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(Engadget)   New mode on the 2015 Corvette perfect for teens that want to borrow their father's car and play hooky without worrying about unscrupulous valets taking it for a joy ride   (engadget.com) divider line 46
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2014-08-19 09:03:44 AM  
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2014-08-19 09:19:27 AM  
What country do you think this is?
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2014-08-19 09:24:46 AM  
I bet the FBI loves this. They were using OnStar to eavesdrop, but had to stop because a court ruled use for surveillance interfered with the emergency communication feature.  The court didn't have a problem with the surveillance in general, only the technical details.
 
2014-08-19 11:14:00 AM  
My Olds had a valet key that locked the user out of similar functions.

Why though doesn't this mode de-rate the engine? It doesn't seem like it would be too much of a big deal. All well and good to have evidence that the valet beat the hell out of your car, but much better to just make that impossible in the first place.
 
2014-08-19 12:09:49 PM  
Will it get video of the valet hocking a loogie on your seat for being a douche?
 
2014-08-19 12:10:08 PM  

Barfmaker: My Olds had a valet key that locked the user out of similar functions.

Why though doesn't this mode de-rate the engine? It doesn't seem like it would be too much of a big deal. All well and good to have evidence that the valet beat the hell out of your car, but much better to just make that impossible in the first place.


That's what I was thinking. Why would a valet need to go over say 20-30mph. Just cap the top speed the car can go in valet mode and it'd take all the fun out of it for them anyway.
 
2014-08-19 12:11:25 PM  
So like, it detects if the driver isn't wearing gold chains and a sleeveless t-shirt, then shuts down?
 
2014-08-19 12:14:19 PM  

miscreant: Barfmaker: My Olds had a valet key that locked the user out of similar functions.

Why though doesn't this mode de-rate the engine? It doesn't seem like it would be too much of a big deal. All well and good to have evidence that the valet beat the hell out of your car, but much better to just make that impossible in the first place.

That's what I was thinking. Why would a valet need to go over say 20-30mph. Just cap the top speed the car can go in valet mode and it'd take all the fun out of it for them anyway.


Exactly what I came to say / agree with.
 
2014-08-19 12:37:17 PM  

Barfmaker: My Olds had a valet key that locked the user out of similar functions.

Why though doesn't this mode de-rate the engine? It doesn't seem like it would be too much of a big deal. All well and good to have evidence that the valet beat the hell out of your car, but much better to just make that impossible in the first place.


This. Not sure why all sports cars don't have that. Useful at the dealer too where the guy who get's paid $15 an hour takes out your car for a "test drive" and bangs on it like crazy.
 
2014-08-19 12:39:32 PM  
I like the locked glove box, center console, and radio, but instead of tracking performance data, it should simply govern the speed to 25 mph and send a text to the owner if it gets more than 1 mile from the point where Valet Mode was activated.
 
2014-08-19 12:41:45 PM  
there are all sorts of aftermarket piggyback and computer tunes that have valet modes you can enable.  i believe most limit the top speed to 40 mph and horribly derate the engine.  why these features aren't available from the factory (especially in high powered sports cars) is beyond me.  Hell, i'll take a variable top speed and power set up, which can't be hard to program into the computer.  your kid wants to take the 'vette to prom and be a mid-life crisis pimp?  go ahead, top speed of 55 mph and 200 hp available to you, son.
 
2014-08-19 12:45:55 PM  

cgraves67: I like the locked glove box, center console, and radio, but instead of tracking performance data, it should simply govern the speed to 25 mph and send a text to the owner if it gets more than 1 mile from the point where Valet Mode was activated.


I'd say just shut down the engine if more than 1 mile is put on the odometer.  Let the creep explain to the cops why he abandoned your car a mile down the road.
 
2014-08-19 12:46:26 PM  
Cameron has never been in love - at least, nobody's ever been in love with him. If things don't change for him, he's gonna marry the first girl he lays, and she's gonna treat him like shiat, because she will have given him what he has built up in his mind as the end-all, be-all of human existence. She won't respect him, 'cause you can't respect somebody who kisses your ass. It just doesn't work.
 
2014-08-19 12:47:13 PM  
Countdown until some valet sues someone for unauthorized recording in 3...2...1...
 
2014-08-19 12:51:03 PM  

Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: cgraves67: I like the locked glove box, center console, and radio, but instead of tracking performance data, it should simply govern the speed to 25 mph and send a text to the owner if it gets more than 1 mile from the point where Valet Mode was activated.

I'd say just shut down the engine if more than 1 mile is put on the odometer.  Let the creep explain to the cops why he abandoned your car a mile down the road.


That may be more trouble than it's worth. What if it shuts down in the middle of a busy intersection and someone hits it? Your car is toast and you may be partially liable (if there is a civil suit) since you activated the mode that shut it down.
 
2014-08-19 12:52:52 PM  

cgraves67: I like the locked glove box, center console, and radio, but instead of tracking performance data, it should simply govern the speed to 25 mph and send a text to the owner if it gets more than 1 mile from the point where Valet Mode was activated.


And then have it lock the doors, roll up the windows, and release the nerve gas.  And record the guy's frantic scramblings for great YouTube videos!
 
2014-08-19 12:53:40 PM  

cgraves67: Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: cgraves67: I like the locked glove box, center console, and radio, but instead of tracking performance data, it should simply govern the speed to 25 mph and send a text to the owner if it gets more than 1 mile from the point where Valet Mode was activated.

I'd say just shut down the engine if more than 1 mile is put on the odometer.  Let the creep explain to the cops why he abandoned your car a mile down the road.

That may be more trouble than it's worth. What if it shuts down in the middle of a busy intersection and someone hits it? Your car is toast and you may be partially liable (if there is a civil suit) since you activated the mode that shut it down.


True. And I could see more than a mile getting put on it if the valet lot is far enough away, especially there'n'back.
 
2014-08-19 12:57:05 PM  

buckler: miscreant: Barfmaker: My Olds had a valet key that locked the user out of similar functions.

Why though doesn't this mode de-rate the engine? It doesn't seem like it would be too much of a big deal. All well and good to have evidence that the valet beat the hell out of your car, but much better to just make that impossible in the first place.

That's what I was thinking. Why would a valet need to go over say 20-30mph. Just cap the top speed the car can go in valet mode and it'd take all the fun out of it for them anyway.

Exactly what I came to say / agree with.


And really do something and put a limit on how far it can be driven.  Less than a few miles.
 
2014-08-19 01:02:11 PM  

Barfmaker: My Olds had a valet key that locked the user out of similar functions.

Why though doesn't this mode de-rate the engine? It doesn't seem like it would be too much of a big deal. All well and good to have evidence that the valet beat the hell out of your car, but much better to just make that impossible in the first place.


The Challenger SRT Hellcat has a valet mode key. The car normally produces 707 hp but with the valet key it produces 500 hp. I am not sure what Dodge hoped to accomplish with the valet key.

http://wot.motortrend.com/1407_2015_dodge_challenger_srt_hellcat_mak es _astounding_707_hp_650_lb_ft.html
 
2014-08-19 01:02:45 PM  

ZAZ: I bet the FBI loves this. They were using OnStar to eavesdrop, but had to stop because a court ruled use for surveillance interfered with the emergency communication feature.  The court didn't have a problem with the surveillance in general, only the technical details.


courts will always rule on a procedural issue or technicality before making a substantial decision.  that way, the court ruled for justice (which is its purpose) without stepping on legislature's toes (which the constitution implies to be important).
 
2014-08-19 01:03:18 PM  

cgraves67: Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: cgraves67: I like the locked glove box, center console, and radio, but instead of tracking performance data, it should simply govern the speed to 25 mph and send a text to the owner if it gets more than 1 mile from the point where Valet Mode was activated.

I'd say just shut down the engine if more than 1 mile is put on the odometer.  Let the creep explain to the cops why he abandoned your car a mile down the road.

That may be more trouble than it's worth. What if it shuts down in the middle of a busy intersection and someone hits it? Your car is toast and you may be partially liable (if there is a civil suit) since you activated the mode that shut it down.


Obviously you just call your Homie and have him helicopter in a new one.
 
2014-08-19 01:11:16 PM  

Hector Remarkable: Cameron has never been in love - at least, nobody's ever been in love with him. If things don't change for him, he's gonna marry the first girl he lays, and she's gonna treat him like shiat, because she will have given him what he has built up in his mind as the end-all, be-all of human existence. She won't respect him, 'cause you can't respect somebody who kisses your ass. It just doesn't work.


I really, really like this.
 
2014-08-19 01:14:51 PM  

Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: cgraves67: I like the locked glove box, center console, and radio, but instead of tracking performance data, it should simply govern the speed to 25 mph and send a text to the owner if it gets more than 1 mile from the point where Valet Mode was activated.

I'd say just shut down the engine if more than 1 mile is put on the odometer.  Let the creep explain to the cops why he abandoned your car a mile down the road.


you want to call the dealer every time you forget to turn off valet mode after having 2 glasses of wine at the restaurant?
 
2014-08-19 01:20:00 PM  
Thanks
- NSA
 
2014-08-19 01:23:41 PM  

Kanemano: Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: cgraves67: I like the locked glove box, center console, and radio, but instead of tracking performance data, it should simply govern the speed to 25 mph and send a text to the owner if it gets more than 1 mile from the point where Valet Mode was activated.

I'd say just shut down the engine if more than 1 mile is put on the odometer.  Let the creep explain to the cops why he abandoned your car a mile down the road.

you want to call the dealer every time you forget to turn off valet mode after having 2 glasses of wine at the restaurant?


Why would you have to call the dealer to turn off valet mode?  I didn't say "shut down the engine, erase the computer, and burn the transmission with thermite", although now that you bring it up, that would show those jerks!
 
2014-08-19 01:35:01 PM  

Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: Why would you have to call the dealer to turn off valet mode? I didn't say "shut down the engine, erase the computer, and burn the transmission with thermite", although now that you bring it up, that would show those jerks!


If it is possible without external help to restart the engine on the spot after a shutdown what would stop the valet from restarting the engine?

the key? the valet has the key, you gave it to him
your code
the valet was looking over your shoulder holding the door open for you were typing it in.
 
2014-08-19 01:36:34 PM  

Barfmaker: My Olds had a valet key that locked the user out of similar functions.

Why though doesn't this mode de-rate the engine? It doesn't seem like it would be too much of a big deal. All well and good to have evidence that the valet beat the hell out of your car, but much better to just make that impossible in the first place.


Actually Corvettes in the late 80s or early 90s had a valet key that did that exact thing. It's a great idea for a performance vehicle.
 
2014-08-19 01:40:32 PM  

Kanemano: Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: Why would you have to call the dealer to turn off valet mode? I didn't say "shut down the engine, erase the computer, and burn the transmission with thermite", although now that you bring it up, that would show those jerks!

If it is possible without external help to restart the engine on the spot after a shutdown what would stop the valet from restarting the engine?

the key? the valet has the key, you gave it to him
your code
the valet was looking over your shoulder holding the door open for you were typing it in.


That could easily be fixed. Either have a master code for all functions, but a different code just UNlock valet mode, or just don't require a passcode to enable it.
 
2014-08-19 01:41:47 PM  
The ZR-1 Corvette had a valet mode to lop off the top couple hundred horsepower - not sure how useful it is when you can still burn the rear tires down to the rims with what's left over.
 
2014-08-19 01:41:58 PM  
"I seem to have misplaced my keys."
"Ah, yes, sir. Your wife said that you would be taking a cab home."
"MY WIFE?!?"

/not at all obscure
 
2014-08-19 01:44:15 PM  
Like Ferris Bueller's friend Cameron - he swiped his dad's car, wrecked it, and got in deep doo-doo.
 
2014-08-19 01:48:15 PM  

Mikey1969: Barfmaker: My Olds had a valet key that locked the user out of similar functions.

Why though doesn't this mode de-rate the engine? It doesn't seem like it would be too much of a big deal. All well and good to have evidence that the valet beat the hell out of your car, but much better to just make that impossible in the first place.

Actually Corvettes in the late 80s or early 90s had a valet key that did that exact thing. It's a great idea for a performance vehicle.


The C4 ZR1 had that feature.
 
2014-08-19 01:58:43 PM  

Kanemano: Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: cgraves67: I like the locked glove box, center console, and radio, but instead of tracking performance data, it should simply govern the speed to 25 mph and send a text to the owner if it gets more than 1 mile from the point where Valet Mode was activated.

I'd say just shut down the engine if more than 1 mile is put on the odometer.  Let the creep explain to the cops why he abandoned your car a mile down the road.

you want to call the dealer every time you forget to turn off valet mode after having 2 glasses of wine at the restaurant?


It sounds like it is pretty obvious that valet mode is on.
 
2014-08-19 02:03:33 PM  

Tobin_Lam: Kanemano: Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: cgraves67: I like the locked glove box, center console, and radio, but instead of tracking performance data, it should simply govern the speed to 25 mph and send a text to the owner if it gets more than 1 mile from the point where Valet Mode was activated.

I'd say just shut down the engine if more than 1 mile is put on the odometer.  Let the creep explain to the cops why he abandoned your car a mile down the road.

you want to call the dealer every time you forget to turn off valet mode after having 2 glasses of wine at the restaurant?

It sounds like it is pretty obvious that valet mode is on.


Better question: if the wine you're drinking is so strong that you forget stuff...why are you driving?
 
2014-08-19 02:13:35 PM  

Repo Man: Mikey1969: Barfmaker: My Olds had a valet key that locked the user out of similar functions.

Why though doesn't this mode de-rate the engine? It doesn't seem like it would be too much of a big deal. All well and good to have evidence that the valet beat the hell out of your car, but much better to just make that impossible in the first place.

Actually Corvettes in the late 80s or early 90s had a valet key that did that exact thing. It's a great idea for a performance vehicle.

The C4 ZR1 had that feature.


LOL, I KNEW it had letters in the name. I thought ZR1, but I couldn't remember if that was the new one or the 90s one.
 
2014-08-19 02:15:21 PM  

Chuck Wagon: Barfmaker: My Olds had a valet key that locked the user out of similar functions.

Why though doesn't this mode de-rate the engine? It doesn't seem like it would be too much of a big deal. All well and good to have evidence that the valet beat the hell out of your car, but much better to just make that impossible in the first place.

The Challenger SRT Hellcat has a valet mode key. The car normally produces 707 hp but with the valet key it produces 500 hp. I am not sure what Dodge hoped to accomplish with the valet key.

http://wot.motortrend.com/1407_2015_dodge_challenger_srt_hellcat_mak es _astounding_707_hp_650_lb_ft.html


I don't know why they'd call it a valet key at that point. The Boss 302 had a track key option which upped the HP and suspension settings for road course duty.

Dodge should call the key something cooler like, "Hell Key".
 
2014-08-19 02:21:38 PM  
I need this for my 1999 Honda Civic. I have an aftermarket exhaust, air intake and 22" rims.
 
2014-08-19 03:10:27 PM  
Ford models allow you to program "Admin" and "Other" keys.

Admin keys get full access and others get what you give them.

Kid borrowing the truck on Saturday night? His key only allows 50mph (or whatever you set it at).

Set it up for valet, 10 mph tops.
 
2014-08-19 04:03:54 PM  
It's "features" like this that make me appreciate my '98 Chevy more and more.
 
2014-08-19 04:14:18 PM  

fatalvenom: Chuck Wagon: Barfmaker: My Olds had a valet key that locked the user out of similar functions.

Why though doesn't this mode de-rate the engine? It doesn't seem like it would be too much of a big deal. All well and good to have evidence that the valet beat the hell out of your car, but much better to just make that impossible in the first place.

The Challenger SRT Hellcat has a valet mode key. The car normally produces 707 hp but with the valet key it produces 500 hp. I am not sure what Dodge hoped to accomplish with the valet key.

http://wot.motortrend.com/1407_2015_dodge_challenger_srt_hellcat_mak es _astounding_707_hp_650_lb_ft.html

I don't know why they'd call it a valet key at that point. The Boss 302 had a track key option which upped the HP and suspension settings for road course duty.

Dodge should call the key something cooler like, "Hell Key".


Wouldn't it have to limit it to 666hp using the Hell Key?

/or 616hp, depending on which translation they go with
 
2014-08-19 04:19:06 PM  
We did this regularly when tuning performance cars. The older style chips actually had a switch you could add that allowed you to switch between a few different tunings. One was often a valet mode which set the speed limit and rpm limit low, and sometimes changed the timing to reduce power. Electronically controlled automatics are even better since you can have them take off in 2nd which limits acceleration even more.

Basically all the newer handheld style chargers allow some function like this. You simply program another tune that limits everything. While less convienant than a factory system that might just be a special key, they're still quite effective.
 
2014-08-19 05:24:14 PM  
What's the point?

Let's say you get the new Z-07, for close to $100k, with 660hp.

You pull up to your favorite restaurant and hand some greasy teenager your keys, maybe slip him a twenty and tell him to put it in a good spot.  Valet turns the corner and lights it up for two miles, drives all over, even gets air over a speed bump.

You review the video and see what happened.  Other than kicking the kid's ass, what are you gonna' do about it?  Sue the valet?  Put an attorney on retainer so you can sue the valet company and/or the restaurant?
 
2014-08-19 05:30:35 PM  
Has anyone suggested that the performance should be limited in this mode? Or that other cars have had that exact feature?
 
2014-08-19 06:24:46 PM  

Mikey1969: Repo Man: Mikey1969: Barfmaker: My Olds had a valet key that locked the user out of similar functions.

Why though doesn't this mode de-rate the engine? It doesn't seem like it would be too much of a big deal. All well and good to have evidence that the valet beat the hell out of your car, but much better to just make that impossible in the first place.

Actually Corvettes in the late 80s or early 90s had a valet key that did that exact thing. It's a great idea for a performance vehicle.

The C4 ZR1 had that feature.

LOL, I KNEW it had letters in the name. I thought ZR1, but I couldn't remember if that was the new one or the 90s one.


Yeah, GM likes to recycle alpha numeric designations. This is the third go round for the LT1 engine designation.
 
2014-08-19 07:20:37 PM  

Timmy the Tumor: Other than kicking the kid's ass, what are you gonna' do about it? Sue the valet? Put an attorney on retainer so you can sue the valet company and/or the restaurant?


Yes? Of course I'd sue the company. Isn't that the idea? Encourage them to handle the car nicely and if they don't, you've got evidence to take them to court?
 
2014-08-19 11:50:33 PM  
My crappy POS Porsche had that. There was an electronic tattle tale that you could set and it would report back if the car was driven outside of preset parameters.
 
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