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(Christian Science Monitor)   Hezbollah lowers minimum age for fighters to 16 so it can better fight ISIS. Whoever wins... we lose   (csmonitor.com) divider line 84
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2014-08-19 05:12:54 PM  
win-win
crazy muslims killing each other
there is no down side to this
we need to properly arm each side, so that the fighting can continue.

seriously
get all the nuts fighting in one place

/hell, you can even nuke them from orbit everyone once in a while
 
2014-08-19 05:16:14 PM  
I can't read that headline without it saying "minimum wage". So, fark you for that subby.

/is that still ok to say?
 
2014-08-19 05:27:27 PM  
If only we could air-lift Hamas into the crossfire.
 
2014-08-19 05:36:17 PM  

Uncle Eazy: I can't read that headline without it saying "minimum wage". So, fark you for that subby.

/is that still ok to say?


thanks, now you broke my brain
 
2014-08-19 07:28:44 PM  
Not really a loss. Hizb Allah iis not a threat to anyone who isn't invading or knocking on Lebanon's door. They have their hands full as a the quasi-govermental entity running south Lebanon and fighting in Syria. The so-called "Islamic State" is probably the far bigger global threat in the long run.
 
2014-08-19 07:50:00 PM  
Duh, just hire ODIN, they always seem to get the better of ISIS
 
2014-08-19 08:11:31 PM  
Further proof that the U.S. and Israel are just sideshows to the Main Event.
 
2014-08-19 08:12:51 PM  
Are you kidding, we win both ways.

/also, just posted over in the toilet thread, and now I'm on flood prevention?   Some new fascist Fark policy?
 
2014-08-19 08:14:44 PM  
Well, ain't this some Shi'ite!
 
2014-08-19 08:14:50 PM  

MemeSlave: /also, just posted over in the toilet thread, and now I'm on flood prevention?


There's a poop joke there somewhere.
 
2014-08-19 08:15:21 PM  
But ISIS has Conway Stern.

38.media.tumblr.com
 
2014-08-19 08:15:36 PM  
I wonder if a planet-wide implosion would be created if Israel offered to help Hezbollah with the ISIS problem.

That'd fark with their minds.
 
2014-08-19 08:15:48 PM  
and? what was that song from the 80s? the average age of the american combat soldier in vietnam was 19. ni-ni-nineteen. ain't that how it went?
 
2014-08-19 08:18:37 PM  
Will of...Allah?
 
2014-08-19 08:21:46 PM  

BigNumber12: Further proof that the U.S. and Israel are just sideshows to the Main Event.


What would that be?
 
2014-08-19 08:23:40 PM  
I dunno, mutual destruction is ok with me
 
2014-08-19 08:23:40 PM  

BigNumber12: Further proof that the U.S. and Israel are just sideshows to the Main Event.


Is there a de-sidified version available?
 
2014-08-19 08:23:58 PM  

Omahawg: and? what was that song from the 80s? the average age of the american combat soldier in vietnam was 19. ni-ni-nineteen. ain't that how it went?


Nineteen nananana nineteen ... thats how i remember it. Back when MTV played music. Havent thought about that song in years. Didnt that come out around the time of the movies Platoon, Hamburger Hill, etc?
 
2014-08-19 08:27:23 PM  

namatad: win-win
crazy muslims killing each other
there is no down side to this


You ever watch Once Upon a Time in Mexico?

There was this scene where a bunch of hitmen were in a bar, getting bored.  Eventually they started killing each other.  The strongest survived.

This is what we'd get... a strong, well-practiced crazy, instead of a bunch of inept ones.
 
2014-08-19 08:31:04 PM  

Igor Jakovsky: Omahawg: and? what was that song from the 80s? the average age of the american combat soldier in vietnam was 19. ni-ni-nineteen. ain't that how it went?

Nineteen nananana nineteen ... thats how i remember it. Back when MTV played music. Havent thought about that song in years. Didnt that come out around the time of the movies Platoon, Hamburger Hill, etc?


huh. 1985. I thought it was later 80s.



19


I don't know about you but I didn't know shiat when I was 16 OR 19. kids are easy to manipulate and thus make great soldiers, every high school recruiting officer said forever
 
2014-08-19 08:33:23 PM  

namatad: win-win
crazy muslims killing each other
there is no down side to this
we need to properly arm each side, so that the fighting can continue.

seriously
get all the nuts fighting in one place

/hell, you can even nuke them from orbit everyone once in a while


Remember that Iran Vs. Iraq war?
We picked Iraq and armed Saddam.
How did that work out for us?
 
2014-08-19 08:33:35 PM  

ElLoco: I wonder if a planet-wide implosion would be created if Israel offered to help Hezbollah with the ISIS problem.

That'd fark with their minds.


ISIS has already managed to get Turkey working with the Kurds, which is almost unheard of.  Israel preferring to deal with Hezbollah rather then ISIS and manipulating the situation in Hezbollah's favor isn't entirely implausible.

They probably wouldn't do it publicly though.  Even if Hezbollah's leadership was cool with it, they would never accept assistance from Israel publicly unless the very existence of Hezbollah was in jeopardy.  Though the fact they've felt the need to lower the minimum fighting age (when as far as I know they have never done so previously) could mean Hezbollah at least thinks that's a possibility.
 
2014-08-19 08:34:06 PM  

Omahawg: and? what was that song from the 80s? the average age of the american combat soldier in vietnam was 19. ni-ni-nineteen. ain't that how it went?


And the guy doing the sampled voice over part did and still does the voice over work on a lot of TV shows.
 
2014-08-19 08:36:24 PM  
Who cares. Iran and Iraq fought each other in the desert for eight years (longest conventional war of the 20th century) and nobody in the US gave a shiat then. Why give a shiat now? They're only killing each other and people over there?
 
2014-08-19 08:37:55 PM  
Sunni days
Chasing Shi'ites away
ISIS prey
But here come the Hezbollah

Can you tell me how to get
How to get to Schismy Street
 
2014-08-19 08:40:17 PM  
If anyone still believed in "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" anymore, we'd all be having one big-ass group hug right about now
 
2014-08-19 08:43:13 PM  

Mister Peejay: namatad: win-win
crazy muslims killing each other
there is no down side to this

You ever watch Once Upon a Time in Mexico?

There was this scene where a bunch of hitmen were in a bar, getting bored.  Eventually they started killing each other.  The strongest survived.

This is what we'd get... a strong, well-practiced crazy, instead of a bunch of inept ones.


So what you're saying is that after 1,500 years of religious war, now their getting serious?
 
2014-08-19 08:43:23 PM  

Walker: namatad: win-win
crazy muslims killing each other
there is no down side to this
we need to properly arm each side, so that the fighting can continue.

seriously
get all the nuts fighting in one place

/hell, you can even nuke them from orbit everyone once in a while

Remember that Iran Vs. Iraq war?
We picked Iraq and armed Saddam.
How did that work out for us?


Well, we were arming Iran also,
with Conrta money so there's that
 
2014-08-19 08:49:09 PM  

ElLoco: I wonder if a planet-wide implosion would be created if Israel offered to help Hezbollah with the ISIS problem.

That'd fark with their minds.


I bet Obama created ISIS to bring peace to the Middle East.
 
2014-08-19 08:50:18 PM  

charlesmartel11235: Who cares. Iran and Iraq fought each other in the desert for eight years (longest conventional war of the 20th century) and nobody in the US gave a shiat then. Why give a shiat now? They're only killing each other and people over there?


We armed Saddam
 
2014-08-19 08:50:57 PM  

Kanemano: Walker: namatad: win-win
crazy muslims killing each other
there is no down side to this
we need to properly arm each side, so that the fighting can continue.

seriously
get all the nuts fighting in one place

/hell, you can even nuke them from orbit everyone once in a while

Remember that Iran Vs. Iraq war?
We picked Iraq and armed Saddam.
How did that work out for us?

Well, we were arming Iran also,
with Conrta money so there's that


Nice
 
2014-08-19 08:52:52 PM  
Fark wouldn't allow me to link, but here is an interesting read about the Syrian War from Robert Ford @ Foreign Policy Magazine. August 13, 2014.

Don't believe everything you read in the media: The moderate rebels of Syria are not finished. They have gained ground in different parts of the country and have broken publicly with both the al Qaeda affiliate operating there and the jihadists of the Islamic State. Meanwhile, President Bashar al-Assad's regime is showing new signs of weakness.

The death of moderate armed opposition elements has been greatly exaggerated. These groups -- whom I define as fighters who are not seeking to impose an Islamic state, but rather leaving that to a popular decision after the war ends -- have recently gained ground in Idlib province in northwestern Syria, and have nearly surrounded the provincial capital. If the rebels are ever to demonstrate military capacity, it should be in Idlib, where the supply lines from Turkey are easily accessible.

Their advances over the past month also extend beyond Idlib. Notably, moderate armed groups repelled regime attacks in the vicinity of the town of Morek, in west-central Hama province, and also advanced on the Hamidiyah air base there. They even damaged aircraft at the air base, with some reports claiming that they used surface-to-air missiles.

Moreover, they launched renewed rebel incursions into Damascus from the nearby eastern suburb of Jobar on July 25 and 26. The regime reportedly even had to re-route Damascus city buses. These incursions follow the successful operations by the Army of Islam, led by an ambitious Islamist commander named Zahran Alloush, who declared war on the Islamic State and expelled it entirely from Damascus's eastern suburbs after bloody fighting earlier in the month. Rebels in Aleppo have also begun an operation to cut off the regime's supplies from the south, so their situation in the northern city is not hopeless.

For the regime, the last three weeks have been particularly painful.

For the regime, the last three weeks have been particularly painful. The most frequently cited source for casualty figures, the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, put regime dead at more than 1,000; the figures provided by the armed opposition were more than double that number. Casualties at this rate are not sustainable for the minority-backed regime, and indeed there were reports of new Alawite grumbling about the growing toll. Most notably, Assad's cousin, Falak al-Assad, bitterly criticized the Syrian military and the Syrian state media on social media after images of the massacred Assad forces appeared online.

Many of the regime's new woes, of course, come from a new quarter -- and a group that represents a dangerous threat for the moderates, too. The Islamic State, which has seized large swaths of territory in Iraq, has also ended its de facto truce with the regime: Building on its successes against moderate groups in eastern Syria, the Islamic State seized an army division headquarters in the province of Raqqa, in north-central Syria, as well as a regimental headquarters. More recently, the Islamic State overran the army's Brigade 93, and it is now laying siege to the last remaining Assad-controlled airport in Raqqa province. As the Syrian military keeps large stocks of supplies at such bases, these victories provided the Islamic State with new weapons to continue its military advance. The jihadist group followed up with an unprecedented offensive against the regime in the hard-fought area east of Aleppo, even as it continued to struggle against moderate rebels in the Damascus area.

Despite the moderates' recent gains, their weaknesses remain apparent. They have significant supply shortages, as they still have limited access to ammunition and other military resources. Despite last month's U.N. Security Council resolution to allow aid to rebel-controlled areas, humanitarian supplies have been slow to arrive in desperate areas that are under siege. Coordination among them is still feeble. In early July, moderate rebel groups announced the creation of a combined emergency reaction force in Aleppo, but there is no sign on the battlefield of such forces actually deploying together. They have also still failed to figure out how to reach out to greater portions of the regime base, especially the Alawite community, which forms the core of the regime's support. Islamic State gains in eastern and northern Syria have likely increased the Alawites' fears of extermination -- thereby reinforcing their support for Assad.

There was one positive political sign among the armed opposition, however. For weeks, there have been visible tensions between al-Nusra Front, the al Qaeda affiliate in Syria, and the moderate armed groups. In months past, these diverse groups had coordinated on the ground in the desperate fight against the regime, and then also coordinated to push back the Islamic State. Earlier in July, however, al-Nusra Front quit the arbitration committees overseeing relations among the armed opposition groups in Aleppo and the Damascus suburbs, saying that it did so because the moderate groups "have a different political project." This announcement followed a May 17 communiqué by more moderate Islamists, in which they identified their goal as a state ruled by law (they did not say Islamic law), stated that they would not retaliate against communities that had supported the regime, and promised to respect minorities' rights.

Nusra Front fighters have since clashed with moderate armed elements, but -- unlike the Islamic State -- have not yet declared war on them. There are indications that the al Qaeda affiliate may launch a broader offensive against more secular armed groups like the Syrian Revolutionaries Front in Idlib, a move that would give hard-pressed regime forces in Idlib a breather.

In the months ahead, the moderate armed opposition will remain in the fight and probably even seize more small chunks of territory from the regime. They are also slowly, sometimes painfully, separating themselves from fellow fighters who follow al Qaeda or the Islamic State. These breaks offer them a new opportunity to win over segments of the Alawite community to their cause. As the war drags on, the regime will be in serious trouble if the moderates can convince segments of Assad's supporters that it would be safe to jettison the dictator for a mutually acceptable alternative who could rally both the regime's remaining forces and the moderate armed opposition.
 
2014-08-19 08:52:54 PM  

namatad: win-win
crazy muslims killing each other
there is no down side to this
we need to properly arm each side, so that the fighting can continue.

seriously
get all the nuts fighting in one place

/hell, you can even nuke them from orbit everyone once in a while


If the Shia vs Sunni not so civil war goes regional, they have their own nukes.
static.theglobalmail.org
 
2014-08-19 08:54:57 PM  

Omahawg: Igor Jakovsky: Omahawg: and? what was that song from the 80s? the average age of the american combat soldier in vietnam was 19. ni-ni-nineteen. ain't that how it went?

Nineteen nananana nineteen ... thats how i remember it. Back when MTV played music. Havent thought about that song in years. Didnt that come out around the time of the movies Platoon, Hamburger Hill, etc?

huh. 1985. I thought it was later 80s.

19


I don't know about you but I didn't know shiat when I was 16 OR 19. kids are easy to manipulate and thus make great soldiers, every high school recruiting officer said forever


Yes they are. After I took the ASVAB when I was in high school My family used to get shiat ton of recruiting calls. The one I remember most was hey you could join the Navy and get nuclear training or something like that on a nuke sub.

No thanks.
 
2014-08-19 08:55:30 PM  
Just a sidenote here, more than anything else: The conflict in Syria has killed more Hezbollah fighters than anything that Israel and the US government have done...ever.

The amount of organizational experience and knowledge that they have lost over the past three years is unprecedented.

fark 'em.
 
2014-08-19 08:58:25 PM  

djkutch: BigNumber12: Further proof that the U.S. and Israel are just sideshows to the Main Event.

What would that be?


Sunni-Shia
 
2014-08-19 08:59:27 PM  

TheOther: BigNumber12: Further proof that the U.S. and Israel are just sideshows to the Main Event.

Is there a de-sidified version available?


That's pretty good, but I was really hoping for an 'Oakland' joke.
 
2014-08-19 09:04:32 PM  

Kanemano: namatad: win-win
crazy muslims killing each other
there is no down side to this
we need to properly arm each side, so that the fighting can continue.

seriously
get all the nuts fighting in one place

/hell, you can even nuke them from orbit everyone once in a while

If the Shia vs Sunni not so civil war goes regional, they have their own nukes.
[static.theglobalmail.org image 850x566]


Well, *one* team does, anyway.
 
2014-08-19 09:05:40 PM  

Omahawg: Igor Jakovsky: Omahawg: and? what was that song from the 80s? the average age of the american combat soldier in vietnam was 19. ni-ni-nineteen. ain't that how it went?

Nineteen nananana nineteen ... thats how i remember it. Back when MTV played music. Havent thought about that song in years. Didnt that come out around the time of the movies Platoon, Hamburger Hill, etc?

huh. 1985. I thought it was later 80s.

19


I don't know about you but I didn't know shiat when I was 16 OR 19. kids are easy to manipulate and thus make great soldiers, every high school recruiting officer said forever


I always liked Bruce Cockburn's "If I had a Rocket Launcher"  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7vCww3j2-w
 
2014-08-19 09:05:59 PM  
I was going to say something about the lovely young ladies of the IDF and taking it in the rear, but new rules and such.
 
2014-08-19 09:07:31 PM  

iheartscotch: I was going to say something about the lovely young ladies of the IDF and taking it in the rear, but new rules and such.


Might I add consensual taking of the rear?
 
2014-08-19 09:13:38 PM  
One end in sight?  Good!!  Let the meat grinder spin.
 
2014-08-19 09:15:59 PM  
"Here come the golden oldies
Here come the Hizbollah
Businessmen from South Miami
Humming AOR"

Not obscure....
 
2014-08-19 09:16:31 PM  
Looks like ISIS just beheaded an American journalist. So, odd as it is for me to say, I'm rooting for Hezbollah.

/The enemy of my enemy is my friend.
//For now.
 
2014-08-19 09:17:58 PM  
Shareef don't like it.
 
2014-08-19 09:29:11 PM  

drjekel_mrhyde: We armed Saddam


ugh.

Fact check:

Several Western nations supported Iraq while it was at was with Iran.  Iran was the radicalized theocracy that was considered very dangerous to the entire region at the time.  To simply say "we armed Saddam" makes it sound like he was sitting with no weapons until the U.S. supplied his entire military.  Which of course is silly and naive.  We and other nations, notably France, supplied monetary and munitions support (ammunition).  France alone supplied some complete weapons systems, such as fighter aircraft, and combat helicopters.

For reference, here is a complete list of known weapons systems used by Iraq a few years later years later during the Persian Gulf war (U.S. vs Iraq.).  Note they are all either French, Soviet era, or Arab in origin, and one Chinese missile system (silkworm).  Zero U.S. weapons systems, not one.


Iraqi Aircraft
Dassault F-1 Mirage
Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-21 "Fishbed"
Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-23 "Flogger"
Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-25 "Foxbat"
Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-29 "Fulcrum"
Sukhoi Su-17 "Fitter-C"
Sukhoi Su-20 "Fitter-B"
Sukhoi Su-22 "Fitter"
SA 341 Gazelle
Ilyushin IL-76 "Candid"


Iraqi Land Systems
Al-Hussein
Al-Abbas
BMP-1
T-72
T-62
SS-1 SCUD Frog-7
SA-6
Silkworm


In summary, saying "we armed Saddam" is about as wildly misleading as a statement can get, without quite being 100% lie.  Unfortunately many gullible ignorant people who believe anything they hear take it as gospel, and keep repeating it because they heard it somewhere once..
 
2014-08-19 09:36:31 PM  
At this point, I'm starting to root for Ebola, asteroids and supervolcanoes.
Hicks was right.  We're a virus with shoes.
 
2014-08-19 09:39:05 PM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: drjekel_mrhyde: We armed Saddam

ugh.

Fact check:

Several Western nations supported Iraq while it was at was with Iran.  Iran was the radicalized theocracy that was considered very dangerous to the entire region at the time.  To simply say "we armed Saddam" makes it sound like he was sitting with no weapons until the U.S. supplied his entire military.  Which of course is silly and naive.  We and other nations, notably France, supplied monetary and munitions support (ammunition).  France alone supplied some complete weapons systems, such as fighter aircraft, and combat helicopters.

For reference, here is a complete list of known weapons systems used by Iraq a few years later years later during the Persian Gulf war (U.S. vs Iraq.).  Note they are all either French, Soviet era, or Arab in origin, and one Chinese missile system (silkworm).  Zero U.S. weapons systems, not one.


Iraqi Aircraft
Dassault F-1 Mirage
Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-21 "Fishbed"
Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-23 "Flogger"
Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-25 "Foxbat"
Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-29 "Fulcrum"
Sukhoi Su-17 "Fitter-C"
Sukhoi Su-20 "Fitter-B"
Sukhoi Su-22 "Fitter"
SA 341 Gazelle
Ilyushin IL-76 "Candid"


Iraqi Land Systems
Al-Hussein
Al-Abbas
BMP-1
T-72
T-62
SS-1 SCUD Frog-7
SA-6
Silkworm


In summary, saying "we armed Saddam" is about as wildly misleading as a statement can get, without quite being 100% lie.  Unfortunately many gullible ignorant people who believe anything they hear take it as gospel, and keep repeating it because they heard it somewhere once..


We did arm Iraq. Not with weapons so much but with knowledge (because knowledge is power... GI Joooooe). High ranking American officers were advising their military in battle tactics that that their military didn't know about until then.
 
2014-08-19 09:41:31 PM  
We really need to just go over, stomp the bugs, and leave.
 
2014-08-19 09:43:46 PM  

doglover: If only we could air-lift Hamas into the crossfire.


and the TEAhaddists, Christian Taliban, White Power fanatics, Sovereign Citizens, Al-Shabab, Afghan Taliban, et al.

Why solve just one problem?
 
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