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2014-08-19 10:32:54 AM
I'm looking forward to setting my car's ethics level to zero.

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2014-08-19 10:55:01 AM

Destructor: I'm looking forward to setting my car's ethics level to zero.

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The Mercedes Blitzkrieg.

/With extra lebensraum.
 
2014-08-19 11:55:36 AM

Snarfangel: The Mercedes Blitzkrieg.


The car with German attitude.
 
2014-08-19 11:58:21 AM
All restaurants will be Taco Bell.
 
2014-08-19 11:58:30 AM
Apparently they had prototypes in the 50s and expected this to be widespread by 1975.

Only 50 years late.
 
2014-08-19 11:59:42 AM

TheGreatGazoo: Apparently they had prototypes in the 50s and expected this to be widespread by 1975.

Only 50 years late.


I'm sure this will be right on time. Just like nuclear fusion.
 
2014-08-19 12:01:11 PM
Given their terrible build quality, would you really want to go up in a flying DeLorean?

Maybe you'd like a flying Lancia too.
 
2014-08-19 12:07:27 PM

Glitchwerks: Given their terrible build quality, would you really want to go up in a flying DeLorean?

Maybe you'd like a flying Lancia too.



I like my flying Pinto.
www.hickswithsticks.com
Little kids see it, and the inevitably wish they could have one. Or maybe they wish for some other kind of pony -- kids are so cute.
 
2014-08-19 12:10:58 PM
These will be such a great thing for the bar industry.
 
2014-08-19 12:18:45 PM
Its the year 2014.  But where are the flying cars?  I was promised flying cars!  I don't see any flying cars!  Why?  Why?  Why?

/shouldn't be obscure
 
2014-08-19 12:19:31 PM
I don't want to be a Debbie Downer, but I don't know if it'll ever happen. We already have self driving cars. They're called buses. How's that working out?
 
2014-08-19 12:32:55 PM

bluorangefyre: Its the year 2014.  But where are the flying cars?  I was promised flying cars!  I don't see any flying cars!  Why?  Why?  Why?

/shouldn't be obscure


Don't forget the nuclear power plant in every basement.
 
2014-08-19 12:33:27 PM

technoblogical: I don't want to be a Debbie Downer, but I don't know if it'll ever happen. We already have self driving cars. They're called buses. How's that working out?


Those are referred to as Welfare Wagons, not "self driving cars."
 
2014-08-19 12:34:25 PM

technoblogical: I don't want to be a Debbie Downer, but I don't know if it'll ever happen. We already have self driving cars. They're called buses. How's that working out?


Yes, because a bus that comes once and hour and takes 2+ hour ride for me to get most places is really efficient. This is true for most non urban environments in the US, and many urban areas as well.
 
2014-08-19 12:52:51 PM
25 years from now the roads will be filled with millions of self-driving cars, as automakers and legislators aim to cut back on congestion and accidents.

^ This seems entirely plausible.

According to Lutz, in 25 years most vehicles will be nondescript people carriers that chauffeur passengers on high-speed freeways, where inductive electric lines in the pavement recharge the module as they zip along.

 forums.massassi.net

That is a lot of money and a lot of road construction...maybe in a very select few areas within 25 years, but definitely not widespread.
 
2014-08-19 01:01:40 PM
This cannot happen fast enough.. I believe that around 20% of drivers on the road are actually practicing safe driving. Everyone else is texting, eating, under the influence, scolding their children, speeding, tired, stupid, aggressive, ignoring traffic signals, oblivious, old, young, putting on makeup, reading, incompetent, and putting everyone else around them at risk.

I dream of the day that I can throw on an audio book, shut my eyes, and relax as I had towards the location of my choice.    Computers may not be perfect, but they can't be any worse than us.
 
2014-08-19 01:12:01 PM
I hope it comes sooner rather than later. My parents are getting older and don't drive so well anymore. Also with the first-wave of Boomers going to hit their 70s in the next 10 years, there will be tons of drivers on the road who will be rapidly losing their ability to drive competently. I don't want to have to share the road with them.
 
2014-08-19 01:24:47 PM
no, they won't.
 
2014-08-19 01:25:46 PM
This seriously can't happen soon enough for me.

I love driving.... On the autocross track or when cruising down a mountainside for fun. A 2-12 hour interstate drive is a serious waste of my time.

I will happily trade the freedom to speed (usually just done out of frustration anyway, not like it is actually fun) for the freedom to do anything else on that drive.
 
2014-08-19 01:28:32 PM
I was thinking about this the other day. I was firmly with the camp asking why on Earth we should allow flying cars when people drive like idiots on essentially 2-D roads, but then I realized that 3-D open space allows for far more room for errors, even though errors that do happen may be far more damaging. Combine that with self-driving (flying) technology, and we might wind up with air-traffic patterns like the skies of Coruscant.

Of course, those people living underneath traffic grids would have to put up with a hellacious amount of noise, day and night.
 
2014-08-19 01:30:25 PM

gimlet: Computers may not be perfect, but they can't be any worse than us.


Even the dumbest (not handicapped) human being is way way way smarter than any computer.

And I, of course, am not referring to sheer power to regurgitate knowledge or do math, but to analyze and adapt.
 
2014-08-19 01:31:31 PM
Self-driving cars who I feared would rule the road one day when I was a kid:
tfwiki.net
 
2014-08-19 01:33:05 PM

technoblogical: I don't want to be a Debbie Downer, but I don't know if it'll ever happen. We already have self driving cars. They're called buses. How's that working out?


I'm going down the Delmarva Peninsula in a few weeks for a well-earned week away from work. Bird watching, reading a book on the beach, maybe even seeing a launch from Wallops Island.

It'll take me under six hours drive to get there, including the piss stops around Allentown, PA and Smyrna, DE. If I had a self-driving car, it would still take around the same amount of time (but be much more fun).

To get even a little close by Greyhound, it would take over 9 hours and involve transfers at Philadelphia and Wilmington. That gets me to Salisbury. Then there are two local buses (the 951 line that starts in D.C, from Salisbury to Oak Hall, VA takes 75 minutes). Then a $35 taxi ride to Chincoteague if I don't want to walk the 11.6 miles left. Over 10 hours, and much more cost for the whole thing than the fuel and depreciation to my own vehicle.

Be a Debbie Downer all you like, you're not right.
 
2014-08-19 01:36:56 PM
I should have added ...the bus and taxi method would involve me being at the Greyhound bus station at 4 in the morning. And with the waiting for the bus transfers and taxi, I get there later than if I set off at 9 by car.
 
2014-08-19 01:38:27 PM
Unless they can update my 73 or offer a free exchange, my terribad beast is going to be out there menacing all the little robocars.
 
2014-08-19 01:41:42 PM

technoblogical: I don't want to be a Debbie Downer, but I don't know if it'll ever happen. We already have self driving cars. They're called buses. How's that working out?


Not the same at all. Around here the buses turn a 30 minute drive into a 2 hour commute (For the distance I travel and the mileage of my car, gas is cheaper than the bus fare also). And that's not bad for this city. A short 12 minute car ride can be turned into a 1.5 hour commute with a four block walk just to get to the closest bus stop. That one is just quicker and easier to bike (30 minutes).

I can't wait for self driving cars personally as I hate driving. Plus turning the 30 minute commute into a 30 minute nap would be awesome.
 
2014-08-19 02:06:31 PM

guestguy: 25 years from now the roads will be filled with millions of self-driving cars, as automakers and legislators aim to cut back on congestion and accidents.

^ This seems entirely plausible.

According to Lutz, in 25 years most vehicles will be nondescript people carriers that chauffeur passengers on high-speed freeways, where inductive electric lines in the pavement recharge the module as they zip along.

 [forums.massassi.net image 430x350]

That is a lot of money and a lot of road construction...maybe in a very select few areas within 25 years, but definitely not widespread.


It might happen in other countries, but sure as hell not in the US for two reasons:
1. That's a lot of road.
2. More or less half of the people in power think that spending money on infrastructure equals communism.

Also: There will be people who just can't afford it. Barring a significant drop in adjusted price and a "communist" solution of price assistance to ease availability, it just won't be common except for the rich, who will not be able to use it as much on a road full of non-self-drivey vehicles.
 
2014-08-19 02:06:56 PM
25 years is too far out.  I suspect self driving to be common "option" in cars built in the next 5 years.  Just like airbags, it'll be about 10 more years before legislation makes it mandatory.
 
2014-08-19 02:09:30 PM
I guess I shouldn't be so much of a debbie downer about this, as my brother actually works on Google's self-driving car project. ^^;

Cool Story, sis?
 
2014-08-19 02:22:52 PM
Driverless cars? Auto wasn't effortless enough for you? And for those who say people are too busy doing everything but driving, manual sorts that out - you hands are too busy to be handling other things.

Hands off - I actually want to do the driving.
 
2014-08-19 02:24:43 PM

Jackpot777: technoblogical: I don't want to be a Debbie Downer, but I don't know if it'll ever happen. We already have self driving cars. They're called buses. How's that working out?

I'm going down the Delmarva Peninsula in a few weeks for a well-earned week away from work. Bird watching, reading a book on the beach, maybe even seeing a launch from Wallops Island.

It'll take me under six hours drive to get there, including the piss stops around Allentown, PA and Smyrna, DE. If I had a self-driving car, it would still take around the same amount of time (but be much more fun).

To get even a little close by Greyhound, it would take over 9 hours and involve transfers at Philadelphia and Wilmington. That gets me to Salisbury. Then there are two local buses (the 951 line that starts in D.C, from Salisbury to Oak Hall, VA takes 75 minutes). Then a $35 taxi ride to Chincoteague if I don't want to walk the 11.6 miles left. Over 10 hours, and much more cost for the whole thing than the fuel and depreciation to my own vehicle.

Be a Debbie Downer all you like, you're not right.


I prefer amtrak when possible, but unfortunately most of the time it just doesn't work for similar reasons.
 
2014-08-19 02:56:54 PM
The question is not if they'll replace cars, but how quickly. They don't need to be perfect, they just need to be better than us. Human drivers, by the way, kill 40,000 people a year with cars just in the United States.

As someone who likes to ride a motorcycle and bicycle, it cannot come soon enough. Zipper merges that actually work. No tailgating. No road rage. My only worry is that the carnage on the highways will be so drastically reduced that people will only be allowed to manually operate cars in emergencies or on race tracks. Similar to the way that horses are now toys for the wealthy.

"Listen, and understand. That robot car is out there. It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until you safely arrive at your destination."
 
2014-08-19 03:09:50 PM

Repo Man: The question is not if they'll replace cars, but how quickly. They don't need to be perfect, they just need to be better than us. Human drivers, by the way, kill 40,000 people a year with cars just in the United States.

As someone who likes to ride a motorcycle and bicycle, it cannot come soon enough. Zipper merges that actually work. No tailgating. No road rage. My only worry is that the carnage on the highways will be so drastically reduced that people will only be allowed to manually operate cars in emergencies or on race tracks. Similar to the way that horses are now toys for the wealthy.

"Listen, and understand. That robot car is out there. It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until you safely arrive at your destination."


As a motorcyclist, I am not supportive of this.   Do you really think that autonomous cars will be mandatory, but two wheeled human controlled options (particularly human powered) will be allowed?   A little optimistic and short sighted to think that some bureaucrat will be tolerant of a spanner in the works like a non autonomous bicycle slowing all the progress down after given the option of banning driving.   Get yourself a little exerciser in the Google car in the future if you want to keep in shape.
 
2014-08-19 03:34:28 PM

Uncontrolled_Jibe: Repo Man: The question is not if they'll replace cars, but how quickly. They don't need to be perfect, they just need to be better than us. Human drivers, by the way, kill 40,000 people a year with cars just in the United States.

As someone who likes to ride a motorcycle and bicycle, it cannot come soon enough. Zipper merges that actually work. No tailgating. No road rage. My only worry is that the carnage on the highways will be so drastically reduced that people will only be allowed to manually operate cars in emergencies or on race tracks. Similar to the way that horses are now toys for the wealthy.

"Listen, and understand. That robot car is out there. It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until you safely arrive at your destination."

As a motorcyclist, I am not supportive of this.   Do you really think that autonomous cars will be mandatory, but two wheeled human controlled options (particularly human powered) will be allowed?   A little optimistic and short sighted to think that some bureaucrat will be tolerant of a spanner in the works like a non autonomous bicycle slowing all the progress down after given the option of banning driving.   Get yourself a little exerciser in the Google car in the future if you want to keep in shape.


There is a crucial difference; the risks you take when cycling and motorcycling are almost exclusively your own. I, and most other people, am not too concerned about when people kill themselves when they drink and drive, or text and drive. It may be a bit sad, but they engaged in risky behavior, and ended up paying a terrible price. But when drunk or texting drivers take out innocent people by doing things like wandering into oncoming traffic and colliding head on with a vehicle going the other way? That's something else entirely. Risky drivers put others at risk.

From what I can tell, the great majority of drivers on the road do not like driving, would rather be doing something else, are not good at it, and refuse to take it seriously. When riding in a car rather than having to operate it is an option, they will readily take it, and everyone on the road will be better off for it.

Bicyclists and motorcyclists already knowingly take on more risk than auto drivers. The majority of people are not now, nor will they likely ever be, interested in these activities. And if they are sharing the roads with robot operated autos, they will be much less unsafe than they are at the present time. So, no, I do not anticipate them being banned.

Robot drivers only have to be better than humans. If a company were to offer a robotic controller that ever did this sort of thing, they would be immediately sued out of existence. The status quo is terrible, and we can do better.
 
2014-08-19 03:39:56 PM

Repo Man: "Listen, and understand. That robot car is out there. It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until you safely arrive at your destination."


There's a great short story by one of my favorite authors, Roger Zelazny call "Devil Car". It's about a bunch of autonomous cars that get together and run amok.

(I won't say Steven King ripped off any ideas from it for Maximum Overdrive...)

Bottom line: They kill their owners and run amok. The story (as I recall) is about the protagonist and his loyal car set out hunting for the automobile that killed his brother (Caddy, I think. It was written +30 yrs ago).
 
2014-08-19 04:10:14 PM
Assuming it takes off (and with the amount of lives and damage caused by traffic accidents it seems almost certain), it will have an interesting effects on action movies; I can just imagine a future car chase movie in which a protagonist speeds down a heavily trafficked highway at twice the speed limit or more, with all the automated cars just parting around it just in time for it to speed by (and then moving aside again when the chasing car(s) following it come past), maybe including a scene when it partially loses control, skids across multiple lanes and jumps the median into oncoming traffic, which then proceeds to part just in time even when closing at 200+ mph.

/probably the real technology won't be quite as flexible and quick as to be able to deal with such an extreme series of events so easily, but who knows
 
2014-08-19 04:33:33 PM

Perlin Noise: gimlet: Computers may not be perfect, but they can't be any worse than us.

Even the dumbest (not handicapped) human being is way way way smarter than any computer.

And I, of course, am not referring to sheer power to regurgitate knowledge or do math, but to analyze and adapt.


I was not suggesting that a computer is more capable then humans. I just believe that computers will be a safer alternative than the average human at driving.
 
2014-08-19 04:39:31 PM
It will be a lot sooner than 25 years.

Also, America will develop the technology and will also be the last country to adopt it.
 
2014-08-19 04:42:32 PM

Perlin Noise: gimlet: Computers may not be perfect, but they can't be any worse than us.

Even the dumbest (not handicapped) human being is way way way smarter than any computer.

And I, of course, am not referring to sheer power to regurgitate knowledge or do math, but to analyze and adapt.


Smarter, yes.

Better driver, no.
 
2014-08-19 06:08:42 PM

xria: Assuming it takes off (and with the amount of lives and damage caused by traffic accidents it seems almost certain), it will have an interesting effects on action movies; I can just imagine a future car chase movie in which a protagonist speeds down a heavily trafficked highway at twice the speed limit or more, with all the automated cars just parting around it just in time for it to speed by (and then moving aside again when the chasing car(s) following it come past), maybe including a scene when it partially loses control, skids across multiple lanes and jumps the median into oncoming traffic, which then proceeds to part just in time even when closing at 200+ mph.

/probably the real technology won't be quite as flexible and quick as to be able to deal with such an extreme series of events so easily, but who knows


The systems can talk to each other. Once the first car sees the danger it can alert all following cars to trouble. Most likely in the given scenario assuming the one is moving in a straight line the other cars would already be parted.
 
2014-08-20 02:13:42 AM
Can't wait. I'm disabled, unable to drive, and it is a real pain. I wanted to move to a place with great public transport, but those have really high standards of living.
 
2014-08-20 02:19:18 AM
It can't happen soon enough.

Those who wish to manually control their cars should be allowed to do so under the condition that there is some kind of software in ALL cars that won't let them run into each other.

The cars will all be linked to the Internet and know what the other is doing - and just won't plot courses that put two of them in the same space at the same time.

The Google cars haven't had a crash yet in autonomous mode.
 
2014-08-20 04:12:00 AM
Just curious, have these things been tested in Amish country?
 
2014-08-20 08:06:48 AM

Hollie Maea: Better driver, no.


simply wrong.
 
2014-08-20 11:18:15 AM
Driving is to me what knitting is to my grandmother: the perfect busywork that keeps my body and mind marginally occupied so as to prevent boredom, but not so occupying that it precludes thinking about something else at the same time. When the era of self-controlled not-on-rails travel is over, it will be looked back upon with rose-colored glasses
 
2014-08-20 01:17:17 PM

Uncontrolled_Jibe: As a motorcyclist, I am not supportive of this.   Do you really think that autonomous cars will be mandatory, but two wheeled human controlled options (particularly human powered) will be allowed?   A little optimistic and short sighted to think that some bureaucrat will be tolerant of a spanner in the works like a non autonomous bicycle slowing all the progress down after given the option of banning driving.   Get yourself a little exerciser in the Google car in the future if you want to keep in shape.


A lot of the models being shown already are prepared to interact with bicycles, pedestrians, objects in the road, etc.  It's not just about being able to navigate.  The car has to react to unexpected things as well.

As a motorcycle driver, you'll probably be able to keep on doing what you're doing even if everything goes full automatic, which is good news. I'm sure you're a law-abiding, safe driver.

The bad news is that the reputation motorcycle drivers have will continue to decline as various unsafe, jerkoff bikers lane split and deliberately goof with the safety sensors on other vehicles to tie up traffic.  Coming from the land where those types tried to shut down the West Side Highway, it's going to be hard to convince me this won't happen.
 
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