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2014-08-19 10:21:40 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: El_Perro: jasonvatch: cretinbob: jasonvatch: Don't they have tasers?

I don't know about there, but here, generally no. You'll have one officer/deputy who carries one and the rest just have regular sidearms

Nightsticks? Flashlights?

I admit that I wouldn't want to take on a knife-wielding idiot with a nightstick. But two cops? I suspect they received some training in the past - and the baton has enough reach and mass to break the arm holding the knife.

We use drones to kill 'suspects' in other countries. 'Lethal response' seems to be OK here, since nobody biatched when we did it there.

The next red light you run could be a death sentence.

If you are close enough to "break the arm holding the knife," the guy holding the knife is close enough to kill you  with the knife.

Are you aware there are these things called instructors that can teach you how to disarm somebody?  If not, please refer to your nearest source of internet, go to the Google search engine and in the little box for searching input the words "Krav Maga".  Click on the links, read the information, watch the videos and then return to this thread with an informed opinion.  Otherwise you will lack the necessary words to at least appear slightly more than a moron.

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See:

LoneWolf343: You clearly have no training or experience in these matters at all, or else you wouldn't say that. If you are in a knife fight, you are losing. It doesn't matter if your weapon has a bit more reach and you have a bit more training. If you are in a knife fight, you are losing. A little MA training doesn't make you invincible, and what cops learn is minimal. If you are in a knife fight, you are losing. Real life ain't like the movies.

 
2014-08-19 10:22:30 PM  

jasonvatch: Don't they have tasers?

What the f*ck is wrong with these cops? Is there an interest on the part of some cops to CREATE a riot? Are they completely stupid, or should we be investigating a conspiracy?


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2014-08-19 10:22:42 PM  

Yogimus: Elegy: Yogimus: No, really. That is slightly graphic. Only slightly.

Fark off. And fark your argument. I could give a shiat less about your farking point.

Slightly graphic is grainy surveillance footage of 3 robbers jumping a shop owner in a blur of shiatty frame rate and resolution. Slightly graphic is three people carrying a fight out of frame, and two people coming back in frame. Slighly graphic is a body lying in a street 30 feet away.

Slightly graphic is not well lit medical shots of people farking flayed open from a knife fight.

Tag your farking links appropriately. I don't mind gore per say but I want to know it's its gore before I farking click on it - the same way I don't like clicking links that say "artistic nudes" and getting "the best of bestiality anal prolapse 7."

Seriously... that is only slightly graphic. Want me to post some real shiat? I would prefer not to. Not much need to see what happens during puncture wounds, or when intestines vacate through un-natural holes. You're a big boy. control your mouse.


I agree. However that image did give me that funny feeling like when we used to climb the rope in gym class.
 
2014-08-19 10:22:46 PM  

RogermcAllen: So I don't have a good frame of reference yet tonight.  Where is KARG in relation to yesterday, and where are the police?


I've been following it, seems to be down at the moment. It was following a march earlier, with just a few police with regular uniforms and long batons walking around. Seemed pretty quiet.
 
2014-08-19 10:22:59 PM  

vodka: They didn't even need tasers in this case. Just back off and stop trying to project their authoritah like the trained monkeys that they are.


This is less stupid than the geniuses up thread suggesting they should've knocked it out of his hand with a flashlight, but it's still not particularly smart if there are other people around.
 
2014-08-19 10:23:24 PM  

Yogimus: http://mjm.luckygunner.com/2010/09/14/interview-with-jurors-at-your-m u rder-trial-after-they-convict-you/comment-page-1/

Just a knife.

Slightly graphic, but if you can take a knife (like a boss) you should be fine.


...that is not what I'd call 'slightly' graphic. That's the aftermath of a vigorous night of loving from Edward Scissorhands.
 
2014-08-19 10:23:39 PM  

Cyclometh: Yes, they are nearly as bad as a gun, because they're still a deadly weapon and should not be used unless it's really necessary because there's no good reason to risk someone's life just because a cop needs a midol.


I would like to see nothing more than tasers be stripped from law enforcement use.

They are not anywhere NEAR as bad as a gun. Your statement is avant garde level of disassociated with reality.  See, the reason I take issue with your statement, is because I am on YOUR side in this debate, and quite frankly, you're not helping with that nonsense.
 
2014-08-19 10:23:48 PM  

Cyclometh: RogermcAllen: So I don't have a good frame of reference yet tonight.  Where is KARG in relation to yesterday, and where are the police?

I've been following it, seems to be down at the moment. It was following a march earlier, with just a few police with regular uniforms and long batons walking around. Seemed pretty quiet.


Police sound on edge on the scanner though. Saying the crowd is growing and becoming more aggressive.
 
2014-08-19 10:23:48 PM  

Cyclometh: In regard to the situation in TFA, I don't see how the cops could have easily gotten out of it without using deadly force. The guy was clearly bent on it and once things get past a certain point, it's game on. This was pretty clearly a justifiable, if regrettable, use of force- based on what information we have right now.


Yeah. I mean, I'm just about the libbiest lib around, but I find it mind boggling that people are actually criticizing the cops in this situation. An unpredictable, probably delusional guy wielding a deadly weapon? Yeah, no
 
2014-08-19 10:23:54 PM  
Consider yourself lucky if you encounter a cop and you survive.  Cops will kill you at any provocation and get away with it.
 
2014-08-19 10:24:34 PM  

vodka: They didn't even need tasers in this case. Just back off and stop trying to project their authoritah like the trained monkeys that they are.


Yes, just leave the crazed man with a knife and a death wish alone. What's the worst that can happen?
 
2014-08-19 10:24:46 PM  

Gosling: Yogimus: http://mjm.luckygunner.com/2010/09/14/interview-with-jurors-at-your-m u rder-trial-after-they-convict-you/comment-page-1/

Just a knife.

Slightly graphic, but if you can take a knife (like a boss) you should be fine.

...that is not what I'd call 'slightly' graphic. That's the aftermath of a vigorous night of loving from Edward Scissorhands.


Most of those are fairly mild as far ad knife fight injuries go.
 
2014-08-19 10:25:09 PM  

Yogimus: Cyclometh: Yes, they are nearly as bad as a gun, because they're still a deadly weapon and should not be used unless it's really necessary because there's no good reason to risk someone's life just because a cop needs a midol.

I would like to see nothing more than tasers be stripped from law enforcement use.

They are not anywhere NEAR as bad as a gun. Your statement is avant garde level of disassociated with reality.  See, the reason I take issue with your statement, is because I am on YOUR side in this debate, and quite frankly, you're not helping with that nonsense.


Yea, good difference between Guns and Tasers. Guns are lethal force, Tasers are less lethal. Less lethal should be used as a substitute for lethal though, not a compliance device.
 
2014-08-19 10:26:18 PM  

Cyclometh: Yogimus: FloridaFarkTag: Folks also have died being tased, so the liability with tasers is nearly as bad as a gun

This is a lie.

Tasers can and do kill. Just because their risk of lethality is lower does not make them non-lethal in every case.


Tasers are classified as intermediate weapons, I think. Which is to say, below deadly weapons, but still above bare hands. Another problem is that in a lot of places you need separate certification to even be able to carry a taser, which it's possible that not every officer has.
 
2014-08-19 10:26:20 PM  
steamingpile:Also was the whole cop had a broken eye socket bullshiat or are people ignoring that point?



All I can find about it is links to the first story on this Google search. No "mainstream" stories.
 
2014-08-19 10:26:27 PM  

AeAe: Consider yourself lucky if you encounter a cop and you survive.  Cops will kill you at any provocation and get away with it.


I'm okay with this.jpeg
 
2014-08-19 10:26:38 PM  

AeAe: Consider yourself lucky if you encounter a cop and you survive.  Cops will kill you at any provocation and get away with it.


Well, any provocation like wielding a knife and saying shoot me, just shoot me.
 
2014-08-19 10:26:39 PM  

moothemagiccow: MadeInDetroit: moothemagiccow: MadeInDetroit: moothemagiccow: MadeInDetroit: Sadly there is no money left in their budget for tasers. Those tanks, cool camo, body armor, and endless supply of tear gas/smoke grenades are not cheap. Besides who signs up to use non lethal force when you got this cool gun?

Yeah I remember everyone farking loved it when cops started being armed with tasers. We watched that shiat on youtube and laughed and laughed. "Don't tase me bro." No one got upset about that shiat at all. We didn't freak out even a little when some kid with a heart condition bit it.

And now everyone loves tasers. Is the desire to biatch online or just to eliminate every police force? Seriously, what the fark is the gun for? If you wanna question one farking thing, fark the farking tanks. No one's been killed with a tank or a tear gas grenade yet. You wanna get mad about something? Get mad at the thing that actually kills people, the thing that every cop on duty wears. I'm sure you'll probably get pissed at the patrol car before you even think of questioning that every farking beat cop has a gun.

great speech but only one problem. Police in the rest of the country are trained on matching appropriate force with force with most never having to fire a weapon one time on duty in their careers. You have nightsticks, pepper spray, mace, flash grenades, rubber bullets, bean bags, LRAD, extensive hand to hand training to disarm a knife, or wait for it...talking down the situation using all four years of the criminal justice degree you earned. The rest of the police across the country somehow are able to do this and excel at their job protecting the country.

Hahahahaha you think this is an isolated incident? This is just the newest one you heard about. I'm sorry I couldn't get you to be a better advocate. I could really give a shiat that cops wear guns and occasionally use them.

No these occurrences happen all day but yet not all of them result in police shooting them. Me ...


And do you think the police kill every single one of them that asked? Or if the fact that a lot of police also have a military background that would also help them in a situation like this with training on identifying mental illness. Mental illness is nothing new to them. There are justified kills in law enforcement when they are in danger or have exhausted every other option.
 
ecl [TotalFark] [BareFark]
2014-08-19 10:26:41 PM  

Cyclometh: Marches on the KARG livestream now.


March going where? Frontenac?
 
2014-08-19 10:27:29 PM  

Caffienatedjedi: Yogimus: Cyclometh: Yes, they are nearly as bad as a gun, because they're still a deadly weapon and should not be used unless it's really necessary because there's no good reason to risk someone's life just because a cop needs a midol.

I would like to see nothing more than tasers be stripped from law enforcement use.

They are not anywhere NEAR as bad as a gun. Your statement is avant garde level of disassociated with reality.  See, the reason I take issue with your statement, is because I am on YOUR side in this debate, and quite frankly, you're not helping with that nonsense.

Yea, good difference between Guns and Tasers. Guns are lethal force, Tasers are less lethal. Less lethal should be used as a substitute for lethal though, not a compliance device.


And here is the intelligent version of the argument. Tasers being used as compliance tools have left police forces without officers that can talk to folks. THAT is the danger they pose. They create shiatty cops, or more appropriately, allow shiatty cops to stay stagnant in their abilities.
 
2014-08-19 10:27:33 PM  
http://www.crh.noaa.gov/lsx/
funny that the only place in the country with an excessive heat warning today is St Louis
 
2014-08-19 10:27:56 PM  

J Noble Daggett: AeAe: Consider yourself lucky if you encounter a cop and you survive.  Cops will kill you at any provocation and get away with it.

Well, any provocation like wielding a knife and saying shoot me, just shoot me.


Well, obviously that, but others too.
 
2014-08-19 10:28:14 PM  
If you don't shoot him, he potentially kills the officers or bystanders.  That distance, you can't reliably holster your gun, go for the taser as the suspect approaches and if it doesn't have the effect, you may be dead or someone else may be dead.  A knife is a lethal weapon in nearly all circumstances.  Knives defeat the police bullet resistant vests, if you wait and see how the scene develops you may be dead or someone else may be dead. It is an officers responsibility to take that shot, not try and play hero which could get themselves killed, their partner killed, or a bystander killed.  If you believe the officer should have attempted to disarm them in hand to hand fighting, you have watched too many movies.  There are only losers in a knife fight, some lose more than others.

It was a suicide by cop, pure and simple.  The timing is horrible, but really there is never a good time to kill a suspect.  If the public cannot see this act as justified, chances are they are completely unreasonable and live in a fantasy world where all police officers must act like Chuck Norris  and simply roundhouse their way to a solution.
 
ecl [TotalFark] [BareFark]
2014-08-19 10:28:30 PM  
IaMB stream for those too lazy to search...

http://new.livestream.com/accounts/9035483/events/3271930
 
2014-08-19 10:28:42 PM  

Ctrl-Alt-Del: Cyclometh: In regard to the situation in TFA, I don't see how the cops could have easily gotten out of it without using deadly force. The guy was clearly bent on it and once things get past a certain point, it's game on. This was pretty clearly a justifiable, if regrettable, use of force- based on what information we have right now.

Yeah. I mean, I'm just about the libbiest lib around, but I find it mind boggling that people are actually criticizing the cops in this situation. An unpredictable, probably delusional guy wielding a deadly weapon? Yeah, no


This exactly. The police have a right to go home without a stab wound because some psycho pulled knife on them. In a situation like that, you shoot to protect yourself.
 
2014-08-19 10:29:42 PM  
Are any of the feeds from Ferguson up right now?
 
2014-08-19 10:29:45 PM  

Yogimus: They are not anywhere NEAR as bad as a gun. Your statement is avant garde level of disassociated with reality.  See, the reason I take issue with your statement, is because I am on YOUR side in this debate, and quite frankly, you're not helping with that nonsense.


Son, you're not on my side. You're over there with the guys I wear faceshields when I talk to because of the spittle flying. Calm yer tits.

And yes, again- they ARE as bad as a gun because their use constitutes deadly force, by definition. The consequence of their use  tends to be less severe than for a firearm, but they are  still lethal weapons and should not be used casually. Don't dismiss their dangers just because you have this idea that there's varying degrees of "deadly force". Escalation past a certain point is just about how much risk you're willing to take on and that judgement is made in instants.

I consider tasers to be a useful device in that they can help prevent what would otherwise be a death, but because they have this reputation (fomented by people like yourself) of being "not as bad as a gun", it becomes far easier to justify their use in situations not calling for deadly force.
 
2014-08-19 10:30:03 PM  

Jobber8742: Ctrl-Alt-Del: Cyclometh: In regard to the situation in TFA, I don't see how the cops could have easily gotten out of it without using deadly force. The guy was clearly bent on it and once things get past a certain point, it's game on. This was pretty clearly a justifiable, if regrettable, use of force- based on what information we have right now.

Yeah. I mean, I'm just about the libbiest lib around, but I find it mind boggling that people are actually criticizing the cops in this situation. An unpredictable, probably delusional guy wielding a deadly weapon? Yeah, no

This exactly. The police have a right to go home without a stab wound because some psycho pulled knife on them. In a situation like that, you shoot to protect yourself.


I am usually with the "fark the police" crowd but I don't see what they should have done differently here.
 
2014-08-19 10:30:09 PM  

Daedalus27: If you don't shoot him, he potentially kills the officers or bystanders.  That distance, you can't reliably holster your gun, go for the taser as the suspect approaches and if it doesn't have the effect, you may be dead or someone else may be dead.  A knife is a lethal weapon in nearly all circumstances.  Knives defeat the police bullet resistant vests, if you wait and see how the scene develops you may be dead or someone else may be dead. It is an officers responsibility to take that shot, not try and play hero which could get themselves killed, their partner killed, or a bystander killed.  If you believe the officer should have attempted to disarm them in hand to hand fighting, you have watched too many movies.  There are only losers in a knife fight, some lose more than others.

It was a suicide by cop, pure and simple.  The timing is horrible, but really there is never a good time to kill a suspect.  If the public cannot see this act as justified, chances are they are completely unreasonable and live in a fantasy world where all police officers must act like Chuck Norris  and simply roundhouse their way to a solution.


One officer could of gone for a taser while the other kept his service weapon trained on the guy, that is if either had a taser. But that is hindsight 20/20. I am sure they will regret not managing to take him alive, but their application of lethal force felt justifiable.
 
ecl [TotalFark] [BareFark]
2014-08-19 10:30:23 PM  

redly1: http://www.crh.noaa.gov/lsx/
funny that the only place in the country with an excessive heat warning today is St Louis


Heat and Humidity are good friends of ours.  We've been BFF's for as long as I can remember honestly.
 
2014-08-19 10:31:46 PM  
Tasers are supposed to be a substitute for deadly force. Though I've been hearing not all cops have tasers, so its possible they didn't have that option.

Tasers AREN'T supposed to be a substitute for deadly force.  Good god the ignorance of the average poster hurts my brain.
 
2014-08-19 10:32:39 PM  
Good lord....here on Fark...

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If you think that

1. Cops should ...or should be trained to grapple, fence, tase, attempt to disarm, or otherwise let a knife wielding asshole within 10 feet of them, have a cat scan, i think you have lost connection with natural realty.

2. Shoot him in the leg, the arm, talk to him, or do other things to a man who is coming at you with a knife, again, get a cat scan...you have something wrong with your brain.

3. use multiple officers to pile on him, or, as has been stated., sit in the squad car until he goes away, seriously, you have no idea of self protection, police work, or common sense. Get a mri.

4. shoot him with bean bag rounds, or any other non lethal weapon that is supposed to gain compliance. Sounds good, but running at cops with a knife is threatening them with a lethal weapon, and is met with lethal force. Maybe they should have asked him to slow down, so they could get some of those non lethal items out of the trunk? Because they had all day to deal with him you know, not just seconds.

if you think any of these things are or should have been valid alternatives, check yourself into the nearest reality clinic, i hear they can help now.
 
2014-08-19 10:32:47 PM  

Jobber8742: Ctrl-Alt-Del: Cyclometh: In regard to the situation in TFA, I don't see how the cops could have easily gotten out of it without using deadly force. The guy was clearly bent on it and once things get past a certain point, it's game on. This was pretty clearly a justifiable, if regrettable, use of force- based on what information we have right now.

Yeah. I mean, I'm just about the libbiest lib around, but I find it mind boggling that people are actually criticizing the cops in this situation. An unpredictable, probably delusional guy wielding a deadly weapon? Yeah, no

This exactly. The police have a right to go home without a stab wound because some psycho pulled knife on them. In a situation like that, you shoot to protect yourself.


For some reason, idiot Farkers underestimate how nasty of a weapon a knife is.

Knives tend to cause extremely painful and slow deaths.

There is no way I would try to disarm a guy with a knife - if an attacker is within 20 feet or so I am shooting.
 
2014-08-19 10:33:35 PM  

Rotluchs: Tasers are supposed to be a substitute for deadly force. Though I've been hearing not all cops have tasers, so its possible they didn't have that option.

Tasers AREN'T supposed to be a substitute for deadly force.



This. Tasers were to reduce the number of times cops used big wooden sticks to subdue people.

  Good god the ignorance of the average poster hurts my brain.

And that.
 
2014-08-19 10:34:27 PM  

Caffienatedjedi: Cyclometh: RogermcAllen: So I don't have a good frame of reference yet tonight.  Where is KARG in relation to yesterday, and where are the police?

I've been following it, seems to be down at the moment. It was following a march earlier, with just a few police with regular uniforms and long batons walking around. Seemed pretty quiet.

Police sound on edge on the scanner though. Saying the crowd is growing and becoming more aggressive.


Odd.  I can't find any live streams or cable coverage.  Hopefully this just means it is so boring that there is no need to show anything.

Last night seemed to go pretty well, lets hope for another good one (good as in restrained crowd and police).
 
2014-08-19 10:34:29 PM  

ecl: IaMB stream for those too lazy to search...

http://new.livestream.com/accounts/9035483/events/3271930


Some other links...

https://twitter.com/AmyKNelson

https://twitter.com/AntonioFrench

https://twitter.com/ryanjreilly
 
2014-08-19 10:34:53 PM  

Bit'O'Gristle: Good lord....here on Fark...

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If you think that

1. Cops should ...or should be trained to grapple, fence, tase, attempt to disarm, or otherwise let a knife wielding asshole within 10 feet of them, have a cat scan, i think you have lost connection with natural realty.

2. Shoot him in the leg, the arm, talk to him, or do other things to a man who is coming at you with a knife, again, get a cat scan...you have something wrong with your brain.

3. use multiple officers to pile on him, or, as has been stated., sit in the squad car until he goes away, seriously, you have no idea of self protection, police work, or common sense. Get a mri.

4. shoot him with bean bag rounds, or any other non lethal weapon that is supposed to gain compliance. Sounds good, but running at cops with a knife is threatening them with a lethal weapon, and is met with lethal force. Maybe they should have asked him to slow down, so they could get some of those non lethal items out of the trunk? Because they had all day to deal with him you know, not just seconds.

if you think any of these things are or should have been valid alternatives, check yourself into the nearest reality clinic, i hear they can help now.


Yeah, I'm actually kind of flummoxed at the backseat drivers here. I'm as suspicious of cops as the next guy, but come on, real life isn't like an episode of Walker, Texas Ranger. Cops aren't going to be going all kung fu on someone; that is not how it works in the real world.
 
2014-08-19 10:35:41 PM  
KARG is back up. Undefined crowd scenes, lots of cops and seems calm at the moment wherever they are.
 
2014-08-19 10:36:03 PM  

Cyclometh: Yogimus: They are not anywhere NEAR as bad as a gun. Your statement is avant garde level of disassociated with reality.  See, the reason I take issue with your statement, is because I am on YOUR side in this debate, and quite frankly, you're not helping with that nonsense.

Son, you're not on my side. You're over there with the guys I wear faceshields when I talk to because of the spittle flying. Calm yer tits.

And yes, again- they ARE as bad as a gun because their use constitutes deadly force, by definition. The consequence of their use  tends to be less severe than for a firearm, but they are  still lethal weapons and should not be used casually. Don't dismiss their dangers just because you have this idea that there's varying degrees of "deadly force". Escalation past a certain point is just about how much risk you're willing to take on and that judgement is made in instants.

I consider tasers to be a useful device in that they can help prevent what would otherwise be a death, but because they have this reputation (fomented by people like yourself) of being "not as bad as a gun", it becomes far easier to justify their use in situations not calling for deadly force.


Insisting on stupidity doesn't make the point more intelligent.

A taser is not remotely comparable to a gun. But since you made the claim, please back it with whatever you may consider facts. Wait, let me do the work for you. 550 or so folks killed by tasers. As of 2001. (Technically complications due to tasing)

Tasers are used 28 times per day.

I am not calling you an idiot. Just saying facts tend to paint you like one. Because you have no farking grasp of what words mean.
 
2014-08-19 10:36:22 PM  

jasonvatch: I admit that I wouldn't want to take on a knife-wielding idiot with a nightstick. But two cops? I suspect they received some training in the past - and the baton has enough reach and mass to break the arm holding the knife.


You know what they say about knife fights? The winner is the one that dies in the ambulance.

You've got better odds of surviving a bullet wound than surviving a knife wound. It's not the responsibility of the police to put themselves in mortal danger to avoid killing psychopaths.
 
2014-08-19 10:37:12 PM  

Cyclometh: Yogimus: They are not anywhere NEAR as bad as a gun. Your statement is avant garde level of disassociated with reality.  See, the reason I take issue with your statement, is because I am on YOUR side in this debate, and quite frankly, you're not helping with that nonsense.

Son, you're not on my side. You're over there with the guys I wear faceshields when I talk to because of the spittle flying. Calm yer tits.

And yes, again- they ARE as bad as a gun because their use constitutes deadly force, by definition. The consequence of their use  tends to be less severe than for a firearm, but they are  still lethal weapons and should not be used casually. Don't dismiss their dangers just because you have this idea that there's varying degrees of "deadly force". Escalation past a certain point is just about how much risk you're willing to take on and that judgement is made in instants.

I consider tasers to be a useful device in that they can help prevent what would otherwise be a death, but because they have this reputation (fomented by people like yourself) of being "not as bad as a gun", it becomes far easier to justify their use in situations not calling for deadly force.


I think everyone agrees here, that application of a taser is applying lethal force, albeit less lethal. And again, I think we agree they should not be used as a compliance device. But a gun is more lethal than a taser. That means it is guaranteed deadly force, and whoever is on the victim side of that is not going to be walking anywhere soon. I would indeed argue to their being levels of deadly force. You have less lethal, and lethal. When it can be helped, lethal should never be used, but less lethal should only be used in situations that would warrrant lethal if less lethal were not availible.

So to consider them on par as dangers is a bit of hyperbole that undermines the entire argument. There should be no justification using a taser in a situation where lethal force would not be used. But when people compare tasing to being shot, I'm sure most would rather be tased.
 
2014-08-19 10:37:49 PM  

Yogimus: Because you have no farking grasp of what words mean.


I find this statement to be highly entertaining.
 
2014-08-19 10:39:05 PM  

Yogimus: FloridaFarkTag: Folks also have died being tased, so the liability with tasers is nearly as bad as a gun

This is a lie.


http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-man-tased-by-p ol ice-while-resisting-arrest-dies-20140521-story.html

Uh oh!

/Used Chicago for effect
 
2014-08-19 10:40:03 PM  

jasonvatch: cretinbob: jasonvatch: Don't they have tasers?

I don't know about there, but here, generally no. You'll have one officer/deputy who carries one and the rest just have regular sidearms

Nightsticks? Flashlights?

I admit that I wouldn't want to take on a knife-wielding idiot with a nightstick. But two cops? I suspect they received some training in the past - and the baton has enough reach and mass to break the arm holding the knife.

We use drones to kill 'suspects' in other countries. 'Lethal response' seems to be OK here, since nobody biatched when we did it there.

The next red light you run could be a death sentence.


lassos
the answer is more rodeo time and mandatory calf roping classes for all LEOs

sure, it isn't dignified but everyone gets to live and, afterwards? clowns!
 
2014-08-19 10:40:17 PM  

Rotluchs: Tasers are supposed to be a substitute for deadly force. Though I've been hearing not all cops have tasers, so its possible they didn't have that option.

Tasers AREN'T supposed to be a substitute for deadly force.  Good god the ignorance of the average poster hurts my brain.


/Agree, tasers are an intermediate weapon NOT LIKELY TO CAUSE DEATH OR MAJOR DAMAGE. And if someone is coming at you with a knife, you have the right (plus common sense) to use a gun to stop them.  The derpers are thick tonight on fark.
 
2014-08-19 10:41:24 PM  

Bit'O'Gristle: Rotluchs: Tasers are supposed to be a substitute for deadly force. Though I've been hearing not all cops have tasers, so its possible they didn't have that option.

Tasers AREN'T supposed to be a substitute for deadly force.  Good god the ignorance of the average poster hurts my brain.

/Agree, tasers are an intermediate weapon NOT LIKELY TO CAUSE DEATH OR MAJOR DAMAGE. And if someone is coming at you with a knife, you have the right (plus common sense) to use a gun to stop them.  The derpers are thick tonight on fark.


Honestly, I think the naysayers are those who have never seen a knife fight or the aftermath.
 
2014-08-19 10:41:26 PM  

Caffienatedjedi: There should be no justification using a taser in a situation where lethal force would not be used.


The entire point of a taser is to use it when deadly force is not justified. They were not designed to replace guns, they were designed to replace nightsticks. They are called a "less lethal device" because they are supposed to be used in non-lethal situations, but they sometimes kill.
 
2014-08-19 10:42:23 PM  

kaduh: Yogimus: FloridaFarkTag: Folks also have died being tased, so the liability with tasers is nearly as bad as a gun

This is a lie.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-man-tased-by-p ol ice-while-resisting-arrest-dies-20140521-story.html

Uh oh!

/Used Chicago for effect


http://mjm.luckygunner.com/2010/09/14/interview-with-jurors-at-your- mu rder-trial-after-they-convict-you/comment-page-1/

I can link irrelevant data points, too.
 
2014-08-19 10:42:40 PM  

Cyclometh: Yogimus: Because you have no farking grasp of what words mean.

I find this statement to be highly entertaining.


He don't know you very well, do he? - bugs bunny
 
2014-08-19 10:43:49 PM  
*TWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET111111!!!!!!*


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Armchair Quarterbacks will retreat to the kitchen for more Mountain Dew and Cheetos..


Half-time show will be a bunch of pre-menopausal, yet hefty mothers  doing Yoga, because they are our new sponsors.

And the hindsight bowl will resume in 5 minutes.
 
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