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(NBC News)   St. Louis City Police Chief Sam Dotson sadly gives a lesson in how to handle an officer involved shooting with a direct detailed account of another shooting   (nbcnews.com) divider line 40
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2014-08-19 09:55:05 PM  
6 votes:
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2014-08-19 10:06:15 PM  
4 votes:
I have played Double Dragon enough to know the cops really only needed to do a jump kick on the suspect. Such an attack is enough to cause said suspect to drop his weapon...the officer will land in a crouching position, but he will be able to stand before the suspect does and thus be the first to retrieve the weapon.

Just saying...
2014-08-19 08:13:05 PM  
4 votes:

Pocket Ninja: Yes. The intelligent response here is to wonder why police officers didn't team up and use their flashlights or billy clubs to disarm a knife-wielding suspect.


He looked like he was on something. Toxicology tests will show he had monster energy and could not be subdued by mere flashlights.
2014-08-19 10:07:51 PM  
3 votes:

WhyKnot: I have played Double Dragon enough to know the cops really only needed to do a jump kick on the suspect. Such an attack is enough to cause said suspect to drop his weapon...the officer will land in a crouching position, but he will be able to stand before the suspect does and thus be the first to retrieve the weapon.

Just saying...


That kind of tactic is uncalled for. Society did not give the protesters the advantage of the "B" button, let alone the Nintendo Max pad that the cops received from the US Government.
2014-08-19 08:04:47 PM  
3 votes:

jasonvatch: cretinbob: jasonvatch: Don't they have tasers?

I don't know about there, but here, generally no. You'll have one officer/deputy who carries one and the rest just have regular sidearms

Nightsticks? Flashlights?

I admit that I wouldn't want to take on a knife-wielding idiot with a nightstick. But two cops? I suspect they received some training in the past - and the baton has enough reach and mass to break the arm holding the knife.

We use drones to kill 'suspects' in other countries. 'Lethal response' seems to be OK here, since nobody biatched when we did it there.

The next red light you run could be a death sentence.


I got shot at for cutting in line in front of a cop at McDonalds this morning, then when I complained the departments military handyman down TANK raped my cat.  This shiat is just getting ridiculous.

Lets do this thing buddy. Do you have a catchy chant we can use?  We will both go scream it out the window for 5 minutes and then we will see real change.
2014-08-19 08:02:32 PM  
3 votes:
Yes. The intelligent response here is to wonder why police officers didn't team up and use their flashlights or billy clubs to disarm a knife-wielding suspect.
2014-08-19 11:59:45 PM  
2 votes:

Fubini: wademh: Hell is where the police are GermanAmerican, the lovers Swiss, the mechanics French, the chefs British, and it is all organized by the Italians.

Are you saying that our modern police force is like the gestapo? If so, I'd urge you read a history book. Try looking under "H" for "holocaust" in the index.


No. When I want to say our police are like the Gestapo, you'll know it, because I'll say our police are like the Gestapo. If that's confusing to you, write it down on a 3x5 index card for reference. File it under S.
2014-08-19 10:32:39 PM  
2 votes:
Good lord....here on Fark...

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If you think that

1. Cops should ...or should be trained to grapple, fence, tase, attempt to disarm, or otherwise let a knife wielding asshole within 10 feet of them, have a cat scan, i think you have lost connection with natural realty.

2. Shoot him in the leg, the arm, talk to him, or do other things to a man who is coming at you with a knife, again, get a cat scan...you have something wrong with your brain.

3. use multiple officers to pile on him, or, as has been stated., sit in the squad car until he goes away, seriously, you have no idea of self protection, police work, or common sense. Get a mri.

4. shoot him with bean bag rounds, or any other non lethal weapon that is supposed to gain compliance. Sounds good, but running at cops with a knife is threatening them with a lethal weapon, and is met with lethal force. Maybe they should have asked him to slow down, so they could get some of those non lethal items out of the trunk? Because they had all day to deal with him you know, not just seconds.

if you think any of these things are or should have been valid alternatives, check yourself into the nearest reality clinic, i hear they can help now.
2014-08-19 09:58:12 PM  
2 votes:
They pull a knife, you pull a gun. That's the St. Louis way.
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2014-08-19 09:57:40 PM  
2 votes:

Ctrl-Alt-Del: I dunno - seems like he only has to go down one or two houses to find an innocent bystander to kill. But yeah, cops should just wait it out in the car. That lady two doors down is a biatch anyway


Its her fault for not having a knight stick or krav maga training. Both are readily available on the internet.
2014-08-19 09:54:51 PM  
2 votes:

Smeggy Smurf: El_Perro: jasonvatch: cretinbob: jasonvatch: Don't they have tasers?

I don't know about there, but here, generally no. You'll have one officer/deputy who carries one and the rest just have regular sidearms

Nightsticks? Flashlights?

I admit that I wouldn't want to take on a knife-wielding idiot with a nightstick. But two cops? I suspect they received some training in the past - and the baton has enough reach and mass to break the arm holding the knife.

We use drones to kill 'suspects' in other countries. 'Lethal response' seems to be OK here, since nobody biatched when we did it there.

The next red light you run could be a death sentence.

If you are close enough to "break the arm holding the knife," the guy holding the knife is close enough to kill you  with the knife.

Are you aware there are these things called instructors that can teach you how to disarm somebody?  If not, please refer to your nearest source of internet, go to the Google search engine and in the little box for searching input the words "Krav Maga".  Click on the links, read the information, watch the videos and then return to this thread with an informed opinion.  Otherwise you will lack the necessary words to at least appear slightly more than a moron.

/This message brought to you by the council to mock and ridicule the silly


Do the instructors train on real crackheads with real knives? Otherwise it's farking useless
2014-08-19 09:35:29 PM  
2 votes:

dionysusaur: Beanbag guns?  Net Guns? Rubber bullets?  High-Velocity Earplugs?


150: I will provide funding and research to develop tactical and strategic weapons covering a full range of needs so my choices are not limited to "hand to hand combat with swords" and "blow up the planet".

The Ferguson police did not read the Evil Overlord list.
2014-08-19 09:22:57 PM  
2 votes:
Sure, they could have tried to subdue a man with a knife using less than lethal force like a taser or OC spray. Sure that might have been prudent considering the on-going demonstrations. But what if the man was secretly a ninja who was about to flip out on them? Better just to shoot.
2014-08-20 01:28:20 AM  
1 votes:
Hah, I wonder if that hick knows he just went out to more people than live in the greater Saint Louis metro area.

"geet back urp on dat dere saidwahlk rayt enow. Nut gunna tell yew agin."
2014-08-20 01:28:04 AM  
1 votes:
Water bottle thrown. All members with the following item on their person please arrest yourself. cdn5.triplepundit.com

www.rawstory.com
wanted for questioning
2014-08-20 01:11:51 AM  
1 votes:

nyseattitude: https://twitter.com/ryanjreilly

Ryan J. Reilly @ryanjreilly  · now
"Get that camera out of my farking face." -- officer who pointed gun at protestors#Ferguson

https://twitter.com/AmyKNelson
Amy K. Nelson @AmyKNelson  · 35s
Media being ordered back to media area, cops fighting w each other over which space is media area. #Ferguson


Farking morons,  at least agree one where the damn area is before barking out orders.


Hands up!
Get on the ground!
I said hands up!
Get on the ground now!
With your hands up!
2014-08-20 12:54:35 AM  
1 votes:
i.imgur.com
2014-08-20 12:09:28 AM  
1 votes:

Cyclometh: wademh: What if they went low tech and blasted out Abba instead?

There's precedent for doing stuff like that- witness the invasion of Panama, but in that case they weren't trying to control crowds, but rather to wear down an besieged enemy .

I would argue that the use of any acoustic devices that aren't incapacitating in a scenario where you are trying to control crowds is counter-productive. as it would be more likely to make people angry than to make them disperse. I don't know of any acoustic devices that are incapacitating without risking harm to targets and the operator.


Indeed, you caught the reference. But I did not suggestion anything as cruel and unusual as David Lee Roth ad infinitum.  And "crowd control" is not really the right term. It's more like de-crowding. If required, however, I would be prepared to get ruthless and put on a loop of "It's a Small World After-all". Screw the Geneva Convention.
2014-08-19 11:47:20 PM  
1 votes:

albatros183: Am I the only one that notices that suicide by cop is only a thing in the US?, I'm pretty sure that says something about how quick on the draw American cops are, or maybe it just says something about Americans.


538 how many americans the police kill each year

Of course, it's hard to do suicide by cop with an English Bobby who says
You can sleep at home tonight, if you can get up and walk away.

Heaven is where the police are British, the lovers French, the mechanics German, the chefs Italian, and it is all organized by the Swiss.

Hell is where the police are German American, the lovers Swiss, the mechanics French, the chefs British, and it is all organized by the Italians.
2014-08-19 10:46:43 PM  
1 votes:
Topics like these are morbidly intriguing.  I say morbidly, because of the real hits to my faith in humanity that they deliver, courtesy of people I would think should know better.

I remember last year's Dorner manhunt topics, and how many people were happily cheering an ex-cop on for "taking the fight to the LAPD," so to speak.

OK, I get that, given their reputation and actions, which don't paint them in the best of lights - seen in great detail when two idiot officers opened up on a pair of newspaper delivery women.  Fine.

Here's where some of you guys sicken me.  His first two victims were a 28-year-old Cal State coach and her fiancée.  Her only relation to things was that she was the daughter of the man who apparently represented him in a futile effort to save his job.  The fiancée...had no relation, outside of his relationship with her.

Even though it leaves a bad taste in my mouth to do so, I'll grant the other two deaths, because they were cops, and supposedly what he was raging against.  Monica Quan wasn't a cop.

People here and elsewhere cheered her death and the death of her fiancée, and when they were called out on it, made comments that suggested "Well, she shouldn't have been related to the guy he was really angry at."

What.

The.

Actual.

Fark.

You mean to tell me that I should be rooting for a sad-sack waste of cells that couldn't even have had the decency to go after the person he was pissed at, and went after his daughter instead?

That is why I refuse to even entertain the notion of "fark the police".  Because not only are the police more than the asshole cops who need to have their bullshiat called out, but more often than not, the people who are most willing to "fark the police" can't seem to differentiate between actual police and those that they claim to represent when they do so.
2014-08-19 10:43:49 PM  
1 votes:

*TWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET111111!!!!!!*


End of second Quarter.
Armchair Quarterbacks will retreat to the kitchen for more Mountain Dew and Cheetos..


Half-time show will be a bunch of pre-menopausal, yet hefty mothers  doing Yoga, because they are our new sponsors.

And the hindsight bowl will resume in 5 minutes.
2014-08-19 10:22:30 PM  
1 votes:

jasonvatch: Don't they have tasers?

What the f*ck is wrong with these cops? Is there an interest on the part of some cops to CREATE a riot? Are they completely stupid, or should we be investigating a conspiracy?


i.qkme.me
2014-08-19 10:20:21 PM  
1 votes:

Delay: Ctrl-Alt-Del: Delay: If I were the cops I would set up a containment perimeter, call for immediate reinforcement, sit in the car and begin writing my report. So what if the delusional suspect steps away? How far can a delusional person go in 5 minutes that killing him is the best police response?

I dunno - seems like he only has to go down one or two houses to find an innocent bystander to kill. But yeah, cops should just wait it out in the car. That lady two doors down is a biatch anyway

Why would he do that? All his actions targeted the police.


Because a delusional person would never mistake Ms. Finch in 13B with a CIA agent broadcasting painwaves into his skull. All his actions up to that point  targeted the police, so it's clear he would do nothing but target the police from that point forward, because if there's one thing we know about delusional people, they are extremely  predictable
2014-08-19 10:18:36 PM  
1 votes:

moothemagiccow: Smeggy Smurf: El_Perro: jasonvatch: cretinbob: jasonvatch: Don't they have tasers?

I don't know about there, but here, generally no. You'll have one officer/deputy who carries one and the rest just have regular sidearms

Nightsticks? Flashlights?

I admit that I wouldn't want to take on a knife-wielding idiot with a nightstick. But two cops? I suspect they received some training in the past - and the baton has enough reach and mass to break the arm holding the knife.

We use drones to kill 'suspects' in other countries. 'Lethal response' seems to be OK here, since nobody biatched when we did it there.

The next red light you run could be a death sentence.

If you are close enough to "break the arm holding the knife," the guy holding the knife is close enough to kill you  with the knife.

Are you aware there are these things called instructors that can teach you how to disarm somebody?  If not, please refer to your nearest source of internet, go to the Google search engine and in the little box for searching input the words "Krav Maga".  Click on the links, read the information, watch the videos and then return to this thread with an informed opinion.  Otherwise you will lack the necessary words to at least appear slightly more than a moron.

/This message brought to you by the council to mock and ridicule the silly

Do the instructors train on real crackheads with real knives? Otherwise it's farking useless


Crackheads never follow the script.
2014-08-19 10:16:40 PM  
1 votes:

Yogimus: No, really. That is slightly graphic. Only slightly.


Fark off. And fark your argument. I could give a shiat less about your farking point.

Slightly graphic is grainy surveillance footage of 3 robbers jumping a shop owner in a blur of shiatty frame rate and resolution. Slightly graphic is three people carrying a fight out of frame, and two people coming back in frame. Slighly graphic is a body lying in a street 30 feet away.

Slightly graphic is not well lit medical shots of people farking flayed open from a knife fight.

Tag your farking links appropriately. I don't mind gore per say but I want to know it's its gore before I farking click on it - the same way I don't like clicking links that say "artistic nudes" and getting "the best of bestiality anal prolapse 7."
2014-08-19 10:15:04 PM  
1 votes:

NickelP: jasonvatch: cretinbob: jasonvatch: Don't they have tasers?

I don't know about there, but here, generally no. You'll have one officer/deputy who carries one and the rest just have regular sidearms

Nightsticks? Flashlights?

I admit that I wouldn't want to take on a knife-wielding idiot with a nightstick. But two cops? I suspect they received some training in the past - and the baton has enough reach and mass to break the arm holding the knife.

We use drones to kill 'suspects' in other countries. 'Lethal response' seems to be OK here, since nobody biatched when we did it there.

The next red light you run could be a death sentence.

I got shot at for cutting in line in front of a cop at McDonalds this morning, then when I complained the departments military handyman down TANK raped my cat.  This shiat is just getting ridiculous.

Lets do this thing buddy. Do you have a catchy chant we can use?  We will both go scream it out the window for 5 minutes and then we will see real change.


thelifeofjwo.files.wordpress.com
2014-08-19 10:12:34 PM  
1 votes:
FTA: The chief said that the officers repeatedly ordered the 23-year-old man to drop the knife and drew their weapons after he refused. The chief said the man told the police: "Shoot me now. Kill me now."

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2014-08-19 10:03:44 PM  
1 votes:

NickelP: jasonvatch: cretinbob: jasonvatch: Don't they have tasers?

I don't know about there, but here, generally no. You'll have one officer/deputy who carries one and the rest just have regular sidearms

Nightsticks? Flashlights?

I admit that I wouldn't want to take on a knife-wielding idiot with a nightstick. But two cops? I suspect they received some training in the past - and the baton has enough reach and mass to break the arm holding the knife.

We use drones to kill 'suspects' in other countries. 'Lethal response' seems to be OK here, since nobody biatched when we did it there.

The next red light you run could be a death sentence.

I got shot at for cutting in line in front of a cop at McDonalds this morning, then when I complained the departments military handyman down TANK raped my cat.  This shiat is just getting ridiculous.

Lets do this thing buddy. Do you have a catchy chant we can use?  We will both go scream it out the window for 5 minutes and then we will see real change.


Robotussin is a helluva drug.
2014-08-19 10:03:18 PM  
1 votes:

Yogimus: Slightly graphic.


i.imgur.com

i.imgur.com
2014-08-19 10:00:36 PM  
1 votes:
Why didn't the police use water cannons, or shoot the guy with ear plugs?
2014-08-19 10:00:35 PM  
1 votes:
When you pull a knife on a gun, you get a gun.

Play stupid games, get stupid prizes.
2014-08-19 09:59:14 PM  
1 votes:

moothemagiccow: Do the instructors train on real crackheads with real knives?


Blaze away. They bought their ticket.
2014-08-19 09:55:29 PM  
1 votes:

moothemagiccow: MadeInDetroit: Sadly there is no money left in their budget for tasers. Those tanks, cool camo, body armor, and endless supply of tear gas/smoke grenades are not cheap. Besides who signs up to use non lethal force when you got this cool gun?

Yeah I remember everyone farking loved it when cops started being armed with tasers. We watched that shiat on youtube and laughed and laughed. "Don't tase me bro." No one got upset about that shiat at all. We didn't freak out even a little when some kid with a heart condition bit it.

And now everyone loves tasers. Is the desire to biatch online or just to eliminate every police force? Seriously, what the fark is the gun for? If you wanna question one farking thing, fark the farking tanks. No one's been killed with a tank or a tear gas grenade yet. You wanna get mad about something? Get mad at the thing that actually kills people, the thing that every cop on duty wears. I'm sure you'll probably get pissed at the patrol car before you even think of questioning that every farking beat cop has a gun.


great speech but only one problem. Police in the rest of the country are trained on matching appropriate force with force with most never having to fire a weapon one time on duty in their careers. You have nightsticks, pepper spray, mace, flash grenades, rubber bullets, bean bags, LRAD, extensive hand to hand training to disarm a knife, or wait for it...talking down the situation using all four years of the criminal justice degree you earned. The rest of the police across the country somehow are able to do this and excel at their job protecting the country.
2014-08-19 09:54:28 PM  
1 votes:

Smeggy Smurf: El_Perro: jasonvatch: cretinbob: jasonvatch: Don't they have tasers?

I don't know about there, but here, generally no. You'll have one officer/deputy who carries one and the rest just have regular sidearms

Nightsticks? Flashlights?

I admit that I wouldn't want to take on a knife-wielding idiot with a nightstick. But two cops? I suspect they received some training in the past - and the baton has enough reach and mass to break the arm holding the knife.

We use drones to kill 'suspects' in other countries. 'Lethal response' seems to be OK here, since nobody biatched when we did it there.

The next red light you run could be a death sentence.

If you are close enough to "break the arm holding the knife," the guy holding the knife is close enough to kill you  with the knife.

Are you aware there are these things called instructors that can teach you how to disarm somebody?  If not, please refer to your nearest source of internet, go to the Google search engine and in the little box for searching input the words "Krav Maga".  Click on the links, read the information, watch the videos and then return to this thread with an informed opinion.  Otherwise you will lack the necessary words to at least appear slightly more than a moron.

/This message brought to you by the council to mock and ridicule the silly


So ninja cops?
2014-08-19 09:53:18 PM  
1 votes:

LineNoise: and of course if he got tazered and then fell and cracked his head open, people would be yelling about why they didn't try some other method.


You could've tickled him until he dropped the knife!!
2014-08-19 09:39:08 PM  
1 votes:

jasonvatch: cretinbob: jasonvatch: Don't they have tasers?

I don't know about there, but here, generally no. You'll have one officer/deputy who carries one and the rest just have regular sidearms

Nightsticks? Flashlights?

I admit that I wouldn't want to take on a knife-wielding idiot with a nightstick. But two cops? I suspect they received some training in the past - and the baton has enough reach and mass to break the arm holding the knife.


No.  You attack a gun, the gun is going to be what responds. Sorry. Do not pass go, do not collect your food stamps.
2014-08-19 09:36:32 PM  
1 votes:

jasonvatch: Don't they have tasers?

What the f*ck is wrong with these cops? Is there an interest on the part of some cops to CREATE a riot? Are they completely stupid, or should we be investigating a conspiracy?


Tasers are a courtesy.
2014-08-19 09:30:46 PM  
1 votes:
Beanbag guns?  Net Guns? Rubber bullets?  High-Velocity Earplugs?
2014-08-19 09:26:59 PM  
1 votes:

jasonvatch: Don't they have tasers?

What the f*ck is wrong with these cops? Is there an interest on the part of some cops to CREATE a riot? Are they completely stupid, or should we be investigating a conspiracy?


Tasers are an alternative to talking, shooting is an alternative to tasers.
2014-08-19 06:29:16 PM  
1 votes:
Recently released dispatcher tapes has police officer asking for a non white officer to respond.
 
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