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(Orlando Sentinel)   Residents successfully oppose construction of mosque in their neighborhood because "praying and chanting five times a day would be a violation of the noise ordinance"   (orlandosentinel.com) divider line 170
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2014-08-20 10:43:46 AM  
In these cases, I think what is there first should have to be respected. Example is if a church wants to build in a residential area. Then the church needs to respect the residents of that area and their wishes when it comes to noise and traffic. And the same goes if the church is there and a neighborhood develops around it.

My church is dealing with this a lot. The church was built 50 years ago before any houses were even thought about being built. Now there is a huge neighborhood around it and there are people who constantly complain about the church and their activities. So in this case, the people moving into this neighborhood know there was a church there and knew it would get busy around their house and choose to move there anyways. So you have no say in this matter.

In this case, since the houses are there before the mosque. The mosque should respect the concerns of the community. If that means not having the call to prayer, then the mosque will have to deal with that. If that also means having to figure out ways to respect the traffic flow and make it easier for the people of the neighborhood to freely move about their community. It is on the mosque.
 
2014-08-20 10:44:36 AM  
Urban planner here, we just redid the zoning code and got rid of religious use and now everything is "meeting hall" or "social services." It actually makes things easier because your looking at the use, not the emblem on the wall (still have to deal w/ RLUIPA)
 
2014-08-20 10:44:38 AM  
Go be muslin somewhere else!
 
2014-08-20 10:45:46 AM  
I grew up about 5 miles from where the mosque was to be built. The problem for the Muslims is simple this. When Disney came to town the area of Sand Lake Rd and Apopke Vineland intersection didn't have a 4 way stop sign, now it is Orlando's version of Rodeo Dr. LOL what a hoot.

Yep my hometown.... complete and total clusterfark now.
 
2014-08-20 10:47:39 AM  

liam76: Bendal: There have been several lawsuits aimed at them to cut down the noise, and every single time the churches claim it is part of their belief system to distribute the sermons to the broadest possible audience, and so far the courts have refused to stop them from doing it.

If I won the lottery I would move there just to blast death metal at the same volume whenever they tried to do anything quiet.


Good suggestion for the neighborhood. If they have the right to broadcast service at 7 am you have the right to broadcast music at them.

Might I suggest directional speakers similar to LRAD? Definately something you can build.
 
2014-08-20 10:47:40 AM  

Diogenes: This is about a 1/2 mile from my house (I live in Dr. Phillips).

Traffic from the new Trader Joe's, new restaurant/shopping/entertainment complex, etc. doesn't seem to bother them.  And don't even try to get in and out of this neighborhood during the Bay Hill Invitational.  And we're adding new housing subdivisions all the time.

But suddenly traffic and "charm" are a concern.  Yeah, right.

I will say this:  They quietly demolished a church to put up that new Trader Joe's.  So there is a bit of consistency to their lie that it's "not about a mosque."


So where would this mosque be on a map?
 
2014-08-20 10:48:56 AM  

naughtyrev: I've lived across the street from a mosque for about 5 years. Not once have I ever had a concern about noise - never hear a peep from them. What I do have, however, is lots of peaceful people going to and from their place of worship throughout the day which has a nice effect of having lots of eyes on the neighborhood to keep crime down in an area that has lots of burglaries elsewhere.


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2014-08-20 10:49:38 AM  
The letter(s) of the law: fu
 
2014-08-20 10:52:34 AM  
HOAs might be the only groups that can successfully fight ISIS.
 
2014-08-20 10:53:28 AM  
You can have a church with out bells, if you can have a Mosque without the ridiculous prayer call, then fine. If not then I see their point.

I am as progressive as they come but if a mosque was going in near me you can be sure I would not want that nonsense blaring over loudspeakers five times a day.
 
2014-08-20 10:55:33 AM  
I think in fairness, we should ban the building of new churches, for any faith from now on out.  Would probably lead to people being less stupid and more moral in the long run.
 
2014-08-20 10:57:43 AM  
It's not about them being Muslim. It's about them being brown in a white community.
 
2014-08-20 10:57:53 AM  
Obama thinks the Muslim call to prayer is the most beautiful thing he's ever heard.

But then, this is what he starts with.
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2014-08-20 10:58:26 AM  
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/Why didn't the sheik stand up for himself? He was all in charge at the start. I'd grab a scimitar and ruin that camel's shiat.
 
2014-08-20 10:59:47 AM  

naughtyrev: I've lived across the street from a mosque for about 5 years. Not once have I ever had a concern about noise - never hear a peep from them. What I do have, however, is lots of peaceful people going to and from their place of worship throughout the day which has a nice effect of having lots of eyes on the neighborhood to keep crime down in an area that has lots of burglaries elsewhere.


My first week living in Baltimore, in my neighborhood cops shot to death a housebreaker who lunged at them with a screwdriver. This occurred directly opposite a church and school.

/and down the block from a funeral home. Very considerate all things told.
//oh Baltimore
///three slashies but don't shoot!
 
2014-08-20 11:00:43 AM  

liam76: naughtyrev: I've lived across the street from a mosque for about 5 years. Not once have I ever had a concern about noise - never hear a peep from them. What I do have, however, is lots of peaceful people going to and from their place of worship throughout the day which has a nice effect of having lots of eyes on the neighborhood to keep crime down in an area that has lots of burglaries elsewhere.

I have never known a mosque not to broadcast Adhan. Must be very progressive, where is it?


Mosques in Denmark don't do the whole muezzin call thing. I think it's the same in most of Europe.
 
2014-08-20 11:01:51 AM  

MooseBayou: Obama thinks the Muslim call to prayer is the most beautiful thing he's ever heard.

But then, this is what he starts with.
[i.imgur.com image 580x717]


Like I said in another Ferguson thread, these threads are awesome for flushing out the trolls who try to be more subtle in other threads. Makes it easier to add them to my Ignore list and thereby improve my Fark Experience (tm).
 
2014-08-20 11:02:59 AM  

naughtyrev: I've lived across the street from a mosque for about 5 years. Not once have I ever had a concern about noise - never hear a peep from them. What I do have, however, is lots of peaceful people going to and from their place of worship throughout the day which has a nice effect of having lots of eyes on the neighborhood to keep crime down in an area that has lots of burglaries elsewhere.


This. The muezzin broadcasting from the mosque is not a mandatory part of having a mosque. In Muslim countries, they do that PA-amplified call to prayer because everybody around is a Muslim, and they use it as a way to mark what time prayers are scheduled. In multicultural places, people have wristwatches and the Internet to keep track of that.
 
2014-08-20 11:07:18 AM  
So another community of scared, misinformed white people outs itself? Hmph.
 
2014-08-20 11:07:59 AM  

CleanAndPure: I'd like to have prevented church going up in our residential zoned neighbourhood.

I've never seen anyone reside in a church... and traffic is awful.


Residential-only zoning is stupid. Neighborhoods should include schools, churches and light commercial (corner markets, dry cleaners, etc.). Otherwise, you're forced into a car to do anything that involves leaving the house.
 
2014-08-20 11:09:55 AM  

hillary: Yo whoever with the trigger finger: making fun of hate thought like that exhibited in the story and in the posted graphic is not hate speech, it is the exact opposite.

Fark: the snark site where snark is not allowed.

So if I make fun of racism, am I a racist?


Being against loud noises waking you up @ 0530, and special rules so houses of worship can break zoning laws is "hate thought"?
 
2014-08-20 11:11:56 AM  

loonatic112358: Diogenes: This is about a 1/2 mile from my house (I live in Dr. Phillips).

Traffic from the new Trader Joe's, new restaurant/shopping/entertainment complex, etc. doesn't seem to bother them.  And don't even try to get in and out of this neighborhood during the Bay Hill Invitational.  And we're adding new housing subdivisions all the time.

But suddenly traffic and "charm" are a concern.  Yeah, right.

I will say this:  They quietly demolished a church to put up that new Trader Joe's.  So there is a bit of consistency to their lie that it's "not about a mosque."

So where would this mosque be on a map?


I can't get an exact location but based on the pic in my linked article and other details I'm guessing in the parcel I colored in green.

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2014-08-20 11:12:55 AM  

jso2897: Looks that way this time. I've lived around rich NIMBYS, and I find it quite believable that they would be rabidly opposed to anybody doing anything in their vicinity. No religious prejudice needed, in this case.


That's a special subset of NIMBY - BANANA.

Build Absolutely Nothing Anywhere Near Anything

// that shiat is...well, you know
 
2014-08-20 11:13:19 AM  
I wouldn't want any Mohhamedans waving bells at me either.

I would use the number 14 to St. Joseph-the-somewhat-divine-on-the-hill ballistic missile.  It's in my attic cupboard.

\They do have a legitimate question there.
\\That is a Monty Python reference there folks.
 
2014-08-20 11:15:10 AM  

Bendal: Around here in NC the problem isn't mosques, but Christian churches that broadcast their services over loudspeakers outside of the building. There have been several lawsuits aimed at them to cut down the noise, and every single time the churches claim it is part of their belief system to distribute the sermons to the broadest possible audience, and so far the courts have refused to stop them from doing it. Their neighbors are justifiably upset; some of the subdivisions around these churches were there first, others came in afterwards, but every time the courts rule on the church's side and they keep blaring their sermons outside the buildings.


I've found from direct experience that the first Black Sabbath album is an effective antidote.
 
2014-08-20 11:15:28 AM  

liam76: Being against loud noises waking you up @ 0530, and special rules so houses of worship can break zoning laws is "hate thought"?


considering there's other places of worship in the area their sudden concern about traffic congestion is probably bullshiat, nobody mentioned anything about a 530 wake up call either, not sure where you're getting that.
 
2014-08-20 11:15:40 AM  

liam76: I have never known a mosque not to broadcast Adhan. Must be very progressive, where is it?


Don't quote me on this, but I read somewhere many years back that there were plans to allow mosques to broadcast over a dedicated low-range FM channel.  The idea was to avoid conflict between noise ordinances and the call-to-prayer.

Too many years ago, and it was in a weird thing called a "newspaper" (it's too retro.  most of you wouldn't understand how they work.)  So I can't provide a reference.  Sorry.
 
2014-08-20 11:17:35 AM  

LazyMedia: In Muslim countries, they do that PA-amplified call to prayer because everybody around is a Muslim, and they use it as a way to mark what time prayers are scheduled. In multicultural places, people have wristwatches and the Internet to keep track of that


So people in Idnonesia and Egyp don't have watches, got it.

Is this place not multicultural?


brimed03: So another community of scared, misinformed white people outs itself? Hmph.


Another misinformed farker tripping overhismelf to call white people racist.
 
2014-08-20 11:21:03 AM  

Diogenes: can't get an exact location but based on the pic in my linked article and other details I'm guessing in the parcel I colored in green.


if that's it, then putting the entrance on 435 would work, put up a fence along the palm lake so that all access is off the major rd and it should be fine
 
2014-08-20 11:21:24 AM  

brimed03: So another community of scared, misinformed white people outs itself? Hmph.


OK, so now that I've read tfa, the quote in Subby's headline is nowhere in it. Which is kinda bullshiat. Did it get scrubbed, or is subby trolling?

Mods, the headline needs to be changed. Seriously, I don't overly mind bring trolled-- it's Fark-- but we don't usually allow outright deception in headlines and that's a good policy. At the very least, please remove the quotation marks.
 
2014-08-20 11:22:05 AM  

hillary: liam76: Being against loud noises waking you up @ 0530,

Won't wake me up. I'm up every day by 5:00 am. Get a job and quit whining.


You have to be up early to dodge those bullets.
 
2014-08-20 11:22:59 AM  
I think I have had more problem in my neighborhood with the churches than the mosque or synagogues. I dont know what it is about Sundays but when they are leaving teh church parking lot their strategy seems to be cloes your eyes, hit teh gas and pray.
 
2014-08-20 11:23:32 AM  
Islam is not a religion. It is a violent theocracy.

Like Democrats
 
2014-08-20 11:24:18 AM  

Headso: liam76: Being against loud noises waking you up @ 0530, and special rules so houses of worship can break zoning laws is "hate thought"?

considering there's other places of worship in the area their sudden concern about traffic congestion is probably bullshiat, nobody mentioned anything about a 530 wake up call either, not sure where you're getting that.


RTFA.

Orange County Major Teresa Jacobs called it "one of the toughest hearings we've had in a long time," and noted she has previously voted against a synagogue and a Catholic church on land-use grounds.

I am sorry you lack the cursory understanding of Islam to know about Adhan, your ignorance doesn't make others racists.
 
2014-08-20 11:24:42 AM  
The traffic argument is a legitimate complaint against any proposed house of worship from any religion. I've seen huge churches built on 2 lane roads that absolutely choke traffic in the area 3 days a week.  (Wednesday Evenings, Saturdays and Sundays) When they city or county ask for money from the house of worship to improve the road, they always scream "Persecution" guess what, around here anyway, the county makes Wal Mart pay for traffic improvements your church needs to do the same.
 
2014-08-20 11:25:06 AM  
groppet
I think I have had more problem in my neighborhood with the churches than the mosque or synagogues. I dont know what it is about Sundays but when they are leaving teh church parking lot their strategy seems to be cloes your eyes, hit teh gas and pray.


Be fair, isn't that on average every third driver on a sunday morning.
 
2014-08-20 11:27:35 AM  
But don't you dare call them racist.
 
2014-08-20 11:28:24 AM  

Sir Paul: Urban planner here, we just redid the zoning code and got rid of religious use and now everything is "meeting hall" or "social services." It actually makes things easier because your looking at the use, not the emblem on the wall (still have to deal w/ RLUIPA)


Know how I know you don't know what the community's problem with the mosque is?

They are opposed to any variance for any new construction other than residential. No social halls, churches, mosques.

They didn't want the trader joe's either.
 
2014-08-20 11:29:09 AM  

loonatic112358: Diogenes: can't get an exact location but based on the pic in my linked article and other details I'm guessing in the parcel I colored in green.

if that's it, then putting the entrance on 435 would work, put up a fence along the palm lake so that all access is off the major rd and it should be fine


Yeah, I thought it was going to be on the Bay Hill side, and closer to Wallace.  I really don't see a big issue with that location myself.

This part of the original TFA confuses me though:

He added that Muslims in the Dr. Phillips area now face a drive of 20 minutes or more to reach a mosque.

I thought there was one right down the road on Apopka Vineland, near the Winn Dixie and across the street from the Jewish Community Center.   Islamic Center of Orlando, Jama Masjid

I guess it's not officially a mosque.  But it sure is packed on Fridays and Eids.
 
2014-08-20 11:33:23 AM  
Good thing Orange County Major Teresa Jacobs opposed a synagogue in a residential area. If it were an Orthodox synagogue there's a compelling reason to walk to church on Shabbat and therefore people might find property values going up around the synagogue because location, location, location. Go figure.
 
2014-08-20 11:35:27 AM  

liam76: RTFA.

Orange County Major Teresa Jacobs called it "one of the toughest hearings we've had in a long time," and noted she has previously voted against a synagogue and a Catholic church on land-use grounds.

I am sorry you lack the cursory understanding of Islam to know about Adhan, your ignorance doesn't make others racists.



you're the only one claiming there's going to be a blaring call to prayer waking people up at 530, everyone else is citing traffic congestion like Muslims are actually going to be there enmasse 5 times a day 7 days a week because bigots can't fathom that Muslims in America are as devout as your typical Christian or Jew and will only be there once a week. Notice how she says she voted against it not that it was voted down, you can use google to see there's other churches right in the area.
 
2014-08-20 11:36:30 AM  

liam76: LazyMedia: In Muslim countries, they do that PA-amplified call to prayer because everybody around is a Muslim, and they use it as a way to mark what time prayers are scheduled. In multicultural places, people have wristwatches and the Internet to keep track of that

So people in Idnonesia and Egyp don't have watches, got it.


Yeah, that's exactly what I said, not "people in Indonesia and Egypt don't need to use their watches to track the times for prayer if they're in earshot of a mosque."

The Hamtramck mosque issue illustrates what I'm on about. They WEREN'T broadcasting, because they established the mosque in a multicultural area, which was becoming increasingly Muslim. Turns out it wasn't that big a deal; residents voted to amend the noise ordinance, and the city council voted unanimously to let them broadcast the adnan between 6 a.m. and 10 p.m., for no more than 5 minutes at a time. Lots of other mosques are in areas where they don't let them do that, just as many churches don't ring bells.
 
2014-08-20 11:39:05 AM  

MooseBayou: Obama thinks the Muslim call to prayer is the most beautiful thing he's ever heard.

But then, this is what he starts with.
[i.imgur.com image 580x717]


what?

i don't even
 
2014-08-20 11:41:01 AM  

Tom_Slick: The traffic argument is a legitimate complaint against any proposed house of worship from any religion. I've seen huge churches built on 2 lane roads that absolutely choke traffic in the area 3 days a week.  (Wednesday Evenings, Saturdays and Sundays) When they city or county ask for money from the house of worship to improve the road, they always scream "Persecution" guess what, around here anyway, the county makes Wal Mart pay for traffic improvements your church needs to do the same.


That's just a matter of controlling how big the church building can be. You only get that with mega-churches. Also, having roads choked with traffic twice a day is normal in most of America anywhere near a major city.
 
2014-08-20 11:41:43 AM  

Mr.Tangent: AMURIKA!


What F'd up country are you from?
 
2014-08-20 11:44:46 AM  

Clemkadidlefark: Islam is not a religion. It is a violent theocracy.

Like Democrats


Progressive Liberal Democrats and Muslims believe in very similar Ideology
 
2014-08-20 11:46:26 AM  

mschwenk: liam76: Bendal: There have been several lawsuits aimed at them to cut down the noise, and every single time the churches claim it is part of their belief system to distribute the sermons to the broadest possible audience, and so far the courts have refused to stop them from doing it.

If I won the lottery I would move there just to blast death metal at the same volume whenever they tried to do anything quiet.

Good suggestion for the neighborhood. If they have the right to broadcast service at 7 am you have the right to broadcast music at them.

Might I suggest directional speakers similar to LRAD? Definately something you can build.


I just pull my PA out of the basement and aim the speakers at the offending AME Zion "Temple" megachurch that's a few hundred yards away from my house when they have their ridiculously loud outdoor events in the summer.  I prefer to program heavily from my Zappa collection.

They are shiatty neighbors, but all the lying, parking in people's private driveways, violations of land use rules, etc. are all good, because they are doing the Lord's Work.

Fark you.  You guys are just the Worst.
 
2014-08-20 11:48:02 AM  

liam76: LazyMedia: In Muslim countries, they do that PA-amplified call to prayer because everybody around is a Muslim, and they use it as a way to mark what time prayers are scheduled. In multicultural places, people have wristwatches and the Internet to keep track of that

So people in Idnonesia and Egyp don't have watches, got it.

Is this place not multicultural?


brimed03: So another community of scared, misinformed white people outs itself? Hmph.

Another misinformed farker tripping overhismelf to call white people racist.


That mosque in Michigan is the exception, not the rule.  I was a practicing Muslim for nearly 30 years and had the opportunity to pray at numerous mosques.  I have yet to encounter one in the US that broadcasts its Adhan over a loudspeaker as is done in some Middle Eastern countries..  The one you reference in the article is literally the first one I've encountered.  In most cases, the imam stands at the door and recites the Adhan.  If you're 50 feet away, you can't hear it.
 
2014-08-20 11:49:02 AM  
Fark is always fascinating. If only the muslims had been christians, the entire nature of the posts would be reversed.
 
2014-08-20 11:49:07 AM  

Deucednuisance: mschwenk: liam76: Bendal: There have been several lawsuits aimed at them to cut down the noise, and every single time the churches claim it is part of their belief system to distribute the sermons to the broadest possible audience, and so far the courts have refused to stop them from doing it.

If I won the lottery I would move there just to blast death metal at the same volume whenever they tried to do anything quiet.

Good suggestion for the neighborhood. If they have the right to broadcast service at 7 am you have the right to broadcast music at them.

Might I suggest directional speakers similar to LRAD? Definately something you can build.

I just pull my PA out of the basement and aim the speakers at the offending AME Zion "Temple" megachurch that's a few hundred yards away from my house when they have their ridiculously loud outdoor events in the summer.   I prefer to program heavily from my Zappa collection.

They are shiatty neighbors, but all the lying, parking in people's private driveways, violations of land use rules, etc. are all good, because they are doing the Lord's Work.

Fark you.  You guys are just the Worst.



I like the cut of your jib.
 
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