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2014-08-20 02:25:05 PM

ZAZ: In Massachusetts the city would have to negotiate, not dictate, because religious and educational buildings are exempt from zoning. I think it's a good policy. In practice, we don't have Southern-style 10,000 seat megachurches on a 2 acre lot in the middle of a subdivision.  The churchgoers are locals too and they don't want to wreck the neighborhood.


Yet.

Massachusetts may have got religion out of its system a long time ago, but the rest of the country is slowly leaking in.  If religion ever returns to Massachusetts in a big way, you will regret those exemptions.  Just ask the folks in Belmont about the Mormon temple.
 
2014-08-20 02:26:21 PM

liam76: Stile4aly: Then why is it you can produce only one article describing the use of loudspeakers in a mosque in the US?

Well I produced an article about it, and you then lied and pretended it was talking about only one mosque despite it clearly calling out how it was common is some parts of detroit and dearborn.


I skimmed the article the first time I read it.  One sentence does mention that the practice happens in other mosques in Detroit and Dearborn, where there are large Muslim populations.  There is no mention of it happening in any other mosque in the country.

Stile4aly: There are a handful in Michigan that do this, yet nearly no other mosque in the country does.

Based on the guy who lied saying it was one after he read that mentione more than one.

Based on the guy who claims Mo wasn't a warlord.

And in case you aren't getting the theme here.
Based on a guy who has made it clear he has no credability on the issue.


Tu quoque

I have heard it at Mosque in my neck of the woods, but that was only on Holidays. I am not saying I know for a fact how common it is, or that they werre planning on it, but unless I had assurances they absolutely wouldn't be doing it, then ti woudl be another reason for me to be against this group building a mosque there.

They had a special event for a particularly holy occasion, like a church ringing bells on Christmas or Easter?  Heaven forfend!  And, let's face it, you don't need another reason to be against mosque building - your dislike of Muslims leaves you free to invent whatever reasons you wish.
 
2014-08-20 02:28:54 PM

kindms: yves0010: In these cases, I think what is there first should have to be respected. Example is if a church wants to build in a residential area. Then the church needs to respect the residents of that area and their wishes when it comes to noise and traffic. And the same goes if the church is there and a neighborhood develops around it.

My church is dealing with this a lot. The church was built 50 years ago before any houses were even thought about being built. Now there is a huge neighborhood around it and there are people who constantly complain about the church and their activities. So in this case, the people moving into this neighborhood know there was a church there and knew it would get busy around their house and choose to move there anyways. So you have no say in this matter.

In this case, since the houses are there before the mosque. The mosque should respect the concerns of the community. If that means not having the call to prayer, then the mosque will have to deal with that. If that also means having to figure out ways to respect the traffic flow and make it easier for the people of the neighborhood to freely move about their community. It is on the mosque.

start paying property taxes and then get back to us.


LOL. Indeed. So not only do they buy residential and ask for variances they don't even pay dues to the community. No wonder zoning boards take a dim view.
 
2014-08-20 02:31:51 PM

flondrix: ZAZ: In Massachusetts the city would have to negotiate, not dictate, because religious and educational buildings are exempt from zoning. I think it's a good policy. In practice, we don't have Southern-style 10,000 seat megachurches on a 2 acre lot in the middle of a subdivision.  The churchgoers are locals too and they don't want to wreck the neighborhood.

Yet.

Massachusetts may have got religion out of its system a long time ago, but the rest of the country is slowly leaking in.  If religion ever returns to Massachusetts in a big way, you will regret those exemptions.  Just ask the folks in Belmont about the Mormon temple.


Yeah, not more than a mile from this proposed mosque location is this enormous Mormon temple on a 2 acre lot in the middle of a subdivision.  We have friends that live in eyeshot.

sworlandoblog.com
mormontemples.net
 
2014-08-20 02:36:12 PM

Diogenes: flondrix: ZAZ: In Massachusetts the city would have to negotiate, not dictate, because religious and educational buildings are exempt from zoning. I think it's a good policy. In practice, we don't have Southern-style 10,000 seat megachurches on a 2 acre lot in the middle of a subdivision.  The churchgoers are locals too and they don't want to wreck the neighborhood.

Yet.

Massachusetts may have got religion out of its system a long time ago, but the rest of the country is slowly leaking in.  If religion ever returns to Massachusetts in a big way, you will regret those exemptions.  Just ask the folks in Belmont about the Mormon temple.

Yeah, not more than a mile from this proposed mosque location is this enormous Mormon temple on a 2 acre lot in the middle of a subdivision.  We have friends that live in eyeshot.

[sworlandoblog.com image 731x1024]
[mormontemples.net image 733x437]


Their Freudian slip is showing.
 
2014-08-20 02:39:17 PM
So, I went ahead and looked up "call to prayer in american mosques" to see if this is a widerspread issue than I give it credit.

The book Islam in America states that most American mosques give the adhan within the hall rather than broadcasting it.

I found 2 links to articles on the Creeping Sharia wordpress site referencing mosques in Brooklyn and Baltimore, but couldn't get more detail because my work internet filter lists it as a hate speech site, but it appears to be 2 mosques in Brooklyn and 1 in Baltimore.

And that's it in 10 pages of google results.  So, between the mosques in Michigan and these others we've probably got fewer than 10 mosques out of roughly 2100.

Clearly, this is a very serious issue worthy of our immediate attention.
 
2014-08-20 02:44:01 PM
No matter what folks may say, there has been an escalating bias against the Muslim Religion and Mosques ever since the shiat-storm started in the 70's by Saudi Arabia and OPEC.

This has been further reinforced by global terrorist tactics and the fact that the Muslim Terrorists have no problem killing off hundreds of their own people if they don't 'believe' just right. Reminds me a bit of the IRA.

As a kid, I used to hear the church bells of a local Catholic Church ringing during the week and on Sundays. They were so distant that they didn't bug me -- but I'm quite sure the folks living within several blocks of the place were real pleased.

I'm not a fan of those big bells clanging on.

Another church on Sunday would broadcast the sound of bells from its' 'bell tower'. Presbyterian I think and it was situated in a fairly well off community. I think in later years, this disturbed the local golfers who were playing on the nearby course -- not to mention the other residents.

Through the 1950s and 60s, the city used to fire off the central fire siren to mark noon time. I lived miles away and could hear it. I think it was an old air raid siren left over from WW2.

Sometime in the late 70s it was silenced.

Many Mosques have the Call To Prayer broadcast 5 times a day. I don't know if the one in question will do this, but what was quaint and exotic 45 years ago has now become annoying, especially if it happens to be down the street from you. It also tends to trigger thoughts about what has now become a lethally violent religion in the publics minds.

We used to have an evangelistic church where they practiced the 'World On Fire' version of Christianity -- loudly. It took them 30 years of ranting and raving before they were able to move out of their ranch-like place of worship and build this huge cathedral, several stories tall, in the growing business district west of town.

Christian evangelists and I do not get along. The waving of hands, the loud preaching about hell and damnation and the often distorted views of the Bible tend to irritate me.

We have one Jewish Temple, which is one of the quietest of all. The only problem there is land constraints. When built, the Jewish community was very small, but has grown so on Holy Days, traffic can get rather intense going in and out of the place. During Christmas, they even place wreaths on the gate posts, not necessarily to honor the holiday, but to show respect for the larger Christian community.

Mine is a small town, which has grown over the years into a medium sized, crowded place. The local newspaper publishes a list of places of worship for those who choose to attend.

I was a tad surprised some years ago to discover that the list had grown from about 10 to over 150. I thought that ironic, considering we seemed to have an unusually large religious community, yet some of the most crooked and slimy businesses and city leaders in the State.

There's a Universal Church at the end of my street, blocks away. It's small and quiet -- but you kind of need to know Spanish to get along with most of the members. The minister lives in a small, nicely kept home on the grounds -- but his chickens get loose now and then and run around the yard.

Personally, while Christian, I hold to no set church or sect, but I wouldn't particularly want a House of Worship built too close to me.

BTW, years ago my city forced the late night freight trains passing through town to reduce the volume and length of their horns when approaching crossings. It seems the noise disturbed the residential areas which had grown up around the rail road over the years.
 
2014-08-20 02:50:45 PM

Stile4aly: So, I went ahead and looked up "call to prayer in american mosques" to see if this is a widerspread issue than I give it credit.

The book Islam in America states that most American mosques give the adhan within the hall rather than broadcasting it.

I found 2 links to articles on the Creeping Sharia wordpress site referencing mosques in Brooklyn and Baltimore, but couldn't get more detail because my work internet filter lists it as a hate speech site, but it appears to be 2 mosques in Brooklyn and 1 in Baltimore.

And that's it in 10 pages of google results.  So, between the mosques in Michigan and these others we've probably got fewer than 10 mosques out of roughly 2100.

Clearly, this is a very serious issue worthy of our immediate attention.


to be fair, the bigots fighting against this mosque being built didn't suggest that was even a problem that was just some concern made up out of thin air by someone posting here.
 
2014-08-20 02:59:32 PM

karnal: Diogenes: karnal: Clemkadidlefark: Islam is not a religion. It is a violent theocracy.

Like Democrats

Progressive Liberal Democrats and Muslims believe in very similar Ideology

Lulz.  The projection is blinding.

Here's a little blinding light for you:

Several months ago every single Democrat in Florida voted to force Sharia Law on the people of Florida.  Democrats voted to force this on American citizens. If they had the necessary numbers in the Florida legislature, Sharia Law would be used in Florida courts.

Remember that when it is time to vote.


You're a farking idiot.
 
2014-08-20 03:53:20 PM

karnal: Diogenes: I'm not waiting for karnal's typically lazy and dishonest spin.  Here y'all go:

'Florida Democrats just voted to impose Sharia law on women,' bloggers say

Summary:
[static.politifact.com.s3.amazonaws.com image 120x107]

Florida Democrats are so stupid they simply voted their party line.....The bill is now in the Florida House of Representatives as HB 903, and is listed as "pending."


You wanna know how I know you didn't bother to read the law you're referring to?

IANAL but as far as I can tell this specifically states that if you're in FL, then FL law applies not foreign law. So if you got married in a country that prohibits divorce but happened to be in FL you could get divorced. It seems like a do-nothing clarification law since that's the way literally everybody, who isn't stupid, already determined that laws work.

I don't see how this could be construed to enforce Sharia law.
 
2014-08-20 03:53:57 PM
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2014-08-20 03:58:18 PM
I used to live in a town that set off the fire siren every day at noon and 6.
Didn't make any difference that everyone nowadays had access to the proper time.

/I don't know anyone who's a fan of unnecessary noise
 
2014-08-20 04:30:40 PM

naughtyrev: I've lived across the street from a mosque for about 5 years. Not once have I ever had a concern about noise - never hear a peep from them. What I do have, however, is lots of peaceful people going to and from their place of worship throughout the day which has a nice effect of having lots of eyes on the neighborhood to keep crime down in an area that has lots of burglaries elsewhere.


Sounds rather like Heaven on Earth.
 
2014-08-20 04:34:32 PM

brimed03: MooseBayou: Obama thinks the Muslim call to prayer is the most beautiful thing he's ever heard.

But then, this is what he starts with.
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Like I said in 1.another Ferguson thread, these threads are awesome for flushing out the trolls who try to be more subtle in other threads. Makes it easier to 2. -  add them to my Ignore list and thereby improve my Fark Experience (tm).


1. - This wasn't a Ferguson thread.

2. - I thought you did that already.  So add me, already.

You consistently engage posters, and never the subject matter at hand.  Very brave.  How's the view from up there?

I never "ignore" anybody, you Facebook baby.  Ignore me at the risk and detriment of your general enlightenment.

/derogatory term not in compliance with FARK filters or compliance rules
 
2014-08-20 04:49:04 PM

rwdavis: karnal: Diogenes: I'm not waiting for karnal's typically lazy and dishonest spin.  Here y'all go:

'Florida Democrats just voted to impose Sharia law on women,' bloggers say

Summary:
[static.politifact.com.s3.amazonaws.com image 120x107]

Florida Democrats are so stupid they simply voted their party line.....The bill is now in the Florida House of Representatives as HB 903, and is listed as "pending."

You wanna know how I know you didn't bother to read the law you're referring to?

IANAL but as far as I can tell this specifically states that if you're in FL, then FL law applies not foreign law. So if you got married in a country that prohibits divorce but happened to be in FL you could get divorced. It seems like a do-nothing clarification law since that's the way literally everybody, who isn't stupid, already determined that laws work.

I don't see how this could be construed to enforce Sharia law.


You're not hitting your head with the cinderblock hard enough, silly.
 
2014-08-20 04:56:08 PM

karnal: Diogenes: karnal: Diogenes: karnal: Clemkadidlefark: Islam is not a religion. It is a violent theocracy.

Like Democrats

Progressive Liberal Democrats and Muslims believe in very similar Ideology

Lulz.  The projection is blinding.

Here's a little blinding light for you:

Several months ago every single Democrat in Florida voted to force Sharia Law on the people of Florida.  Democrats voted to force this on American citizens. If they had the necessary numbers in the Florida legislature, Sharia Law would be used in Florida courts.

Remember that when it is time to vote.

And what precisely are you referring to?  Care to provide a source?

I suspect you're just being dishonest to the core, once again.  At least you're consistent.  Consistently wrong and worthless.

Source


You're a farking dishonest bigot.

That vote was on a conservative republican sponsored bill to forbid the reference to ANY foreign law by Florida judges to settle marriage and custody cases ONLY, and ONLY in cases where the jurisdiction is split between the US and another country.

All Dems vote no.

All Thugs vote yes.

Thug press turns it into "OMG Dems Vote For Sharia Law!"

I won't even pretend to understand what the original ulterior motive of the original bill was, but I wouldn't be surprised if the entire thing was a stunt so that this accusation could be made.

Dems aren't angels, I have a list of grievances against them too, but the GOP is controlled by lying, scheming bigoted fraudulent kleptomaniac assholes who have no intention of governing for anyone except themselves and their xenophobic paymasters, and certainly don't practice anything even close to Democracy, direct or representative.

And you prove it over and over again with stunts and lies like this one.

Your lie is outed, naked and shivering and you're still claiming it's true.  Go the fark away.
 
2014-08-20 05:18:40 PM
karnal: Several months ago every single Democrat in Florida voted to force Sharia Law on the people of Florida.

I'm a Democrat in Florida, therefore I voted for Sharia law several months ago.

Last election we had here that I could vote in was in November 2012, but I could have been zombified and forced to vote on this sometime between then and now because -- hey -- shiat like that happens all the time. It is Florida.

OTOH, under Sharia law, I would be able to stone you as a blasphemer. I'm OK with that. Bring on the ballot.
 
2014-08-20 05:28:39 PM

Stile4aly: I skimmed the article the first time I read it. One sentence does mention that the practice happens in other mosques in Detroit and Dearborn, where there are large Muslim populations.


And you dishonestly said it was only one mosque.


Stile4aly: Tu quoque


You claimed to be an expert based on your experience. When in fact you have a record of not only not knowing what you are talking about this subject (Mo not a warlord, this isn't done in America), after proof it is done in America in more than one place you lie about it.

Stile4aly: They had a special event for a particularly holy occasion, like a church ringing bells on Christmas or Easter? Heaven forfend!


No, idea. I just mention that it was during a holiday because I didn't want to be like you and lie to support my argument.

And for the record this place has no houses near it, so Ackbur on. Anyone whining when they are driving is an asshat.

Stile4aly: And, let's face it, you don't need another reason to be against mosque building - your dislike of Muslims leaves you free to invent whatever reasons you wish


Your inability to have an adult conversation about Muslims doesn't mean I am against mosque building.
 
2014-08-20 05:30:43 PM

rwdavis: karnal: Diogenes: I'm not waiting for karnal's typically lazy and dishonest spin.  Here y'all go:

'Florida Democrats just voted to impose Sharia law on women,' bloggers say

Summary:
[static.politifact.com.s3.amazonaws.com image 120x107]

Florida Democrats are so stupid they simply voted their party line.....The bill is now in the Florida House of Representatives as HB 903, and is listed as "pending."

You wanna know how I know you didn't bother to read the law you're referring to?

IANAL but as far as I can tell this specifically states that if you're in FL, then FL law applies not foreign law. So if you got married in a country that prohibits divorce but happened to be in FL you could get divorced. It seems like a do-nothing clarification law since that's the way literally everybody, who isn't stupid, already determined that laws work.

I don't see how this could be construed to enforce Sharia law.


It doesn't even do that. At most it codifies current case law. And specifically allows for the use of sharia law as it is currently used.
 
2014-08-20 05:50:00 PM

liam76: Stile4aly: I skimmed the article the first time I read it. One sentence does mention that the practice happens in other mosques in Detroit and Dearborn, where there are large Muslim populations.

And you dishonestly said it was only one mosque.


Making an error and lying are two different things.

Stile4aly: Tu quoque

You claimed to be an expert based on your experience. When in fact you have a record of not only not knowing what you are talking about this subject (Mo not a warlord, this isn't done in America), after proof it is done in America in more than one place you lie about it.


Actually, no.  I went ahead and did some basic research on the topic and could only find perhaps 10 mosques in the US that are known to broadcast their Adhan.  All you've done is insinuate that the existence of one news article means that it's a widespread problem.
 
2014-08-20 06:14:33 PM

liam76: Mo not a warlord


You really seem hung up about this.  I'm left wondering where we argued about it because it really seems to have stuck in your craw.
 
2014-08-20 08:50:50 PM

Bendal: Around here in NC the problem isn't mosques, but Christian churches that broadcast their services over loudspeakers outside of the building. There have been several lawsuits aimed at them to cut down the noise, and every single time the churches claim it is part of their belief system to distribute the sermons to the broadest possible audience, and so far the courts have refused to stop them from doing it. Their neighbors are justifiably upset; some of the subdivisions around these churches were there first, others came in afterwards, but every time the courts rule on the church's side and they keep blaring their sermons outside the buildings.

/thankful that one of those isn't nearby my house
//my wife would probably be in jail by now if they were


Challenge accepted. Start with pink noise through P.A. horns pointing straight at the church's speakers, then set up a feedback loop - point a directional microphone at their speakers, put it through a delay loop of say, half a second, and mix that with the pink noise.

Either that or fire up some death metal.

/ Sure, it'll annoy the neighbors
// but they're already annoyed, whaddya got to lose?
 
2014-08-20 09:03:07 PM

Diogenes: flondrix: ZAZ: In Massachusetts the city would have to negotiate, not dictate, because religious and educational buildings are exempt from zoning. I think it's a good policy. In practice, we don't have Southern-style 10,000 seat megachurches on a 2 acre lot in the middle of a subdivision.  The churchgoers are locals too and they don't want to wreck the neighborhood.

Yet.

Massachusetts may have got religion out of its system a long time ago, but the rest of the country is slowly leaking in.  If religion ever returns to Massachusetts in a big way, you will regret those exemptions.  Just ask the folks in Belmont about the Mormon temple.

Yeah, not more than a mile from this proposed mosque location is this enormous Mormon temple on a 2 acre lot in the middle of a subdivision.  We have friends that live in eyeshot.

[sworlandoblog.com image 731x1024]
[mormontemples.net image 733x437]


Does anyone use those spires for target practice?
 
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