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(NBC News)   St. Louis City Police Chief Sam Dotson sadly gives a lesson in how to handle an officer involved shooting with a direct detailed account of another shooting   (nbcnews.com) divider line 582
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2014-08-20 12:22:13 AM  

nyseattitude: https://twitter.com/AntonioFrench

Antonio French @AntonioFrench  · 7s
So far, so good. https://twitter.com/hashtag/PeaceInFerguson>#PeaceInFerguson


I like the "Peace Train"


So your saying you are terrorist   ?,  singing Sharia law glorifying songs?

/Sorry not at my best tonight
 
2014-08-20 12:22:47 AM  
Cyclometh:

/I should be less of a history geek

Send some Kansas Jayhawkers in to assist with the unrest in Missouri.
Have the William Clarke Quantrill Society arrange hospitality and accommodation.
 
2014-08-20 12:23:14 AM  
DrExplosion:
Double sarcasm!? I knew the Holocaust was bad, but I'd never even heard of this. Those damn Nazis...

But don't forget, still not as bad as Tasers.
 
2014-08-20 12:23:27 AM  

Cyclometh: Heh, I was wrong. I thought you were making a (very) oblique reference to the fact that the Gestapo wasn't responsible for the Holocaust, the SS was.


Uh, the Gestapo was responsible for guarding and maintaining the Jewish ghettos, and they had their own squads that hunted down jews/undesirables in order to send them to concentration camps or directly put them to death.

They didn't operate the big concentration camps, but that doesn't mean they weren't responsible.
 
2014-08-20 12:23:52 AM  

Cyclometh: Heh, I was wrong


About oh so much in this thread.
 
2014-08-20 12:23:57 AM  

albatros183: Tenz83: bait

Ok while that may be true it does seem very lopsided, the example cited for the UK is of a sniper(from the SWAT type unit) killing someone, which is the same as the one I am thinking of here in TO, but in the US it is a thing, ie why we even have a term for it. So it seems a bit disingenuous to to say that it is baiting, also WTF am I supposed to be baiting?, Cop hate?, pretty sure I don't need to here, pointing out that the US has a really badly broken social hierarchy is baiting?.


Baiting as in "only the US" has suicide by cop. Society all over is broken. The US making the term doesn't mean it only occurs in the US. And by your use of Baiting of US hate when suicide by cop isn't exclusive to the US.
 
2014-08-20 12:24:32 AM  
The peace train has no breaks!
 
2014-08-20 12:25:01 AM  
Where is everyone tonight?
 
2014-08-20 12:25:33 AM  
I bet the tension would settle if the cops started throwing beads.
 
2014-08-20 12:30:45 AM  
Live ammunition question Tim?
 
2014-08-20 12:31:22 AM  

nyseattitude: Live ammunition question Tim?


Police are  not happy he's asking that question.
 
2014-08-20 12:34:04 AM  

nyseattitude: Where is everyone tonight?


Far from Ferguson, last Black kid the cops murder here, he got charged, so no riots, of course this is the first time ever, and the Crown is playing for time by adding charges to drag things out, same thing happened with the Downtown drug squad that was accused of Dealing, extortion and multiple murders, got thrown out because of "delays"
 
2014-08-20 12:34:16 AM  

Cyclometh: nyseattitude: Live ammunition question Tim?

Police are  not happy he's asking that question.


Translation: yes, they have live ammo, but they're not going to admit it.
 
2014-08-20 12:37:58 AM  

Cyclometh: nyseattitude: Live ammunition question Tim?

Police are  not happy he's asking that question.


LOL at the bolded text to make it sound as though that statement was newsworthy.

The SOP for just about every job in the real world (burger flipper to CEO) is to defer to the media officer if the media ever asks you a question.
 
2014-08-20 12:40:01 AM  
Tim's got some people on megaphone suggesting everyone wrap for the night, get some sleep and show up bright-eyed and bushy-tailed at the grand jury tomorrow morning.
 
2014-08-20 12:40:53 AM  

Gosling: Tim's got some people on megaphone suggesting everyone wrap for the night, get some sleep and show up bright-eyed and bushy-tailed at the grand jury tomorrow morning.


I really hope they don't try to disrupt the grand jury. Tainting the process won't help.
 
2014-08-20 12:41:10 AM  

albatros183: nyseattitude: Where is everyone tonight?

Far from Ferguson, last Black kid the cops murder here, he got charged, so no riots, of course this is the first time ever, and the Crown is playing for time by adding charges to drag things out, same thing happened with the Downtown drug squad that was accused of Dealing, extortion and multiple murders, got thrown out because of "delays"


Sorry, meant Farkers, not demonstrators.
 
2014-08-20 12:44:29 AM  

Cyclometh: Gosling: Tim's got some people on megaphone suggesting everyone wrap for the night, get some sleep and show up bright-eyed and bushy-tailed at the grand jury tomorrow morning.

I really hope they don't try to disrupt the grand jury. Tainting the process won't help.


Well, I have a feeling that if they think the judicial process has failed there will be issues, and fast. I honestly hope an indictment is made so that this can go through the judicial system with formal charges. Then this thing can hopefulyl be put to rest, and no matter the result, lead to changes to prevent this in the future.
 
2014-08-20 12:45:25 AM  
https://twitter.com/ryanjreilly

Retweeted by
Jake Tapper @jaketapper  · 6m

Out of town protestor was VERY eager to confront police#Ferguson protest leaders steered him away.
 
2014-08-20 12:46:00 AM  

RogermcAllen: The SOP for just about every job in the real world (burger flipper to CEO) is to defer to the media officer if the media ever asks you a question.


Snarky McSnarking smurphing aside, critique the press conference in TFA. Should he have waited for somebody with a more expensive haircut?
 
2014-08-20 12:46:30 AM  
The prosecuting attorney (yes same one that spoke out against the governor for replacing police chief with Ron Johnson) doesn't see a conflict of interest if he has to prosecute the officer. The prosecutor's father, mother, brother, uncle and cousin have all worked for the department, and his father was killed while responding to a call involving a black suspect.
 
2014-08-20 12:47:28 AM  

Yogimus: a FLASHLIGHT (What farking idiot said this? I mean really? I can't be bothered to look, but if this was you, you are a farking moron and should feel bad) w


Flashlights have a long and storied history as crowd control weapons, both for police use and as personal defense weapons. Women used to keep them in their cars for that reason- it wasn't just for repairs. We're not talking little tactical LED thing here, we're talking about the big metal things filled with D cell batteries, often with a 2 foot handles. And we're not talking about shining them in people's eyes. Whack someone with one of those, and you can do some serious, serious damage.

Of course, even the small ones can be very useful when it comes to self defense. Those teeth around the lens that you find on many are explicitly for hitting people with, and blinding people can be very effective. If I get you in the eyes with my 245 lumen flashlight, it's going to distract you, and then I'll have time to hurt you with the metal body.

So yeah, not as stupid as you seem to think it is.
 
2014-08-20 12:48:10 AM  

nyseattitude: albatros183: nyseattitude: Where is everyone tonight?

Far from Ferguson, last Black kid the cops murder here, he got charged, so no riots, of course this is the first time ever, and the Crown is playing for time by adding charges to drag things out, same thing happened with the Downtown drug squad that was accused of Dealing, extortion and multiple murders, got thrown out because of "delays"

Sorry, meant Farkers, not demonstrators.


Class war, think your better than me? just because you pay 5$ a month for CAFE threads?
 
2014-08-20 12:48:16 AM  

nyseattitude: https://twitter.com/ryanjreilly

Retweeted by
Jake Tapper @jaketapper  · 6m

Out of town protestor was VERY eager to confront police#Ferguson protest leaders steered him away.


I have been getting that sense. That looks to be the main tactic tonight: ID the more obvious-looking shiat-stirrers and don't let them get mixed in with everyone else. The locals are kinda fed up with having these huge battles every night.
 
2014-08-20 12:48:35 AM  

Gosling: Tim's got some people on megaphone suggesting everyone wrap for the night, get some sleep and show up bright-eyed and bushy-tailed at the grand jury tomorrow morning.


https://twitter.com/ryanjreilly

Ryan J. Reilly @ryanjreilly  · 16s
"I got warrants in Clayton, fark that." - protestor I overheard discussing planned demonstration tomorrow#Ferguson
 
2014-08-20 12:49:55 AM  

albatros183: nyseattitude: albatros183: nyseattitude: Where is everyone tonight?

Far from Ferguson, last Black kid the cops murder here, he got charged, so no riots, of course this is the first time ever, and the Crown is playing for time by adding charges to drag things out, same thing happened with the Downtown drug squad that was accused of Dealing, extortion and multiple murders, got thrown out because of "delays"

Sorry, meant Farkers, not demonstrators.

Class war, think your better than me? just because you pay 5$ a month for CAFE threads?


What about the Total Farkers that were sponsored up? I didn't pay a cent for this month of TF.
 
2014-08-20 12:50:14 AM  

Yogimus: Gyrfalcon: Enter the Taser, a post-military piece of less-lethal hardware that was NEVER meant to replace the baton, but ONLY to replace a bullet--which should have told people how deadly it really was, but nobody ever put two and two together.

Taser is used on average 28 times per day
550 fatal events related to their use in 13 years.

Apparently you can put the two together, if you would bother.

132,860 uses for 550 deaths.

Pepper spray kills too, but it is harder to get numbers (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/30/mackenzie-cochran-mall-pepp er -spray-dies_n_4695269.html )

No, stun guns, while abhorrent in their existence, are not remotely comparable to firearms.


I'm not sure why you're so adamant on the idea that I'm promoting some agenda. Tasers are not, repeat NOT "non-lethal". They are "LESS-lethal" and always have been.

The issue is not whether they are equal in deaths per thousand to firearms--that is patently absurd--but that they were sold to the public and to many police departments as if they were the opposite--as if they were NOT equivalent to firearms in terms of potential lethality. It's completely irrelevant to my analysis whether there have been 500 deaths in 13 years, or five--the point is that the reason they are in such wide use AT ALL is because the general public has this idea--an idea which has trickled into the police departments that serve that same public--that Tasers are virtually nonlethal, and any deaths have been strange aberrations.

The public perception is that Tasers are a less dangerous alternative to the common nightstick (cf. Fusillade's post up above), when in fact they were intended to be a less dangerous alternative to the firearm. That makes more sense, but because of this perception that they are somehow less dangerous than a nightstick, Tasers are used in situations where a BATON would be unacceptable. They were intended to be used in situations where a GUN would be unacceptable, but where a baton would be useless.

So, OF COURSE there are fewer deaths by Taser than by gun. The problem is, too many of those deaths occur because the Taser should not have been deployed at all--but because of the perception that a Taser should have been used instead of a nightstick (or just a few more minutes of command voice), it was used, fatally.

So you can stop beating me, at least, over the head with your statistics. I'm fully aware that in real numbers, Tasers are less fatal than bullets. However, in the minds of too many people, Tasers are less fatal than fists, and that's where the problem lies.
 
2014-08-20 12:50:21 AM  

WhyKnot: I have played Double Dragon enough to know the cops really only needed to do a jump kick on the suspect. Such an attack is enough to cause said suspect to drop his weapon...the officer will land in a crouching position, but he will be able to stand before the suspect does and thus be the first to retrieve the weapon.

Just saying...


This one of the funniest things I've ever read on Fark. Well done, sir.
 
2014-08-20 12:51:07 AM  

albatros183: nyseattitude: albatros183: nyseattitude: Where is everyone tonight?

Far from Ferguson, last Black kid the cops murder here, he got charged, so no riots, of course this is the first time ever, and the Crown is playing for time by adding charges to drag things out, same thing happened with the Downtown drug squad that was accused of Dealing, extortion and multiple murders, got thrown out because of "delays"

Sorry, meant Farkers, not demonstrators.

Class war, think your better than me? just because you pay 5$ a month for CAFE threads?


Close...

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2014-08-20 12:51:36 AM  

Gosling: nyseattitude: https://twitter.com/ryanjreilly

Retweeted by
Jake Tapper @jaketapper  · 6m

Out of town protestor was VERY eager to confront police#Ferguson protest leaders steered him away.

I have been getting that sense. That looks to be the main tactic tonight: ID the more obvious-looking shiat-stirrers and don't let them get mixed in with everyone else. The locals are kinda fed up with having these huge battles every night.


I recall a video circulating of Alderman French decking an agitator a night or two ago. It was amazing. Protestors are turning against the agitators way more than they were to begin with, which was still a pretty good amount.
 
2014-08-20 12:53:47 AM  
Ah, damn. Someone threw a water bottle at the cops.
 
2014-08-20 12:54:09 AM  
Someone chucked a water bottle. Uh oh. That's usually the first sign.
 
2014-08-20 12:54:35 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
2014-08-20 12:55:02 AM  

Gosling: Someone chucked a water bottle. Uh oh. That's usually the first sign.


Yeah. Here comes the LRAD. After that will be the CS.
 
2014-08-20 12:55:17 AM  
Aaw geez, not this shiat again.
/Yes, this shiat again.
 
2014-08-20 12:55:59 AM  

Caffienatedjedi: Gosling: nyseattitude: https://twitter.com/ryanjreilly

Retweeted by
Jake Tapper @jaketapper  · 6m

Out of town protestor was VERY eager to confront police#Ferguson protest leaders steered him away.

I have been getting that sense. That looks to be the main tactic tonight: ID the more obvious-looking shiat-stirrers and don't let them get mixed in with everyone else. The locals are kinda fed up with having these huge battles every night.

I recall a video circulating of Alderman French decking an agitator a night or two ago. It was amazing. Protestors are turning against the agitators way more than they were to begin with, which was still a pretty good amount.


Yes. There was also a guy approaching the police line while pointing and yelling. He ran up, grabbed him and physically dragged him back into the crowd.
 
2014-08-20 12:56:16 AM  
Someone telling people to turn cameras off?
 
2014-08-20 12:57:31 AM  
lol, seriously? SWAT coming in for a stolen mobile phone?
 
2014-08-20 12:58:58 AM  
Ah, here we go with the "and/or other actions" guy.
 
2014-08-20 12:59:32 AM  
VICE livestream up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24e6RfL_jbg

SWAT rolling up, someone stole a cell phone, SWAT rolling up, locals herding people onto sidewalk, Tim Pool on scene, another bottle thrown.

Local: "Stay back, I just got a gun right in my face..."
Microphone Cop: "You need to immediately stop throwing objects and disperse immediately."
Tim Pool: "They're now giving the order to disperse. This is usually where things go bad..."
 
2014-08-20 01:00:06 AM  

Cyclometh: Ah, here we go with the "and/or other actions" guy.


This is the "If you have stolen roadsigns and are now walking around with them in the street, you may be arrested guy."

I like him more. He is funny.
 
2014-08-20 01:00:07 AM  
Oh fark.
 
2014-08-20 01:00:11 AM  

MadeInDetroit: The prosecuting attorney (yes same one that spoke out against the governor for replacing police chief with Ron Johnson) doesn't see a conflict of interest if he has to prosecute the officer. The prosecutor's father, mother, brother, uncle and cousin have all worked for the department, and his father was killed while responding to a call involving a black suspect.


Would you buy an acquittal from this man?

/needs a pic of J. Nixon flashing a peace sign
 
2014-08-20 01:00:22 AM  
Live rounds. Fark.
 
2014-08-20 01:00:27 AM  

chozo13: I am okay with his one. No one in their right mind would grapple a crazy man with a knife if there were any other options available. Guy rushed the cops and was literally asking to be killed.

I feel bad for the cops being forced to be this jerks suicide tool. No one should be put through that.


Really, if some criminal came at a civilian with a knife and that civilian was armed, would anyone question that person shooting the guy with the knife?
 
2014-08-20 01:00:31 AM  
So, what happens if it turns out the guy with the knife was seriously mentally ill and couldn't even grasp what he was doing? Or are we juts declaring open season on mentally ill people cause it's easier that way?
 
2014-08-20 01:00:43 AM  

Cyclometh: Someone telling people to turn cameras off?


The trouble makers did the same thing Saturday and Sunday night.
 
2014-08-20 01:00:56 AM  
Now they're trying to corral the media back into their pen.
 
2014-08-20 01:02:46 AM  

WhyteRaven74: So, what happens if it turns out the guy with the knife was seriously mentally ill and couldn't even grasp what he was doing? Or are we juts declaring open season on mentally ill people cause it's easier that way?


Frost: What are we supposed to do, man? Use harsh language?
 
2014-08-20 01:04:20 AM  
Everybody seems to love Tim Pool but as I listen to him, I think he's an idiot.
Every time he gives his little recap of events he presents it as this simplistically dichotomous snippet of "reached for the gun" versus "hands up, don't shoot".

I'm thinking adrenalin junky, controversy junky, AW. Drama for the sake of drama with more interest in spectacle than objective reporting!  It's a "reality TV" variant of reality. I guess I need another drink.
 
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