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(Orlando Sentinel)   Residents successfully oppose construction of mosque in their neighborhood because "praying and chanting five times a day would be a violation of the noise ordinance"   (orlandosentinel.com) divider line 170
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2014-08-20 08:32:11 AM  
Sounds legit.
 
2014-08-20 08:48:13 AM  
Church bells @ 0700 blow.

Prayers @ 0530 are a farking nightmare.
 
2014-08-20 08:53:46 AM  
I've lived across the street from a mosque for about 5 years. Not once have I ever had a concern about noise - never hear a peep from them. What I do have, however, is lots of peaceful people going to and from their place of worship throughout the day which has a nice effect of having lots of eyes on the neighborhood to keep crime down in an area that has lots of burglaries elsewhere.
 
2014-08-20 09:13:10 AM  
This is about a 1/2 mile from my house (I live in Dr. Phillips).

Traffic from the new Trader Joe's, new restaurant/shopping/entertainment complex, etc. doesn't seem to bother them.  And don't even try to get in and out of this neighborhood during the Bay Hill Invitational.  And we're adding new housing subdivisions all the time.

But suddenly traffic and "charm" are a concern.  Yeah, right.

I will say this:  They quietly demolished a church to put up that new Trader Joe's.  So there is a bit of consistency to their lie that it's "not about a mosque."
 
2014-08-20 09:19:11 AM  

naughtyrev: I've lived across the street from a mosque for about 5 years. Not once have I ever had a concern about noise - never hear a peep from them. What I do have, however, is lots of peaceful people going to and from their place of worship throughout the day which has a nice effect of having lots of eyes on the neighborhood to keep crime down in an area that has lots of burglaries elsewhere.


I have never known a mosque not to broadcast Adhan. Must be very progressive, where is it?
 
2014-08-20 09:20:45 AM  

liam76: naughtyrev: I've lived across the street from a mosque for about 5 years. Not once have I ever had a concern about noise - never hear a peep from them. What I do have, however, is lots of peaceful people going to and from their place of worship throughout the day which has a nice effect of having lots of eyes on the neighborhood to keep crime down in an area that has lots of burglaries elsewhere.

I have never known a mosque not to broadcast Adhan. Must be very progressive, where is it?


Chicago, in a quasi-residential area.
 
2014-08-20 09:21:00 AM  

Diogenes: This is about a 1/2 mile from my house (I live in Dr. Phillips).


The article was pretty sparse. Did they mention in local coverage if the mosque would or would nto be allwoed to broadcast the call to prayers?
 
2014-08-20 09:32:47 AM  

liam76: Diogenes: This is about a 1/2 mile from my house (I live in Dr. Phillips).

The article was pretty sparse. Did they mention in local coverage if the mosque would or would nto be allwoed to broadcast the call to prayers?


From my reading (local community papers, etc.) it will.  It's supposed to be fully operational, for lack of a better term.  Description of the architecture sounded interesting.  Hard to picture it, but it sounded rather modern.

I'll see if I can find an online copy.  It too, though, was rather sparse.  They're keeping some of the locals' more 'colorful' comments muted.
 
2014-08-20 09:36:05 AM  
Here you go, guys.  This gives you a more specific idea of the location, dimensions, zoning, etc. etc.

     Up Against a Difficult Opposition:  Proposed Palm Lake mosque concerns neighbors

Very, very wealthy people in Bay Hill.  Definitely going to make it rough on the mosque proponents.
 
2014-08-20 09:59:44 AM  
People are trying to block rezoning for a proposed Walmart in my area using the same excuses. They're really just trying to oppress the religion of "Save money. Live better.". Bigots.
 
2014-08-20 10:03:18 AM  

naughtyrev: I've lived across the street from a mosque for about 5 years. Not once have I ever had a concern about noise - never hear a peep from them. What I do have, however, is lots of peaceful people going to and from their place of worship throughout the day which has a nice effect of having lots of eyes on the neighborhood to keep crime down in an area that has lots of burglaries elsewhere.


It's almost like the neighbors' protests weren't actually about the noise, huh?
 
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2014-08-20 10:03:44 AM  
In Massachusetts the city would have to negotiate, not dictate, because religious and educational buildings are exempt from zoning. I think it's a good policy. In practice, we don't have Southern-style 10,000 seat megachurches on a 2 acre lot in the middle of a subdivision.  The churchgoers are locals too and they don't want to wreck the neighborhood.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2014-08-20 10:05:55 AM  
naughtyrev

When I was in college a gaming group got some heat from the administration because weird people were in classrooms after hours. The group got support from campus police bceause those weird people were harmless and they kept an eye out for people who would make trouble. In the end, the gaming group got official permission to be there.
 
2014-08-20 10:06:21 AM  
I'd like to have prevented church going up in our residential zoned neighbourhood.

I've never seen anyone reside in a church... and traffic is awful.
 
2014-08-20 10:08:02 AM  
Here I come, Constantinople.

/Love me some Residents
 
2014-08-20 10:09:22 AM  
should probably pass laws to make religious institutions to pay taxes on their income while they're at it.  Way too much potential abuse for tax evasion.  Could bring criminal elements to your area.
 
2014-08-20 10:09:34 AM  

Diogenes: This is about a 1/2 mile from my house (I live in Dr. Phillips).


Along with 10,980 other people. Poor man must feel so bloated.

/luckily Dr. Phillips takes his colon health seriously
 
2014-08-20 10:11:06 AM  
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2014-08-20 10:11:55 AM  

naughtyrev: I've lived across the street from a mosque for about 5 years. Not once have I ever had a concern about noise - never hear a peep from them. What I do have, however, is lots of peaceful people going to and from their place of worship throughout the day which has a nice effect of having lots of eyes on the neighborhood to keep crime down in an area that has lots of burglaries elsewhere.


i've spent 3 months in saudi arabia and 3 months in iraq
granted, the prayer call towers (whatever they're called, i haven't a clue) weren't as close as across the street, but i could indeed hear them quite well most of the time...it never bothered me. it was a little bit strange, not being muslim, not living in an area with a mosque, etc, but no different to me than growing up in a small strongly-christian southern town with various church bells ringing quite loudly multiple times per day

yes...yes i know this isn't about the mosque and the calls to prayer. it's about folks not understanding, nor wanting to understand, the muslim religion nor its followers
 
2014-08-20 10:12:18 AM  

liam76: naughtyrev: I've lived across the street from a mosque for about 5 years. Not once have I ever had a concern about noise - never hear a peep from them. What I do have, however, is lots of peaceful people going to and from their place of worship throughout the day which has a nice effect of having lots of eyes on the neighborhood to keep crime down in an area that has lots of burglaries elsewhere.

I have never known a mosque not to broadcast Adhan. Must be very progressive, where is it?


We have a Mosque in my quiet little redneck mountain town in Maryland, that doesn't do the loudspeaker thing.  They're pretty quiet overall, most people don't know that we even have a mosque, and it's been here since 1983.
 
2014-08-20 10:13:18 AM  

Diogenes: From my reading (local community papers, etc.) it will.  It's supposed to be fully operational, for lack of a better term.  Description of the architecture sounded interesting.  Hard to picture it, but it sounded rather modern.


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2014-08-20 10:15:17 AM  
Perhaps they now get down to banning Arabic words and what they represent like alcohol and algebra, which are also too noisy, make traffic hell, and aren't good for children.
 
2014-08-20 10:15:17 AM  
"For whatever reason, religious organizations buy property that is residential in nature and ask for a variance," Brummer said. "It's a real problem."

That is the real crux of the issue summed up at the end of the article. Just as they said no to a catholic church and a synagogue
 
2014-08-20 10:15:28 AM  
when I was in YOUR coontry I hadda listen to you yammer..and it was kinda interesting

but if you really must be on your knees over here
keep yer yap shut about it
religion is a quiet, personal thing

I have to assume that there are still bipeds I would consider 'people' in florida
and people do not need to hear your religion several times a day
 
2014-08-20 10:17:53 AM  

Diogenes: liam76: Diogenes: This is about a 1/2 mile from my house (I live in Dr. Phillips).

The article was pretty sparse. Did they mention in local coverage if the mosque would or would nto be allwoed to broadcast the call to prayers?

From my reading (local community papers, etc.) it will.  It's supposed to be fully operational, for lack of a better term.  Description of the architecture sounded interesting.  Hard to picture it, but it sounded rather modern.

I'll see if I can find an online copy.  It too, though, was rather sparse.  They're keeping some of the locals' more 'colorful' comments muted.


If theyre going to broadcast thw call to prayers, fark that. Im not a big fan of church bells either.
 
2014-08-20 10:18:10 AM  

Diogenes: (I live in Dr. Phillips)


Sounds . . . painful?
 
2014-08-20 10:18:32 AM  
I remember in grade school that the church got a new electronic bell set and they went bananas with it until the neighbors got pissy about it.  There's one thing with sounding bells at noon and after weddings and other special occasions with the volume at 7 vs hourly from 7 am to 10 pm with the volume at 11 1/2.
 
2014-08-20 10:18:39 AM  
You're tempted (as am I) to think it's about being Muslim, but these old people are serious as cancer about their noise ordinances.  When I visit my parents I spend some time reading the police blotter in the Boca Breeze to see what's going down.  It's mostly noise complaints regarding construction too early/late, yard work on a non yard work day (Sunday), power tool noise at unapproved times, and illegal RV/truck parking.

These people work their whole lives so they can save up enough money to move down to Florida and live out their golden years poking into each others' business and enforcing the rules.
 
2014-08-20 10:19:14 AM  

CleanAndPure: I'd like to have prevented church going up in our residential zoned neighbourhood.

I've never seen anyone reside in a church... and traffic is awful.


Yeah, I've got one next door and while the all day Sunday traffic is bad (to be expected) the rest of the week it's a zoo as well.  It's a Hmong congregation and the building is used for every other purpose their community has, over and above worship.

I cant blame these people from TFA in the least.
 
2014-08-20 10:19:24 AM  
Around here in NC the problem isn't mosques, but Christian churches that broadcast their services over loudspeakers outside of the building. There have been several lawsuits aimed at them to cut down the noise, and every single time the churches claim it is part of their belief system to distribute the sermons to the broadest possible audience, and so far the courts have refused to stop them from doing it. Their neighbors are justifiably upset; some of the subdivisions around these churches were there first, others came in afterwards, but every time the courts rule on the church's side and they keep blaring their sermons outside the buildings.

/thankful that one of those isn't nearby my house
//my wife would probably be in jail by now if they were
 
2014-08-20 10:19:40 AM  
But the in crowd say it's cool to dig this chanting thing.
 
2014-08-20 10:20:57 AM  
Off with their heads!
 
2014-08-20 10:21:06 AM  

liam76: I have never known a mosque not to broadcast Adhan. Must be very progressive, where is it?


The one a couple blocks from my house doesn't broadcast either, but the traffic is terrible. Problem one is the intersection design. The basic traffic has outgrown what was adequate for years. The second part are The Jihadi Mothers. These are women who, I suspect, are primarily recent immigrants. The all drive minivans. They all think it is perfectly OK to stop in the traffic lanes to pick up and discharge passengers. Lanes are a somewhat challenging concept to them too. And many of them drive v-e-r-y-s-l-o-w-l-y.

It makes me want to ululate.
 
2014-08-20 10:23:27 AM  

kindms: "For whatever reason, religious organizations buy property that is residential in nature and ask for a variance," Brummer said. "It's a real problem."

That is the real crux of the issue summed up at the end of the article. Just as they said no to a catholic church and a synagogue


Not sensational enough. You have to bury that deep in the article. That way, people can be outraged long before they get to that section and stop reading. See also redactions.
 
2014-08-20 10:24:58 AM  

natas6.0: when I was in YOUR coontry I hadda listen to you yammer..and it was kinda interesting

but if you really must be on your knees over here
keep yer yap shut about it
religion is a quiet, personal thing

I have to assume that there are still bipeds I would consider 'people' in florida
and people do not need to hear your religion several times a day


img.izismile.com
 
2014-08-20 10:26:12 AM  
Retraction. Stupid autocorrect.
 
2014-08-20 10:26:32 AM  

bungle_jr: naughtyrev: I've lived across the street from a mosque for about 5 years. Not once have I ever had a concern about noise - never hear a peep from them. What I do have, however, is lots of peaceful people going to and from their place of worship throughout the day which has a nice effect of having lots of eyes on the neighborhood to keep crime down in an area that has lots of burglaries elsewhere.

i've spent 3 months in saudi arabia and 3 months in iraq
granted, the prayer call towers (whatever they're called, i haven't a clue) weren't as close as across the street, but i could indeed hear them quite well most of the time...it never bothered me. it was a little bit strange, not being muslim, not living in an area with a mosque, etc, but no different to me than growing up in a small strongly-christian southern town with various church bells ringing quite loudly multiple times per day

yes...yes i know this isn't about the mosque and the calls to prayer. it's about folks not understanding, nor wanting to understand, the muslim religion nor its followers


If you understood them you would know they start as early as 0530, I doubt any churches around you were rocking out their bells that early.

Also they are asking for a variance in the number of parking spaces a non residential building would normally have in that area.

But yeah, lets pretend any opposiiton is based in discrimination.
 
2014-08-20 10:27:00 AM  

liam76: I have never known a mosque not to broadcast Adhan. Must be very progressive, where is it?


Talk about progressive, here's the Adhan from Karl Jenkins A Mass for Peace: The Armed Man.
 
2014-08-20 10:28:17 AM  
From what I heard on local news, the church wanted a zoning exception in order to build in an area that is zoned residential, and the exception was denied. Things like that happen all the time, often due to the concerns of the residents in the area who would be affected.

Anyone who wants to build anything has to find land that is zoned appropriately, or find an area where there won't be objection to the granting of an exception. This doesn't seem to be a big deal to me.
 
2014-08-20 10:29:09 AM  

CrackpipeCardozo: Diogenes: (I live in Dr. Phillips)

Sounds . . . painful?


It's citrusy  He brought orange farming to Central Florida.
 
2014-08-20 10:29:19 AM  
AMURIKA!
 
2014-08-20 10:30:31 AM  

naughtyrev: liam76: naughtyrev: I've lived across the street from a mosque for about 5 years. Not once have I ever had a concern about noise - never hear a peep from them. What I do have, however, is lots of peaceful people going to and from their place of worship throughout the day which has a nice effect of having lots of eyes on the neighborhood to keep crime down in an area that has lots of burglaries elsewhere.

I have never known a mosque not to broadcast Adhan. Must be very progressive, where is it?

Chicago, in a quasi-residential area.


There's a mosque up on Stony Island, and never heard them broadcast anything even once. The Muslims in Hyde Park are pretty laid back. Most likely there's still the one guy who sells the local Muslim paper and bean pies on Harper Court. Very mellow and laid back guy.
 
2014-08-20 10:30:46 AM  
Where I want when I want persecute me at your own peril?
 
2014-08-20 10:34:12 AM  

Diogenes: This is about a 1/2 mile from my house (I live in Dr. Phillips).

Traffic from the new Trader Joe's, new restaurant/shopping/entertainment complex, etc. doesn't seem to bother them.  And don't even try to get in and out of this neighborhood during the Bay Hill Invitational.  And we're adding new housing subdivisions all the time.

But suddenly traffic and "charm" are a concern.  Yeah, right.

I will say this:  They quietly demolished a church to put up that new Trader Joe's.  So there is a bit of consistency to their lie that it's "not about a mosque."


I wish they'd replace a church near me with a Trader Joe's.

\was all set to trigger my "outrage" switch, 'til I read TFA, and saw that one of the board members had previously voted against building a synagogue and a Catholic church
 
2014-08-20 10:34:35 AM  

kindms: "For whatever reason, religious organizations buy property that is residential in nature and ask for a variance," Brummer said. "It's a real problem."

That is the real crux of the issue summed up at the end of the article. Just as they said no to a catholic church and a synagogue


Done in 40. That really is the issue not muslim persecution.
 
2014-08-20 10:35:58 AM  

kidakita: Off with their heads!


dude.....too soon.
 
2014-08-20 10:38:43 AM  

Bendal: There have been several lawsuits aimed at them to cut down the noise, and every single time the churches claim it is part of their belief system to distribute the sermons to the broadest possible audience, and so far the courts have refused to stop them from doing it.


If I won the lottery I would move there just to blast death metal at the same volume whenever they tried to do anything quiet.
 
2014-08-20 10:40:04 AM  

liam76: Diogenes: This is about a 1/2 mile from my house (I live in Dr. Phillips).

The article was pretty sparse. Did they mention in local coverage if the mosque would or would nto be allwoed to broadcast the call to prayers?


Mosques in Saskatoon, Regina, St. John's, Edmonton, Calgary, Hamilton, Thunder Bay, Ottawa, Winnipeg, Victoria don't broadcast...I have not come across a single mosque in Canada (or North America for that matter, although my travels in the States are limited) that broadcasts the call to prayers or services.  If it is truly a traffic flow issue, I understand...does not make it any less of a pain in the ass.
 
2014-08-20 10:43:20 AM  

Igor Jakovsky: kindms: "For whatever reason, religious organizations buy property that is residential in nature and ask for a variance," Brummer said. "It's a real problem."

That is the real crux of the issue summed up at the end of the article. Just as they said no to a catholic church and a synagogue

Done in 40. That really is the issue not muslim persecution.


Looks that way this time. I've lived around rich NIMBYS, and I find it quite believable that they would be rabidly opposed to anybody doing anything in their vicinity. No religious prejudice needed, in this case.
 
2014-08-20 10:43:37 AM  

liam76: bungle_jr: naughtyrev: I've lived across the street from a mosque for about 5 years. Not once have I ever had a concern about noise - never hear a peep from them. What I do have, however, is lots of peaceful people going to and from their place of worship throughout the day which has a nice effect of having lots of eyes on the neighborhood to keep crime down in an area that has lots of burglaries elsewhere.

i've spent 3 months in saudi arabia and 3 months in iraq
granted, the prayer call towers (whatever they're called, i haven't a clue) weren't as close as across the street, but i could indeed hear them quite well most of the time...it never bothered me. it was a little bit strange, not being muslim, not living in an area with a mosque, etc, but no different to me than growing up in a small strongly-christian southern town with various church bells ringing quite loudly multiple times per day

yes...yes i know this isn't about the mosque and the calls to prayer. it's about folks not understanding, nor wanting to understand, the muslim religion nor its followers

If you understood them you would know they start as early as 0530, I doubt any churches around you were rocking out their bells that early.

Also they are asking for a variance in the number of parking spaces a non residential building would normally have in that area.

But yeah, lets pretend any opposiiton is based in discrimination.


cool your jets, liam
as is a frequent custom on fark, i dnrtfa prior to commenting

typically, in this post-911 america we know and loathe, any opposition to a mosque is based in discrimination or fear...whether it's openly admitted or not.

this may be an exception with actual valid reasons, like the ones you mentioned
 
2014-08-20 10:43:46 AM  
In these cases, I think what is there first should have to be respected. Example is if a church wants to build in a residential area. Then the church needs to respect the residents of that area and their wishes when it comes to noise and traffic. And the same goes if the church is there and a neighborhood develops around it.

My church is dealing with this a lot. The church was built 50 years ago before any houses were even thought about being built. Now there is a huge neighborhood around it and there are people who constantly complain about the church and their activities. So in this case, the people moving into this neighborhood know there was a church there and knew it would get busy around their house and choose to move there anyways. So you have no say in this matter.

In this case, since the houses are there before the mosque. The mosque should respect the concerns of the community. If that means not having the call to prayer, then the mosque will have to deal with that. If that also means having to figure out ways to respect the traffic flow and make it easier for the people of the neighborhood to freely move about their community. It is on the mosque.
 
2014-08-20 10:44:36 AM  
Urban planner here, we just redid the zoning code and got rid of religious use and now everything is "meeting hall" or "social services." It actually makes things easier because your looking at the use, not the emblem on the wall (still have to deal w/ RLUIPA)
 
2014-08-20 10:44:38 AM  
Go be muslin somewhere else!
 
2014-08-20 10:45:46 AM  
I grew up about 5 miles from where the mosque was to be built. The problem for the Muslims is simple this. When Disney came to town the area of Sand Lake Rd and Apopke Vineland intersection didn't have a 4 way stop sign, now it is Orlando's version of Rodeo Dr. LOL what a hoot.

Yep my hometown.... complete and total clusterfark now.
 
2014-08-20 10:47:39 AM  

liam76: Bendal: There have been several lawsuits aimed at them to cut down the noise, and every single time the churches claim it is part of their belief system to distribute the sermons to the broadest possible audience, and so far the courts have refused to stop them from doing it.

If I won the lottery I would move there just to blast death metal at the same volume whenever they tried to do anything quiet.


Good suggestion for the neighborhood. If they have the right to broadcast service at 7 am you have the right to broadcast music at them.

Might I suggest directional speakers similar to LRAD? Definately something you can build.
 
2014-08-20 10:47:40 AM  

Diogenes: This is about a 1/2 mile from my house (I live in Dr. Phillips).

Traffic from the new Trader Joe's, new restaurant/shopping/entertainment complex, etc. doesn't seem to bother them.  And don't even try to get in and out of this neighborhood during the Bay Hill Invitational.  And we're adding new housing subdivisions all the time.

But suddenly traffic and "charm" are a concern.  Yeah, right.

I will say this:  They quietly demolished a church to put up that new Trader Joe's.  So there is a bit of consistency to their lie that it's "not about a mosque."


So where would this mosque be on a map?
 
2014-08-20 10:48:56 AM  

naughtyrev: I've lived across the street from a mosque for about 5 years. Not once have I ever had a concern about noise - never hear a peep from them. What I do have, however, is lots of peaceful people going to and from their place of worship throughout the day which has a nice effect of having lots of eyes on the neighborhood to keep crime down in an area that has lots of burglaries elsewhere.


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2014-08-20 10:49:38 AM  
The letter(s) of the law: fu
 
2014-08-20 10:52:34 AM  
HOAs might be the only groups that can successfully fight ISIS.
 
2014-08-20 10:53:28 AM  
You can have a church with out bells, if you can have a Mosque without the ridiculous prayer call, then fine. If not then I see their point.

I am as progressive as they come but if a mosque was going in near me you can be sure I would not want that nonsense blaring over loudspeakers five times a day.
 
2014-08-20 10:55:33 AM  
I think in fairness, we should ban the building of new churches, for any faith from now on out.  Would probably lead to people being less stupid and more moral in the long run.
 
2014-08-20 10:57:43 AM  
It's not about them being Muslim. It's about them being brown in a white community.
 
2014-08-20 10:57:53 AM  
Obama thinks the Muslim call to prayer is the most beautiful thing he's ever heard.

But then, this is what he starts with.
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2014-08-20 10:58:26 AM  
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/Why didn't the sheik stand up for himself? He was all in charge at the start. I'd grab a scimitar and ruin that camel's shiat.
 
2014-08-20 10:59:47 AM  

naughtyrev: I've lived across the street from a mosque for about 5 years. Not once have I ever had a concern about noise - never hear a peep from them. What I do have, however, is lots of peaceful people going to and from their place of worship throughout the day which has a nice effect of having lots of eyes on the neighborhood to keep crime down in an area that has lots of burglaries elsewhere.


My first week living in Baltimore, in my neighborhood cops shot to death a housebreaker who lunged at them with a screwdriver. This occurred directly opposite a church and school.

/and down the block from a funeral home. Very considerate all things told.
//oh Baltimore
///three slashies but don't shoot!
 
2014-08-20 11:00:43 AM  

liam76: naughtyrev: I've lived across the street from a mosque for about 5 years. Not once have I ever had a concern about noise - never hear a peep from them. What I do have, however, is lots of peaceful people going to and from their place of worship throughout the day which has a nice effect of having lots of eyes on the neighborhood to keep crime down in an area that has lots of burglaries elsewhere.

I have never known a mosque not to broadcast Adhan. Must be very progressive, where is it?


Mosques in Denmark don't do the whole muezzin call thing. I think it's the same in most of Europe.
 
2014-08-20 11:01:51 AM  

MooseBayou: Obama thinks the Muslim call to prayer is the most beautiful thing he's ever heard.

But then, this is what he starts with.
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Like I said in another Ferguson thread, these threads are awesome for flushing out the trolls who try to be more subtle in other threads. Makes it easier to add them to my Ignore list and thereby improve my Fark Experience (tm).
 
2014-08-20 11:02:59 AM  

naughtyrev: I've lived across the street from a mosque for about 5 years. Not once have I ever had a concern about noise - never hear a peep from them. What I do have, however, is lots of peaceful people going to and from their place of worship throughout the day which has a nice effect of having lots of eyes on the neighborhood to keep crime down in an area that has lots of burglaries elsewhere.


This. The muezzin broadcasting from the mosque is not a mandatory part of having a mosque. In Muslim countries, they do that PA-amplified call to prayer because everybody around is a Muslim, and they use it as a way to mark what time prayers are scheduled. In multicultural places, people have wristwatches and the Internet to keep track of that.
 
2014-08-20 11:07:18 AM  
So another community of scared, misinformed white people outs itself? Hmph.
 
2014-08-20 11:07:59 AM  

CleanAndPure: I'd like to have prevented church going up in our residential zoned neighbourhood.

I've never seen anyone reside in a church... and traffic is awful.


Residential-only zoning is stupid. Neighborhoods should include schools, churches and light commercial (corner markets, dry cleaners, etc.). Otherwise, you're forced into a car to do anything that involves leaving the house.
 
2014-08-20 11:09:55 AM  

hillary: Yo whoever with the trigger finger: making fun of hate thought like that exhibited in the story and in the posted graphic is not hate speech, it is the exact opposite.

Fark: the snark site where snark is not allowed.

So if I make fun of racism, am I a racist?


Being against loud noises waking you up @ 0530, and special rules so houses of worship can break zoning laws is "hate thought"?
 
2014-08-20 11:11:56 AM  

loonatic112358: Diogenes: This is about a 1/2 mile from my house (I live in Dr. Phillips).

Traffic from the new Trader Joe's, new restaurant/shopping/entertainment complex, etc. doesn't seem to bother them.  And don't even try to get in and out of this neighborhood during the Bay Hill Invitational.  And we're adding new housing subdivisions all the time.

But suddenly traffic and "charm" are a concern.  Yeah, right.

I will say this:  They quietly demolished a church to put up that new Trader Joe's.  So there is a bit of consistency to their lie that it's "not about a mosque."

So where would this mosque be on a map?


I can't get an exact location but based on the pic in my linked article and other details I'm guessing in the parcel I colored in green.

lh3.googleusercontent.com
 
2014-08-20 11:12:55 AM  

jso2897: Looks that way this time. I've lived around rich NIMBYS, and I find it quite believable that they would be rabidly opposed to anybody doing anything in their vicinity. No religious prejudice needed, in this case.


That's a special subset of NIMBY - BANANA.

Build Absolutely Nothing Anywhere Near Anything

// that shiat is...well, you know
 
2014-08-20 11:13:19 AM  
I wouldn't want any Mohhamedans waving bells at me either.

I would use the number 14 to St. Joseph-the-somewhat-divine-on-the-hill ballistic missile.  It's in my attic cupboard.

\They do have a legitimate question there.
\\That is a Monty Python reference there folks.
 
2014-08-20 11:15:10 AM  

Bendal: Around here in NC the problem isn't mosques, but Christian churches that broadcast their services over loudspeakers outside of the building. There have been several lawsuits aimed at them to cut down the noise, and every single time the churches claim it is part of their belief system to distribute the sermons to the broadest possible audience, and so far the courts have refused to stop them from doing it. Their neighbors are justifiably upset; some of the subdivisions around these churches were there first, others came in afterwards, but every time the courts rule on the church's side and they keep blaring their sermons outside the buildings.


I've found from direct experience that the first Black Sabbath album is an effective antidote.
 
2014-08-20 11:15:28 AM  

liam76: Being against loud noises waking you up @ 0530, and special rules so houses of worship can break zoning laws is "hate thought"?


considering there's other places of worship in the area their sudden concern about traffic congestion is probably bullshiat, nobody mentioned anything about a 530 wake up call either, not sure where you're getting that.
 
2014-08-20 11:15:40 AM  

liam76: I have never known a mosque not to broadcast Adhan. Must be very progressive, where is it?


Don't quote me on this, but I read somewhere many years back that there were plans to allow mosques to broadcast over a dedicated low-range FM channel.  The idea was to avoid conflict between noise ordinances and the call-to-prayer.

Too many years ago, and it was in a weird thing called a "newspaper" (it's too retro.  most of you wouldn't understand how they work.)  So I can't provide a reference.  Sorry.
 
2014-08-20 11:17:35 AM  

LazyMedia: In Muslim countries, they do that PA-amplified call to prayer because everybody around is a Muslim, and they use it as a way to mark what time prayers are scheduled. In multicultural places, people have wristwatches and the Internet to keep track of that


So people in Idnonesia and Egyp don't have watches, got it.

Is this place not multicultural?


brimed03: So another community of scared, misinformed white people outs itself? Hmph.


Another misinformed farker tripping overhismelf to call white people racist.
 
2014-08-20 11:21:03 AM  

Diogenes: can't get an exact location but based on the pic in my linked article and other details I'm guessing in the parcel I colored in green.


if that's it, then putting the entrance on 435 would work, put up a fence along the palm lake so that all access is off the major rd and it should be fine
 
2014-08-20 11:21:24 AM  

brimed03: So another community of scared, misinformed white people outs itself? Hmph.


OK, so now that I've read tfa, the quote in Subby's headline is nowhere in it. Which is kinda bullshiat. Did it get scrubbed, or is subby trolling?

Mods, the headline needs to be changed. Seriously, I don't overly mind bring trolled-- it's Fark-- but we don't usually allow outright deception in headlines and that's a good policy. At the very least, please remove the quotation marks.
 
2014-08-20 11:22:05 AM  

hillary: liam76: Being against loud noises waking you up @ 0530,

Won't wake me up. I'm up every day by 5:00 am. Get a job and quit whining.


You have to be up early to dodge those bullets.
 
2014-08-20 11:22:59 AM  
I think I have had more problem in my neighborhood with the churches than the mosque or synagogues. I dont know what it is about Sundays but when they are leaving teh church parking lot their strategy seems to be cloes your eyes, hit teh gas and pray.
 
2014-08-20 11:23:32 AM  
Islam is not a religion. It is a violent theocracy.

Like Democrats
 
2014-08-20 11:24:18 AM  

Headso: liam76: Being against loud noises waking you up @ 0530, and special rules so houses of worship can break zoning laws is "hate thought"?

considering there's other places of worship in the area their sudden concern about traffic congestion is probably bullshiat, nobody mentioned anything about a 530 wake up call either, not sure where you're getting that.


RTFA.

Orange County Major Teresa Jacobs called it "one of the toughest hearings we've had in a long time," and noted she has previously voted against a synagogue and a Catholic church on land-use grounds.

I am sorry you lack the cursory understanding of Islam to know about Adhan, your ignorance doesn't make others racists.
 
2014-08-20 11:24:42 AM  
The traffic argument is a legitimate complaint against any proposed house of worship from any religion. I've seen huge churches built on 2 lane roads that absolutely choke traffic in the area 3 days a week.  (Wednesday Evenings, Saturdays and Sundays) When they city or county ask for money from the house of worship to improve the road, they always scream "Persecution" guess what, around here anyway, the county makes Wal Mart pay for traffic improvements your church needs to do the same.
 
2014-08-20 11:25:06 AM  
groppet
I think I have had more problem in my neighborhood with the churches than the mosque or synagogues. I dont know what it is about Sundays but when they are leaving teh church parking lot their strategy seems to be cloes your eyes, hit teh gas and pray.


Be fair, isn't that on average every third driver on a sunday morning.
 
2014-08-20 11:27:35 AM  
But don't you dare call them racist.
 
2014-08-20 11:28:24 AM  

Sir Paul: Urban planner here, we just redid the zoning code and got rid of religious use and now everything is "meeting hall" or "social services." It actually makes things easier because your looking at the use, not the emblem on the wall (still have to deal w/ RLUIPA)


Know how I know you don't know what the community's problem with the mosque is?

They are opposed to any variance for any new construction other than residential. No social halls, churches, mosques.

They didn't want the trader joe's either.
 
2014-08-20 11:29:09 AM  

loonatic112358: Diogenes: can't get an exact location but based on the pic in my linked article and other details I'm guessing in the parcel I colored in green.

if that's it, then putting the entrance on 435 would work, put up a fence along the palm lake so that all access is off the major rd and it should be fine


Yeah, I thought it was going to be on the Bay Hill side, and closer to Wallace.  I really don't see a big issue with that location myself.

This part of the original TFA confuses me though:

He added that Muslims in the Dr. Phillips area now face a drive of 20 minutes or more to reach a mosque.

I thought there was one right down the road on Apopka Vineland, near the Winn Dixie and across the street from the Jewish Community Center.   Islamic Center of Orlando, Jama Masjid

I guess it's not officially a mosque.  But it sure is packed on Fridays and Eids.
 
2014-08-20 11:33:23 AM  
Good thing Orange County Major Teresa Jacobs opposed a synagogue in a residential area. If it were an Orthodox synagogue there's a compelling reason to walk to church on Shabbat and therefore people might find property values going up around the synagogue because location, location, location. Go figure.
 
2014-08-20 11:35:27 AM  

liam76: RTFA.

Orange County Major Teresa Jacobs called it "one of the toughest hearings we've had in a long time," and noted she has previously voted against a synagogue and a Catholic church on land-use grounds.

I am sorry you lack the cursory understanding of Islam to know about Adhan, your ignorance doesn't make others racists.



you're the only one claiming there's going to be a blaring call to prayer waking people up at 530, everyone else is citing traffic congestion like Muslims are actually going to be there enmasse 5 times a day 7 days a week because bigots can't fathom that Muslims in America are as devout as your typical Christian or Jew and will only be there once a week. Notice how she says she voted against it not that it was voted down, you can use google to see there's other churches right in the area.
 
2014-08-20 11:36:30 AM  

liam76: LazyMedia: In Muslim countries, they do that PA-amplified call to prayer because everybody around is a Muslim, and they use it as a way to mark what time prayers are scheduled. In multicultural places, people have wristwatches and the Internet to keep track of that

So people in Idnonesia and Egyp don't have watches, got it.


Yeah, that's exactly what I said, not "people in Indonesia and Egypt don't need to use their watches to track the times for prayer if they're in earshot of a mosque."

The Hamtramck mosque issue illustrates what I'm on about. They WEREN'T broadcasting, because they established the mosque in a multicultural area, which was becoming increasingly Muslim. Turns out it wasn't that big a deal; residents voted to amend the noise ordinance, and the city council voted unanimously to let them broadcast the adnan between 6 a.m. and 10 p.m., for no more than 5 minutes at a time. Lots of other mosques are in areas where they don't let them do that, just as many churches don't ring bells.
 
2014-08-20 11:39:05 AM  

MooseBayou: Obama thinks the Muslim call to prayer is the most beautiful thing he's ever heard.

But then, this is what he starts with.
[i.imgur.com image 580x717]


what?

i don't even
 
2014-08-20 11:41:01 AM  

Tom_Slick: The traffic argument is a legitimate complaint against any proposed house of worship from any religion. I've seen huge churches built on 2 lane roads that absolutely choke traffic in the area 3 days a week.  (Wednesday Evenings, Saturdays and Sundays) When they city or county ask for money from the house of worship to improve the road, they always scream "Persecution" guess what, around here anyway, the county makes Wal Mart pay for traffic improvements your church needs to do the same.


That's just a matter of controlling how big the church building can be. You only get that with mega-churches. Also, having roads choked with traffic twice a day is normal in most of America anywhere near a major city.
 
2014-08-20 11:41:43 AM  

Mr.Tangent: AMURIKA!


What F'd up country are you from?
 
2014-08-20 11:44:46 AM  

Clemkadidlefark: Islam is not a religion. It is a violent theocracy.

Like Democrats


Progressive Liberal Democrats and Muslims believe in very similar Ideology
 
2014-08-20 11:46:26 AM  

mschwenk: liam76: Bendal: There have been several lawsuits aimed at them to cut down the noise, and every single time the churches claim it is part of their belief system to distribute the sermons to the broadest possible audience, and so far the courts have refused to stop them from doing it.

If I won the lottery I would move there just to blast death metal at the same volume whenever they tried to do anything quiet.

Good suggestion for the neighborhood. If they have the right to broadcast service at 7 am you have the right to broadcast music at them.

Might I suggest directional speakers similar to LRAD? Definately something you can build.


I just pull my PA out of the basement and aim the speakers at the offending AME Zion "Temple" megachurch that's a few hundred yards away from my house when they have their ridiculously loud outdoor events in the summer.  I prefer to program heavily from my Zappa collection.

They are shiatty neighbors, but all the lying, parking in people's private driveways, violations of land use rules, etc. are all good, because they are doing the Lord's Work.

Fark you.  You guys are just the Worst.
 
2014-08-20 11:48:02 AM  

liam76: LazyMedia: In Muslim countries, they do that PA-amplified call to prayer because everybody around is a Muslim, and they use it as a way to mark what time prayers are scheduled. In multicultural places, people have wristwatches and the Internet to keep track of that

So people in Idnonesia and Egyp don't have watches, got it.

Is this place not multicultural?


brimed03: So another community of scared, misinformed white people outs itself? Hmph.

Another misinformed farker tripping overhismelf to call white people racist.


That mosque in Michigan is the exception, not the rule.  I was a practicing Muslim for nearly 30 years and had the opportunity to pray at numerous mosques.  I have yet to encounter one in the US that broadcasts its Adhan over a loudspeaker as is done in some Middle Eastern countries..  The one you reference in the article is literally the first one I've encountered.  In most cases, the imam stands at the door and recites the Adhan.  If you're 50 feet away, you can't hear it.
 
2014-08-20 11:49:02 AM  
Fark is always fascinating. If only the muslims had been christians, the entire nature of the posts would be reversed.
 
2014-08-20 11:49:07 AM  

Deucednuisance: mschwenk: liam76: Bendal: There have been several lawsuits aimed at them to cut down the noise, and every single time the churches claim it is part of their belief system to distribute the sermons to the broadest possible audience, and so far the courts have refused to stop them from doing it.

If I won the lottery I would move there just to blast death metal at the same volume whenever they tried to do anything quiet.

Good suggestion for the neighborhood. If they have the right to broadcast service at 7 am you have the right to broadcast music at them.

Might I suggest directional speakers similar to LRAD? Definately something you can build.

I just pull my PA out of the basement and aim the speakers at the offending AME Zion "Temple" megachurch that's a few hundred yards away from my house when they have their ridiculously loud outdoor events in the summer.   I prefer to program heavily from my Zappa collection.

They are shiatty neighbors, but all the lying, parking in people's private driveways, violations of land use rules, etc. are all good, because they are doing the Lord's Work.

Fark you.  You guys are just the Worst.



I like the cut of your jib.
 
2014-08-20 11:49:07 AM  

karnal: Clemkadidlefark: Islam is not a religion. It is a violent theocracy.

Like Democrats

Progressive Liberal Democrats and Muslims believe in very similar Ideology


Lulz.  The projection is blinding.
 
2014-08-20 11:50:18 AM  

naughtyrev: I've lived across the street from a mosque for about 5 years. Not once have I ever had a concern about noise - never hear a peep from them. What I do have, however, is lots of peaceful people going to and from their place of worship throughout the day which has a nice effect of having lots of eyes on the neighborhood to keep crime down in an area that has lots of burglaries elsewhere.


Your positive spin is... positive.

But if you lived in a neighborhood that you liked exactly the way it is, would it matte if it were a Mosque or a Walmart they wanted to build?

You might just protest at the public meeting just as hard equally.
 
2014-08-20 11:51:05 AM  

BitwiseShift: Perhaps they now get down to banning Arabic words and what they represent like alcohol and algebra, which are also too noisy, make traffic hell, and aren't good for children.


These are people who don't recognize each other at the liquor store and think book larnin' comes from the Devil.
 
2014-08-20 11:55:18 AM  

karnal: Clemkadidlefark: Islam is not a religion. It is a violent theocracy.

Like Democrats

Progressive Liberal Democrats and Muslims believe in very similar Ideology


Oh lookee here.  It's tweedleherp and tweedlederp.

i818.photobucket.com
 
2014-08-20 11:55:51 AM  

Stile4aly: liam76: LazyMedia: In Muslim countries, they do that PA-amplified call to prayer because everybody around is a Muslim, and they use it as a way to mark what time prayers are scheduled. In multicultural places, people have wristwatches and the Internet to keep track of that

So people in Idnonesia and Egyp don't have watches, got it.

Is this place not multicultural?


brimed03: So another community of scared, misinformed white people outs itself? Hmph.

Another misinformed farker tripping overhismelf to call white people racist.

That mosque in Michigan is the exception, not the rule.  I was a practicing Muslim for nearly 30 years and had the opportunity to pray at numerous mosques.  I have yet to encounter one in the US that broadcasts its Adhan over a loudspeaker as is done in some Middle Eastern countries..  The one you reference in the article is literally the first one I've encountered.  In most cases, the imam stands at the door and recites the Adhan.  If you're 50 feet away, you can't hear it.


Like Dearborn, Hamtramck is basically a suburb of Baghdad, so that probably has something to do with it. The people who raised a big fuss about them broadcasting were mostly Free Republic readers from other states.
 
2014-08-20 11:57:05 AM  

Diogenes: karnal: Clemkadidlefark: Islam is not a religion. It is a violent theocracy.

Like Democrats

Progressive Liberal Democrats and Muslims believe in very similar Ideology

Lulz.  The projection is blinding.


Here's a little blinding light for you:

Several months ago every single Democrat in Florida voted to force Sharia Law on the people of Florida.  Democrats voted to force this on American citizens. If they had the necessary numbers in the Florida legislature, Sharia Law would be used in Florida courts.

Remember that when it is time to vote.
 
2014-08-20 11:58:05 AM  

Headso: you're the only one claiming there's going to be a blaring call to prayer waking people up at 530, everyone else is citing traffic congestion like Muslims are actually going to be there enmasse 5 times a day 7 days a week because bigots can't fathom that Muslims in America are as devout as your typical Christian or Jew and will only be there once a week.


No, I am the one calling you out for not being able to see that the same zoning issues are faced by other houses of worship, and that there are differences between churches and mosques.

Stile4aly: That mosque in Michigan is the exception, not the rule.


Yeah, there were other mosques in the article that did and were called out.


Stile4aly: In most cases, the imam stands at the door and recites the Adhan. If you're 50 feet away, you can't hear it


If that was there plan I am sure they would be forthecoming wiht that bit of info to calm people down, absent that I woudln't want it in my neighborhood.

If a catholic church was coming and planning on building a bell tower (as this mosque had plane for aminaret) woudl you assume theyw oudl never rign the bells?
 
2014-08-20 12:01:23 PM  

doubled99: Fark is always fascinating. If only the muslims had been christians, the entire nature of the posts would be reversed.


No, I woudl still be arguing they shoudln't get special expemtion for a house of worship, and saying that the call to prayers is more annoying than church bells.


/shorter, I know what time it is, and they don't start as early.
 
2014-08-20 12:01:52 PM  

karnal: Diogenes: karnal: Clemkadidlefark: Islam is not a religion. It is a violent theocracy.

Like Democrats

Progressive Liberal Democrats and Muslims believe in very similar Ideology

Lulz.  The projection is blinding.

Here's a little blinding light for you:

Several months ago every single Democrat in Florida voted to force Sharia Law on the people of Florida.  Democrats voted to force this on American citizens. If they had the necessary numbers in the Florida legislature, Sharia Law would be used in Florida courts.

Remember that when it is time to vote.


Hurrah! It's somebody's angry uncle, in full-on email chain-letter rant mode! Sweet. Tell us some other things you "learned" from the Blaze, Gateway Pundit and Free Republic.
 
2014-08-20 12:02:08 PM  

yves0010: In these cases, I think what is there first should have to be respected. Example is if a church wants to build in a residential area. Then the church needs to respect the residents of that area and their wishes when it comes to noise and traffic. And the same goes if the church is there and a neighborhood develops around it.

My church is dealing with this a lot. The church was built 50 years ago before any houses were even thought about being built. Now there is a huge neighborhood around it and there are people who constantly complain about the church and their activities. So in this case, the people moving into this neighborhood know there was a church there and knew it would get busy around their house and choose to move there anyways. So you have no say in this matter.

In this case, since the houses are there before the mosque. The mosque should respect the concerns of the community. If that means not having the call to prayer, then the mosque will have to deal with that. If that also means having to figure out ways to respect the traffic flow and make it easier for the people of the neighborhood to freely move about their community. It is on the mosque.


start paying property taxes and then get back to us.
 
2014-08-20 12:03:43 PM  

liam76: Headso: you're the only one claiming there's going to be a blaring call to prayer waking people up at 530, everyone else is citing traffic congestion like Muslims are actually going to be there enmasse 5 times a day 7 days a week because bigots can't fathom that Muslims in America are as devout as your typical Christian or Jew and will only be there once a week.

No, I am the one calling you out for not being able to see that the same zoning issues are faced by other houses of worship, and that there are differences between churches and mosques.

Stile4aly: That mosque in Michigan is the exception, not the rule.

Yeah, there were other mosques in the article that did and were called out.


Stile4aly: In most cases, the imam stands at the door and recites the Adhan. If you're 50 feet away, you can't hear it

If that was there plan I am sure they would be forthecoming wiht that bit of info to calm people down, absent that I woudln't want it in my neighborhood.

If a catholic church was coming and planning on building a bell tower (as this mosque had plane for aminaret) woudl you assume theyw oudl never rign the bells?


They don't actually climb up in the minaret any more. That's just decoration. They're not Amish; they know about microphones and PA systems.
 
2014-08-20 12:04:57 PM  

naughtyrev: I've lived across the street from a mosque for about 5 years. Not once have I ever had a concern about noise - never hear a peep from them. What I do have, however, is lots of peaceful people going to and from their place of worship throughout the day which has a nice effect of having lots of eyes on the neighborhood to keep crime down in an area that has lots of burglaries elsewhere.


I used to live four blocks from a mosque the muezzin call to prayer got really annoying (they used a loud PA outside).  Then again, I also lived next door to a gospel church.  While the music was great, it was not so great at 7am-1PM on a Sunday.
 
2014-08-20 12:06:45 PM  

liam76: bungle_jr: naughtyrev: I've lived across the street from a mosque for about 5 years. Not once have I ever had a concern about noise - never hear a peep from them. What I do have, however, is lots of peaceful people going to and from their place of worship throughout the day which has a nice effect of having lots of eyes on the neighborhood to keep crime down in an area that has lots of burglaries elsewhere.

i've spent 3 months in saudi arabia and 3 months in iraq
granted, the prayer call towers (whatever they're called, i haven't a clue) weren't as close as across the street, but i could indeed hear them quite well most of the time...it never bothered me. it was a little bit strange, not being muslim, not living in an area with a mosque, etc, but no different to me than growing up in a small strongly-christian southern town with various church bells ringing quite loudly multiple times per day

yes...yes i know this isn't about the mosque and the calls to prayer. it's about folks not understanding, nor wanting to understand, the muslim religion nor its followers

If you understood them you would know they start as early as 0530, I doubt any churches around you were rocking out their bells that early.

Also they are asking for a variance in the number of parking spaces a non residential building would normally have in that area.

But yeah, lets pretend any opposiiton is based in discrimination.


Unfortunately the past 15 years have given people plenty of justification to assume that it is discrimination. There have been a number of mosques and other muslim centres opposed based on discrimination in recent years, most notably the Muslim cultural centre in the general vicinity of the World Trade Centre and Mofreesboro.

And you should know not to expect people to read the article on Fark.
 
2014-08-20 12:09:28 PM  

liam76: No, I am the one calling you out for not being able to see that the same zoning issues are faced by other houses of worship, and that there are differences between churches and mosques.


Same issues might have been faced but based on the fact that there are other churches there the outcome of dealing with those issues was not the same, again you're the only one concerned about the call to prayer, that wasn't cited as the problem but traffic was cited multiple times in the article.
 
2014-08-20 12:10:31 PM  

LazyMedia: They don't actually climb up in the minaret any more. That's just decoration. They're not Amish; they know about microphones and PA systems


I wasn't trying to imply they would climb up, just that they would have speakers there.
 
2014-08-20 12:12:03 PM  
Why can't people be honest like Steven from Australia? His honest bigotry was refreshing. Own your discriminatory practices people!
 
2014-08-20 12:13:23 PM  

liam76: LazyMedia: They don't actually climb up in the minaret any more. That's just decoration. They're not Amish; they know about microphones and PA systems

I wasn't trying to imply they would climb up, just that they would have speakers there.


Most minarets in the US are mere architectural features, they are not used for broadcasting the Adhan.  It simply isn't done at the vast majority of US mosques.
 
2014-08-20 12:15:38 PM  
When the first mosques were built, nobody had clocks let alone smart phones.  The call to prayer would be freaking important.  Nowadays if you can't find your own way to prayers on time, well you might be a pretty slack Muslim.
 
2014-08-20 12:20:57 PM  

Headso: liam76: No, I am the one calling you out for not being able to see that the same zoning issues are faced by other houses of worship, and that there are differences between churches and mosques.

Same issues might have been faced but based on the fact that there are other churches there the outcome of dealing with those issues was not the same,


So you know the date all the other houses of worship in the area were built?

You know exactly what type of zoning area they were built on?

Do you know if the other houses of worship had the requirment for paved parking waved as they requested?

Or are you just making shiat up again?


Headso: again you're the only one concerned about the call to prayer, that wasn't cited as the problem but traffic was cited multiple times in the article


Don't pretend you are arguing from the article now, you clearly didn't read it.
Also if you could read the thread people have offered up other articles, and there is this thing called google, but hey why do that when you can sit there and cry racism.
 
2014-08-20 12:21:57 PM  

No Such Agency: When the first mosques were built, nobody had clocks let alone smart phones.  The call to prayer would be freaking important.  Nowadays if you can't find your own way to prayers on time, well you might be a pretty slack Muslim.


I wish I thought of the smartphone app for that...
 
2014-08-20 12:25:06 PM  

karnal: Diogenes: karnal: Clemkadidlefark: Islam is not a religion. It is a violent theocracy.

Like Democrats

Progressive Liberal Democrats and Muslims believe in very similar Ideology

Lulz.  The projection is blinding.

Here's a little blinding light for you:

Several months ago every single Democrat in Florida voted to force Sharia Law on the people of Florida.  Democrats voted to force this on American citizens. If they had the necessary numbers in the Florida legislature, Sharia Law would be used in Florida courts.

Remember that when it is time to vote.


<citationNeeded>
please.
 
2014-08-20 12:26:27 PM  

No Such Agency: When the first mosques were built, nobody had clocks let alone smart phones.  The call to prayer would be freaking important.  Nowadays if you can't find your own way to prayers on time, well you might be a pretty slack Muslim.


An electronics engineer I worked with once had a setting on his laptop that did the call to prayer. The first time I heard it was in our assembly lab. I was the only one in there and I'll admit to being just a little freaked out until I figured out what was going on.
 
2014-08-20 12:29:11 PM  

Stile4aly: Most minarets in the US are mere architectural features, they are not used for broadcasting the Adhan. It simply isn't done at the vast majority of US mosques


I would take that from an expert on Islam who was well traveled in the US. Not from a guy who insists that Mohommad wasn't a warlord.
 
2014-08-20 12:29:37 PM  

liam76: So you know


liam76: You know


liam76: Do you know


liam76: Or are you just making shiat up again?


heh, like the call to prayer being blared at 530 AM and waking everyone up?

liam76: Don't pretend you are arguing from the article now, you clearly didn't read it.


I read it enough to know your call to prayer concerns are total bullshiat and have nothing to do with this case. The bigots suggested it was a traffic issue, being Muslims make up less than a half of one percent of our population I'm sure it's totally realistic that this is a real problem.
 
2014-08-20 12:33:15 PM  
After the latest Muslim beheading video, who could blame em
 
2014-08-20 12:34:24 PM  

Diogenes: This is about a 1/2 mile from my house (I live in Dr. Phillips).

Traffic from the new Trader Joe's, new restaurant/shopping/entertainment complex, etc. doesn't seem to bother them.  And don't even try to get in and out of this neighborhood during the Bay Hill Invitational.  And we're adding new housing subdivisions all the time.

But suddenly traffic and "charm" are a concern.  Yeah, right.

I will say this:  They quietly demolished a church to put up that new Trader Joe's.  So there is a bit of consistency to their lie that it's "not about a mosque."


Now if you read TFA, you'll see that it's not about any specific religion: They're equally against all religions and consistently in favor of sales tax revenues.
 
2014-08-20 12:36:19 PM  

Headso: The bigots suggested it was a traffic issue, being Muslims make up less than a half of one percent of our population I'm sure it's totally realistic that this is a real problem


Yep, it is bigots that make up zoning laws and how much parking for a building designed to hold x number of people requires.


Complete bigotry, just like acknowledging the muslims call to prayers are often accompanied by loudspeakers.
 
2014-08-20 12:38:39 PM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: Now if you read TFA, you'll see that it's not about any specific religion: They're equally against all religions and consistently in favor of sales tax revenues


Nope, Headso has them figured out.

Pure bigotry.

Muslims only make up less than a half of one percent of our population so there could be no traffic problem.
 
2014-08-20 12:44:17 PM  

liam76: Headso: The bigots suggested it was a traffic issue, being Muslims make up less than a half of one percent of our population I'm sure it's totally realistic that this is a real problem

Yep, it is bigots that make up zoning laws and how much parking for a building designed to hold x number of people requires.


Complete bigotry, just like acknowledging the muslims call to prayers are often accompanied by loudspeakers.


uh, I know me pointing out that you are not citing their actual "concerns" and just making stuff up is a touchy subject but they were suggesting the roads couldn't handle the traffic, not that there wouldn't be enough parking ;)
 
2014-08-20 12:59:45 PM  

karnal: Diogenes: karnal: Clemkadidlefark: Islam is not a religion. It is a violent theocracy.

Like Democrats

Progressive Liberal Democrats and Muslims believe in very similar Ideology

Lulz.  The projection is blinding.

Here's a little blinding light for you:

Several months ago every single Democrat in Florida voted to force Sharia Law on the people of Florida.  Democrats voted to force this on American citizens. If they had the necessary numbers in the Florida legislature, Sharia Law would be used in Florida courts.

Remember that when it is time to vote.


And what precisely are you referring to?  Care to provide a source?

I suspect you're just being dishonest to the core, once again.  At least you're consistent.  Consistently wrong and worthless.
 
2014-08-20 01:03:22 PM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: Diogenes: This is about a 1/2 mile from my house (I live in Dr. Phillips).

Traffic from the new Trader Joe's, new restaurant/shopping/entertainment complex, etc. doesn't seem to bother them.  And don't even try to get in and out of this neighborhood during the Bay Hill Invitational.  And we're adding new housing subdivisions all the time.

But suddenly traffic and "charm" are a concern.  Yeah, right.

I will say this:  They quietly demolished a church to put up that new Trader Joe's.  So there is a bit of consistency to their lie that it's "not about a mosque."

Now if you read TFA, you'll see that it's not about any specific religion: They're equally against all religions and consistently in favor of sales tax revenues.


I'm not arguing for or against it.  But what I will say it's that's a very convenient excuse and provides nice, legal cover for bigotry.

I'll have to look up what votes Teresa Jacobs took against these other churches.  And I don't get your sales tax part at all.  But it's true that she's a whore for whomever waives some money at her.  That woman is worthless.
 
2014-08-20 01:06:47 PM  

Bendal: Around here in NC the problem isn't mosques, but Christian churches that broadcast their services over loudspeakers outside of the building. There have been several lawsuits aimed at them to cut down the noise, and every single time the churches claim it is part of their belief system to distribute the sermons to the broadest possible audience, and so far the courts have refused to stop them from doing it. Their neighbors are justifiably upset; some of the subdivisions around these churches were there first, others came in afterwards, but every time the courts rule on the church's side and they keep blaring their sermons outside the buildings.

/thankful that one of those isn't nearby my house
//my wife would probably be in jail by now if they were


I'd go to the judges house with a loud speaker and stand in the middle of the road (not his property) and, read bible verses for an hour every morning.
 
2014-08-20 01:07:55 PM  

karnal: Several months ago every single Democrat in Florida voted to force Sharia Law on the people of Florida. Democrats voted to force this on American citizens. If they had the necessary numbers in the Florida legislature, Sharia Law would be used in Florida courts.


Oh, this oughta be good.  *gets popcorn*

/btw, you forgot to leave "democrats" uncapitalized
 
2014-08-20 01:09:44 PM  

Headso: uh, I know me pointing out that you are not citing their actual "concerns"


So you don't get what zoning laws are?

I can get that clicking on links int he thread and reading them is beyond you, as you cound't even read the article, but do you really not understand zoning laws?


eh, fark it, I am talking with a guy who thinks that since muslims "make up less than a half of one percent of our population" that they can never cause traffic problems.
 
2014-08-20 01:11:10 PM  
I'm not waiting for karnal's typically lazy and dishonest spin.  Here y'all go:

'Florida Democrats just voted to impose Sharia law on women,' bloggers say

Summary:
static.politifact.com.s3.amazonaws.com
 
2014-08-20 01:12:41 PM  

karnal: Several months ago every single Democrat in Florida voted to force Sharia Law on the people of Florida.


i260.photobucket.com
 
2014-08-20 01:16:01 PM  

Pants full of macaroni!!: karnal: Several months ago every single Democrat in Florida voted to force Sharia Law on the people of Florida. Democrats voted to force this on American citizens. If they had the necessary numbers in the Florida legislature, Sharia Law would be used in Florida courts.

Oh, this oughta be good.  *gets popcorn*

/btw, you forgot to leave "democrats" uncapitalized


He's referring to some nonsense that a particularly herptastic RWNJ blogger spread around this spring. Not surprisingly, it's a complete pack of lies.

/If you trust those well-known libtard Fartbongo worshippers at Politifact
 
2014-08-20 01:17:44 PM  

Diogenes: karnal: Diogenes: karnal: Clemkadidlefark: Islam is not a religion. It is a violent theocracy.

Like Democrats

Progressive Liberal Democrats and Muslims believe in very similar Ideology

Lulz.  The projection is blinding.

Here's a little blinding light for you:

Several months ago every single Democrat in Florida voted to force Sharia Law on the people of Florida.  Democrats voted to force this on American citizens. If they had the necessary numbers in the Florida legislature, Sharia Law would be used in Florida courts.

Remember that when it is time to vote.

And what precisely are you referring to?  Care to provide a source?

I suspect you're just being dishonest to the core, once again.  At least you're consistent.  Consistently wrong and worthless.


Source
 
2014-08-20 01:20:56 PM  

karnal: Source



WesternJournalism.com
WesternJournalism.com is a blogging platform built for conservative, libertarian, free market and pro-family writers and broadcasters by the Western Center for Journalism (WCJ).

Uh huh.

Back on ignore you go.  You're just wasting my time.
 
2014-08-20 01:22:28 PM  

Diogenes: I'm not waiting for karnal's typically lazy and dishonest spin.  Here y'all go:

'Florida Democrats just voted to impose Sharia law on women,' bloggers say

Summary:
[static.politifact.com.s3.amazonaws.com image 120x107]


Florida Democrats are so stupid they simply voted their party line.....The bill is now in the Florida House of Representatives as HB 903, and is listed as "pending."
 
2014-08-20 01:27:46 PM  

karnal: zOMG it's the Scary Mooselimbs!


The only people pushing Shari'a law on anyone in the US are the Barefoot and Pregnant Brigade in the Republican Party.

/AKA the Kinder, Küche, Kirche Korps
 
2014-08-20 01:32:27 PM  

Diogenes: karnal: Source


WesternJournalism.com
WesternJournalism.com is a blogging platform built for conservative, libertarian, free market and pro-family writers and broadcasters by the Western Center for Journalism (WCJ).

Uh huh.

Back on ignore you go.  You're just wasting my time.


Oh brave Sir Robin.
 
2014-08-20 01:33:53 PM  

liam76: Complete bigotry, just like acknowledging the muslims call to prayers are often accompanied by loudspeakers.


Then why is it you can produce only one article describing the use of loudspeakers in a mosque in the US?  There are a handful in Michigan that do this, yet nearly no other mosque in the country does.  I would think, given the way the right wing amplifies even the smallest expression of Islam into a national danger that if this were a widespread or growing  phenomenon that there would be no shortage of articles, even from biased sources.
 
2014-08-20 01:44:26 PM  

karnal: Diogenes: karnal: Source


WesternJournalism.com
WesternJournalism.com is a blogging platform built for conservative, libertarian, free market and pro-family writers and broadcasters by the Western Center for Journalism (WCJ).

Uh huh.

Back on ignore you go.  You're just wasting my time.

Oh brave Sir Robin.


Puhlease.  Give us something worthy of our time and effort.

No skin off my nose if you choose to believe my boredom is actually fear.  It certainly wouldn't be the first delusion you've suffered under.  Whatever gets you through the day, sport!
 
2014-08-20 01:51:18 PM  

karnal: Diogenes: karnal: Diogenes: karnal: Clemkadidlefark: Islam is not a religion. It is a violent theocracy.

Like Democrats

Progressive Liberal Democrats and Muslims believe in very similar Ideology

Lulz.  The projection is blinding.

Here's a little blinding light for you:

Several months ago every single Democrat in Florida voted to force Sharia Law on the people of Florida.  Democrats voted to force this on American citizens. If they had the necessary numbers in the Florida legislature, Sharia Law would be used in Florida courts.

Remember that when it is time to vote.

And what precisely are you referring to?  Care to provide a source?

I suspect you're just being dishonest to the core, once again.  At least you're consistent.  Consistently wrong and worthless.

Source


Way to back up your idiocy with a source AFTER two posters have already pointed out that your source was thorougly debunked. Or do you really think that "allowing judges to refer to non-U.S. legal doctrines in civil-court rulings if those apply to the case AND DO NOT CONTRADICT U.S. POLICY" = "imposing Sharia law on women"? Let me break that down more simply: Are you merely overly credulous, or actually mentally deficient?
 
2014-08-20 01:53:13 PM  

karnal: Several months ago every single Democrat in Florida voted to force Sharia Law on the people of Florida.  Democrats voted to force this on American citizens. If they had the necessary numbers in the Florida legislature, Sharia Law would be used in Florida courts.

Remember that when it is time to vote.


Let me adjust my tin foil hat first.

Frankly, I'd be more worried about the major part of SCOTUS following Canon Law. As Republican appointees, remembering that when it's time to vote may not be something you'd want to promote.

And Florida, and so Texas, was once part of Spain, there is the legacy of a religious test for citizenship, marriage, inheritance. From the same people who brought you Canon Law, the Inquisition, and Teresa Jacobs, a nice Catholic girl. (says the link at about 4:12 pm in the live blog of the meeting.)

At least they kept a kind of marriage and inheritance religious test for to torture teh gheys. Nice touch.  Florida just sent us their hanging chad lawyer to keep Rick Perry from frying. So there's that.
 
2014-08-20 01:58:13 PM  

LazyMedia: Are you merely overly credulous, or actually mentally deficient?


Lazy and dishonest.  It's how I have him farkied.
 
2014-08-20 02:03:30 PM  

Stile4aly: Then why is it you can produce only one article describing the use of loudspeakers in a mosque in the US?


Well I produced an article about it, and you then lied and pretended it was talking about only one mosque despite it clearly calling out how it was common is some parts of detroit and dearborn.

Stile4aly: There are a handful in Michigan that do this, yet nearly no other mosque in the country does.


Based on the guy who lied saying it was one after he read that mentione more than one.

Based on the guy who claims Mo wasn't a warlord.

And in case you aren't getting the theme here.
Based on a guy who has made it clear he has no credability on the issue.


I have heard it at Mosque in my neck of the woods, but that was only on Holidays. I am not saying I know for a fact how common it is, or that they werre planning on it, but unless I had assurances they absolutely wouldn't be doing it, then ti woudl be another reason for me to be against this group building a mosque there.
 
2014-08-20 02:25:05 PM  

ZAZ: In Massachusetts the city would have to negotiate, not dictate, because religious and educational buildings are exempt from zoning. I think it's a good policy. In practice, we don't have Southern-style 10,000 seat megachurches on a 2 acre lot in the middle of a subdivision.  The churchgoers are locals too and they don't want to wreck the neighborhood.


Yet.

Massachusetts may have got religion out of its system a long time ago, but the rest of the country is slowly leaking in.  If religion ever returns to Massachusetts in a big way, you will regret those exemptions.  Just ask the folks in Belmont about the Mormon temple.
 
2014-08-20 02:26:21 PM  

liam76: Stile4aly: Then why is it you can produce only one article describing the use of loudspeakers in a mosque in the US?

Well I produced an article about it, and you then lied and pretended it was talking about only one mosque despite it clearly calling out how it was common is some parts of detroit and dearborn.


I skimmed the article the first time I read it.  One sentence does mention that the practice happens in other mosques in Detroit and Dearborn, where there are large Muslim populations.  There is no mention of it happening in any other mosque in the country.

Stile4aly: There are a handful in Michigan that do this, yet nearly no other mosque in the country does.

Based on the guy who lied saying it was one after he read that mentione more than one.

Based on the guy who claims Mo wasn't a warlord.

And in case you aren't getting the theme here.
Based on a guy who has made it clear he has no credability on the issue.


Tu quoque

I have heard it at Mosque in my neck of the woods, but that was only on Holidays. I am not saying I know for a fact how common it is, or that they werre planning on it, but unless I had assurances they absolutely wouldn't be doing it, then ti woudl be another reason for me to be against this group building a mosque there.

They had a special event for a particularly holy occasion, like a church ringing bells on Christmas or Easter?  Heaven forfend!  And, let's face it, you don't need another reason to be against mosque building - your dislike of Muslims leaves you free to invent whatever reasons you wish.
 
2014-08-20 02:28:54 PM  

kindms: yves0010: In these cases, I think what is there first should have to be respected. Example is if a church wants to build in a residential area. Then the church needs to respect the residents of that area and their wishes when it comes to noise and traffic. And the same goes if the church is there and a neighborhood develops around it.

My church is dealing with this a lot. The church was built 50 years ago before any houses were even thought about being built. Now there is a huge neighborhood around it and there are people who constantly complain about the church and their activities. So in this case, the people moving into this neighborhood know there was a church there and knew it would get busy around their house and choose to move there anyways. So you have no say in this matter.

In this case, since the houses are there before the mosque. The mosque should respect the concerns of the community. If that means not having the call to prayer, then the mosque will have to deal with that. If that also means having to figure out ways to respect the traffic flow and make it easier for the people of the neighborhood to freely move about their community. It is on the mosque.

start paying property taxes and then get back to us.


LOL. Indeed. So not only do they buy residential and ask for variances they don't even pay dues to the community. No wonder zoning boards take a dim view.
 
2014-08-20 02:31:51 PM  

flondrix: ZAZ: In Massachusetts the city would have to negotiate, not dictate, because religious and educational buildings are exempt from zoning. I think it's a good policy. In practice, we don't have Southern-style 10,000 seat megachurches on a 2 acre lot in the middle of a subdivision.  The churchgoers are locals too and they don't want to wreck the neighborhood.

Yet.

Massachusetts may have got religion out of its system a long time ago, but the rest of the country is slowly leaking in.  If religion ever returns to Massachusetts in a big way, you will regret those exemptions.  Just ask the folks in Belmont about the Mormon temple.


Yeah, not more than a mile from this proposed mosque location is this enormous Mormon temple on a 2 acre lot in the middle of a subdivision.  We have friends that live in eyeshot.

sworlandoblog.com
mormontemples.net
 
2014-08-20 02:36:12 PM  

Diogenes: flondrix: ZAZ: In Massachusetts the city would have to negotiate, not dictate, because religious and educational buildings are exempt from zoning. I think it's a good policy. In practice, we don't have Southern-style 10,000 seat megachurches on a 2 acre lot in the middle of a subdivision.  The churchgoers are locals too and they don't want to wreck the neighborhood.

Yet.

Massachusetts may have got religion out of its system a long time ago, but the rest of the country is slowly leaking in.  If religion ever returns to Massachusetts in a big way, you will regret those exemptions.  Just ask the folks in Belmont about the Mormon temple.

Yeah, not more than a mile from this proposed mosque location is this enormous Mormon temple on a 2 acre lot in the middle of a subdivision.  We have friends that live in eyeshot.

[sworlandoblog.com image 731x1024]
[mormontemples.net image 733x437]


Their Freudian slip is showing.
 
2014-08-20 02:39:17 PM  
So, I went ahead and looked up "call to prayer in american mosques" to see if this is a widerspread issue than I give it credit.

The book Islam in America states that most American mosques give the adhan within the hall rather than broadcasting it.

I found 2 links to articles on the Creeping Sharia wordpress site referencing mosques in Brooklyn and Baltimore, but couldn't get more detail because my work internet filter lists it as a hate speech site, but it appears to be 2 mosques in Brooklyn and 1 in Baltimore.

And that's it in 10 pages of google results.  So, between the mosques in Michigan and these others we've probably got fewer than 10 mosques out of roughly 2100.

Clearly, this is a very serious issue worthy of our immediate attention.
 
2014-08-20 02:44:01 PM  
No matter what folks may say, there has been an escalating bias against the Muslim Religion and Mosques ever since the shiat-storm started in the 70's by Saudi Arabia and OPEC.

This has been further reinforced by global terrorist tactics and the fact that the Muslim Terrorists have no problem killing off hundreds of their own people if they don't 'believe' just right. Reminds me a bit of the IRA.

As a kid, I used to hear the church bells of a local Catholic Church ringing during the week and on Sundays. They were so distant that they didn't bug me -- but I'm quite sure the folks living within several blocks of the place were real pleased.

I'm not a fan of those big bells clanging on.

Another church on Sunday would broadcast the sound of bells from its' 'bell tower'. Presbyterian I think and it was situated in a fairly well off community. I think in later years, this disturbed the local golfers who were playing on the nearby course -- not to mention the other residents.

Through the 1950s and 60s, the city used to fire off the central fire siren to mark noon time. I lived miles away and could hear it. I think it was an old air raid siren left over from WW2.

Sometime in the late 70s it was silenced.

Many Mosques have the Call To Prayer broadcast 5 times a day. I don't know if the one in question will do this, but what was quaint and exotic 45 years ago has now become annoying, especially if it happens to be down the street from you. It also tends to trigger thoughts about what has now become a lethally violent religion in the publics minds.

We used to have an evangelistic church where they practiced the 'World On Fire' version of Christianity -- loudly. It took them 30 years of ranting and raving before they were able to move out of their ranch-like place of worship and build this huge cathedral, several stories tall, in the growing business district west of town.

Christian evangelists and I do not get along. The waving of hands, the loud preaching about hell and damnation and the often distorted views of the Bible tend to irritate me.

We have one Jewish Temple, which is one of the quietest of all. The only problem there is land constraints. When built, the Jewish community was very small, but has grown so on Holy Days, traffic can get rather intense going in and out of the place. During Christmas, they even place wreaths on the gate posts, not necessarily to honor the holiday, but to show respect for the larger Christian community.

Mine is a small town, which has grown over the years into a medium sized, crowded place. The local newspaper publishes a list of places of worship for those who choose to attend.

I was a tad surprised some years ago to discover that the list had grown from about 10 to over 150. I thought that ironic, considering we seemed to have an unusually large religious community, yet some of the most crooked and slimy businesses and city leaders in the State.

There's a Universal Church at the end of my street, blocks away. It's small and quiet -- but you kind of need to know Spanish to get along with most of the members. The minister lives in a small, nicely kept home on the grounds -- but his chickens get loose now and then and run around the yard.

Personally, while Christian, I hold to no set church or sect, but I wouldn't particularly want a House of Worship built too close to me.

BTW, years ago my city forced the late night freight trains passing through town to reduce the volume and length of their horns when approaching crossings. It seems the noise disturbed the residential areas which had grown up around the rail road over the years.
 
2014-08-20 02:50:45 PM  

Stile4aly: So, I went ahead and looked up "call to prayer in american mosques" to see if this is a widerspread issue than I give it credit.

The book Islam in America states that most American mosques give the adhan within the hall rather than broadcasting it.

I found 2 links to articles on the Creeping Sharia wordpress site referencing mosques in Brooklyn and Baltimore, but couldn't get more detail because my work internet filter lists it as a hate speech site, but it appears to be 2 mosques in Brooklyn and 1 in Baltimore.

And that's it in 10 pages of google results.  So, between the mosques in Michigan and these others we've probably got fewer than 10 mosques out of roughly 2100.

Clearly, this is a very serious issue worthy of our immediate attention.


to be fair, the bigots fighting against this mosque being built didn't suggest that was even a problem that was just some concern made up out of thin air by someone posting here.
 
2014-08-20 02:59:32 PM  

karnal: Diogenes: karnal: Clemkadidlefark: Islam is not a religion. It is a violent theocracy.

Like Democrats

Progressive Liberal Democrats and Muslims believe in very similar Ideology

Lulz.  The projection is blinding.

Here's a little blinding light for you:

Several months ago every single Democrat in Florida voted to force Sharia Law on the people of Florida.  Democrats voted to force this on American citizens. If they had the necessary numbers in the Florida legislature, Sharia Law would be used in Florida courts.

Remember that when it is time to vote.


You're a farking idiot.
 
2014-08-20 03:53:20 PM  

karnal: Diogenes: I'm not waiting for karnal's typically lazy and dishonest spin.  Here y'all go:

'Florida Democrats just voted to impose Sharia law on women,' bloggers say

Summary:
[static.politifact.com.s3.amazonaws.com image 120x107]

Florida Democrats are so stupid they simply voted their party line.....The bill is now in the Florida House of Representatives as HB 903, and is listed as "pending."


You wanna know how I know you didn't bother to read the law you're referring to?

IANAL but as far as I can tell this specifically states that if you're in FL, then FL law applies not foreign law. So if you got married in a country that prohibits divorce but happened to be in FL you could get divorced. It seems like a do-nothing clarification law since that's the way literally everybody, who isn't stupid, already determined that laws work.

I don't see how this could be construed to enforce Sharia law.
 
2014-08-20 03:53:57 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2014-08-20 03:58:18 PM  
I used to live in a town that set off the fire siren every day at noon and 6.
Didn't make any difference that everyone nowadays had access to the proper time.

/I don't know anyone who's a fan of unnecessary noise
 
2014-08-20 04:30:40 PM  

naughtyrev: I've lived across the street from a mosque for about 5 years. Not once have I ever had a concern about noise - never hear a peep from them. What I do have, however, is lots of peaceful people going to and from their place of worship throughout the day which has a nice effect of having lots of eyes on the neighborhood to keep crime down in an area that has lots of burglaries elsewhere.


Sounds rather like Heaven on Earth.
 
2014-08-20 04:34:32 PM  

brimed03: MooseBayou: Obama thinks the Muslim call to prayer is the most beautiful thing he's ever heard.

But then, this is what he starts with.
[i.imgur.com image 580x717]

Like I said in 1.another Ferguson thread, these threads are awesome for flushing out the trolls who try to be more subtle in other threads. Makes it easier to 2. -  add them to my Ignore list and thereby improve my Fark Experience (tm).


1. - This wasn't a Ferguson thread.

2. - I thought you did that already.  So add me, already.

You consistently engage posters, and never the subject matter at hand.  Very brave.  How's the view from up there?

I never "ignore" anybody, you Facebook baby.  Ignore me at the risk and detriment of your general enlightenment.

/derogatory term not in compliance with FARK filters or compliance rules
 
2014-08-20 04:49:04 PM  

rwdavis: karnal: Diogenes: I'm not waiting for karnal's typically lazy and dishonest spin.  Here y'all go:

'Florida Democrats just voted to impose Sharia law on women,' bloggers say

Summary:
[static.politifact.com.s3.amazonaws.com image 120x107]

Florida Democrats are so stupid they simply voted their party line.....The bill is now in the Florida House of Representatives as HB 903, and is listed as "pending."

You wanna know how I know you didn't bother to read the law you're referring to?

IANAL but as far as I can tell this specifically states that if you're in FL, then FL law applies not foreign law. So if you got married in a country that prohibits divorce but happened to be in FL you could get divorced. It seems like a do-nothing clarification law since that's the way literally everybody, who isn't stupid, already determined that laws work.

I don't see how this could be construed to enforce Sharia law.


You're not hitting your head with the cinderblock hard enough, silly.
 
2014-08-20 04:56:08 PM  

karnal: Diogenes: karnal: Diogenes: karnal: Clemkadidlefark: Islam is not a religion. It is a violent theocracy.

Like Democrats

Progressive Liberal Democrats and Muslims believe in very similar Ideology

Lulz.  The projection is blinding.

Here's a little blinding light for you:

Several months ago every single Democrat in Florida voted to force Sharia Law on the people of Florida.  Democrats voted to force this on American citizens. If they had the necessary numbers in the Florida legislature, Sharia Law would be used in Florida courts.

Remember that when it is time to vote.

And what precisely are you referring to?  Care to provide a source?

I suspect you're just being dishonest to the core, once again.  At least you're consistent.  Consistently wrong and worthless.

Source


You're a farking dishonest bigot.

That vote was on a conservative republican sponsored bill to forbid the reference to ANY foreign law by Florida judges to settle marriage and custody cases ONLY, and ONLY in cases where the jurisdiction is split between the US and another country.

All Dems vote no.

All Thugs vote yes.

Thug press turns it into "OMG Dems Vote For Sharia Law!"

I won't even pretend to understand what the original ulterior motive of the original bill was, but I wouldn't be surprised if the entire thing was a stunt so that this accusation could be made.

Dems aren't angels, I have a list of grievances against them too, but the GOP is controlled by lying, scheming bigoted fraudulent kleptomaniac assholes who have no intention of governing for anyone except themselves and their xenophobic paymasters, and certainly don't practice anything even close to Democracy, direct or representative.

And you prove it over and over again with stunts and lies like this one.

Your lie is outed, naked and shivering and you're still claiming it's true.  Go the fark away.
 
2014-08-20 05:28:39 PM  

Stile4aly: I skimmed the article the first time I read it. One sentence does mention that the practice happens in other mosques in Detroit and Dearborn, where there are large Muslim populations.


And you dishonestly said it was only one mosque.


Stile4aly: Tu quoque


You claimed to be an expert based on your experience. When in fact you have a record of not only not knowing what you are talking about this subject (Mo not a warlord, this isn't done in America), after proof it is done in America in more than one place you lie about it.

Stile4aly: They had a special event for a particularly holy occasion, like a church ringing bells on Christmas or Easter? Heaven forfend!


No, idea. I just mention that it was during a holiday because I didn't want to be like you and lie to support my argument.

And for the record this place has no houses near it, so Ackbur on. Anyone whining when they are driving is an asshat.

Stile4aly: And, let's face it, you don't need another reason to be against mosque building - your dislike of Muslims leaves you free to invent whatever reasons you wish


Your inability to have an adult conversation about Muslims doesn't mean I am against mosque building.
 
2014-08-20 05:30:43 PM  

rwdavis: karnal: Diogenes: I'm not waiting for karnal's typically lazy and dishonest spin.  Here y'all go:

'Florida Democrats just voted to impose Sharia law on women,' bloggers say

Summary:
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Florida Democrats are so stupid they simply voted their party line.....The bill is now in the Florida House of Representatives as HB 903, and is listed as "pending."

You wanna know how I know you didn't bother to read the law you're referring to?

IANAL but as far as I can tell this specifically states that if you're in FL, then FL law applies not foreign law. So if you got married in a country that prohibits divorce but happened to be in FL you could get divorced. It seems like a do-nothing clarification law since that's the way literally everybody, who isn't stupid, already determined that laws work.

I don't see how this could be construed to enforce Sharia law.


It doesn't even do that. At most it codifies current case law. And specifically allows for the use of sharia law as it is currently used.
 
2014-08-20 05:50:00 PM  

liam76: Stile4aly: I skimmed the article the first time I read it. One sentence does mention that the practice happens in other mosques in Detroit and Dearborn, where there are large Muslim populations.

And you dishonestly said it was only one mosque.


Making an error and lying are two different things.

Stile4aly: Tu quoque

You claimed to be an expert based on your experience. When in fact you have a record of not only not knowing what you are talking about this subject (Mo not a warlord, this isn't done in America), after proof it is done in America in more than one place you lie about it.


Actually, no.  I went ahead and did some basic research on the topic and could only find perhaps 10 mosques in the US that are known to broadcast their Adhan.  All you've done is insinuate that the existence of one news article means that it's a widespread problem.
 
2014-08-20 06:14:33 PM  

liam76: Mo not a warlord


You really seem hung up about this.  I'm left wondering where we argued about it because it really seems to have stuck in your craw.
 
2014-08-20 08:50:50 PM  

Bendal: Around here in NC the problem isn't mosques, but Christian churches that broadcast their services over loudspeakers outside of the building. There have been several lawsuits aimed at them to cut down the noise, and every single time the churches claim it is part of their belief system to distribute the sermons to the broadest possible audience, and so far the courts have refused to stop them from doing it. Their neighbors are justifiably upset; some of the subdivisions around these churches were there first, others came in afterwards, but every time the courts rule on the church's side and they keep blaring their sermons outside the buildings.

/thankful that one of those isn't nearby my house
//my wife would probably be in jail by now if they were


Challenge accepted. Start with pink noise through P.A. horns pointing straight at the church's speakers, then set up a feedback loop - point a directional microphone at their speakers, put it through a delay loop of say, half a second, and mix that with the pink noise.

Either that or fire up some death metal.

/ Sure, it'll annoy the neighbors
// but they're already annoyed, whaddya got to lose?
 
2014-08-20 09:03:07 PM  

Diogenes: flondrix: ZAZ: In Massachusetts the city would have to negotiate, not dictate, because religious and educational buildings are exempt from zoning. I think it's a good policy. In practice, we don't have Southern-style 10,000 seat megachurches on a 2 acre lot in the middle of a subdivision.  The churchgoers are locals too and they don't want to wreck the neighborhood.

Yet.

Massachusetts may have got religion out of its system a long time ago, but the rest of the country is slowly leaking in.  If religion ever returns to Massachusetts in a big way, you will regret those exemptions.  Just ask the folks in Belmont about the Mormon temple.

Yeah, not more than a mile from this proposed mosque location is this enormous Mormon temple on a 2 acre lot in the middle of a subdivision.  We have friends that live in eyeshot.

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Does anyone use those spires for target practice?
 
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