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(Orlando Sentinel)   Residents successfully oppose construction of mosque in their neighborhood because "praying and chanting five times a day would be a violation of the noise ordinance"   (orlandosentinel.com ) divider line
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2014-08-20 08:53:46 AM  
8 votes:
I've lived across the street from a mosque for about 5 years. Not once have I ever had a concern about noise - never hear a peep from them. What I do have, however, is lots of peaceful people going to and from their place of worship throughout the day which has a nice effect of having lots of eyes on the neighborhood to keep crime down in an area that has lots of burglaries elsewhere.
2014-08-20 09:13:10 AM  
7 votes:
This is about a 1/2 mile from my house (I live in Dr. Phillips).

Traffic from the new Trader Joe's, new restaurant/shopping/entertainment complex, etc. doesn't seem to bother them.  And don't even try to get in and out of this neighborhood during the Bay Hill Invitational.  And we're adding new housing subdivisions all the time.

But suddenly traffic and "charm" are a concern.  Yeah, right.

I will say this:  They quietly demolished a church to put up that new Trader Joe's.  So there is a bit of consistency to their lie that it's "not about a mosque."
2014-08-20 10:11:55 AM  
5 votes:

naughtyrev: I've lived across the street from a mosque for about 5 years. Not once have I ever had a concern about noise - never hear a peep from them. What I do have, however, is lots of peaceful people going to and from their place of worship throughout the day which has a nice effect of having lots of eyes on the neighborhood to keep crime down in an area that has lots of burglaries elsewhere.


i've spent 3 months in saudi arabia and 3 months in iraq
granted, the prayer call towers (whatever they're called, i haven't a clue) weren't as close as across the street, but i could indeed hear them quite well most of the time...it never bothered me. it was a little bit strange, not being muslim, not living in an area with a mosque, etc, but no different to me than growing up in a small strongly-christian southern town with various church bells ringing quite loudly multiple times per day

yes...yes i know this isn't about the mosque and the calls to prayer. it's about folks not understanding, nor wanting to understand, the muslim religion nor its followers
2014-08-20 08:48:13 AM  
5 votes:
Church bells @ 0700 blow.

Prayers @ 0530 are a farking nightmare.
2014-08-20 10:15:17 AM  
4 votes:
"For whatever reason, religious organizations buy property that is residential in nature and ask for a variance," Brummer said. "It's a real problem."

That is the real crux of the issue summed up at the end of the article. Just as they said no to a catholic church and a synagogue
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2014-08-20 10:05:55 AM  
4 votes:
naughtyrev

When I was in college a gaming group got some heat from the administration because weird people were in classrooms after hours. The group got support from campus police bceause those weird people were harmless and they kept an eye out for people who would make trouble. In the end, the gaming group got official permission to be there.
2014-08-20 10:19:24 AM  
3 votes:
Around here in NC the problem isn't mosques, but Christian churches that broadcast their services over loudspeakers outside of the building. There have been several lawsuits aimed at them to cut down the noise, and every single time the churches claim it is part of their belief system to distribute the sermons to the broadest possible audience, and so far the courts have refused to stop them from doing it. Their neighbors are justifiably upset; some of the subdivisions around these churches were there first, others came in afterwards, but every time the courts rule on the church's side and they keep blaring their sermons outside the buildings.

/thankful that one of those isn't nearby my house
//my wife would probably be in jail by now if they were
2014-08-20 08:32:11 AM  
3 votes:
Sounds legit.
2014-08-20 11:46:26 AM  
2 votes:

mschwenk: liam76: Bendal: There have been several lawsuits aimed at them to cut down the noise, and every single time the churches claim it is part of their belief system to distribute the sermons to the broadest possible audience, and so far the courts have refused to stop them from doing it.

If I won the lottery I would move there just to blast death metal at the same volume whenever they tried to do anything quiet.

Good suggestion for the neighborhood. If they have the right to broadcast service at 7 am you have the right to broadcast music at them.

Might I suggest directional speakers similar to LRAD? Definately something you can build.


I just pull my PA out of the basement and aim the speakers at the offending AME Zion "Temple" megachurch that's a few hundred yards away from my house when they have their ridiculously loud outdoor events in the summer.  I prefer to program heavily from my Zappa collection.

They are shiatty neighbors, but all the lying, parking in people's private driveways, violations of land use rules, etc. are all good, because they are doing the Lord's Work.

Fark you.  You guys are just the Worst.
2014-08-20 11:07:59 AM  
2 votes:

CleanAndPure: I'd like to have prevented church going up in our residential zoned neighbourhood.

I've never seen anyone reside in a church... and traffic is awful.


Residential-only zoning is stupid. Neighborhoods should include schools, churches and light commercial (corner markets, dry cleaners, etc.). Otherwise, you're forced into a car to do anything that involves leaving the house.
2014-08-20 11:02:59 AM  
2 votes:

naughtyrev: I've lived across the street from a mosque for about 5 years. Not once have I ever had a concern about noise - never hear a peep from them. What I do have, however, is lots of peaceful people going to and from their place of worship throughout the day which has a nice effect of having lots of eyes on the neighborhood to keep crime down in an area that has lots of burglaries elsewhere.


This. The muezzin broadcasting from the mosque is not a mandatory part of having a mosque. In Muslim countries, they do that PA-amplified call to prayer because everybody around is a Muslim, and they use it as a way to mark what time prayers are scheduled. In multicultural places, people have wristwatches and the Internet to keep track of that.
2014-08-20 10:34:35 AM  
2 votes:

kindms: "For whatever reason, religious organizations buy property that is residential in nature and ask for a variance," Brummer said. "It's a real problem."

That is the real crux of the issue summed up at the end of the article. Just as they said no to a catholic church and a synagogue


Done in 40. That really is the issue not muslim persecution.
2014-08-20 10:28:17 AM  
2 votes:
From what I heard on local news, the church wanted a zoning exception in order to build in an area that is zoned residential, and the exception was denied. Things like that happen all the time, often due to the concerns of the residents in the area who would be affected.

Anyone who wants to build anything has to find land that is zoned appropriately, or find an area where there won't be objection to the granting of an exception. This doesn't seem to be a big deal to me.
2014-08-20 10:26:32 AM  
2 votes:

bungle_jr: naughtyrev: I've lived across the street from a mosque for about 5 years. Not once have I ever had a concern about noise - never hear a peep from them. What I do have, however, is lots of peaceful people going to and from their place of worship throughout the day which has a nice effect of having lots of eyes on the neighborhood to keep crime down in an area that has lots of burglaries elsewhere.

i've spent 3 months in saudi arabia and 3 months in iraq
granted, the prayer call towers (whatever they're called, i haven't a clue) weren't as close as across the street, but i could indeed hear them quite well most of the time...it never bothered me. it was a little bit strange, not being muslim, not living in an area with a mosque, etc, but no different to me than growing up in a small strongly-christian southern town with various church bells ringing quite loudly multiple times per day

yes...yes i know this isn't about the mosque and the calls to prayer. it's about folks not understanding, nor wanting to understand, the muslim religion nor its followers


If you understood them you would know they start as early as 0530, I doubt any churches around you were rocking out their bells that early.

Also they are asking for a variance in the number of parking spaces a non residential building would normally have in that area.

But yeah, lets pretend any opposiiton is based in discrimination.
2014-08-20 10:18:39 AM  
2 votes:
You're tempted (as am I) to think it's about being Muslim, but these old people are serious as cancer about their noise ordinances.  When I visit my parents I spend some time reading the police blotter in the Boca Breeze to see what's going down.  It's mostly noise complaints regarding construction too early/late, yard work on a non yard work day (Sunday), power tool noise at unapproved times, and illegal RV/truck parking.

These people work their whole lives so they can save up enough money to move down to Florida and live out their golden years poking into each others' business and enforcing the rules.
2014-08-20 10:12:18 AM  
2 votes:

liam76: naughtyrev: I've lived across the street from a mosque for about 5 years. Not once have I ever had a concern about noise - never hear a peep from them. What I do have, however, is lots of peaceful people going to and from their place of worship throughout the day which has a nice effect of having lots of eyes on the neighborhood to keep crime down in an area that has lots of burglaries elsewhere.

I have never known a mosque not to broadcast Adhan. Must be very progressive, where is it?


We have a Mosque in my quiet little redneck mountain town in Maryland, that doesn't do the loudspeaker thing.  They're pretty quiet overall, most people don't know that we even have a mosque, and it's been here since 1983.
2014-08-20 10:03:18 AM  
2 votes:

naughtyrev: I've lived across the street from a mosque for about 5 years. Not once have I ever had a concern about noise - never hear a peep from them. What I do have, however, is lots of peaceful people going to and from their place of worship throughout the day which has a nice effect of having lots of eyes on the neighborhood to keep crime down in an area that has lots of burglaries elsewhere.


It's almost like the neighbors' protests weren't actually about the noise, huh?
2014-08-20 09:36:05 AM  
2 votes:
Here you go, guys.  This gives you a more specific idea of the location, dimensions, zoning, etc. etc.

     Up Against a Difficult Opposition:  Proposed Palm Lake mosque concerns neighbors

Very, very wealthy people in Bay Hill.  Definitely going to make it rough on the mosque proponents.
2014-08-20 09:32:47 AM  
2 votes:

liam76: Diogenes: This is about a 1/2 mile from my house (I live in Dr. Phillips).

The article was pretty sparse. Did they mention in local coverage if the mosque would or would nto be allwoed to broadcast the call to prayers?


From my reading (local community papers, etc.) it will.  It's supposed to be fully operational, for lack of a better term.  Description of the architecture sounded interesting.  Hard to picture it, but it sounded rather modern.

I'll see if I can find an online copy.  It too, though, was rather sparse.  They're keeping some of the locals' more 'colorful' comments muted.
2014-08-20 09:21:00 AM  
2 votes:

Diogenes: This is about a 1/2 mile from my house (I live in Dr. Phillips).


The article was pretty sparse. Did they mention in local coverage if the mosque would or would nto be allwoed to broadcast the call to prayers?
2014-08-20 04:34:32 PM  
1 vote:

brimed03: MooseBayou: Obama thinks the Muslim call to prayer is the most beautiful thing he's ever heard.

But then, this is what he starts with.
[i.imgur.com image 580x717]

Like I said in 1.another Ferguson thread, these threads are awesome for flushing out the trolls who try to be more subtle in other threads. Makes it easier to 2. -  add them to my Ignore list and thereby improve my Fark Experience (tm).


1. - This wasn't a Ferguson thread.

2. - I thought you did that already.  So add me, already.

You consistently engage posters, and never the subject matter at hand.  Very brave.  How's the view from up there?

I never "ignore" anybody, you Facebook baby.  Ignore me at the risk and detriment of your general enlightenment.

/derogatory term not in compliance with FARK filters or compliance rules
2014-08-20 02:39:17 PM  
1 vote:
So, I went ahead and looked up "call to prayer in american mosques" to see if this is a widerspread issue than I give it credit.

The book Islam in America states that most American mosques give the adhan within the hall rather than broadcasting it.

I found 2 links to articles on the Creeping Sharia wordpress site referencing mosques in Brooklyn and Baltimore, but couldn't get more detail because my work internet filter lists it as a hate speech site, but it appears to be 2 mosques in Brooklyn and 1 in Baltimore.

And that's it in 10 pages of google results.  So, between the mosques in Michigan and these others we've probably got fewer than 10 mosques out of roughly 2100.

Clearly, this is a very serious issue worthy of our immediate attention.
2014-08-20 02:31:51 PM  
1 vote:

flondrix: ZAZ: In Massachusetts the city would have to negotiate, not dictate, because religious and educational buildings are exempt from zoning. I think it's a good policy. In practice, we don't have Southern-style 10,000 seat megachurches on a 2 acre lot in the middle of a subdivision.  The churchgoers are locals too and they don't want to wreck the neighborhood.

Yet.

Massachusetts may have got religion out of its system a long time ago, but the rest of the country is slowly leaking in.  If religion ever returns to Massachusetts in a big way, you will regret those exemptions.  Just ask the folks in Belmont about the Mormon temple.


Yeah, not more than a mile from this proposed mosque location is this enormous Mormon temple on a 2 acre lot in the middle of a subdivision.  We have friends that live in eyeshot.

sworlandoblog.com
mormontemples.net
2014-08-20 02:25:05 PM  
1 vote:

ZAZ: In Massachusetts the city would have to negotiate, not dictate, because religious and educational buildings are exempt from zoning. I think it's a good policy. In practice, we don't have Southern-style 10,000 seat megachurches on a 2 acre lot in the middle of a subdivision.  The churchgoers are locals too and they don't want to wreck the neighborhood.


Yet.

Massachusetts may have got religion out of its system a long time ago, but the rest of the country is slowly leaking in.  If religion ever returns to Massachusetts in a big way, you will regret those exemptions.  Just ask the folks in Belmont about the Mormon temple.
2014-08-20 01:58:13 PM  
1 vote:

LazyMedia: Are you merely overly credulous, or actually mentally deficient?


Lazy and dishonest.  It's how I have him farkied.
2014-08-20 01:53:13 PM  
1 vote:

karnal: Several months ago every single Democrat in Florida voted to force Sharia Law on the people of Florida.  Democrats voted to force this on American citizens. If they had the necessary numbers in the Florida legislature, Sharia Law would be used in Florida courts.

Remember that when it is time to vote.


Let me adjust my tin foil hat first.

Frankly, I'd be more worried about the major part of SCOTUS following Canon Law. As Republican appointees, remembering that when it's time to vote may not be something you'd want to promote.

And Florida, and so Texas, was once part of Spain, there is the legacy of a religious test for citizenship, marriage, inheritance. From the same people who brought you Canon Law, the Inquisition, and Teresa Jacobs, a nice Catholic girl. (says the link at about 4:12 pm in the live blog of the meeting.)

At least they kept a kind of marriage and inheritance religious test for to torture teh gheys. Nice touch.  Florida just sent us their hanging chad lawyer to keep Rick Perry from frying. So there's that.
2014-08-20 01:51:18 PM  
1 vote:

karnal: Diogenes: karnal: Diogenes: karnal: Clemkadidlefark: Islam is not a religion. It is a violent theocracy.

Like Democrats

Progressive Liberal Democrats and Muslims believe in very similar Ideology

Lulz.  The projection is blinding.

Here's a little blinding light for you:

Several months ago every single Democrat in Florida voted to force Sharia Law on the people of Florida.  Democrats voted to force this on American citizens. If they had the necessary numbers in the Florida legislature, Sharia Law would be used in Florida courts.

Remember that when it is time to vote.

And what precisely are you referring to?  Care to provide a source?

I suspect you're just being dishonest to the core, once again.  At least you're consistent.  Consistently wrong and worthless.

Source


Way to back up your idiocy with a source AFTER two posters have already pointed out that your source was thorougly debunked. Or do you really think that "allowing judges to refer to non-U.S. legal doctrines in civil-court rulings if those apply to the case AND DO NOT CONTRADICT U.S. POLICY" = "imposing Sharia law on women"? Let me break that down more simply: Are you merely overly credulous, or actually mentally deficient?
2014-08-20 01:44:26 PM  
1 vote:

karnal: Diogenes: karnal: Source


WesternJournalism.com
WesternJournalism.com is a blogging platform built for conservative, libertarian, free market and pro-family writers and broadcasters by the Western Center for Journalism (WCJ).

Uh huh.

Back on ignore you go.  You're just wasting my time.

Oh brave Sir Robin.


Puhlease.  Give us something worthy of our time and effort.

No skin off my nose if you choose to believe my boredom is actually fear.  It certainly wouldn't be the first delusion you've suffered under.  Whatever gets you through the day, sport!
2014-08-20 01:33:53 PM  
1 vote:

liam76: Complete bigotry, just like acknowledging the muslims call to prayers are often accompanied by loudspeakers.


Then why is it you can produce only one article describing the use of loudspeakers in a mosque in the US?  There are a handful in Michigan that do this, yet nearly no other mosque in the country does.  I would think, given the way the right wing amplifies even the smallest expression of Islam into a national danger that if this were a widespread or growing  phenomenon that there would be no shortage of articles, even from biased sources.
2014-08-20 01:27:46 PM  
1 vote:

karnal: zOMG it's the Scary Mooselimbs!


The only people pushing Shari'a law on anyone in the US are the Barefoot and Pregnant Brigade in the Republican Party.

/AKA the Kinder, Küche, Kirche Korps
2014-08-20 01:20:56 PM  
1 vote:

karnal: Source



WesternJournalism.com
WesternJournalism.com is a blogging platform built for conservative, libertarian, free market and pro-family writers and broadcasters by the Western Center for Journalism (WCJ).

Uh huh.

Back on ignore you go.  You're just wasting my time.
2014-08-20 01:16:01 PM  
1 vote:

Pants full of macaroni!!: karnal: Several months ago every single Democrat in Florida voted to force Sharia Law on the people of Florida. Democrats voted to force this on American citizens. If they had the necessary numbers in the Florida legislature, Sharia Law would be used in Florida courts.

Oh, this oughta be good.  *gets popcorn*

/btw, you forgot to leave "democrats" uncapitalized


He's referring to some nonsense that a particularly herptastic RWNJ blogger spread around this spring. Not surprisingly, it's a complete pack of lies.

/If you trust those well-known libtard Fartbongo worshippers at Politifact
2014-08-20 01:12:41 PM  
1 vote:

karnal: Several months ago every single Democrat in Florida voted to force Sharia Law on the people of Florida.


i260.photobucket.com
2014-08-20 01:11:10 PM  
1 vote:
I'm not waiting for karnal's typically lazy and dishonest spin.  Here y'all go:

'Florida Democrats just voted to impose Sharia law on women,' bloggers say

Summary:
static.politifact.com.s3.amazonaws.com
2014-08-20 01:07:55 PM  
1 vote:

karnal: Several months ago every single Democrat in Florida voted to force Sharia Law on the people of Florida. Democrats voted to force this on American citizens. If they had the necessary numbers in the Florida legislature, Sharia Law would be used in Florida courts.


Oh, this oughta be good.  *gets popcorn*

/btw, you forgot to leave "democrats" uncapitalized
2014-08-20 01:03:22 PM  
1 vote:

demaL-demaL-yeH: Diogenes: This is about a 1/2 mile from my house (I live in Dr. Phillips).

Traffic from the new Trader Joe's, new restaurant/shopping/entertainment complex, etc. doesn't seem to bother them.  And don't even try to get in and out of this neighborhood during the Bay Hill Invitational.  And we're adding new housing subdivisions all the time.

But suddenly traffic and "charm" are a concern.  Yeah, right.

I will say this:  They quietly demolished a church to put up that new Trader Joe's.  So there is a bit of consistency to their lie that it's "not about a mosque."

Now if you read TFA, you'll see that it's not about any specific religion: They're equally against all religions and consistently in favor of sales tax revenues.


I'm not arguing for or against it.  But what I will say it's that's a very convenient excuse and provides nice, legal cover for bigotry.

I'll have to look up what votes Teresa Jacobs took against these other churches.  And I don't get your sales tax part at all.  But it's true that she's a whore for whomever waives some money at her.  That woman is worthless.
2014-08-20 12:21:57 PM  
1 vote:

No Such Agency: When the first mosques were built, nobody had clocks let alone smart phones.  The call to prayer would be freaking important.  Nowadays if you can't find your own way to prayers on time, well you might be a pretty slack Muslim.


I wish I thought of the smartphone app for that...
2014-08-20 12:15:38 PM  
1 vote:
When the first mosques were built, nobody had clocks let alone smart phones.  The call to prayer would be freaking important.  Nowadays if you can't find your own way to prayers on time, well you might be a pretty slack Muslim.
2014-08-20 12:13:23 PM  
1 vote:

liam76: LazyMedia: They don't actually climb up in the minaret any more. That's just decoration. They're not Amish; they know about microphones and PA systems

I wasn't trying to imply they would climb up, just that they would have speakers there.


Most minarets in the US are mere architectural features, they are not used for broadcasting the Adhan.  It simply isn't done at the vast majority of US mosques.
2014-08-20 12:03:43 PM  
1 vote:

liam76: Headso: you're the only one claiming there's going to be a blaring call to prayer waking people up at 530, everyone else is citing traffic congestion like Muslims are actually going to be there enmasse 5 times a day 7 days a week because bigots can't fathom that Muslims in America are as devout as your typical Christian or Jew and will only be there once a week.

No, I am the one calling you out for not being able to see that the same zoning issues are faced by other houses of worship, and that there are differences between churches and mosques.

Stile4aly: That mosque in Michigan is the exception, not the rule.

Yeah, there were other mosques in the article that did and were called out.


Stile4aly: In most cases, the imam stands at the door and recites the Adhan. If you're 50 feet away, you can't hear it

If that was there plan I am sure they would be forthecoming wiht that bit of info to calm people down, absent that I woudln't want it in my neighborhood.

If a catholic church was coming and planning on building a bell tower (as this mosque had plane for aminaret) woudl you assume theyw oudl never rign the bells?


They don't actually climb up in the minaret any more. That's just decoration. They're not Amish; they know about microphones and PA systems.
2014-08-20 12:01:52 PM  
1 vote:

karnal: Diogenes: karnal: Clemkadidlefark: Islam is not a religion. It is a violent theocracy.

Like Democrats

Progressive Liberal Democrats and Muslims believe in very similar Ideology

Lulz.  The projection is blinding.

Here's a little blinding light for you:

Several months ago every single Democrat in Florida voted to force Sharia Law on the people of Florida.  Democrats voted to force this on American citizens. If they had the necessary numbers in the Florida legislature, Sharia Law would be used in Florida courts.

Remember that when it is time to vote.


Hurrah! It's somebody's angry uncle, in full-on email chain-letter rant mode! Sweet. Tell us some other things you "learned" from the Blaze, Gateway Pundit and Free Republic.
2014-08-20 11:55:51 AM  
1 vote:

Stile4aly: liam76: LazyMedia: In Muslim countries, they do that PA-amplified call to prayer because everybody around is a Muslim, and they use it as a way to mark what time prayers are scheduled. In multicultural places, people have wristwatches and the Internet to keep track of that

So people in Idnonesia and Egyp don't have watches, got it.

Is this place not multicultural?


brimed03: So another community of scared, misinformed white people outs itself? Hmph.

Another misinformed farker tripping overhismelf to call white people racist.

That mosque in Michigan is the exception, not the rule.  I was a practicing Muslim for nearly 30 years and had the opportunity to pray at numerous mosques.  I have yet to encounter one in the US that broadcasts its Adhan over a loudspeaker as is done in some Middle Eastern countries..  The one you reference in the article is literally the first one I've encountered.  In most cases, the imam stands at the door and recites the Adhan.  If you're 50 feet away, you can't hear it.


Like Dearborn, Hamtramck is basically a suburb of Baghdad, so that probably has something to do with it. The people who raised a big fuss about them broadcasting were mostly Free Republic readers from other states.
2014-08-20 11:55:18 AM  
1 vote:

karnal: Clemkadidlefark: Islam is not a religion. It is a violent theocracy.

Like Democrats

Progressive Liberal Democrats and Muslims believe in very similar Ideology


Oh lookee here.  It's tweedleherp and tweedlederp.

i818.photobucket.com
2014-08-20 11:49:02 AM  
1 vote:
Fark is always fascinating. If only the muslims had been christians, the entire nature of the posts would be reversed.
2014-08-20 11:48:02 AM  
1 vote:

liam76: LazyMedia: In Muslim countries, they do that PA-amplified call to prayer because everybody around is a Muslim, and they use it as a way to mark what time prayers are scheduled. In multicultural places, people have wristwatches and the Internet to keep track of that

So people in Idnonesia and Egyp don't have watches, got it.

Is this place not multicultural?


brimed03: So another community of scared, misinformed white people outs itself? Hmph.

Another misinformed farker tripping overhismelf to call white people racist.


That mosque in Michigan is the exception, not the rule.  I was a practicing Muslim for nearly 30 years and had the opportunity to pray at numerous mosques.  I have yet to encounter one in the US that broadcasts its Adhan over a loudspeaker as is done in some Middle Eastern countries..  The one you reference in the article is literally the first one I've encountered.  In most cases, the imam stands at the door and recites the Adhan.  If you're 50 feet away, you can't hear it.
2014-08-20 11:41:01 AM  
1 vote:

Tom_Slick: The traffic argument is a legitimate complaint against any proposed house of worship from any religion. I've seen huge churches built on 2 lane roads that absolutely choke traffic in the area 3 days a week.  (Wednesday Evenings, Saturdays and Sundays) When they city or county ask for money from the house of worship to improve the road, they always scream "Persecution" guess what, around here anyway, the county makes Wal Mart pay for traffic improvements your church needs to do the same.


That's just a matter of controlling how big the church building can be. You only get that with mega-churches. Also, having roads choked with traffic twice a day is normal in most of America anywhere near a major city.
2014-08-20 11:28:24 AM  
1 vote:

Sir Paul: Urban planner here, we just redid the zoning code and got rid of religious use and now everything is "meeting hall" or "social services." It actually makes things easier because your looking at the use, not the emblem on the wall (still have to deal w/ RLUIPA)


Know how I know you don't know what the community's problem with the mosque is?

They are opposed to any variance for any new construction other than residential. No social halls, churches, mosques.

They didn't want the trader joe's either.
2014-08-20 11:01:51 AM  
1 vote:

MooseBayou: Obama thinks the Muslim call to prayer is the most beautiful thing he's ever heard.

But then, this is what he starts with.
[i.imgur.com image 580x717]


Like I said in another Ferguson thread, these threads are awesome for flushing out the trolls who try to be more subtle in other threads. Makes it easier to add them to my Ignore list and thereby improve my Fark Experience (tm).
2014-08-20 10:57:43 AM  
1 vote:
It's not about them being Muslim. It's about them being brown in a white community.
2014-08-20 10:53:28 AM  
1 vote:
You can have a church with out bells, if you can have a Mosque without the ridiculous prayer call, then fine. If not then I see their point.

I am as progressive as they come but if a mosque was going in near me you can be sure I would not want that nonsense blaring over loudspeakers five times a day.
2014-08-20 10:52:34 AM  
1 vote:
HOAs might be the only groups that can successfully fight ISIS.
2014-08-20 10:47:39 AM  
1 vote:

liam76: Bendal: There have been several lawsuits aimed at them to cut down the noise, and every single time the churches claim it is part of their belief system to distribute the sermons to the broadest possible audience, and so far the courts have refused to stop them from doing it.

If I won the lottery I would move there just to blast death metal at the same volume whenever they tried to do anything quiet.


Good suggestion for the neighborhood. If they have the right to broadcast service at 7 am you have the right to broadcast music at them.

Might I suggest directional speakers similar to LRAD? Definately something you can build.
2014-08-20 10:44:36 AM  
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Urban planner here, we just redid the zoning code and got rid of religious use and now everything is "meeting hall" or "social services." It actually makes things easier because your looking at the use, not the emblem on the wall (still have to deal w/ RLUIPA)
2014-08-20 10:43:46 AM  
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In these cases, I think what is there first should have to be respected. Example is if a church wants to build in a residential area. Then the church needs to respect the residents of that area and their wishes when it comes to noise and traffic. And the same goes if the church is there and a neighborhood develops around it.

My church is dealing with this a lot. The church was built 50 years ago before any houses were even thought about being built. Now there is a huge neighborhood around it and there are people who constantly complain about the church and their activities. So in this case, the people moving into this neighborhood know there was a church there and knew it would get busy around their house and choose to move there anyways. So you have no say in this matter.

In this case, since the houses are there before the mosque. The mosque should respect the concerns of the community. If that means not having the call to prayer, then the mosque will have to deal with that. If that also means having to figure out ways to respect the traffic flow and make it easier for the people of the neighborhood to freely move about their community. It is on the mosque.
2014-08-20 10:34:12 AM  
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Diogenes: This is about a 1/2 mile from my house (I live in Dr. Phillips).

Traffic from the new Trader Joe's, new restaurant/shopping/entertainment complex, etc. doesn't seem to bother them.  And don't even try to get in and out of this neighborhood during the Bay Hill Invitational.  And we're adding new housing subdivisions all the time.

But suddenly traffic and "charm" are a concern.  Yeah, right.

I will say this:  They quietly demolished a church to put up that new Trader Joe's.  So there is a bit of consistency to their lie that it's "not about a mosque."


I wish they'd replace a church near me with a Trader Joe's.

\was all set to trigger my "outrage" switch, 'til I read TFA, and saw that one of the board members had previously voted against building a synagogue and a Catholic church
2014-08-20 10:23:27 AM  
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kindms: "For whatever reason, religious organizations buy property that is residential in nature and ask for a variance," Brummer said. "It's a real problem."

That is the real crux of the issue summed up at the end of the article. Just as they said no to a catholic church and a synagogue


Not sensational enough. You have to bury that deep in the article. That way, people can be outraged long before they get to that section and stop reading. See also redactions.
2014-08-20 10:21:06 AM  
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liam76: I have never known a mosque not to broadcast Adhan. Must be very progressive, where is it?


The one a couple blocks from my house doesn't broadcast either, but the traffic is terrible. Problem one is the intersection design. The basic traffic has outgrown what was adequate for years. The second part are The Jihadi Mothers. These are women who, I suspect, are primarily recent immigrants. The all drive minivans. They all think it is perfectly OK to stop in the traffic lanes to pick up and discharge passengers. Lanes are a somewhat challenging concept to them too. And many of them drive v-e-r-y-s-l-o-w-l-y.

It makes me want to ululate.
2014-08-20 10:09:22 AM  
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should probably pass laws to make religious institutions to pay taxes on their income while they're at it.  Way too much potential abuse for tax evasion.  Could bring criminal elements to your area.
2014-08-20 10:06:21 AM  
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I'd like to have prevented church going up in our residential zoned neighbourhood.

I've never seen anyone reside in a church... and traffic is awful.
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2014-08-20 10:03:44 AM  
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In Massachusetts the city would have to negotiate, not dictate, because religious and educational buildings are exempt from zoning. I think it's a good policy. In practice, we don't have Southern-style 10,000 seat megachurches on a 2 acre lot in the middle of a subdivision.  The churchgoers are locals too and they don't want to wreck the neighborhood.
2014-08-20 09:20:45 AM  
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liam76: naughtyrev: I've lived across the street from a mosque for about 5 years. Not once have I ever had a concern about noise - never hear a peep from them. What I do have, however, is lots of peaceful people going to and from their place of worship throughout the day which has a nice effect of having lots of eyes on the neighborhood to keep crime down in an area that has lots of burglaries elsewhere.

I have never known a mosque not to broadcast Adhan. Must be very progressive, where is it?


Chicago, in a quasi-residential area.
2014-08-20 09:19:11 AM  
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naughtyrev: I've lived across the street from a mosque for about 5 years. Not once have I ever had a concern about noise - never hear a peep from them. What I do have, however, is lots of peaceful people going to and from their place of worship throughout the day which has a nice effect of having lots of eyes on the neighborhood to keep crime down in an area that has lots of burglaries elsewhere.


I have never known a mosque not to broadcast Adhan. Must be very progressive, where is it?
 
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