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(NPR)   A few powerful corporate conglomerates? ☑ Climate Change? ☑ Wide, interconnected global trade? ☑ Millions of unhappy displaced people? ☑ Coral, prepare yourself for the next global Dark zombie Age   (npr.org) divider line 130
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2014-08-20 07:10:57 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
2014-08-20 08:24:13 AM  
Yet another so-called "historian" droning on about "climate change" while ignoring the elephant in the room? Obama has a time machine sheeple! Wake up!
 
2014-08-20 08:25:56 AM  
climate isn't changing.  with each passing year, I'm just getting hotter.

/be the change you want to see in the world
//so...it IS just me
 
2014-08-20 08:26:21 AM  
Heh- I'm in the middle of reading this book right now.  One bit that'shiat me is how little I actually know about history from that time- you like to think you're edumacated and smart about all these things, but he gives the history from about 1500BC forwards and I've heard of about a quarter of the guys, and the only reason I know the names of the various peoples is that I've played the board game Civilization a ton.

One thing never changes though: you need to make returns on poor-fitting merchandise.  One of the kings had to return his gift of shoes from a ruler across the sea.
 
2014-08-20 08:26:26 AM  
Nu-uh.  Only modern man creates climate change!  It's impossible without burning fossil fuels at the rate we have been doing!
 
2014-08-20 08:28:13 AM  
actually already planned on getting this book

before it's too late
 
2014-08-20 08:34:47 AM  
Don't worry! We're giving inordinate sums of money to politicians to combat "climate change". Surely they will save us!
 
2014-08-20 08:35:42 AM  

Glockenspiel Hero: Heh- I'm in the middle of reading this book right now.  One bit that'shiat me is how little I actually know about history from that time- you like to think you're edumacated and smart about all these things, but he gives the history from about 1500BC forwards and I've heard of about a quarter of the guys, and the only reason I know the names of the various peoples is that I've played the board game Civilization a ton.

One thing never changes though: you need to make returns on poor-fitting merchandise.  One of the kings had to return his gift of shoes from a ruler across the sea.


When I was a kid I was great at history thanks to Sid Meier's Civilization. I knew all the cities, the rulers, what a phalanx was, etc.

I still think the box art played a huge part in awakening some fascination with the history beneath my feet that led me on a path to doing Archaeology at university.

upload.wikimedia.org
It still makes me want to dig.

Now I've added this book to my wish-list. I'll buy it next, looks fascinating.
 
2014-08-20 08:39:18 AM  
NPR; subjective analysis founded on heresay with your tax dollars.
 
2014-08-20 08:40:01 AM  
Somebody here on Fark turned me on to Dan Carlin's Hardcore History (a brilliant podcast - thanks to whoever it was in one of the WWI threads). One of the earlier podcasts he did was "Darkness Buries the Bronze Age" (episode 9) - good review of this very thing.
 
2014-08-20 08:41:31 AM  
Global trade is a bad thing now?
 
2014-08-20 08:46:10 AM  

2xcited: NPR; subjective analysis founded on heresay with your tax dollars.


If'n you's gonna use book-werds, you's needta spell 'em rite.
 
2014-08-20 08:46:41 AM  
Too bad his name isn't Eric D. Cline.
 
2014-08-20 08:47:21 AM  

omeganuepsilon: Nu-uh.  Only modern man creates global anthropogenic climate change!  It's impossible without burning fossil fuels at the rate we have been doing!


Fixed that for you.

Climate change does not have to be anthropogenic, neither does it have to be global. Consider how large herds of domestic goats and sheep will absolutely denude an area of any vegetation from the ground to a height of about five feet. A few generations of that can easily convert a land "flowing with milk and honey" into an arid wasteland.
 
2014-08-20 08:48:51 AM  

SordidEuphemism: 2xcited: NPR; subjective analysis founded on heresay with your tax dollars.

If'n you's gonna use book-werds, you's needta spell 'em rite.


I think he meant "heresy".
 
2014-08-20 08:50:26 AM  

MyRandomName: Global trade is a bad thing now?


It depends. Consider what happened to the global financial markets following a relatively local real estate bubble.
 
2014-08-20 08:50:40 AM  

Monkeyhouse Zendo: SordidEuphemism: 2xcited: NPR; subjective analysis founded on heresay with your tax dollars.

If'n you's gonna use book-werds, you's needta spell 'em rite.

I think he meant "heresy".


Or, possibly, hearsay. Or maybe it's like chocolate and peanut butter, and a form of heretical eavesdropping? THE WORLD MAY NEVER KNOW.
 
2014-08-20 08:53:13 AM  

MyRandomName: Global trade is a bad thing now?


No, it's fine, but you can't "collapse" or "fall" unless you reach a high point first.
 
2014-08-20 08:53:21 AM  

Monkeyhouse Zendo: MyRandomName: Global trade is a bad thing now?

It depends. Consider what happened to the global financial markets following a relatively local real estate bubble.


That's not just the fault of global trade.  If Glass-Steagal had never been repealed, then the housing bubble wouldn't have been able to affect the commercial banks (or at least not nearly as much).
 
2014-08-20 08:55:32 AM  

BigDamn: Somebody here on Fark turned me on to Dan Carlin's Hardcore History (a brilliant podcast - thanks to whoever it was in one of the WWI threads). One of the earlier podcasts he did was "Darkness Buries the Bronze Age" (episode 9) - good review of this very thing.


I just did a quick google-y look --

I'm curious as to what is so unconventional about this guy's podcast/views, etc.
?

Looks intriguing.
 
2014-08-20 08:56:30 AM  
This is the way the world ends
This is the way the world ends
This is the way the world ends
Not with a bang but a whimper.


-TS Eliot

So 25 years to late then?
 
2014-08-20 08:56:44 AM  

Monkeyhouse Zendo: omeganuepsilon: Nu-uh.  Only modern man creates global anthropogenic climate change!  It's impossible without burning fossil fuels at the rate we have been doing!

Fixed that for you.

Climate change does not have to be anthropogenic, neither does it have to be global. Consider how large herds of domestic goats and sheep will absolutely denude an area of any vegetation from the ground to a height of about five feet. A few generations of that can easily convert a land "flowing with milk and honey" into an arid wasteland.


And what parts of 'anthropomorphic' do large herds of domestic sheep and goats manage to skirt, eh?
 
2014-08-20 08:58:12 AM  
Aliens
 
2014-08-20 08:59:51 AM  

MyRandomName: Global trade is a bad thing now?


In a black and white world things can only be 100% good or 100% bad.
 
2014-08-20 09:00:10 AM  
Ancient advanced cultures come and go.
These giant 1000+ ton stone blocks are the base for a recent Roman temple in Lebanon.
Pretty good engineering for a stone age culture.
www.bibliotecapleyades.net
 
2014-08-20 09:00:22 AM  
While yes, there may be similar parallels with our societies, these days we have managed to circumvent droughts and things by great advances in irrigation. I won't say that there will not be another great famine, there probably will be as the populations exceed their capacities in all regards.
I would love to believe that once people realize our dire situation, if even there is one, that we could navigate through that with judicious caution.

/pfft
//This is 'merica
///the reason the past civs failed was god smashed them!!!!11!


Heathens!
 
2014-08-20 09:01:06 AM  
i.imgur.com

It's hot out, must be climutt change
 
2014-08-20 09:01:18 AM  
I have a feeling it is also the massive amounts of treasure we dump into the war on poverty, which can never be won.  $21trillion, last time i looked.
 
2014-08-20 09:05:06 AM  

MyRandomName: Global trade is a bad thing now?


Sorry what do you mean now?

Globe trade was always a way to reduce wages here on the continent(don't think canada is somehow separate from the US on that one)

Clinton made a real choice to harm his own people in favor of Chinese oligarchs.

Both sides ARE BAD but it is only because the both represent the same interests, Clinton, Regan, Obama, Bush they are all the same people, who act in there own interest FIRST and then mostly don't bother with the rest of humanity or even the USA USA USAUSA!....

Stupd, violent sociopaths.
 
2014-08-20 09:05:12 AM  

Mudd's woman: BigDamn: Somebody here on Fark turned me on to Dan Carlin's Hardcore History (a brilliant podcast - thanks to whoever it was in one of the WWI threads). One of the earlier podcasts he did was "Darkness Buries the Bronze Age" (episode 9) - good review of this very thing.

I just did a quick google-y look --

I'm curious as to what is so unconventional about this guy's podcast/views, etc.
?

Looks intriguing.


Check out his Blueprint for Armageddon series - I never much cared about World War 1, and after listening, I realized that was at least in part because I didn't really understand it. Each episode is ridiculously well researched (and relies on multiple citations), and he manages to relate them in a very interesting and compelling way. So much so that my 12 and 8 year boys really like them (I will not let them listen to the series on the Khans just yet - way too much rape).
 
2014-08-20 09:06:04 AM  

2xcited: NPR; subjective analysis founded on heresay with your tax dollars.


And paid bimbos on Fox tell the truth!
 
2014-08-20 09:06:27 AM  

Deep Contact: Ancient advanced cultures come and go.
These giant 1000+ ton stone blocks are the base for a recent Roman temple in Lebanon.
Pretty good engineering for a stone age culture.
[www.bibliotecapleyades.net image 369x263]


They weren't stone age, they were bronze age. They made machines, and used them in their engineering.
 
2014-08-20 09:06:45 AM  
I'll wait for the movie
 
2014-08-20 09:07:14 AM  

HMS_Blinkin: Monkeyhouse Zendo: MyRandomName: Global trade is a bad thing now?

It depends. Consider what happened to the global financial markets following a relatively local real estate bubble.

That's not just the fault of global trade.  If Glass-Steagal had never been repealed, then the housing bubble wouldn't have been able to affect the commercial banks (or at least not nearly as much).


You are both very very wrong. It wasn't a "local" real estate bubble, it was global - see Ireland, Spain, UK, Australia, etc etc. and none of those countries had glass steagall (therefore the repeal of it wouldn't affect those markets at all).
 
2014-08-20 09:07:18 AM  

Muta: MyRandomName: Global trade is a bad thing now?

In a black and white world things can only be 100% good or 100% bad.


Yep... whites = 100% bad
 
2014-08-20 09:08:54 AM  

Elegy: [i.imgur.com image 229x515]


24.media.tumblr.com
 
2014-08-20 09:11:40 AM  

GORDON: I have a feeling it is also the massive amounts of treasure we dump into the war on poverty, which can never be won.  $21trillion, last time i looked.


I'm sure you have well fleshed out source for that.
 
2014-08-20 09:12:14 AM  

WelldeadLink: Elegy: [i.imgur.com image 229x515]

[24.media.tumblr.com image 500x281]


Now I've got that stupid theme song in my head. Bastage.
 
2014-08-20 09:12:20 AM  
Headline better described as headhurt.
 
2014-08-20 09:12:29 AM  
The scourge of the era was the mysterious "Sea Peoples" who had swept across the region. According to Cline, it is likely that the marauding Sea Peoples came from the western Mediterranean and "were probably fleeing their island homes because of the drought and famine ... moving across the Mediterranean as both refugees and conquerors."

4.bp.blogspot.com

/ ohHO
 
2014-08-20 09:12:33 AM  

Vertdang: Deep Contact: Ancient advanced cultures come and go.
These giant 1000+ ton stone blocks are the base for a recent Roman temple in Lebanon.
Pretty good engineering for a stone age culture.
[www.bibliotecapleyades.net image 369x263]

They weren't stone age, they were bronze age. They made machines, and used them in their engineering.


Bronze age collapsed before the rise of Rome.

Iron age.
 
2014-08-20 09:12:49 AM  

albatros183: MyRandomName: Global trade is a bad thing now?

Sorry what do you mean now?

Globe trade was always a way to reduce wages here on the continent(don't think canada is somehow separate from the US on that one)

Clinton made a real choice to harm his own people in favor of Chinese oligarchs.

Both sides ARE BAD but it is only because the both represent the same interests, Clinton, Regan, Obama, Bush they are all the same people, who act in there own interest FIRST and then mostly don't bother with the rest of humanity or even the USA USA USAUSA!....

Stupd, violent sociopaths.


Rest of humanity? Does that include western consumers who pay much lower prices for goods than they would have absent global trade? Does it include the developing market laborers who are lifting themselves out of subsistence farming poverty by working for companies that export goods to the west? Or were you just referring to a specific sector of humanity?
 
2014-08-20 09:14:08 AM  

Slaxl: led me on a path to doing Archaeology at university


You did Archie Ology?

/not obsucre to old farkers
 
2014-08-20 09:14:33 AM  
///https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoEi_2N1TFk" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoEi_2N1TFk">https://www.yout ube.com/watch?v=VoEi_2N1TFk

Give us Bread but give us Roses

Is it 1900 again already?
 
2014-08-20 09:15:24 AM  
Zombie?
www.rense.com
 
2014-08-20 09:16:33 AM  

Elegy: [i.imgur.com image 229x515]


fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net
 
2014-08-20 09:16:47 AM  

HMS_Blinkin: That's not just the fault of global trade.  If Glass-Steagal had never been repealed, then the housing bubble wouldn't have been able to affect the commercial banks (or at least not nearly as much).


That's the point. Complex, interconnected systems without sufficient feedback controls and limits exhibit unpredictable and potentially catastrophically unstable behavior when perturbed.

Global trade in microchips, great.
Global trade in microchips resulting in the concentration of manufacture of microchips to a handful of factories in a single geographic region, not so great.
 
2014-08-20 09:20:22 AM  

Debeo Summa Credo: Does it include the developing market laborers who are lifting themselves out of subsistence farming poverty by working for companies that export goods to the west?


img.fark.net

only the ones the net catches
 
2014-08-20 09:20:38 AM  
devblog.marine-conservation.org
                                           RIP coral
 
2014-08-20 09:21:32 AM  

HMS_Blinkin: Monkeyhouse Zendo: MyRandomName: Global trade is a bad thing now?

It depends. Consider what happened to the global financial markets following a relatively local real estate bubble.

That's not just the fault of global trade.  If Glass-Steagal had never been repealed, then the housing bubble wouldn't have been able to affect the commercial banks (or at least not nearly as much).


And the Telecommunications Act of 96 allowed the combining of every media company in the country. There is a reason why only 3 or so media companies exist anymore. It also set the precedent for the laxer view of monopolies that we see now. But Clinton wanted money so it was ok.
 
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