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(WHO TV Des Moines)   "We're not criminalizing homelessness. We're just going to arrest you if you're homeless here"   (whotv.com ) divider line
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2014-08-19 11:27:51 AM  
You can be homeless and be there. You can't however illegally stash your stuff there.
 
2014-08-19 12:04:42 PM  
La majestueuse égalité des lois, qui interdit au riche comme au pauvre de coucher sous les ponts, de mendier dans les rues et de voler du pain.

How noble the law, in its majestic equality, that both the rich and poor are equally prohibited from peeing in the streets, sleeping under bridges, and stealing bread!

--Anatole France
 
2014-08-19 12:13:29 PM  

liam76: You can be homeless and be there. You can't however illegally stash your stuff there.


If you're homeless, you're not supposed to have stuff anyway

/they're not really "people" after all
//once and likely future non-person
 
2014-08-19 12:28:12 PM  
Go be homeless somewhere else.
 
2014-08-19 12:28:16 PM  
Grade A doublespeak.
 
2014-08-19 12:28:39 PM  
I think my to do list as a homeless would be to get some cheap car. Sleep in the Walmart parking lot.
 
2014-08-19 12:30:20 PM  
When I was in high school the area where I worked had a homeless problem. One night 14 year old me even saw homeless sex and it was just nasty. One day some vans showed up the police put them in there and took them away and we never saw them again. Probably dropped them off somewhere in DC.
 
2014-08-19 12:32:44 PM  
Only if there was a "final solution" for these people, amirite?
 
2014-08-19 12:34:15 PM  

groppet: When I was in high school the area where I worked had a homeless problem. One night 14 year old me even saw homeless sex and it was just nasty. One day some vans showed up the police put them in there and took them away and we never saw them again. But that's the way things are - IN AAAAAAAAALLLL - BUQUERQUE!.


FTFM.
 
2014-08-19 12:36:39 PM  
Madison Square Soapy does not approve
 
2014-08-19 12:37:08 PM  
My mother-in-law goes homeless from time to time. But she chooses to be homeless, which I'd imagine some of these folk choose as well.
 
2014-08-19 12:39:47 PM  
They do this in San Diego in the river bed on occasion. Yes, the homeless get rousted but the filth and detritus, not to mention fecal outflows, have to be cleaned up. Health and safety issues, ya know.

/reality
 
2014-08-19 12:40:22 PM  
My friend would like to know if a basement is the same as a home?
 
2014-08-19 12:41:09 PM  
www.learnnc.org

"Go be homeless somewhere else!"
 
2014-08-19 12:41:52 PM  
I think I speak for the majority of Americans here when I say we don't want your tired, poor, huddled masses any more.

Go be poor somewhere else.  Oh, and let's add your last worldly possessions to the landfill.  You don't deserve them.
 
2014-08-19 12:42:43 PM  
From the comments section:

This is just horrific. They are not bothering anybody. Can't even see them. So What is the Big Deal?

The fact that you "can't even see them" is the big deal.  Try walking around with your eyes open for a change.
 
zez [TotalFark]
2014-08-19 12:43:00 PM  

spawn73: I think my to do list as a homeless would be to get some cheap car. Sleep in the Walmart parking lot.


There are a few here at one of the commuter lots
 
2014-08-19 12:45:37 PM  

spawn73: I think my to do list as a homeless would be to get some cheap car. Sleep in the Walmart parking lot.


That's almost a guaranteed citation. I've got a "oh crap, I'm homeless" contingency plan which, as luck would have it, is the same as my zombie contingency plan.

1. Only carry what I can fit in a backpack because nothing else will really do me any good.
2. Don't create hazards for others....in other words, don't pee in a vestibule.
3. Don't sleep in the same place for more than two nights unless I've found a shelter to take me.
4. Own a very sharp stick.

While I sympathize with some of the homeless, being homeless doesn't mean you have an inherent right to turn a public place into a roadside trash dump.
 
2014-08-19 12:46:26 PM  
Those homeless are ruining my life!
 
2014-08-19 12:49:58 PM  
Des farking Moines farking IOWA is doing this?

Thought the people in Iowa were the nicest folk on earth, bar none. What's happening there?
 
2014-08-19 12:50:12 PM  

Mouser: From the comments section:

This is just horrific. They are not bothering anybody. Can't even see them. So What is the Big Deal?

The fact that you "can't even see them" is the big deal.  Try walking around with your eyes open for a change.


I'm glad that you posted that.  I cringed when I read that.
 
2014-08-19 12:51:00 PM  
These guys must be that 3% of poor people that don't have a refrigerator. I was infromed of that fact by Fox News.
 
2014-08-19 12:51:31 PM  

spawn73: I think my to do list as a homeless would be to get some cheap car. Sleep in the Walmart parking lot.


But then you have to keep it insured, registered, inspected, parked legally... (though Walmart *is* pretty cool about that)
 
2014-08-19 12:54:15 PM  
"If you don't leave, they're going to put you in jail," warned Welch.

If I had been living in a makeshift camp for the last several months. that would sound pretty awesome.
 
2014-08-19 12:57:40 PM  

dolphkhan: spawn73: I think my to do list as a homeless would be to get some cheap car. Sleep in the Walmart parking lot.

But then you have to keep it insured, registered, inspected, parked legally... (though Walmart *is* pretty cool about that)


Not to mention having to keep gas in it so you can move it so it doesn't get towed as an abandoned car.
 
2014-08-19 12:58:03 PM  
We could make difficult decisions and solve problems, but it's more profitable to throw people in jail.
 
2014-08-19 12:58:08 PM  
Oh BooHoo. They dont want them trespassing so *GASP*, they had to check into homeless shelters.
 
2014-08-19 12:58:31 PM  

NutWrench: "If you don't leave, they're going to put you in jail," warned Welch.

If I had been living in a makeshift camp with my kids for the last several months any length of time at all, that would sound pretty awesome.


ftfm.
My "Survivor" challenge: live with my kids. For a week. (Yeah, no one who has ever met them has ever taken me up on it.)
 
2014-08-19 12:59:18 PM  

The Irresponsible Captain: We could make difficult decisions and solve problems, but it's more profitable to throw people in jail.


Welcome to Murica.
 
2014-08-19 12:59:32 PM  
John Rambo seen boarding a plane to Eye-oh-way.
 
2014-08-19 01:00:18 PM  

mama2tnt: Des farking Moines farking IOWA is doing this?

Thought the people in Iowa were the nicest folk on earth, bar none. What's happening there?


Supply-side Jesus.
 
2014-08-19 01:01:08 PM  

mama2tnt: Des farking Moines farking IOWA is doing this?

Thought the people in Iowa were the nicest folk on earth, bar none. What's happening there?


Don't know for sure, but the governor has a pretty big hard on for all things authoritarian. Think he was an MP back in his army days.
 
2014-08-19 01:01:58 PM  

mama2tnt: Des farking Moines farking IOWA is doing this?

Thought the people in Iowa were the nicest folk on earth, bar none. What's happening there?



Maybe homeless people were trampling the corn.
 
2014-08-19 01:02:49 PM  
I can truly feel the deep concern all of you have for the homeless. Touching.
 
2014-08-19 01:03:40 PM  
Why don't they just stop being poor?
 
WGJ [TotalFark]
2014-08-19 01:04:09 PM  

mama2tnt: Des farking Moines farking IOWA is doing this?

Thought the people in Iowa were the nicest folk on earth, bar none. What's happening there?


City administration officials are the same wherever you go.
 
2014-08-19 01:05:06 PM  

fappomatic: spawn73: I think my to do list as a homeless would be to get some cheap car. Sleep in the Walmart parking lot.

That's almost a guaranteed citation. I've got a "oh crap, I'm homeless" contingency plan which, as luck would have it, is the same as my zombie contingency plan.

1. Only carry what I can fit in a backpack because nothing else will really do me any good.
2. Don't create hazards for others....in other words, don't pee in a vestibule.
3. Don't sleep in the same place for more than two nights unless I've found a shelter to take me.
4. Own a very sharp stick.

While I sympathize with some of the homeless, being homeless doesn't mean you have an inherent right to turn a public place into a roadside trash dump.


Well, being from Denmark I have to go by what I know from here. Here I would be allowed to sleep in a car as much as I pleased.

But USA, OK, so Walmart is private property.

Then park your car behind the police station, library, school, any other public parking lot?

The nice thing about a car, is ofcourse that you can move it from spot to spot.
 
2014-08-19 01:06:02 PM  

BEER_ME_in_CT: Oh BooHoo. They dont want them trespassing so *GASP*, they had to check into homeless shelters.


In my home town, the homeless shelters have been at capacity at least 90% of the year for the last five years. They even expanded and doubled the number of beds and that didn't help out much. What should the homeless who can't get a bed there do?
 
2014-08-19 01:07:50 PM  
I didn't read the article but I know in L.A. they do have some sort of law that you can't sit/sleep (?) on the sidewalks on certain streets.  Went to Skid Row and was 'weird' seeing all the homeless people on 2-4 streets but get to one corner/street and then you see all the nice looking buildings and no homeless.  :\
 
2014-08-19 01:10:13 PM  

Serious Black: BEER_ME_in_CT: Oh BooHoo. They dont want them trespassing so *GASP*, they had to check into homeless shelters.

In my home town, the homeless shelters have been at capacity at least 90% of the year for the last five years. They even expanded and doubled the number of beds and that didn't help out much. What should the homeless who can't get a bed there do?


Build their own shelter.  This is still America, dammit!
 
2014-08-19 01:10:29 PM  
Welch was kicked out of a camp site under the George Washington Carver Bridge.

So the homeless are doing all the heavy lifting, and for what?  Peanuts.
 
2014-08-19 01:11:21 PM  

smd31: I didn't read the article but I know in L.A. they do have some sort of law that you can't sit/sleep (?) on the sidewalks on certain streets.  Went to Skid Row and was 'weird' seeing all the homeless people on 2-4 streets but get to one corner/street and then you see all the nice looking buildings and no homeless.  :\


You should head to Santa Monica.  They have their own union.
 
2014-08-19 01:14:34 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: If you're homeless, you're not supposed to have stuff anyway


Nonsense. They're homeless, not "stuffless"
 
2014-08-19 01:16:12 PM  

fappomatic: spawn73: I think my to do list as a homeless would be to get some cheap car. Sleep in the Walmart parking lot.

That's almost a guaranteed citation. I've got a "oh crap, I'm homeless" contingency plan which, as luck would have it, is the same as my zombie contingency plan.


My homeless and zombie plans are different. My "oh crap, I'm homeless" plan is not to get homeless. I've been pretty close before, but being able bodied I could always find work to pay rent for a shiatty room and feed myself. I consider myself fortunate looking back on it. If I had been injured I would've been farked.

My zombie plan is top secret.
 
2014-08-19 01:17:09 PM  

BEER_ME_in_CT: Oh BooHoo. They dont want them trespassing so *GASP*, they had to check into homeless shelters.


FTFA: Central Iowa Shelter and Services said it won't turn away anyone looking for a place to stay, but the shelter is out of beds.  More than 50 people slept in chairs in the shelter's overflow area overnight.

You were saying? Most homeless shelters will put you up only for a few days. Lots of homeless people have mental problems that prevent them from obtaining more permanent shelter. They "choose" homelessness because they can't handle the alternatives, which in this country are a) some church-sponsored thing where they pray at you and won't let you drink (also very temporary) b) jail c) some relative who doesn't want you there, if you're lucky enough to have one.

Places that offer safe, no-strings SRO housing for homeless people with severe mental illness find that they spent FAR less on services like emergency health care and law enforcement (pdf) than when they abandon them to the streets, enough to nearly completely pay for the cost of housing them. But it's a tragedy of the commons thing; when not everywhere offers this sort of safety net, the places that do get overwhelmed.
 
2014-08-19 01:17:41 PM  

Serious Black: BEER_ME_in_CT: Oh BooHoo. They dont want them trespassing so *GASP*, they had to check into homeless shelters.

In my home town, the homeless shelters have been at capacity at least 90% of the year for the last five years. They even expanded and doubled the number of beds and that didn't help out much. What should the homeless who can't get a bed there do?


*crickets*
 
2014-08-19 01:18:29 PM  

thamike: You should head to Santa Monica.  They have their own union.

Here's a union for the unemployed, and you don't need your chauffeur to motor you out to California unless you're out of Grey Poupon..
 
2014-08-19 01:20:08 PM  

spawn73: fappomatic: spawn73: I think my to do list as a homeless would be to get some cheap car. Sleep in the Walmart parking lot.

That's almost a guaranteed citation. I've got a "oh crap, I'm homeless" contingency plan which, as luck would have it, is the same as my zombie contingency plan.

1. Only carry what I can fit in a backpack because nothing else will really do me any good.
2. Don't create hazards for others....in other words, don't pee in a vestibule.
3. Don't sleep in the same place for more than two nights unless I've found a shelter to take me.
4. Own a very sharp stick.

While I sympathize with some of the homeless, being homeless doesn't mean you have an inherent right to turn a public place into a roadside trash dump.

Well, being from Denmark I have to go by what I know from here. Here I would be allowed to sleep in a car as much as I pleased.

But USA, OK, so Walmart is private property.

Then park your car behind the police station, library, school, any other public parking lot?

The nice thing about a car, is ofcourse that you can move it from spot to spot.


Park at a public building except during visiting/business hours, and they'll tow your car and arrest you if you're living in it. You can park on the street where there's street parking, but you'll still get hassled by cops for sleeping in your car. Violates housing laws.
 
2014-08-19 01:20:31 PM  

Ctrl-Alt-Del: MaudlinMutantMollusk: If you're homeless, you're not supposed to have stuff anyway

Nonsense. They're homeless, not "stuffless"


"Homeless" non-households

99.6% have stuff

Source: US Dept. of Bric-a-Brac

 
2014-08-19 01:21:17 PM  

Snarfangel: La majestueuse égalité des lois, qui interdit au riche comme au pauvre de coucher sous les ponts, de mendier dans les rues et de voler du pain.

How noble the law, in its majestic equality, that both the rich and poor are equally prohibited from peeing in the streets, sleeping under bridges, and stealing bread!

--Anatole France


I don't know much about social services in 1910 france, did they have homeless shelters that would take people in when he commented about not skleeping on the streets?

Did he even invite the peopel that were booted out to sleep in his neighborhood?
 
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