody should be drinking tap water. The logical answer to such absurdity would, of course, be that the offended individual could bring his own water or simply ignore the brand of water he does not care for.

I'm not sure I've ever seen someone misinterpret their own analogy before.


i1.ytimg.com
 
2014-08-20 10:26:57 AM  
You know, religion must be terrible if atheism is a religion.  You should stay away from all religions, just to be safe.
 
2014-08-20 10:26:59 AM  
atheism is not a unifying belief. it is not a belief in any way shape or form. it is a lack of belief.
 
2014-08-20 10:27:08 AM  

Almost Everybody Poops: "atheism is actually a religion"

Dr. Ben Carson


Oh, fark, this was a Ben Carson article? I've never been so glad to not have RTFA.
 
2014-08-20 10:28:53 AM  

Lucky LaRue: amoral crusader: TFA says atheism is a religion - waste of time.

What else do you call a group of people who congregate together around a unifying belief?


A PAC, a party, a club, a class, a school, a protest, a militia?
 
2014-08-20 10:29:20 AM  
It's freedom of religion not freedom from religion. Also, atheism is a religion.
 
2014-08-20 10:29:23 AM  

Pants full of macaroni!!: And RyogaM beat me to the punch.  *shakes tiny fists of extreme impotence*


Image searches take too much time.  Be lazy, like me.

La-Z-Bo stores: the religion of the comfortable lazy
 
2014-08-20 10:29:41 AM  

RulerOfNone: I think I understand the sentiment, though


the sentiment is "let's see how much attention i can get"

i hope this helps
 
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