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(Townhall)   At the end of the day, if we're all Americans, we support peaceful protesters, we oppose rioters and looters and we think the officer who was involved should go to jail if he shot Mike Brown after he surrendered   (townhall.com) divider line 279
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2014-08-19 08:36:07 AM  
Anyone checked the temperature in hell?
 
2014-08-19 08:40:03 AM  
Burn the heretic!
 
2014-08-19 08:40:05 AM  

Otherwise Just Fine: Anyone checked the temperature in hell?


Too busy watching the skies for winged pigs.
 
2014-08-19 08:42:00 AM  
Not clicking on a John Hawkins link, did he really say that?
 
2014-08-19 08:51:52 AM  
FTFA: If some white kid who gets high and robs a convenience store gets shot tomorrow, there aren't going to be any white protests over it.

If the town were 80% white and the cops were 80% black and had a history of targeting white people I think he'd have a problem with this.
 
2014-08-19 08:55:44 AM  
I'm assuming that militarization of local police forces is still A-OK, yes?
 
2014-08-19 08:57:43 AM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: I'm assuming that militarization of local police forces is still A-OK, yes?


They need that stuf to fight the terrorists who hate us for our freedom!
 
2014-08-19 09:16:44 AM  

kronicfeld: Otherwise Just Fine: Anyone checked the temperature in hell?

Too busy watching the skies for winged pigs.


I had the same reaction.  A reasonable, balanced, and well thought out not only from Townhall, but from Hawkins on Townhall?
 
2014-08-19 09:16:48 AM  
Wait, so I'm not only agreeing with Town Hall, but John *farking* Hawkins?!


Otherwise Just Fine: Anyone checked the temperature in hell?


Ah, that would explain it then.
 
2014-08-19 09:29:45 AM  
It's...not even a list

Did someone pull a crayon from Hawkins' brain?
 
2014-08-19 09:31:32 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: kronicfeld: Otherwise Just Fine: Anyone checked the temperature in hell?

Too busy watching the skies for winged pigs.

I had the same reaction.  A reasonable, balanced, and well thought out not only from Townhall, but from Hawkins on Townhall?


And it's not a lazy, bulleted list.

I feel dizzy.
 
2014-08-19 09:32:50 AM  
Something about blind pigs and acorns
 
2014-08-19 09:35:56 AM  
I believe the American Thinker piece with comments right above this thread is providing the counterbalance against this unusually fair Hawkins piece.

Without it Fark may annihilate itself.
 
2014-08-19 09:40:34 AM  
I'm going to the hospital. I am obviously having a massive stroke or a complete neurological breakdown.
 
2014-08-19 09:49:34 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: kronicfeld: Otherwise Just Fine: Anyone checked the temperature in hell?

Too busy watching the skies for winged pigs.

I had the same reaction.  A reasonable, balanced, and well thought out not only from Townhall, but from Hawkins on Townhall?


wait.  I need to get my heart medication.  I can't handle that kind of shock.
 
2014-08-19 09:52:10 AM  

enry: FTFA: If some white kid who gets high and robs a convenience store gets shot tomorrow, there aren't going to be any white protests over it.

If the town were 80% white and the cops were 80% black and had a history of targeting white people I think he'd have a problem with this.


You underestimate general apathy, especially towards lower social/economic classes. It's just...meh.
 
2014-08-19 09:54:51 AM  
I assumed maybe the column was in code and if you deciphered it it would say either "BE SURE TO DRINK YOUR OVALTINE" or "HELP OMABA HAS PUT ME IN GUANTANAMO"
 
2014-08-19 09:59:16 AM  

ManateeGag: TuteTibiImperes: kronicfeld: Otherwise Just Fine: Anyone checked the temperature in hell?

Too busy watching the skies for winged pigs.

I had the same reaction.  A reasonable, balanced, and well thought out not only from Townhall, but from Hawkins on Townhall?

wait.  I need to get my heart medication.  I can't handle that kind of shock.


I thought I was drunk.

The comments sobered me up though.
 
2014-08-19 10:10:23 AM  
What the hell was in that tequila I drank last night?
 
2014-08-19 10:11:40 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: What the hell was in that tequila I drank last night?


Vodak
 
2014-08-19 10:22:54 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: cameroncrazy1984: What the hell was in that tequila I drank last night?

Vodak


That would explain it.
 
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2014-08-19 10:24:13 AM  
At the end of the day, if we're all Americans, we support peaceful protesters, we oppose rioters and looters and we think the officer who was involved should go to jail if he shot Mike Brown after he surrendered.

That's much more reasonable than anything I have heard from that guy.
 
2014-08-19 10:53:18 AM  
I guess Fart boy cut back on the beans lately.
We'll see if it lasts.
 
2014-08-19 11:07:26 AM  

grokca: Not clicking on a John Hawkins link, did he really say that?


I think somebody ghost-wrote it for him. Here's why:

1) it's not a list
2) the word "liberal" is used only once and NOT in a pejorative way
3) spelling and grammar are above 3rd grade level
4) no Limbaugh-like "reasoning" detectable
5) it's not poke-your-eyes-out-rather-than-continue-reading stupid

Clearly not written by the John Hawkins we all know.
 
2014-08-19 11:17:36 AM  

enry: FTFA: If some white kid who gets high and robs a convenience store gets shot tomorrow, there aren't going to be any white protests over it.

If the town were 80% white and the cops were 80% black and had a history of targeting white people I think he'd have a problem with this.


Ah okay, so he had a moment of clarity washed away by complete misunderstanding of the race culture in this country.

Here I thought I was gonna go gung-ho into this article with agreement.
 
2014-08-19 11:17:58 AM  

MrBallou: grokca: Not clicking on a John Hawkins link, did he really say that?

I think somebody ghost-wrote it for him. Here's why:

1) it's not a list
2) the word "liberal" is used only once and NOT in a pejorative way
3) spelling and grammar are above 3rd grade level
4) no Limbaugh-like "reasoning" detectable
5) it's not poke-your-eyes-out-rather-than-continue-reading stupid

Clearly not written by the John Hawkins we all know.


He clearly logged into the wrong alt and meant to post that on another website.
 
2014-08-19 11:18:19 AM  
haha so all of you guys going "wow i agree with townhall" should probably read the article

The Dirty Little Secret About The Difference Between White And Black Americans On Ferguson
 
2014-08-19 11:19:31 AM  
peaceful protests? you mean like the armed thugs who came to support the bundy ranch? imagine if one of the cops killed one of them? it would have been a bloodbath of epic proportitions
 
2014-08-19 11:21:31 AM  
FTFA:""justice" may mean an acknowledgment that the officer was justified in shooting Mike Brown because Brown was aggressively running towards him after getting in a struggle for his gun."

Since when did black kids have personal teleportation devices?
 
2014-08-19 11:22:50 AM  
Gecko Gingrich: Wait, so I'm not only agreeing with Town Hall, but John *farking* Hawkins?!

No kidding; did I wake up this morning in Bizzaro World?
 
2014-08-19 11:23:09 AM  
you see i am not one of those obnoxious partisan internet liberals, i am completely reasonable. here i am agreeing with a conservative who thinks that if ferguson had been a town full of white people then they definitely would not have rioted fart fart fart
 
2014-08-19 11:24:12 AM  
TFA: But, in all fairness, we don't get upset about white men being shot by the police either.

Well, the comparison of Ferguson to Bunkerville hasn't sunk in; so he's still got that going.

MrBallou: Clearly not written by the John Hawkins we all know.


Maybe the violence has been bad enough to shock him back to something near lucidity.
 
2014-08-19 11:26:24 AM  
As to peaceful protests, conservatives absolutely support the right of every American to assemble and protest without police harassment.

HOLD UP.  I need to check something very important, John Hawkins.  What color is Superman's uniform in the universe you come from?  You may be trapped in the wrong dimension.
 
2014-08-19 11:26:33 AM  
Don't read the comments.
 
2014-08-19 11:27:28 AM  
Good news, everyone.  It's opposite day.  So please proceed with wearing your shoes on your hands and so on.
 
2014-08-19 11:31:03 AM  
Hawkins, good on you for this (mostly - the stuff about the white kid, well, you are who you are). The fact is that no one should be saying cops should be able to shoot unarmed people who have surrendered. The fact there there are people saying this is okay means that Hawkins is better than them.
 
2014-08-19 11:31:38 AM  

Jackson Herring: you see i am not one of those obnoxious partisan internet liberals, i am completely reasonable. here i am agreeing with a conservative who thinks that if ferguson had been a town full of white people then they definitely would not have rioted fart fart fart


i am shocked that you do not see an article finger waggling at black people for being far more uppity than white people as a balanced, nuanced article

it is you who are the partisan
 
2014-08-19 11:32:04 AM  

DeaH: Hawkins, good on you for this (mostly - the stuff about the white kid, well, you are who you are). The fact is that no one should be saying cops should be able to shoot unarmed people who have surrendered. The fact there there are people saying this is okay means that Hawkins is better than them.


Which is frightening, to say the least.
 
2014-08-19 11:32:28 AM  
I'm not American, I guess.
 
2014-08-19 11:33:41 AM  
Read this One Weird article that will blow your mind.

No, really.
 
2014-08-19 11:33:55 AM  

Rwa2play: Gecko Gingrich: Wait, so I'm not only agreeing with Town Hall, but John *farking* Hawkins?!

No kidding; did I wake up this morning in Bizzaro World?


http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2014/08/egypt-calls-us-rest ra int-over-ferguson-201481914155998860.html

Apparently so.
 
2014-08-19 11:34:13 AM  
And if the cops start the riot...?
 
2014-08-19 11:35:06 AM  

gittlebass: peaceful protests? you mean like the armed thugs who came to support the bundy ranch? imagine if one of the cops killed one of them? it would have been a bloodbath of epic proportitions


"Armed" and "peaceful" are not mutually exclusive.
 
2014-08-19 11:37:12 AM  

grokca: Not clicking on a John Hawkins link, did he really say that?


yes, but only after clarifying that it's only the black people who are violent riotous thugs and that they should act more like the white people who are calmly outraged from the comforts of their own living rooms or peacefully protesting in designated free speech zones

yet here we are, with a thread full of people handing out banana stickers because for once in his sorry life he managed to only be second chair trumpet in the london fartharmonic
 
2014-08-19 11:37:14 AM  
The Dirty Little Secret About The Difference Between White And Black Americans On Ferguson
John Hawkins | Aug 19, 2014


If you say that we should have an "honest" discussion about what's going on in Ferguson, it makes people think that hard truths are going to be spoken and we're all going to deeply disagree.

But, what if the dirty little secret is that MOST people, black and white, liberal and conservative, are actually on pretty much the same page about the shooting of Mike Brown?

If Mike Brown surrendered to that officer and the policeman shot him anyway, like every conservative I know, I want that cop to do hard time for it. However, I do think we should find out everything that happened before we render judgment on the situation. "Justice" in this situation may mean that the police officer ends up in jail because he shot Mike Brown after he surrendered. On the other hand, "justice" may mean an acknowledgment that the officer was justified in shooting Mike Brown because Brown was aggressively running towards him after getting in a struggle for his gun. That's why we have trials -- so we can find out what really happened in cases like this instead of judging it via rumors and wild accusations on Twitter. Hopefully, the idea that this should be sorted out in a courtroom isn't a big area of disagreement for most Americans, black or white.

Now, some people might say white people don't get upset about black men being shot by the police. That's generally true. But, in all fairness, we don't get upset about white men being shot by the police either. If some white kid who gets high and robs a convenience store gets shot tomorrow, there aren't going to be any white protests over it.That doesn't mean it's okay for the police to fire at will. I think it's appropriate to take the police to task if they shoot a DOG unnecessarily; so you bet it's not okay for them to blow away a human being without good cause. Policemen do incredibly difficult work and they deserve a lot of respect for that, but they also have to be held to the highest standards so they have the moral authority to do their job.

As to peaceful protests, conservatives absolutely support the right of every American to assemble and protest without police harassment. Whether you're protesting a shooting by a police officer, at a Tea Party or at an anti-war protest, as long you're obeying the law you shouldn't have weapons pointed at you and you deserve to be treated with respect by the police.

Of course, some people aren't "peacefully protesting." They're looting and rioting.

The police should use as little force as possible, but as much force as is necessary to deal with thugs who riot, loot, or attack them. Some people might get the impression from loud mouths on Twitter that there is widespread support for that kind of inexcusable criminal behavior, but I don't believe that's true. For example, in Ferguson, http://fox2now.com/2014/08/10/report-michael-brown-protesters-damage-p olice-vehicles-on-west-florissant/">a strong statement against the violence on behalf of the family.

"I just want everyone to know and understand that the stealing and breaking in stores is not what Mike would want, it is very upsetting to me and my family. Our family didn't ask for this but for justice and peace.... Please let my family grieve in Peace (and) stop the violence in the street tonight, we don't want this happening when we protest for justice for my cousin Mike Brown, please get this message out to the people that the Mike Brown family do not want this."

Some of the peaceful protesters have even

Perhaps most surprisingly, Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton haven't gotten warm welcomes. Apparently, there are a lot of people who don't appreciate their showing up and polarizing everyone for fun and profit.

Reports of protestors' statements poured in on Twitter Wednesday, from Andy Carvin , Ryan J. Reilly , Anonymous , and others. Carvin reported that one protestor yelled, "Obama, you have done nothing! We need you! You haven't changed anything! F*ck y'all!" While Anonymous wrote that people were "p*ssed at Obama and Al Sharpton" and quoted rallyers saying they "didn't do sh*t for us" and "F*** Sharpton."

This isn't just happening in Ferguson either.
CNN contributor LZ Granderson hammered Sharpton this week-end.

"I think the black community does a disservice to itself when it allows charlatans to come into these situations, make a name for themselves and then evacuate the situation. The situation in Duke, for instance, with the lacrosse players - we rushed in, automatically assumed the black woman was right and that all these white males on the lacrosse team were wrong. When we found out that she was lying, there was no apology, there was no recognition of the lie, we just moved on, and that left (a) bad taste in a lot of people's mouths."

At the end of the day, if we're all Americans, we support peaceful protesters, we oppose rioters and looters and we think the officer who was involved should go to jail if he shot Mike Brown after he surrendered, then we agree on 95 percent of what matters. Sure, we can always find SOMETHING to disagree about, but there's a man dead, there are parents grieving and there are good people in Ferguson who've had their lives turned upside down - so maybe we should emphasize where we're on the same page instead of looking for any excuse to divide each other.
--------------------------------------------------------------------- - ----

You should really read the entire thing before you start sucking John Fartkins off.
 
2014-08-19 11:41:36 AM  

DrPainMD: gittlebass: peaceful protests? you mean like the armed thugs who came to support the bundy ranch? imagine if one of the cops killed one of them? it would have been a bloodbath of epic proportitions

"Armed" and "peaceful" are not mutually exclusive.


lolwut
 
2014-08-19 11:41:42 AM  
hey i wonder if anyone noticed the article is actually incredibly racist and that maybe everyone saying wow hawkins is being reasonable for once is farking wrong
 
2014-08-19 11:42:23 AM  
It's funny. Ferguson is looting and rioting.

duanegraham.files.wordpress.com

This? Is protesting tyranny.

Sounds like all of those government-bashing, sovereign citizen shiatheads and the people who back them for convenient attention are suddenly farking uncomfortable at the prospect of someone ACTUALLY farkING KILLED by the government and the community ACTUALLY LASHING OUT VIOLENTLY IN RESPONSE.

"But I was all safe in my cabin and on my ranch with my white friends with guns walking around showing everyone their rights! You're telling me some people might get shot? And some people might actually fight back instead of talk about it? And it might get really messy?"

The rioters and looters are wrong, but I'm goddamn sympathetic for them when they're responding, while not reasonably, understandably as a member of their community was arbitrarily goddamn executed and no recourse or even scrutiny against the cop who killed him is anywhere in sight.

Seems a lot of keyboard brigadiers are suddenly very uncomfortable at the idea of dealing with actual violent oppression and responding in a way that faces actual risk.
 
2014-08-19 11:42:25 AM  

Jackson Herring: hey i wonder if anyone noticed the article is actually incredibly racist and that maybe everyone saying wow hawkins is being reasonable for once is farking wrong


This, Thank you.

Subby should win the pol tab trolling of the year award!
 
2014-08-19 11:43:15 AM  

Heliovdrake: You should really read the entire thing before you start sucking John Fartkins off.


I quoted the one line I saw from the article and I was immediately hesitant. Thankfully, he whitesplained everything that's going on in Ferguson.
 
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