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(CBS Minnesota)   Chris Kluwe and Vikings reach settlement for firing him over gay rights activism. All the money goes to charity. Fabulous   (minnesota.cbslocal.com) divider line 45
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2014-08-19 12:03:19 PM  
Professional sports need more Kluwes.
 
2014-08-19 12:26:30 PM  
This dude rocks. I remember when he was gonna change his name to World Of Warcraft or something.

Awesome dude.
 
2014-08-19 01:57:31 PM  
Class act.

Tony Dungy should take notice.
 
2014-08-19 02:22:39 PM  
He was cut for being a mediocre punter who couldn't help making it about him. If he was Shane Lechler he might have gotten away with it but he was middling at best. I did love his attempts to suppress the NFL's reports that he was not above some pedophilia jokes. Kluwe is not some pillar of virtue, just another guy who runs his mouth, but doesn't have his  head up his ass on LGBT stuff.
 
2014-08-19 02:24:04 PM  
The only way this could get better is if the special teams coach is made to wear all pink for a month.
 
2014-08-19 02:25:15 PM  
 
2014-08-19 02:29:10 PM  

Madewithrealbitsofpanther: He was cut for being a mediocre punter who couldn't help making it about him. If he was Shane Lechler he might have gotten away with it but he was middling at best. I did love his attempts to suppress the NFL's reports that he was not above some pedophilia jokes. Kluwe is not some pillar of virtue, just another guy who runs his mouth, but doesn't have his  head up his ass on LGBT stuff.


He wishes he was Shane Lechler.
www.raiderfans.net
That guy's a beast.
 
2014-08-19 02:34:40 PM  
Secretly, I love that Raiders fans have to tout Lechler (who is a great punter, probably the best in the game) because the Raiders suck that badly.
 
2014-08-19 02:36:40 PM  
Good for Chris, I am a Lions fan (you think) but I think Kluwe is awesome.  My favorite quote from the infamous Deadspin article, "They won't magically turn you into a lustful cockmonster."


http://deadspin.com/5941348/they-wont-magically-turn-you-into-a-lust fu l-cockmonster-chris-kluwe-explains-gay-marriage-to-the-politician-who- is-offended-by-an-nfl-player-supporting-it
 
2014-08-19 02:42:26 PM  
Does anybody actually think sensitivity training is effective? Or can we all agree that in any form it's a legal/HR racket?
 
2014-08-19 02:44:56 PM  
I don't watch American sports, so all I know about Kluwe is that he's a character in Shadowrun Returns.

/a troll
//which I think cost him like $10K or something
 
2014-08-19 02:45:44 PM  

omgbears: Does anybody actually think sensitivity training is effective? Or can we all agree that in any form it's a legal/HR racket?


What do you think is a better solution? Just letting people be sexist racist homophobic or whatever and just let them go? Fire them without explanation?
 
2014-08-19 02:50:04 PM  

omgbears: Does anybody actually think sensitivity training is effective? Or can we all agree that in any form it's a legal/HR racket?


Any training can be effective. Being civilized us not a racket.
 
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2014-08-19 02:50:09 PM  

Facetious_Speciest: I don't watch American sports, so all I know about Kluwe is that he's a character in Shadowrun Returns.

/a troll
//which I think cost him like $10K or something


Didn't know that, or just wasn't paying attention. Heh. But I loved that the game had Holmes and Pitezel.
 
2014-08-19 02:50:37 PM  

omgbears: Does anybody actually think sensitivity training is effective? Or can we all agree that in any form it's a legal/HR racket?


I've never had one that doesn't clearly and efficiently lay out company policy.  But it's primarily designed to provide cause for firing underlings and cover for not firing executives.
 
2014-08-19 02:59:28 PM  

omgbears: Does anybody actually think sensitivity training is effective? Or can we all agree that in any form it's a legal/HR racket?


You're also asking, is anybody so stupid they don't realize what sort of things really offend others and that, if they would rather not offend others, they should not say them? And the answer is, yes. Whether such people are capable of learning, maybe.
 
2014-08-19 03:00:21 PM  
That's good, it really is, but I'm not sure why this is on the Politics tab.
 
2014-08-19 03:02:14 PM  

BMulligan: That's good, it really is, but I'm not sure why this is on the Politics tab.


because we don't have a Fabulous tab, yet.
 
2014-08-19 03:03:42 PM  

Madewithrealbitsofpanther: He was cut for being a mediocre punter who couldn't help making it about him. If he was Shane Lechler he might have gotten away with it but he was middling at best. I did love his attempts to suppress the NFL's reports that he was not above some pedophilia jokes. Kluwe is not some pillar of virtue, just another guy who runs his mouth, but doesn't have his  head up his ass on LGBT stuff.


This. He was actually below average. His last season he was ranked 23rd or so. A below-average punter making league veteran minimum is not going to stay on any team
 
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2014-08-19 03:04:22 PM  
[obligatory Vi-queens comment]
 
2014-08-19 03:05:37 PM  

Isitoveryet: BMulligan: That's good, it really is, but I'm not sure why this is on the Politics tab.

because we don't have a Fabulous tab, yet.


Is this that "gay agenda" I keep hearing so much about?
 
2014-08-19 03:05:42 PM  

BMulligan: That's good, it really is, but I'm not sure why this is on the Politics tab.


Gay rights and speech about gay rights are kind of political topics right now.  Kluwe had an awesome response to a politician using his position to say some stupid things about gay rights and speech about gay rights.

So the Politics tab kind of works for this.
 
2014-08-19 03:24:23 PM  

Facetious_Speciest: I don't watch American sports, so all I know about Kluwe is that he's a character in Shadowrun Returns.

/a troll
//which I think cost him like $10K or something


The shirt he's wearing at the news conference is an exclusive from Path of Exile (included in one of the supporter packs during open beta, as I recall)
 
2014-08-19 03:27:24 PM  
I really like the fact that this settlement is going to charity.
I would rather more lawsuits ended with more people benefitting rather than the money ending up in one person's pocket.
 
2014-08-19 03:41:04 PM  
Chris Kluwe is farking awesome
 
2014-08-19 03:41:58 PM  

Madewithrealbitsofpanther: He was cut for being a mediocre punter who couldn't help making it about him. If he was Shane Lechler he might have gotten away with it but he was middling at best. I did love his attempts to suppress the NFL's reports that he was not above some pedophilia jokes. Kluwe is not some pillar of virtue, just another guy who runs his mouth, but doesn't have his  head up his ass on LGBT stuff.


As someone who sympathizes with Kluwe's political positions, he makes it almost impossible to sympathize with him. I doubt very much his termination had anything to do with homophobia.
 
2014-08-19 03:48:30 PM  

bglove25: Secretly, I love that Raiders fans have to tout Lechler (who is a great punter, probably the best in the game) because the Raiders suck that badly.


Piss off, we have Janikowski to talk about too!
www4.pictures.zimbio.com

And since Lechler is with the Texans, you'll be hearing about him a lot more!
 
2014-08-19 03:52:38 PM  
Packers fan here, and I'm happy that Chris handled himself the way he did. "Something's wrong, I'll talk about it." Good for him.

The Vikings organization clearly had more dirt they didn't want to deal with, so agreeing to charitable donations from their non-profit football team... well, it's a start.
 
2014-08-19 03:53:57 PM  

Boxcutta: I doubt very much his termination had anything to do with homophobia.


No, not homopobia for sure. But his outspokenness on the topic was not matched by his on field production which made it that much easier to cut him.
 
2014-08-19 04:19:34 PM  
Life long Vikings fan here.
The Vikings are just doing this to make him go away and stop being a pain in the ass.  Kluwe had no case that could be won, he was just a thorn in the side and bringing on disparaging accusations that couldn't be disproven or proven.  Basically the Vikes threw some undisclosed $ at some charity and he'll STFU.
Kluwe was let go because the Vikings got a better kicker for way less $$$.  Proof for this is no other team picked up Kluwe, if he was good enough he would have been.

Its too bad, I used to respect the dude.
 
2014-08-19 04:31:04 PM  
I find it amusing that the biggest anti-Kluwe people tend to be Vikings fans.
 
2014-08-19 04:45:41 PM  

Gosling: I find it amusing that the biggest anti-Kluwe people tend to be Vikings fans.


Probably because we have the most information and know the situation the best.  He was dumped because of his play not his advocacy. But as long as he has the sympathies of fellow advocates the bad publicity they can generate has an effect. Some people will even be fooled into believing he was cut for reasons not related to his poor football performance.

He once was a pretty damn good player, and a good guy.  I think he just wasn't prepared for life outside of football when football no longer needed him.
 
2014-08-19 05:21:20 PM  
I heard he's doing well in his job as a bouncer.

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2014-08-19 05:38:44 PM  

Tyee: Gosling: I find it amusing that the biggest anti-Kluwe people tend to be Vikings fans.

Probably because we have the most information and know the situation the best.  He was dumped because of his play not his advocacy. But as long as he has the sympathies of fellow advocates the bad publicity they can generate has an effect. Some people will even be fooled into believing he was cut for reasons not related to his poor football performance.

He once was a pretty damn good player, and a good guy.  I think he just wasn't prepared for life outside of football when football no longer needed him.


This. Long time Viking hater (Packer fan), but Vikings had complete justification to cut him based on his performance. He was below average (ranked 22-23) and there is not a punter in the league who will be ranked that low, making veteran minimum, and still be on a team.

Putting it bluntly, he wasn't good enough for the money they were paying him. Good punters are underrated, but he wasn't a good punter.
 
2014-08-19 07:02:19 PM  

Tyee: Life long Vikings fan here.
The Vikings are just doing this to make him go away and stop being a pain in the ass.  Kluwe had no case that could be won, he was just a thorn in the side and bringing on disparaging accusations that couldn't be disproven or proven.  Basically the Vikes threw some undisclosed $ at some charity and he'll STFU.
Kluwe was let go because the Vikings got a better kicker for way less $$$.  Proof for this is no other team picked up Kluwe, if he was good enough he would have been.

Its too bad, I used to respect the dude.


...what's wrong with him now? He rocked the boat? Got a ludicrously wealthy NFL team to kick a little bit of its money to charities? I'm not exactly seeing a bad side here.
 
2014-08-19 07:31:17 PM  

Madewithrealbitsofpanther: He was cut for being a mediocre punter who couldn't help making it about him. If he was Shane Lechler he might have gotten away with it but he was middling at best. I did love his attempts to suppress the NFL's reports that he was not above some pedophilia jokes. Kluwe is not some pillar of virtue, just another guy who runs his mouth, but doesn't have his  head up his ass on LGBT stuff.


Given that there are 32 teams in the league that means (if he was "middling") that there were only sixteen better punters in the world.  I could deal with the pay associated with being the sixteen best poker/golfer/baseball hitter.
 
2014-08-19 07:32:02 PM  
sixteenth

FTFM
 
2014-08-19 07:33:18 PM  

Inchoate: Tyee: Life long Vikings fan here.
The Vikings are just doing this to make him go away and stop being a pain in the ass.  Kluwe had no case that could be won, he was just a thorn in the side and bringing on disparaging accusations that couldn't be disproven or proven.  Basically the Vikes threw some undisclosed $ at some charity and he'll STFU.
Kluwe was let go because the Vikings got a better kicker for way less $$$.  Proof for this is no other team picked up Kluwe, if he was good enough he would have been.

Its too bad, I used to respect the dude.

...what's wrong with him now? He rocked the boat? Got a ludicrously wealthy NFL team to kick a little bit of its money to charities? I'm not exactly seeing a bad side here.


Sports are involved. Just let them have their tribal hate.
 
2014-08-19 07:57:40 PM  

Empty H: Inchoate: Tyee: Life long Vikings fan here.
The Vikings are just doing this to make him go away and stop being a pain in the ass.  Kluwe had no case that could be won, he was just a thorn in the side and bringing on disparaging accusations that couldn't be disproven or proven.  Basically the Vikes threw some undisclosed $ at some charity and he'll STFU.
Kluwe was let go because the Vikings got a better kicker for way less $$$.  Proof for this is no other team picked up Kluwe, if he was good enough he would have been.

Its too bad, I used to respect the dude.

...what's wrong with him now? He rocked the boat? Got a ludicrously wealthy NFL team to kick a little bit of its money to charities? I'm not exactly seeing a bad side here.

Sports are involved. Just let them have their tribal hate.


Yeah, it was weird seeing fans of the game who I knew as otherwise thoughtful and decent people rally around the Vikings and try to disparage Kluwe. Because the vikings are known for their high moral standing in the state and couldn't possibly be causing any problems.

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2014-08-19 08:12:39 PM  

Tyee: I think he just wasn't prepared for life outside of football when football no longer needed him.


This has got to be the most idiotic comment I've read about the guy lately. Its clear you haven't been following him the last few years.
 
2014-08-20 05:47:41 AM  

J Noble Daggett: omgbears: Does anybody actually think sensitivity training is effective? Or can we all agree that in any form it's a legal/HR racket?

You're also asking, is anybody so stupid they don't realize what sort of things really offend others and that, if they would rather not offend others, they should not say them? And the answer is, yes. Whether such people are capable of learning, maybe.


In the years I worked for Macy's I had to sit through multiple diversity training sessions. Lots of them talked about how you can't racially profile shoplifters and how it's stupid anyway because it doesn't work. Macy's just had to pay out a hefty sum for employees racially profiling shoppers.

So no, I don't think sensitivity training helps anyone but the legitimately clueless.
 
2014-08-20 11:05:27 AM  

MightyPez: Empty H: Inchoate: Tyee: Life long Vikings fan here.
The Vikings are just doing this to make him go away and stop being a pain in the ass.  Kluwe had no case that could be won, he was just a thorn in the side and bringing on disparaging accusations that couldn't be disproven or proven.  Basically the Vikes threw some undisclosed $ at some charity and he'll STFU.
Kluwe was let go because the Vikings got a better kicker for way less $$$.  Proof for this is no other team picked up Kluwe, if he was good enough he would have been.

Its too bad, I used to respect the dude.

...what's wrong with him now? He rocked the boat? Got a ludicrously wealthy NFL team to kick a little bit of its money to charities? I'm not exactly seeing a bad side here.

Sports are involved. Just let them have their tribal hate.

Yeah, it was weird seeing fans of the game who I knew as otherwise thoughtful and decent people rally around the Vikings and try to disparage Kluwe. Because the vikings are known for their high moral standing in the state and couldn't possibly be causing any problems.

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the last pic confuses me, did the vikings have a boat on their team?  i did not see the boat in my nfl game...
 
2014-08-20 11:10:00 AM  

rynthetyn: J Noble Daggett: omgbears: Does anybody actually think sensitivity training is effective? Or can we all agree that in any form it's a legal/HR racket?

You're also asking, is anybody so stupid they don't realize what sort of things really offend others and that, if they would rather not offend others, they should not say them? And the answer is, yes. Whether such people are capable of learning, maybe.

In the years I worked for Macy's I had to sit through multiple diversity training sessions. Lots of them talked about how you can't racially profile shoplifters and how it's stupid anyway because it doesn't work. Macy's just had to pay out a hefty sum for employees racially profiling shoppers.

So no, I don't think sensitivity training helps anyone but the legitimately clueless.


Back in 2005 some of the team decided to run their own love boat. A quick rundown from Wikipedia
 
2014-08-20 11:21:45 AM  

2wolves: Madewithrealbitsofpanther: He was cut for being a mediocre punter who couldn't help making it about him. If he was Shane Lechler he might have gotten away with it but he was middling at best. I did love his attempts to suppress the NFL's reports that he was not above some pedophilia jokes. Kluwe is not some pillar of virtue, just another guy who runs his mouth, but doesn't have his  head up his ass on LGBT stuff.

Given that there are 32 teams in the league that means (if he was "middling") that there were only sixteen better punters in the world.  I could deal with the pay associated with being the sixteen best poker/golfer/baseball hitter.


Except the league minimum for a punter with Kluwe's tenure was $800,000. Kluwe was ranked the 22nd or 23rd punter in the league (so roughly 70% were better than him). A rookie punter fresh out of college would make ~$300,000 and would have a solid chance to do better. Teams aren't going to pay a punter that much money unless he is good. A punter who was worse than 70% of the league's punters? Not a chance.

He did get a try out for the Raiders, too, and got beat out for the job
 
2014-08-20 01:11:22 PM  
It's called extortion.

Leftist groups use it for funding often. See, Jesse Jackson, who made a career out of it.

Give them money and they will go away and bully someone else.
 
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