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(Consumer Reports)   Car makers eliminate spare tires to save weight, increase fuel mileage, and because nobody knows how to change them anymore, anyway   (consumerreports.org) divider line 182
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2014-08-20 05:37:14 AM  
They might just as well get rid of them. My neighbors VW had a flat, and there was no way you were going to jack up the car with the flimsy POS jack that was included.  Luckily it happened right around the corner, and I could just drag my hydraulic jack over.

And yes, I know how to work a jack. This one just didn't put the car high enough to free up the tire.
 
2014-08-20 06:12:58 AM  
My minivan ('07 Sienna) came with run-flats instead of a spare. Hate hate hate HATE 'em. Expensive, tons of false-positives for low pressure, and the damn things go bald after 25,000 miles meaning I'm on the hook for 900 bucks for new tires every year. Never again.
 
2014-08-20 09:03:36 AM  
I made my kids change a car tire before letting them drive - but apparently I'm a "hard-nose prick" or sumpin' like that.
 
2014-08-20 09:36:39 AM  
Everyone should know how to change a goddamned tire. I do, even though I've got roadside assistance, AAA, whatever...

And a lot of the jacks that come with new cars are worse than useless, some are borderline dangerous.
 
2014-08-20 09:36:55 AM  

oldfarthenry: I made my kids change a car tire before letting them drive - but apparently I'm a "hard-nose prick" or sumpin' like that.


I had to make my wife (30 year old) change a tire since her parents didn't think it was necessary to make her learn when she was younger.

/csb
 
2014-08-20 09:40:21 AM  

oldfarthenry: I made my kids change a car tire before letting them drive - but apparently I'm a "hard-nose prick" or sumpin' like that.


Hell, I''d put 'em on a clock.  Learning is best retained under pressure.
 
2014-08-20 09:40:34 AM  

Gulper Eel: My minivan ('07 Sienna) came with run-flats instead of a spare. Hate hate hate HATE 'em. Expensive, tons of false-positives for low pressure, and the damn things go bald after 25,000 miles meaning I'm on the hook for 900 bucks for new tires every year. Never again.


My Sienna doesn't have AWD, so we got a spare. It's been used 3 times in 10 years, so I'm not fond of the spare-less car trend.

media.caranddriver.com
/hot

When airless passenger car tires are widely available, wake me up.
 
2014-08-20 09:41:06 AM  
My Leaf has no spare, to save weight & space. No big deal because I can't get far from home anyway.
 
2014-08-20 09:41:39 AM  
This one just didn't put the car high enough to free up the tire.

The jack provided with the car, assuming it was OEM, should have been more than enough.
 
2014-08-20 09:42:41 AM  
I have run flats on my BMW and I really don't like them.  They're $250 a piece, they have to be recalibrated several times in the winter because of false positives, and they make the ride unnecessarily harsh.  I looked into going back to regular tires and adding a jack and a spare, but that's equivalent in cost to another set of run flats.

My wife however thinks they're the bee's knees because she hates changing a flat tire.  I really don't mind it myself.
 
2014-08-20 09:42:53 AM  
TPMS has cut way down on flats. The last 2 nails we picked up, we found out about when it was a slow leak, well before it got flat, so we could just top it up & go get it patched.
 
2014-08-20 09:48:51 AM  
Okay, how could someone not know how to change a tire?  I can understand not wanting to change a tire.   Especially if you get a flat on the way home from work and are still wearing a suit and a tie, it can be a major pain in the @$$.  But not knowing how to do it?  We aren't talking about cracking cold fusion here.
 
2014-08-20 09:50:05 AM  

Slam Bradley: oldfarthenry: I made my kids change a car tire before letting them drive - but apparently I'm a "hard-nose prick" or sumpin' like that.

I had to make my wife (30 year old) change a tire since her parents didn't think it was necessary to make her learn when she was younger.

/csb


csb/

While heading to work a few years ago, I observed a highway patrol car stopped by the side of the road behind a Mustang.  While passing, I see the trooper is tightening the nuts on the wheel.  Off to the side, watching him, are this high school/college age female holding on to her BOB (Big Ol' Boy) boyfriend, probably a football player.

Laughed and shook my head that such a large, young male can't even change the wheel on a vehicle.

/csb
 
2014-08-20 09:50:22 AM  
The screw and nut are truly one of engineering's most difficult to understand inventions.

It's not like they sell kids toys that operate exactly the same way as the bolts from your tires.
 
2014-08-20 09:51:53 AM  
My old 1993 Toyota 4Runner and my current 2000 Toyota 4Runner both have undermounted spare tires.

Great idea right? Doesn't take up cargo space in the back and they can be full sized spares because the SUV is high enough off the ground.


WRONG!

The mechanism they use to lower the spare in case you need it is the most ridiculously stupid thing I have ever seen. It works very poorly, and especially if you live in a winter climate (like I do) that f*cker is going to rust up and become impossible to get loose.

The one time I needed my spare on my 93 4Runner, the motherf*cker wouldn't budge. I ended up having to cut the tire out from underneath the vehicle.

I imagine my 2000 4Runner will be similar.
 
2014-08-20 09:53:45 AM  
I am far from an expert on identifying and fixing vehicle problems, but come on. Changing a tire is not that intellectually challenging. If you can't figure out how to do it by reading the owner's manual, you might want to reconsider owning a vehicle.
 
2014-08-20 09:54:41 AM  

mr_a: They might just as well get rid of them. My neighbors VW had a flat, and there was no way you were going to jack up the car with the flimsy POS jack that was included.  Luckily it happened right around the corner, and I could just drag my hydraulic jack over.

And yes, I know how to work a jack. This one just didn't put the car high enough to free up the tire.


Surprisingly, that jack actually does work.  I've had to use it.  Though, I do carry my hydraulic with me now.

/The VW jack is nicknamed "the widowmaker"
 
2014-08-20 09:54:50 AM  
I've never used the spare on my 2002 Ranger. I should check the air pressure and make sure I can lower it.
 
2014-08-20 09:59:19 AM  
Has anyone ever had to use these reinflation/sealant kits that they're including instead of spare tires nowadays?  If those things work well, they're probably a better option than a full-size spare, given that they're (supposed to be) easier to use.
 
2014-08-20 09:59:32 AM  

Rev.K: My old 1993 Toyota 4Runner and my current 2000 Toyota 4Runner both have undermounted spare tires.

Great idea right? Doesn't take up cargo space in the back and they can be full sized spares because the SUV is high enough off the ground.


WRONG!

The mechanism they use to lower the spare in case you need it is the most ridiculously stupid thing I have ever seen. It works very poorly, and especially if you live in a winter climate (like I do) that f*cker is going to rust up and become impossible to get loose.

The one time I needed my spare on my 93 4Runner, the motherf*cker wouldn't budge. I ended up having to cut the tire out from underneath the vehicle.

I imagine my 2000 4Runner will be similar.


My Dakota had that also. The undermounted tires will also collect about 50lbs of mud, rocks, grass and anything else you've driven over.
 
2014-08-20 10:01:19 AM  
Changing a tyre -- how hard can it be?
 
2014-08-20 10:02:39 AM  

oldfarthenry: I made my kids change a car tire before letting them drive - but apparently I'm a "hard-nose prick" or sumpin' like that.


I helped my dad rotate the tires on his vehicles since I was 7 or 8.
 
2014-08-20 10:05:54 AM  

shanteyman: This one just didn't put the car high enough to free up the tire.

The jack provided with the car, assuming it was OEM, should have been more than enough.


Assuming you've got one of those sketchy little temporary spares, you only need raise the thing enough to pry the flat off the hub, once you've taken the lug nuts off. The flat tire won't provide the same resistance to lateral movement as a fully-inflated one would, so it's just a matter of a series of hard pulls and an inch at a time. Then the mini-spare should clear the ground easily enough as you place it on the hub. Rememeber to bolt it back up in a star pattern, to minimize the risk that you'll warp your rotors. That's one idea. The other is, are you sure your jack placement was correct? Check the owner's manual before attempting to jack up the car if unsure.
 
2014-08-20 10:08:28 AM  
I suppose it's different for SUVs and other vehicles that would come with a full-size spare, but for a smaller car, the donut spare tire doesn't seem like it would weigh enough to make that much of a mileage difference.  At least, the one my car has can't weigh much more than 20-30 lbs, plus a little more for the mini-jack.  As a percentage of the total weight of the car, it's very small.

And I've needed it 3 times in the 5 years I've owned the car, so I wouldn't like to not have it.
 
2014-08-20 10:08:35 AM  
Just after they graduated from college, my wife accompanied her friend who was moving all of her things in her car across the country. Her friend's father had moved the spare someplace they could easily access just-in-case. Smart guy. They got a flat due to a pothole. Unloading a car's trunk in the rain to get at the spare in the usual place under all your stuff would have been miserable.
 
2014-08-20 10:09:46 AM  
...only I didn't say Fudge.
 
2014-08-20 10:16:24 AM  
AAA will love this.
 
2014-08-20 10:16:59 AM  
Yes, I'd much rather just call a tow truck and have it towed in, buy a new tire. It's no big deal since I have all kinds of insurance......except that I don't. Well, gosh, I"m making more jobs for those poor grease monkeys who work in the garages, who only make.....more than I do.

I'm against this. And if you don't know how to change a tire, you can get the practice by moving to somewhere cold, and changing out your own snow tires a couple times a year.
 
2014-08-20 10:17:07 AM  

HMS_Blinkin: Has anyone ever had to use these reinflation/sealant kits that they're including instead of spare tires nowadays?  If those things work well, they're probably a better option than a full-size spare, given that they're (supposed to be) easier to use.


Once you use one of those things you can't patch the hole because it gunks up the inside of the tire with sealant jizz. Those are good for emergency use only when you wouldn't mind buying a new tire.
 
2014-08-20 10:17:24 AM  

Rapmaster2000: I have run flats on my BMW and I really don't like them.  They're $250 a piece, they have to be recalibrated several times in the winter because of false positives, and they make the ride unnecessarily harsh.  I looked into going back to regular tires and adding a jack and a spare, but that's equivalent in cost to another set of run flats.

My wife however thinks they're the bee's knees because she hates changing a flat tire.  I really don't mind it myself.


We ditched the run-flats on our 328 wagon. If we DO get a flat, the tow will cost less than the premium on ONE run-flat tire. My wife really hated the ride the run-flats offered.

The ride improvement (and noise reduction) is totally worth the risk we now run. (And a can or two of fix-a-flat will mean that you're not completely stuck if there's no tow available.)

/We also went up to R55s, so now the speedo is almost accurate.
 
2014-08-20 10:19:54 AM  

adm_crunch: oldfarthenry: I made my kids change a car tire before letting them drive - but apparently I'm a "hard-nose prick" or sumpin' like that.

I helped my dad rotate the tires on his vehicles since I was 7 or 8.


Your dad was stupid. You don't need to rotate tires, it's just a scam for tires plus and the auto dealers to make money. They automatically rotate over and over every time you drive! Otherwise the car wouldn't go.
 
2014-08-20 10:22:30 AM  

aaronx: Rapmaster2000: I have run flats on my BMW and I really don't like them.  They're $250 a piece, they have to be recalibrated several times in the winter because of false positives, and they make the ride unnecessarily harsh.  I looked into going back to regular tires and adding a jack and a spare, but that's equivalent in cost to another set of run flats.

My wife however thinks they're the bee's knees because she hates changing a flat tire.  I really don't mind it myself.

We ditched the run-flats on our 328 wagon. If we DO get a flat, the tow will cost less than the premium on ONE run-flat tire. My wife really hated the ride the run-flats offered.

The ride improvement (and noise reduction) is totally worth the risk we now run. (And a can or two of fix-a-flat will mean that you're not completely stuck if there's no tow available.)

/We also went up to R55s, so now the speedo is almost accurate.


Wait, you have the speedo accuracy problem too?  I swear it's about 5mph off at 80mph.  I knew something was wrong when I got the car and it seemed like more people were passing me than usual at 75mph than had passed me in my old car.
 
2014-08-20 10:24:03 AM  
Is there any good kits you can buy off of Amazon?

I think my car has a Jack, but i never bothered looking for it.  I've used the tire iron which is a piece of crap preschool thing.

I would like to get a kit from Amazon with a decent jack and tire iron?
 
2014-08-20 10:25:21 AM  

Psylence: Everyone should know how to change a goddamned tire. I do, even though I've got roadside assistance, AAA, whatever...

And a lot of the jacks that come with new cars are worse than useless, some are borderline dangerous.


I just recently went through this experience with a stock jack, when changing the tire the other day -- thing damned near collapsed.  The other issue I've now found on two cars is where they've used the impact wrench to put the nuts on so hard that they can't be gotten off -- never had to deal with that 10 - 15 years ago. I eventually gave up and called AAA after even getting about as much leverage you can get (long metal pole attached to the end of the wrench, gigantic man standing on it) couldn't get them to budge.  AAA guy said dealers do it on purpose so people will come back to them.  Doesn't make a lot of sense to me (I'd think you'd call AAA instead), but who knows.
 
2014-08-20 10:29:09 AM  

deschinc: HMS_Blinkin: Has anyone ever had to use these reinflation/sealant kits that they're including instead of spare tires nowadays?  If those things work well, they're probably a better option than a full-size spare, given that they're (supposed to be) easier to use.

Once you use one of those things you can't patch the hole because it gunks up the inside of the tire with sealant jizz. Those are good for emergency use only when you wouldn't mind buying a new tire.


And the guy who changes that tire is going to hate you forever.

FitzShivering: they've used the impact wrench to put the nuts on so hard that they can't be gotten off


I specify  do not use air tools on my wheels or you will break my wheel spacers and have to pay for them.
They don't use air tools on 'em :)
 
2014-08-20 10:30:49 AM  

forgotmydamnusername: shanteyman: This one just didn't put the car high enough to free up the tire.

The jack provided with the car, assuming it was OEM, should have been more than enough.

Assuming you've got one of those sketchy little temporary spares, you only need raise the thing enough to pry the flat off the hub, once you've taken the lug nuts off. The flat tire won't provide the same resistance to lateral movement as a fully-inflated one would, so it's just a matter of a series of hard pulls and an inch at a time. Then the mini-spare should clear the ground easily enough as you place it on the hub. Rememeber to bolt it back up in a star pattern, to minimize the risk that you'll warp your rotors. That's one idea. The other is, are you sure your jack placement was correct? Check the owner's manual before attempting to jack up the car if unsure.


And, carry a chunk or two of plywood to prop up the jack.
 
2014-08-20 10:31:15 AM  

Debeo Summa Credo: adm_crunch: oldfarthenry: I made my kids change a car tire before letting them drive - but apparently I'm a "hard-nose prick" or sumpin' like that.

I helped my dad rotate the tires on his vehicles since I was 7 or 8.

Your dad was stupid. You don't need to rotate tires, it's just a scam for tires plus and the auto dealers to make money. They automatically rotate over and over every time you drive! Otherwise the car wouldn't go.


I..um..uh.. fark it, I have no response to this.
 
2014-08-20 10:34:53 AM  

FitzShivering: Psylence: Everyone should know how to change a goddamned tire. I do, even though I've got roadside assistance, AAA, whatever...

And a lot of the jacks that come with new cars are worse than useless, some are borderline dangerous.

I just recently went through this experience with a stock jack, when changing the tire the other day -- thing damned near collapsed.  The other issue I've now found on two cars is where they've used the impact wrench to put the nuts on so hard that they can't be gotten off -- never had to deal with that 10 - 15 years ago. I eventually gave up and called AAA after even getting about as much leverage you can get (long metal pole attached to the end of the wrench, gigantic man standing on it) couldn't get them to budge.  AAA guy said dealers do it on purpose so people will come back to them.  Doesn't make a lot of sense to me (I'd think you'd call AAA instead), but who knows.


Yeah, I'd buy that.

Actually changed a flat tire on a rainy night on an interstate last November. First time I'd used a lug wrench or jack since the '90s. Was honestly very proud of myself.
 
2014-08-20 10:35:23 AM  

HMS_Blinkin: Has anyone ever had to use these reinflation/sealant kits that they're including instead of spare tires nowadays?  If those things work well, they're probably a better option than a full-size spare, given that they're (supposed to be) easier to use.


Stuff like "Fix a Flat" only works for slow puncture leaks in the tread and success is a bit hit or miss. Makes an incredible mess inside the tire / on the rim and your mechanic will hate you when you go to replace the tire.

If you get a puncture then you should get a tire plug kit (under $10). Takes a bit of strength to push the rasp or needle thingy into the tire but the plugs will hold well. The tire I currently use as a spare has six of those plugs in it (ran over a board with nails sticking up) and it's been holding air for close to ten years now.
 
2014-08-20 10:38:30 AM  

FitzShivering: Psylence: Everyone should know how to change a goddamned tire. I do, even though I've got roadside assistance, AAA, whatever...

And a lot of the jacks that come with new cars are worse than useless, some are borderline dangerous.

I just recently went through this experience with a stock jack, when changing the tire the other day -- thing damned near collapsed.  The other issue I've now found on two cars is where they've used the impact wrench to put the nuts on so hard that they can't be gotten off -- never had to deal with that 10 - 15 years ago. I eventually gave up and called AAA after even getting about as much leverage you can get (long metal pole attached to the end of the wrench, gigantic man standing on it) couldn't get them to budge.  AAA guy said dealers do it on purpose so people will come back to them.  Doesn't make a lot of sense to me (I'd think you'd call AAA instead), but who knows.


Its also a good way to snap wheel studs off, hopefully not as you are driving. The steel used these days isn't nearly as strong as it used to be, so just torquing them down as hard as your gun can go is plain irresponsible.

/92 ft-lbs for my car
 
2014-08-20 10:43:47 AM  

Rev.K: My old 1993 Toyota 4Runner and my current 2000 Toyota 4Runner both have undermounted spare tires.

Great idea right? Doesn't take up cargo space in the back and they can be full sized spares because the SUV is high enough off the ground.


WRONG!

The mechanism they use to lower the spare in case you need it is the most ridiculously stupid thing I have ever seen. It works very poorly, and especially if you live in a winter climate (like I do) that f*cker is going to rust up and become impossible to get loose.

The one time I needed my spare on my 93 4Runner, the motherf*cker wouldn't budge. I ended up having to cut the tire out from underneath the vehicle.

I imagine my 2000 4Runner will be similar.


There's a simple method to avoid issues with that. When swapping over to summers or winters ( I still do it myself, call me old fashioned or cheap...) I just lower it and raise it. Twice a year it gets moved, and that has been enough for my 92 4Runner (died at 400k) and currently my 2010 Tacoma.
 
2014-08-20 10:45:14 AM  

Chagrin: HMS_Blinkin: Has anyone ever had to use these reinflation/sealant kits that they're including instead of spare tires nowadays?  If those things work well, they're probably a better option than a full-size spare, given that they're (supposed to be) easier to use.

Stuff like "Fix a Flat" only works for slow puncture leaks in the tread and success is a bit hit or miss. Makes an incredible mess inside the tire / on the rim and your mechanic will hate you when you go to replace the tire.

If you get a puncture then you should get a tire plug kit (under $10). Takes a bit of strength to push the rasp or needle thingy into the tire but the plugs will hold well. The tire I currently use as a spare has six of those plugs in it (ran over a board with nails sticking up) and it's been holding air for close to ten years now.


You haven't gotten new tires in almost 10 years?  You don't drive much, huh?
 
2014-08-20 10:45:54 AM  

oldfarthenry: I made my kids change a car tire before letting them drive - but apparently I'm a "hard-nose prick" or sumpin' like that.


Thats what my dad did for us as well. Glad he did though. I never have had to change a tire in good conditions its always in the rain, snow, freezing cold, late at night with no light. Makes you want to say "Oooooohhhhhhhhhhhh fuuuuuuuuuuudge!" Only I didnt say fudge.
 
2014-08-20 10:47:07 AM  

debug: Chagrin: HMS_Blinkin: Has anyone ever had to use these reinflation/sealant kits that they're including instead of spare tires nowadays?  If those things work well, they're probably a better option than a full-size spare, given that they're (supposed to be) easier to use.

Stuff like "Fix a Flat" only works for slow puncture leaks in the tread and success is a bit hit or miss. Makes an incredible mess inside the tire / on the rim and your mechanic will hate you when you go to replace the tire.

If you get a puncture then you should get a tire plug kit (under $10). Takes a bit of strength to push the rasp or needle thingy into the tire but the plugs will hold well. The tire I currently use as a spare has six of those plugs in it (ran over a board with nails sticking up) and it's been holding air for close to ten years now.

You haven't gotten new tires in almost 10 years?  You don't drive much, huh?


If you buy tires from Big O and drive so little that they are ruined by dry rot before the tread wears out they will replace them for free.  I worked for a guy that brought in tires that were over 30 years old and did just that.
 
2014-08-20 10:49:21 AM  

Rapmaster2000: I have run flats on my BMW and I really don't like them.  They're $250 a piece, they have to be recalibrated several times in the winter because of false positives, and they make the ride unnecessarily harsh.  I looked into going back to regular tires and adding a jack and a spare, but that's equivalent in cost to another set of run flats.

My wife however thinks they're the bee's knees because she hates changing a flat tire.  I really don't mind it myself.


i switched to non-runflat nokian tires on my 328i. i carry a small compressor in my trunk for slow leaks. anything more than that, and i'll call roadside assistance, which i have through geico.
 
2014-08-20 10:57:04 AM  
The argument could be made that dropping the spare makes sense, given that tire changing is a skill that has largely gone away, much like operating a manual transmission.

Yes, noone in the world knows how to operate a manual transmission.

Well, except everyone outside of USA/Canada. But of course, those are the only countries that exist.
 
2014-08-20 11:01:31 AM  
I have a full size spare on my Ranger, used it once. Musta went over a screw cause I had a huge rip in the tread. I can't complain, I got 80K miles outta that set. Rotated them with every oil change.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2014-08-20 11:05:01 AM  
I was never taught how to change a tire. The first time I needed to, I pulled the stuff out of the trunk and did it.

P.S. Thanks, Caltrans, for that road debris that gashed the sidewall after I had replaced a runflat with a regular tire because the only shop for 50 miles had only regular tires.
 
2014-08-20 11:08:21 AM  

hitmanric: I imagine my 2000 4Runner will be similar.My Dakota had that also. The undermounted tires will also collect about 50lbs of mud, rocks, grass and anything else you've driven over.


Sympathize with both of you, the spare is also under on my 04 Diesel Dodge Ram 2500. Finally needed it this past June. It was extremely crusty though I did manage to use it for a short bit. I carry it in the bed now to keep it out of the weather. I have a topper on my truck. I plan to replace that spare with a less rusty replacement at some point soon.
 
2014-08-20 11:08:40 AM  
I specify do not use air tools on my wheels or you will break my wheel spacers and have to pay for them.
They don't use air tools on 'em :)


Never heard of these, eh?
http://www.matcotools.com/catalog/product/WTK1500A/INDIVIDUAL-TORQUE- S OCKETS/
 
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