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(VG 24/7)   After selling 10 million PS4 consoles since its launch nine months ago, even Sony's top games executive isn't sure who's buying them or why: "We are so happy. But I for one am a bit nervous because we do not completely understand what's happening"   (vg247.com ) divider line
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2014-08-19 11:26:39 AM  
He's no salesman, that's for sure.

"Why, of COURSE it's selling quickly! It's the BEST CONSOLE IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND! YOU'D BETTER BUY ONE AS SOON AS YOU CAN OR YOU'LL REGRET IT FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE!"

See? Was that so hard?
 
2014-08-19 11:54:16 AM  
What hard to understand about "you're not Microsoft"?
 
2014-08-19 12:10:11 PM  
This bad news for me since I was waiting for the price to drop before I bought one.
 
2014-08-19 12:23:06 PM  
img.photobucket.com
 
2014-08-19 12:27:51 PM  
You realize that we're past launch date, right?
 
2014-08-19 01:35:45 PM  

Lando Lincoln: You realize that we're past launch date, right?


Sonybros never pass up an opportunity to take a swipe at Microsoft. Even if it's a very dated swipe.
 
2014-08-19 01:47:40 PM  
He must have come over from Nintendo.
 
2014-08-19 02:07:27 PM  

Saborlas: Lando Lincoln: You realize that we're past launch date, right?

Sonybros never pass up an opportunity to take a swipe at Microsoft. Even if it's a very dated swipe.


Well the roll out is very important. Not only does it show the thought and prep that the different companies put in. It also pulls the "Band Wagon" people waiting to see who will win the console war. The more people the more likely publishers will market and produce for that console.
 
2014-08-19 02:46:48 PM  
Didn't the exact same thing happen with the XBox? It turned out that the Chinese government was buying shiat tons to get parts to make supercomputers because the US won't export those parts to China.
 
2014-08-19 02:48:40 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Well the roll out is very important.


Is, or was?

It's no longer important.
 
2014-08-19 02:51:34 PM  

Old Man Winter: Didn't the exact same thing happen with the XBox? It turned out that the Chinese government was buying shiat tons to get parts to make supercomputers because the US Taiwan won't export those parts to China.

 
2014-08-19 03:08:47 PM  

Old Man Winter: Didn't the exact same thing happen with the XBox? It turned out that the Chinese government was buying shiat tons to get parts to make supercomputers because the US won't export those parts to China.


That theory would make sense if the PS4 wasn't pantsing the One in software sales as well.
 
2014-08-19 03:10:46 PM  

DanZero: img.photobucket.com


That picture is hilariously unfunny.  Xbox One™ is limited to select cities because Microsoft™ wants its fans to be part of an exclusive club.  PlayStation 4 is the Windows™ of game consoles.  It is mass-produced garbage that is produced in order to appeal to the masses.  Microsoft™ wants to personally make sure that every Xbox One Home Entertainment System™ is ready to leave the factories before it gets into the hands of its biggest fans.  That is why Microsoft™ game consoles have developed a reputation for reliability.  Meanwhile, the phones are ringing at Sony, because their profits are in the red, and their company is about to suffer a horrible death.
 
2014-08-19 03:10:53 PM  

Old Man Winter: Didn't the exact same thing happen with the XBox? It turned out that the Chinese government was buying shiat tons to get parts to make supercomputers because the US won't export those parts to China.


It happened to the PS1's back in the 90's. Iran or someone was buying them up to get the processors that they couldn't obtain otherwise.
 
2014-08-19 03:11:05 PM  
Yeah, the whole always-on, Kinect-required BS hit Microsoft good with this one back before launch. Then Sony beat them by a hundred bucks on price and you could basically hear 'The Rains of Castamere' playing at the E3 presser.

Obviously we're well past launch, but my bet would just be that Microsoft never managed to get past that massive terrible PR and the momentum has stayed on Sony's side ever since.
 
2014-08-19 03:13:10 PM  
Is it also a generic computer like PS3 was hoping to be? Some government agencies were buying up PS3s to cluster them together. Maybe they are doing it with PS4s as well?
 
2014-08-19 03:15:00 PM  
Me

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Well the roll out is very important. Not only does it show the thought and prep that the different companies put in. It also pulls the "Band Wagon" people waiting to see who will win the console war. The more people the more likely publishers will market and produce for that console.


You know what that last war did to my son, the prime demographic for consoles?  It converted him to the Glorious PC Gaming Master Race.
 
2014-08-19 03:15:20 PM  

Old Man Winter: Didn't the exact same thing happen with the XBox? It turned out that the Chinese government was buying shiat tons to get parts to make supercomputers because the US won't export those parts to China.


No?

You're thinking of the urban legend about Iraq buying hundreds of PS2s for missile guidance systems, which have no real bearing in fact.

China currently have some of the fastest supercomputers in the world. In fact, the National Super Computer Center in Guangzhou currently is the recordholder for the fastest/most powerful supercomputer in the world. China has no problems buying parts for supercomputers.

China     Tianhe-2 (MilkyWay-2) - TH-IVB-FEP Cluster, Intel Xeon E5-2692 12C 2.200GHz, TH Express-2, Intel Xeon Phi 31S1P
 
2014-08-19 03:17:21 PM  
Both consoles are OK.  No more, no less.
 
2014-08-19 03:21:04 PM  
 
2014-08-19 03:24:01 PM  

Catlenfell: I was buying PS2s
 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2000/12/19/iraq_buys_4000_playstation_ 2s/


Let's look at this objectively:

"According to a WorldNetDaily report, US customs, the FBI and military intelligence - a contradiction in terms if we ever heard one - are investigating shipments of Sony's next-generation games machine to Baghdad. Some 4000 consoles have made their way to Iraq, those agencies reckon."
 
2014-08-19 03:24:03 PM  
The XBone will catch up just like the PS3 did.  MS has been making the right decisions lately, but for me and those I play with it is too late.  We all switched from 360 to PS4. Had the message been what it is now at the reveal, we may still be XB owners.
 
2014-08-19 03:26:42 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: What hard to understand about "you're not Microsoft"?


Funny, that's what he seemed to be saying. In the nicest (and therefore most hurtful) way.
 
2014-08-19 03:28:56 PM  
Well, PS3s were being used to provide brains to early autonomous cars. Maybe the new console is powering the new crop of driverless vehicles.
 
2014-08-19 03:29:52 PM  
There still isn't a "system seller" game for the PS4. Or the Xbox One, for that matter. Are there even any on the horizon?

Generally, you expect good games to start coming out for a new console about 6 months after its release, but this generation is lagging behind, for some reason.

I wonder how long this generation will last. The last generation hung around longer than usual, and it's not like those "old" consoles were really showing their age. A modern 360 or PS3 game looks as good as anything on the PS4 or Xbone (cue the "No, I can see the 1080P difference! idiots).

I have a feeling that we might have finally reached the "plateau" of graphics capability given modern TV capabilities. I mean, yeah, there's always room for improvement, but the improvements are going to *extremely minor* from here on out. The consoles can display pretty much anything - it's down to how much effort the developers put into the artwork, now.

Remember - we STILL don't have a videogame that looks as "realistic" as any given standard-definition NTSC TV show, even though the displays are FAR better. It's not about the technology - it's about the art design, and the cost of creating that art.
 
2014-08-19 03:32:55 PM  
Ok who let Tom cruise use my time machine
 
2014-08-19 03:35:56 PM  

MindStalker: Is it also a generic computer like PS3 was hoping to be? Some government agencies were buying up PS3s to cluster them together. Maybe they are doing it with PS4s as well?


No, because the PS4 is commodity PC hardware. And slow one at that. (so is the Xbox).

There's no cheap super CPU in the PS4.
 
2014-08-19 03:37:36 PM  

realmolo: There still isn't a "system seller" game for the PS4. Or the Xbox One, for that matter. Are there even any on the horizon?

Generally, you expect good games to start coming out for a new console about 6 months after its release, but this generation is lagging behind, for some reason.

I wonder how long this generation will last. The last generation hung around longer than usual, and it's not like those "old" consoles were really showing their age. A modern 360 or PS3 game looks as good as anything on the PS4 or Xbone (cue the "No, I can see the 1080P difference! idiots).

I have a feeling that we might have finally reached the "plateau" of graphics capability given modern TV capabilities. I mean, yeah, there's always room for improvement, but the improvements are going to *extremely minor* from here on out. The consoles can display pretty much anything - it's down to how much effort the developers put into the artwork, now.

Remember - we STILL don't have a videogame that looks as "realistic" as any given standard-definition NTSC TV show, even though the displays are FAR better. It's not about the technology - it's about the art design, and the cost of creating that art.


You sound like the guy who said the original Xbox was some awesome that the PC would never catch up.

All I can say is LoL.

You don't find it problematic that the consoles are even struggling to achieve 1080p? Fine.
 
2014-08-19 03:38:06 PM  

realmolo: There still isn't a "system seller" game for the PS4. Or the Xbox One, for that matter. Are there even any on the horizon?

Generally, you expect good games to start coming out for a new console about 6 months after its release, but this generation is lagging behind, for some reason.

I wonder how long this generation will last. The last generation hung around longer than usual, and it's not like those "old" consoles were really showing their age. A modern 360 or PS3 game looks as good as anything on the PS4 or Xbone (cue the "No, I can see the 1080P difference! idiots).

I have a feeling that we might have finally reached the "plateau" of graphics capability given modern TV capabilities. I mean, yeah, there's always room for improvement, but the improvements are going to *extremely minor* from here on out. The consoles can display pretty much anything - it's down to how much effort the developers put into the artwork, now.

Remember - we STILL don't have a videogame that looks as "realistic" as any given standard-definition NTSC TV show, even though the displays are FAR better. It's not about the technology - it's about the art design, and the cost of creating that art.


This

I have one console now and its ps3 mainly because its a blu-ray, the best thing about the new gen is that I can start picking up titles for cheap.
I have a huge back log of games I would like to get through. I would imagine that I will skip this generation of consoles.
 
2014-08-19 03:39:03 PM  
If you don't know why you're successful but you're still selling a metric assload of product you keep making the product while you figure out (with expensive consultants aka HIRE ME) why you're making dump truck loads of money.
 
2014-08-19 03:41:26 PM  
Bitcoin farming?
Or maybe they bought their own stock to drive the numbers up.

/I dunno man... You guys sold the things, you tell me where they went.
 
2014-08-19 03:41:37 PM  
Just came in to say I'm quite happy with my xboxone. And you're right - I almost never play games on it, but I still use it just about every day and remain happy with how it's performing. I use it for netflix and video rentals and the kids who visit adore the damn thing for games which I'm too stupid to play. Yes, I certainly could have purchased a cheaper device and no, I do not care one whit about that.
 
2014-08-19 03:45:22 PM  
in other news, Sony executives caught playing with the pot and LSD.
 
2014-08-19 03:46:44 PM  

Lando Lincoln: He's no salesman, that's for sure.

"Why, of COURSE it's selling quickly! It's the BEST CONSOLE IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND! YOU'D BETTER BUY ONE AS SOON AS YOU CAN OR YOU'LL REGRET IT FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE!"

See? Was that so hard?



that didn't seem hard at all.
 
2014-08-19 03:47:44 PM  

way south: Bitcoin farming?
Or maybe they bought their own stock to drive the numbers up.

/I dunno man... You guys sold the things, you tell me where they went.


They're being bought en masse and network-clustered for supercomputing. By... uhm...

FEMA! The Illuminati! Uhm....

To... to... develop... uhm... undetectable poisons and new mind control devices. Yeah, that's it.
 
2014-08-19 03:48:17 PM  

Old Man Winter: Didn't the exact same thing happen with the XBox? It turned out that the Chinese government was buying shiat tons to get parts to make supercomputers because the US won't export those parts to China.



the U.S. doesn't mind sending 'murican jobs to commie china for cheap labor to feed 'murican stock owners, though.
 
2014-08-19 03:49:57 PM  
spawn73:
You don't find it problematic that the consoles are even struggling to achieve 1080p? Fine.

No, I don't. Why is it problematic? Do the games look like crap? No, they look great. 1080P would be *unnoticeable*.

You are what we used to call a "graphics whore".
 
2014-08-19 03:49:58 PM  
Playstation4: 1
XboxOne:      0


thank you.
 
2014-08-19 03:50:53 PM  

Space Station Wagon: realmolo: There still isn't a "system seller" game for the PS4. Or the Xbox One, for that matter. Are there even any on the horizon?

Generally, you expect good games to start coming out for a new console about 6 months after its release, but this generation is lagging behind, for some reason.

I wonder how long this generation will last. The last generation hung around longer than usual, and it's not like those "old" consoles were really showing their age. A modern 360 or PS3 game looks as good as anything on the PS4 or Xbone (cue the "No, I can see the 1080P difference! idiots).

I have a feeling that we might have finally reached the "plateau" of graphics capability given modern TV capabilities. I mean, yeah, there's always room for improvement, but the improvements are going to *extremely minor* from here on out. The consoles can display pretty much anything - it's down to how much effort the developers put into the artwork, now.

Remember - we STILL don't have a videogame that looks as "realistic" as any given standard-definition NTSC TV show, even though the displays are FAR better. It's not about the technology - it's about the art design, and the cost of creating that art.

This

I have one console now and its ps3 mainly because its a blu-ray, the best thing about the new gen is that I can start picking up titles for cheap.
I have a huge back log of games I would like to get through. I would imagine that I will skip this generation of consoles.


Yup!  First time I've ever had no drive to pick up a new system which works out well with my current back log.

- Last Of Us: Left Behind
- Walking Dead Season 2
- AC4
- GTAV
- MGS: Ground Zeroes
 
2014-08-19 03:52:32 PM  

realmolo: spawn73:
You don't find it problematic that the consoles are even struggling to achieve 1080p? Fine.

No, I don't. Why is it problematic? Do the games look like crap? No, they look great. 1080P would be *unnoticeable*.

You are what we used to call a "graphics whore".


The claim is that games can't look better. Obviously they can, as the hardware is being pushed to a degree where it can't display at native resolution.

That ought to be obvious, no?
 
2014-08-19 03:53:36 PM  

realmolo: I have a feeling that we might have finally reached the "plateau" of graphics capability given modern TV capabilities.


not in any way, and TRUE "next-gen" games have not really even been released yet.  The new Assassin's Creed coming for ps4\xbone MIGHT be a true next gen game.

spawn73: You don't find it problematic that the consoles are even struggling to achieve 1080p? Fine.


funny thing is that I kept telling people that.  The current  "next-gen" systems  are honestly capable of running ps3\xbox 360 games at 1080p just fine.  With TRUE next gen games, the boxes just can't farking do it, on EITHER box.  The current "next-gen" consoles are underpowered, and both companies farking know it.
 
2014-08-19 03:54:45 PM  

RexTalionis: China currently have some of the fastest supercomputers in the world. In fact, the National Super Computer Center in Guangzhou currently is the recordholder for the fastest/most powerful supercomputer in the world. China has no problems buying parts for supercomputers.


When it comes to "homebrewing" a hypercubed supercomputer out of consumer-grade devices, I thought that gaming video cards were the preferred components.  Those should be available anywhere.  Any reason to use a PS4 rather than a video card intended to go into a PC?
 
2014-08-19 03:57:34 PM  

flondrix: Any reason to use a PS4 rather than a video card intended to go into a PC?


no.  no reason.  the "supercomputer" nonsense was nothing more than puffery "our machine is SO FAST people use them for SUPERCOMPUTERS!"

because it is nothing but straight bullshiat.
 
2014-08-19 03:59:07 PM  
It seems to fly in the face of the conventional wisdom that killer apps are what moves a console.  With the ps4, it seems to be selling based not off one or two titles, but the general library itself.  Which is interesting given that the library is pretty average so far with no stand out classics yet.

Makes me wonder what will happen when big titles actually start dropping.

None of this applies to japan though, where it's selling very sub par.  EU and NA seem to be rocking it though.

The Xbox is slowing though, which is odd as it shares many of the same third party games.  I'm mostly chalking it up to MS's PR problems so far this gen.

realmolo: There still isn't a "system seller" game for the PS4. Or the Xbox One, for that matter. Are there even any on the horizon?

Generally, you expect good games to start coming out for a new console about 6 months after its release, but this generation is lagging behind, for some reason.


Judging by the Xbox/ps2/dc/gcn and ps3/wii/360 eras, It seems more like this:

Launch:  rushed, but a few passable titles.  Lots of ports
0-10 months:  Lots more ports, some early gems that feel like they are missing that certain something.
11-18 months: when the first real classics and AAA new gen titles hit.
18-24: By this time you are ether established, or you are DOA.

For the newer twins, both have some nice stuff set for Fall to spring this year, which fits the pattern.  The Wii has some stuff, but given it's age, it's surprisingly late to the party.  Nintendo has completely dropped the ball this gen.

The 3ds has some nice stuff, and Vita is DOA at this point outside of niche games.
 
2014-08-19 03:59:07 PM  
playstation: 4
xbox: one

prove me wrong
 
2014-08-19 04:01:17 PM  

Gone to Plaid: Space Station Wagon: realmolo: There still isn't a "system seller" game for the PS4. Or the Xbox One, for that matter. Are there even any on the horizon?

Generally, you expect good games to start coming out for a new console about 6 months after its release, but this generation is lagging behind, for some reason.

I wonder how long this generation will last. The last generation hung around longer than usual, and it's not like those "old" consoles were really showing their age. A modern 360 or PS3 game looks as good as anything on the PS4 or Xbone (cue the "No, I can see the 1080P difference! idiots).

I have a feeling that we might have finally reached the "plateau" of graphics capability given modern TV capabilities. I mean, yeah, there's always room for improvement, but the improvements are going to *extremely minor* from here on out. The consoles can display pretty much anything - it's down to how much effort the developers put into the artwork, now.

Remember - we STILL don't have a videogame that looks as "realistic" as any given standard-definition NTSC TV show, even though the displays are FAR better. It's not about the technology - it's about the art design, and the cost of creating that art.

This

I have one console now and its ps3 mainly because its a blu-ray, the best thing about the new gen is that I can start picking up titles for cheap.
I have a huge back log of games I would like to get through. I would imagine that I will skip this generation of consoles.

Yup!  First time I've ever had no drive to pick up a new system which works out well with my current back log.

- Last Of Us: Left Behind
- Walking Dead Season 2
- AC4
- GTAV
- MGS: Ground Zeroes


-MLB the Show 13/14
-Fifa 13/14
-Dark Souls2
-South Park stick of truth
the list goes on
 
2014-08-19 04:03:12 PM  

realmolo: There still isn't a "system seller" game for the PS4. Or the Xbox One, for that matter. Are there even any on the horizon?


I believe Microsoft recently announced that the new Tomb Raider game will be an XBOX One exclusive.

I don't know if that quite qualifies as a "system seller" game. It's not enough to sway me personally, but I was at least a little disappointed by the news since I've been considering at PS4.
 
2014-08-19 04:07:12 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: What hard to understand about "you're not Microsoft"?


^^ Yeah I don't think it's so much that Sony hit it out of the park as much as MS droping the ball and making a huge PR plunders at the start.
 
2014-08-19 04:07:28 PM  

DemDave: I believe Microsoft recently announced that the new Tomb Raider game will be an XBOX One exclusive.


Timed exclusive.
 
2014-08-19 04:09:05 PM  

realmolo: I have a feeling that we might have finally reached the "plateau" of graphics capability given modern TV capabilities. I mean, yeah, there's always room for improvement, but the improvements are going to *extremely minor* from here on out. The consoles can display pretty much anything - it's down to how much effort the developers put into the artwork, now.


That's the thing. I expect that alot of the graphics in games will still look a tad better but nothing special.

What I expect now is "depth". TONS of NPCs and acting correctly within the context of their game. Texture's looking even better. The abiility in free form gmaes to be able to enter multiple homes. I expect the hardware to allow the people making these games to create a more "immersive" experience.

Like the new Batman game. They simply didn;t have the horsepower to have a fully rendered batmobile and to make the maps wide enough to support the use of it. It won;t be this brand spanking new experience, it will be MORE. TONS MORE. Can;t wait.
 
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