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(Orlando Sentinel)   Residents successfully oppose construction of mosque in their neighborhood because "praying and chanting five times a day would be a violation of the noise ordinance"   (orlandosentinel.com) divider line 173
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2014-08-20 08:32:11 AM  
Sounds legit.
 
2014-08-20 08:48:13 AM  
Church bells @ 0700 blow.

Prayers @ 0530 are a farking nightmare.
 
2014-08-20 08:53:46 AM  
I've lived across the street from a mosque for about 5 years. Not once have I ever had a concern about noise - never hear a peep from them. What I do have, however, is lots of peaceful people going to and from their place of worship throughout the day which has a nice effect of having lots of eyes on the neighborhood to keep crime down in an area that has lots of burglaries elsewhere.
 
2014-08-20 09:13:10 AM  
This is about a 1/2 mile from my house (I live in Dr. Phillips).

Traffic from the new Trader Joe's, new restaurant/shopping/entertainment complex, etc. doesn't seem to bother them.  And don't even try to get in and out of this neighborhood during the Bay Hill Invitational.  And we're adding new housing subdivisions all the time.

But suddenly traffic and "charm" are a concern.  Yeah, right.

I will say this:  They quietly demolished a church to put up that new Trader Joe's.  So there is a bit of consistency to their lie that it's "not about a mosque."
 
2014-08-20 09:19:11 AM  

naughtyrev: I've lived across the street from a mosque for about 5 years. Not once have I ever had a concern about noise - never hear a peep from them. What I do have, however, is lots of peaceful people going to and from their place of worship throughout the day which has a nice effect of having lots of eyes on the neighborhood to keep crime down in an area that has lots of burglaries elsewhere.


I have never known a mosque not to broadcast Adhan. Must be very progressive, where is it?
 
2014-08-20 09:20:45 AM  

liam76: naughtyrev: I've lived across the street from a mosque for about 5 years. Not once have I ever had a concern about noise - never hear a peep from them. What I do have, however, is lots of peaceful people going to and from their place of worship throughout the day which has a nice effect of having lots of eyes on the neighborhood to keep crime down in an area that has lots of burglaries elsewhere.

I have never known a mosque not to broadcast Adhan. Must be very progressive, where is it?


Chicago, in a quasi-residential area.
 
2014-08-20 09:21:00 AM  

Diogenes: This is about a 1/2 mile from my house (I live in Dr. Phillips).


The article was pretty sparse. Did they mention in local coverage if the mosque would or would nto be allwoed to broadcast the call to prayers?
 
2014-08-20 09:32:47 AM  

liam76: Diogenes: This is about a 1/2 mile from my house (I live in Dr. Phillips).

The article was pretty sparse. Did they mention in local coverage if the mosque would or would nto be allwoed to broadcast the call to prayers?


From my reading (local community papers, etc.) it will.  It's supposed to be fully operational, for lack of a better term.  Description of the architecture sounded interesting.  Hard to picture it, but it sounded rather modern.

I'll see if I can find an online copy.  It too, though, was rather sparse.  They're keeping some of the locals' more 'colorful' comments muted.
 
2014-08-20 09:36:05 AM  
Here you go, guys.  This gives you a more specific idea of the location, dimensions, zoning, etc. etc.

     Up Against a Difficult Opposition:  Proposed Palm Lake mosque concerns neighbors

Very, very wealthy people in Bay Hill.  Definitely going to make it rough on the mosque proponents.
 
2014-08-20 09:59:44 AM  
People are trying to block rezoning for a proposed Walmart in my area using the same excuses. They're really just trying to oppress the religion of "Save money. Live better.". Bigots.
 
2014-08-20 10:03:18 AM  

naughtyrev: I've lived across the street from a mosque for about 5 years. Not once have I ever had a concern about noise - never hear a peep from them. What I do have, however, is lots of peaceful people going to and from their place of worship throughout the day which has a nice effect of having lots of eyes on the neighborhood to keep crime down in an area that has lots of burglaries elsewhere.


It's almost like the neighbors' protests weren't actually about the noise, huh?
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2014-08-20 10:03:44 AM  
In Massachusetts the city would have to negotiate, not dictate, because religious and educational buildings are exempt from zoning. I think it's a good policy. In practice, we don't have Southern-style 10,000 seat megachurches on a 2 acre lot in the middle of a subdivision.  The churchgoers are locals too and they don't want to wreck the neighborhood.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2014-08-20 10:05:55 AM  
naughtyrev

When I was in college a gaming group got some heat from the administration because weird people were in classrooms after hours. The group got support from campus police bceause those weird people were harmless and they kept an eye out for people who would make trouble. In the end, the gaming group got official permission to be there.
 
2014-08-20 10:06:21 AM  
I'd like to have prevented church going up in our residential zoned neighbourhood.

I've never seen anyone reside in a church... and traffic is awful.
 
2014-08-20 10:08:02 AM  
Here I come, Constantinople.

/Love me some Residents
 
2014-08-20 10:09:22 AM  
should probably pass laws to make religious institutions to pay taxes on their income while they're at it.  Way too much potential abuse for tax evasion.  Could bring criminal elements to your area.
 
2014-08-20 10:09:34 AM  

Diogenes: This is about a 1/2 mile from my house (I live in Dr. Phillips).


Along with 10,980 other people. Poor man must feel so bloated.

/luckily Dr. Phillips takes his colon health seriously
 
2014-08-20 10:11:06 AM  
media.boingboing.net
 
2014-08-20 10:11:55 AM  

naughtyrev: I've lived across the street from a mosque for about 5 years. Not once have I ever had a concern about noise - never hear a peep from them. What I do have, however, is lots of peaceful people going to and from their place of worship throughout the day which has a nice effect of having lots of eyes on the neighborhood to keep crime down in an area that has lots of burglaries elsewhere.


i've spent 3 months in saudi arabia and 3 months in iraq
granted, the prayer call towers (whatever they're called, i haven't a clue) weren't as close as across the street, but i could indeed hear them quite well most of the time...it never bothered me. it was a little bit strange, not being muslim, not living in an area with a mosque, etc, but no different to me than growing up in a small strongly-christian southern town with various church bells ringing quite loudly multiple times per day

yes...yes i know this isn't about the mosque and the calls to prayer. it's about folks not understanding, nor wanting to understand, the muslim religion nor its followers
 
2014-08-20 10:12:18 AM  

liam76: naughtyrev: I've lived across the street from a mosque for about 5 years. Not once have I ever had a concern about noise - never hear a peep from them. What I do have, however, is lots of peaceful people going to and from their place of worship throughout the day which has a nice effect of having lots of eyes on the neighborhood to keep crime down in an area that has lots of burglaries elsewhere.

I have never known a mosque not to broadcast Adhan. Must be very progressive, where is it?


We have a Mosque in my quiet little redneck mountain town in Maryland, that doesn't do the loudspeaker thing.  They're pretty quiet overall, most people don't know that we even have a mosque, and it's been here since 1983.
 
2014-08-20 10:13:18 AM  

Diogenes: From my reading (local community papers, etc.) it will.  It's supposed to be fully operational, for lack of a better term.  Description of the architecture sounded interesting.  Hard to picture it, but it sounded rather modern.


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2014-08-20 10:15:17 AM  
Perhaps they now get down to banning Arabic words and what they represent like alcohol and algebra, which are also too noisy, make traffic hell, and aren't good for children.
 
2014-08-20 10:15:17 AM  
"For whatever reason, religious organizations buy property that is residential in nature and ask for a variance," Brummer said. "It's a real problem."

That is the real crux of the issue summed up at the end of the article. Just as they said no to a catholic church and a synagogue
 
2014-08-20 10:15:28 AM  
when I was in YOUR coontry I hadda listen to you yammer..and it was kinda interesting

but if you really must be on your knees over here
keep yer yap shut about it
religion is a quiet, personal thing

I have to assume that there are still bipeds I would consider 'people' in florida
and people do not need to hear your religion several times a day
 
2014-08-20 10:17:53 AM  

Diogenes: liam76: Diogenes: This is about a 1/2 mile from my house (I live in Dr. Phillips).

The article was pretty sparse. Did they mention in local coverage if the mosque would or would nto be allwoed to broadcast the call to prayers?

From my reading (local community papers, etc.) it will.  It's supposed to be fully operational, for lack of a better term.  Description of the architecture sounded interesting.  Hard to picture it, but it sounded rather modern.

I'll see if I can find an online copy.  It too, though, was rather sparse.  They're keeping some of the locals' more 'colorful' comments muted.


If theyre going to broadcast thw call to prayers, fark that. Im not a big fan of church bells either.
 
2014-08-20 10:18:10 AM  

Diogenes: (I live in Dr. Phillips)


Sounds . . . painful?
 
2014-08-20 10:18:32 AM  
I remember in grade school that the church got a new electronic bell set and they went bananas with it until the neighbors got pissy about it.  There's one thing with sounding bells at noon and after weddings and other special occasions with the volume at 7 vs hourly from 7 am to 10 pm with the volume at 11 1/2.
 
2014-08-20 10:18:39 AM  
You're tempted (as am I) to think it's about being Muslim, but these old people are serious as cancer about their noise ordinances.  When I visit my parents I spend some time reading the police blotter in the Boca Breeze to see what's going down.  It's mostly noise complaints regarding construction too early/late, yard work on a non yard work day (Sunday), power tool noise at unapproved times, and illegal RV/truck parking.

These people work their whole lives so they can save up enough money to move down to Florida and live out their golden years poking into each others' business and enforcing the rules.
 
2014-08-20 10:19:14 AM  

CleanAndPure: I'd like to have prevented church going up in our residential zoned neighbourhood.

I've never seen anyone reside in a church... and traffic is awful.


Yeah, I've got one next door and while the all day Sunday traffic is bad (to be expected) the rest of the week it's a zoo as well.  It's a Hmong congregation and the building is used for every other purpose their community has, over and above worship.

I cant blame these people from TFA in the least.
 
2014-08-20 10:19:24 AM  
Around here in NC the problem isn't mosques, but Christian churches that broadcast their services over loudspeakers outside of the building. There have been several lawsuits aimed at them to cut down the noise, and every single time the churches claim it is part of their belief system to distribute the sermons to the broadest possible audience, and so far the courts have refused to stop them from doing it. Their neighbors are justifiably upset; some of the subdivisions around these churches were there first, others came in afterwards, but every time the courts rule on the church's side and they keep blaring their sermons outside the buildings.

/thankful that one of those isn't nearby my house
//my wife would probably be in jail by now if they were
 
2014-08-20 10:19:40 AM  
But the in crowd say it's cool to dig this chanting thing.
 
2014-08-20 10:20:57 AM  
Off with their heads!
 
2014-08-20 10:21:06 AM  

liam76: I have never known a mosque not to broadcast Adhan. Must be very progressive, where is it?


The one a couple blocks from my house doesn't broadcast either, but the traffic is terrible. Problem one is the intersection design. The basic traffic has outgrown what was adequate for years. The second part are The Jihadi Mothers. These are women who, I suspect, are primarily recent immigrants. The all drive minivans. They all think it is perfectly OK to stop in the traffic lanes to pick up and discharge passengers. Lanes are a somewhat challenging concept to them too. And many of them drive v-e-r-y-s-l-o-w-l-y.

It makes me want to ululate.
 
2014-08-20 10:23:27 AM  

kindms: "For whatever reason, religious organizations buy property that is residential in nature and ask for a variance," Brummer said. "It's a real problem."

That is the real crux of the issue summed up at the end of the article. Just as they said no to a catholic church and a synagogue


Not sensational enough. You have to bury that deep in the article. That way, people can be outraged long before they get to that section and stop reading. See also redactions.
 
2014-08-20 10:24:58 AM  

natas6.0: when I was in YOUR coontry I hadda listen to you yammer..and it was kinda interesting

but if you really must be on your knees over here
keep yer yap shut about it
religion is a quiet, personal thing

I have to assume that there are still bipeds I would consider 'people' in florida
and people do not need to hear your religion several times a day


img.izismile.com
 
2014-08-20 10:26:12 AM  
Retraction. Stupid autocorrect.
 
2014-08-20 10:26:32 AM  

bungle_jr: naughtyrev: I've lived across the street from a mosque for about 5 years. Not once have I ever had a concern about noise - never hear a peep from them. What I do have, however, is lots of peaceful people going to and from their place of worship throughout the day which has a nice effect of having lots of eyes on the neighborhood to keep crime down in an area that has lots of burglaries elsewhere.

i've spent 3 months in saudi arabia and 3 months in iraq
granted, the prayer call towers (whatever they're called, i haven't a clue) weren't as close as across the street, but i could indeed hear them quite well most of the time...it never bothered me. it was a little bit strange, not being muslim, not living in an area with a mosque, etc, but no different to me than growing up in a small strongly-christian southern town with various church bells ringing quite loudly multiple times per day

yes...yes i know this isn't about the mosque and the calls to prayer. it's about folks not understanding, nor wanting to understand, the muslim religion nor its followers


If you understood them you would know they start as early as 0530, I doubt any churches around you were rocking out their bells that early.

Also they are asking for a variance in the number of parking spaces a non residential building would normally have in that area.

But yeah, lets pretend any opposiiton is based in discrimination.
 
2014-08-20 10:27:00 AM  

liam76: I have never known a mosque not to broadcast Adhan. Must be very progressive, where is it?


Talk about progressive, here's the Adhan from Karl Jenkins A Mass for Peace: The Armed Man.
 
2014-08-20 10:28:17 AM  
From what I heard on local news, the church wanted a zoning exception in order to build in an area that is zoned residential, and the exception was denied. Things like that happen all the time, often due to the concerns of the residents in the area who would be affected.

Anyone who wants to build anything has to find land that is zoned appropriately, or find an area where there won't be objection to the granting of an exception. This doesn't seem to be a big deal to me.
 
2014-08-20 10:29:09 AM  

CrackpipeCardozo: Diogenes: (I live in Dr. Phillips)

Sounds . . . painful?


It's citrusy  He brought orange farming to Central Florida.
 
2014-08-20 10:29:19 AM  
AMURIKA!
 
2014-08-20 10:30:31 AM  

naughtyrev: liam76: naughtyrev: I've lived across the street from a mosque for about 5 years. Not once have I ever had a concern about noise - never hear a peep from them. What I do have, however, is lots of peaceful people going to and from their place of worship throughout the day which has a nice effect of having lots of eyes on the neighborhood to keep crime down in an area that has lots of burglaries elsewhere.

I have never known a mosque not to broadcast Adhan. Must be very progressive, where is it?

Chicago, in a quasi-residential area.


There's a mosque up on Stony Island, and never heard them broadcast anything even once. The Muslims in Hyde Park are pretty laid back. Most likely there's still the one guy who sells the local Muslim paper and bean pies on Harper Court. Very mellow and laid back guy.
 
2014-08-20 10:30:46 AM  
Where I want when I want persecute me at your own peril?
 
2014-08-20 10:34:12 AM  

Diogenes: This is about a 1/2 mile from my house (I live in Dr. Phillips).

Traffic from the new Trader Joe's, new restaurant/shopping/entertainment complex, etc. doesn't seem to bother them.  And don't even try to get in and out of this neighborhood during the Bay Hill Invitational.  And we're adding new housing subdivisions all the time.

But suddenly traffic and "charm" are a concern.  Yeah, right.

I will say this:  They quietly demolished a church to put up that new Trader Joe's.  So there is a bit of consistency to their lie that it's "not about a mosque."


I wish they'd replace a church near me with a Trader Joe's.

\was all set to trigger my "outrage" switch, 'til I read TFA, and saw that one of the board members had previously voted against building a synagogue and a Catholic church
 
2014-08-20 10:34:35 AM  

kindms: "For whatever reason, religious organizations buy property that is residential in nature and ask for a variance," Brummer said. "It's a real problem."

That is the real crux of the issue summed up at the end of the article. Just as they said no to a catholic church and a synagogue


Done in 40. That really is the issue not muslim persecution.
 
2014-08-20 10:35:58 AM  

kidakita: Off with their heads!


dude.....too soon.
 
2014-08-20 10:38:43 AM  

Bendal: There have been several lawsuits aimed at them to cut down the noise, and every single time the churches claim it is part of their belief system to distribute the sermons to the broadest possible audience, and so far the courts have refused to stop them from doing it.


If I won the lottery I would move there just to blast death metal at the same volume whenever they tried to do anything quiet.
 
2014-08-20 10:40:04 AM  

liam76: Diogenes: This is about a 1/2 mile from my house (I live in Dr. Phillips).

The article was pretty sparse. Did they mention in local coverage if the mosque would or would nto be allwoed to broadcast the call to prayers?


Mosques in Saskatoon, Regina, St. John's, Edmonton, Calgary, Hamilton, Thunder Bay, Ottawa, Winnipeg, Victoria don't broadcast...I have not come across a single mosque in Canada (or North America for that matter, although my travels in the States are limited) that broadcasts the call to prayers or services.  If it is truly a traffic flow issue, I understand...does not make it any less of a pain in the ass.
 
2014-08-20 10:43:20 AM  

Igor Jakovsky: kindms: "For whatever reason, religious organizations buy property that is residential in nature and ask for a variance," Brummer said. "It's a real problem."

That is the real crux of the issue summed up at the end of the article. Just as they said no to a catholic church and a synagogue

Done in 40. That really is the issue not muslim persecution.


Looks that way this time. I've lived around rich NIMBYS, and I find it quite believable that they would be rabidly opposed to anybody doing anything in their vicinity. No religious prejudice needed, in this case.
 
2014-08-20 10:43:37 AM  

liam76: bungle_jr: naughtyrev: I've lived across the street from a mosque for about 5 years. Not once have I ever had a concern about noise - never hear a peep from them. What I do have, however, is lots of peaceful people going to and from their place of worship throughout the day which has a nice effect of having lots of eyes on the neighborhood to keep crime down in an area that has lots of burglaries elsewhere.

i've spent 3 months in saudi arabia and 3 months in iraq
granted, the prayer call towers (whatever they're called, i haven't a clue) weren't as close as across the street, but i could indeed hear them quite well most of the time...it never bothered me. it was a little bit strange, not being muslim, not living in an area with a mosque, etc, but no different to me than growing up in a small strongly-christian southern town with various church bells ringing quite loudly multiple times per day

yes...yes i know this isn't about the mosque and the calls to prayer. it's about folks not understanding, nor wanting to understand, the muslim religion nor its followers

If you understood them you would know they start as early as 0530, I doubt any churches around you were rocking out their bells that early.

Also they are asking for a variance in the number of parking spaces a non residential building would normally have in that area.

But yeah, lets pretend any opposiiton is based in discrimination.


cool your jets, liam
as is a frequent custom on fark, i dnrtfa prior to commenting

typically, in this post-911 america we know and loathe, any opposition to a mosque is based in discrimination or fear...whether it's openly admitted or not.

this may be an exception with actual valid reasons, like the ones you mentioned
 
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