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(Slate)   Slate asks: Can anyone fix the Ferguson police department? You know what they say about articles with a question in the title. No. It's no   (slate.com) divider line 343
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2014-08-19 11:58:40 AM  
Not the question you should be asking anyway. It should be, "How do we address the deep racial/economic divide within the United States today instead of pretending everything's A-ok?"
 
2014-08-19 12:30:10 PM  
Fire EVERYBODY in the department and start from scratch.

/then rinse and repeat for every other PD in the US
 
2014-08-19 12:31:03 PM  
Why does it need to be fixed?  More details are coming out every day that support the police officer's legitimate use of deadly force.

I just hope this poor police officer can recover from this event.
 
2014-08-19 12:31:18 PM  
Short answer? No.

Long answer? Noooooooooooooooooope.
 
2014-08-19 12:33:46 PM  

gopher321: Not the question you should be asking anyway. It should be, "How do we address the deep racial/economic divide within the United States today instead of pretending everything's A-ok?"


Start taking the Illuminati threat seriously?
 
2014-08-19 12:34:06 PM  
So what should the officer do in between getting bum-rushed by a 6'4, 300lb man wanted in a robbery while under the influence of illegal drugs and when he suffered an orbital blowout fracture at the hands of said man?
 
2014-08-19 12:34:58 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: Fire EVERYBODY in the department and start from scratch.

/then rinse and repeat for every other PD in the US


Then you will just shuffle a bunch of recently unemployed police officers to different places. Same problems, different combination of the same people.
 
2014-08-19 12:35:04 PM  

gopher321: Not the question you should be asking anyway. It should be, "How do we address the deep racial/economic divide within the United States today instead of pretending everything's A-ok?"


This.

As long as the 1% worships at the altar of "I got mine, fark you," incidents like Ferguson will keep happening.
 
2014-08-19 12:35:11 PM  
Easy fix. They  just have to make a rule that no officer should shoot or shoot things at unarmed black people.

/solved
 
2014-08-19 12:36:17 PM  

SlothB77: So what should the officer do in between getting bum-rushed by a 6'4, 300lb man wanted in a robbery while under the influence of illegal drugs and when he suffered an orbital blowout fracture at the hands of said man?


He should probably wait until all the facts are known instead of making crap up, much like you just did.
 
2014-08-19 12:36:46 PM  
CH-CH-CH-ah-ah-ah...
 
2014-08-19 12:37:12 PM  

SlothB77: So what should the officer do in between getting bum-rushed by a 6'4, 300lb man wanted in a robbery while under the influence of illegal drugs and when he suffered an orbital blowout fracture at the hands of said man?


Not get out of the car and call for backup?
 
2014-08-19 12:37:43 PM  
All this has proved is that the militarization of the police isn't white America's problem.
 
2014-08-19 12:37:46 PM  
what can be fixed everytime people get a butthurt and their solution is to take to the streets and loot and vandalize?  what can be fixed when this is their solution every damn time.
sure you have a peaceful right to assemble and a peaceful right to protest--I will defend that--but why then the looting and the violence?
whole problem is there are members of a sector of the population who support lawlessness.  out kickin' it on the corner on a weekday afternoon--wandering the streets--WTF?  I have thought WTF? every time I have seen this for decades now.  no amount of programs, no direction, no innate purpose and for that matter their home continent is a mess too and it is everyone's fault but theirs.
you can yap at me about racism all you want but I know BS when I see it.
 
2014-08-19 12:40:01 PM  

Just annex the entire hood into the most stable municipality with which Ferguson shares a common border.

No more Ferguson, no more FPD. Also, it is imperative for the morale and healing of the community to repair the McDonald's post-haste because my confidential inside sources say that given current pork and beef trends, McRib may be visiting soon.

blogs.westword.com

 
2014-08-19 12:41:08 PM  

dogslobber buttlube: what can be fixed everytime people get a butthurt and their solution is to take to the streets and loot and vandalize?  what can be fixed when this is their solution every damn time.
sure you have a peaceful right to assemble and a peaceful right to protest--I will defend that--but why then the looting and the violence?
whole problem is there are members of a sector of the population who support lawlessness.  out kickin' it on the corner on a weekday afternoon--wandering the streets--WTF?  I have thought WTF? every time I have seen this for decades now.  no amount of programs, no direction, no innate purpose and for that matter their home continent is a mess too and it is everyone's fault but theirs.
you can yap at me about racism all you want but I know BS when I see it.


Because the police stood up and said, 'We're the biggest assholes here,' and even bigger assholes from all over decided to call them on it.
 
2014-08-19 12:41:31 PM  

SlothB77: So what should the officer do in between getting bum-rushed by a 6'4, 300lb man wanted in a robbery while under the influence of illegal drugs and when he suffered an orbital blowout fracture at the hands of said man?


It depends. Considering the only person "reporting" that Wilson's injuries were that severe is The Stupidest Man on The Internet, I would withhold judgment until there's real information. One of the eyewitnesses said there was a struggle at the car, that Wilson chased Brown while shooting at him (which might be proper ROE, given an assault on an officer), and that Brown stopped running, turned around and raised his hands, and Wilson then shot him down while at no risk to himself. If THAT happened, then Wilson murdered the guy.
 
2014-08-19 12:42:32 PM  

dogslobber buttlube: what can be fixed everytime people get a butthurt and their solution is to take to the streets and loot and vandalize?  what can be fixed when this is their solution every damn time.
sure you have a peaceful right to assemble and a peaceful right to protest--I will defend that--but why then the looting and the violence?
whole problem is there are members of a sector of the population who support lawlessness.  out kickin' it on the corner on a weekday afternoon--wandering the streets--WTF?  I have thought WTF? every time I have seen this for decades now.  no amount of programs, no direction, no innate purpose and for that matter their home continent is a mess too and it is everyone's fault but theirs.
you can yap at me about racism all you want but I know BS when I see it.


I'm not going to yap about anything because my daddy taught me better than to take seriously a man named "dogslobber buttlube"
 
2014-08-19 12:43:19 PM  
media.tumblr.com
 
2014-08-19 12:43:41 PM  

SlothB77: So what should the officer do in between getting bum-rushed by a 6'4, 300lb man wanted in a robbery while under the influence of illegal drugs and when he suffered an orbital blowout fracture at the hands of said man?


Point 1: Robbery - it has been stated he was not approached due to robbery, the clerk said he did not file a police report, there are some reports he paid - conclusion, the robbery argument is weak and getting weaker - but I don't have full details

Point 2: Under the Influence: If you think pot makes someone want to bumrush a cop, you might want to try some pot. Conclusion, are you serious or just trying to advance talking points?

Point 3: Orbital fracture: I have not seen evidence to support this, but can't say it didn't happen. Conclusion, can't make a conclusion.

Point 4: You didn't being this one up, probably by accident, the long history of racial/socioeconomic inequality and the over-representation of black men arrested
 
2014-08-19 12:43:42 PM  

SlothB77: So what should the officer do in between getting bum-rushed by a 6'4, 300lb man wanted in a robbery while under the influence of illegal drugs and when he suffered an orbital blowout fracture at the hands of said man?


Step on the gas pedal and drive one block to gain a little distance and perspective?
 
2014-08-19 12:44:59 PM  

dogslobber buttlube: what can be fixed everytime people get a butthurt and their solution is to take to the streets and loot and vandalize?  what can be fixed when this is their solution every damn time.
sure you have a peaceful right to assemble and a peaceful right to protest--I will defend that--but why then the looting and the violence?
whole problem is there are members of a sector of the population who support lawlessness.  out kickin' it on the corner on a weekday afternoon--wandering the streets--WTF?  I have thought WTF? every time I have seen this for decades now.  no amount of programs, no direction, no innate purpose and for that matter their home continent is a mess too and it is everyone's fault but theirs.
you can yap at me about racism all you want but I know BS when I see it.


Because people are getting fed up with the frequency of black men being murdered by cops, and rightfully so. And the justifications ring increasingly hollow.
 
Bf+
2014-08-19 12:46:12 PM  

SlothB77: So what should the officer do in between getting bum-rushed by a 6'4, 300lb man wanted in a robbery while under the influence of illegal drugs and when he suffered an orbital blowout fracture at the hands of said man?


I gotta say, most trolls here are lazy, but not you.
You're not very good, (granted), but that's just because you have to stick to the talking points you're given.
But, boy, you are absolutely on top of the latest talking points.  Do you actually work for Fox News?
Wait... Luntz?  Is that you?
 
2014-08-19 12:46:51 PM  
Potential fixes:

more fire hoses?
more para-military gear?
German Shepards/Rotweillers?
more riot gear?
Drones????
 
2014-08-19 12:47:10 PM  
The bigger question is why are the attractive and successful African American criminal element that are infiltrating the Ferguson area and protests trying to keep the white police force down.


majane24.weebly.com

/no justice in the world.
 
2014-08-19 12:47:13 PM  
Can't fix an omelet without breaking a few eggs!

/amIdoinitright?
 
2014-08-19 12:47:33 PM  

SlothB77: So what should the officer do in between getting bum-rushed by a 6'4, 300lb man wanted in a robbery while under the influence of illegal drugs and when he suffered an orbital blowout fracture at the hands of said man?


I'll take the troll-bait

If the officer did have such severe injuries:
-why is there video of him walking around after the shooting when all the other cops show up? At bare minimum why isn't he sitting on the curb being looked at or in an ambulance?
-when the Ferguson police released the officer's name last week, why didn't the police chief also produce a whole bunch of pictures of him injured?
 
2014-08-19 12:47:49 PM  

SlothB77: So what should the officer do in between getting bum-rushed by a 6'4, 300lb man wanted in a robbery while under the influence of illegal drugs and when he suffered an orbital blowout fracture at the hands of said man?


I would suggest he stop being a troll's masturbatory fantasy.
 
2014-08-19 12:48:06 PM  
In the last big thread someone suggested dissolving it and subsidizing coverage from another municipality
 
2014-08-19 12:48:23 PM  

Truther: Why does it need to be fixed?  More details are coming out every day that support the police officer's legitimate use of deadly force.

I just hope this poor police officer can recover from this event.


And absolutely nothing happened after that. Everyone just took a nap.
 
2014-08-19 12:48:41 PM  

illegal.tender: dogslobber buttlube: what can be fixed everytime people get a butthurt and their solution is to take to the streets and loot and vandalize?  what can be fixed when this is their solution every damn time.
sure you have a peaceful right to assemble and a peaceful right to protest--I will defend that--but why then the looting and the violence?
whole problem is there are members of a sector of the population who support lawlessness.  out kickin' it on the corner on a weekday afternoon--wandering the streets--WTF?  I have thought WTF? every time I have seen this for decades now.  no amount of programs, no direction, no innate purpose and for that matter their home continent is a mess too and it is everyone's fault but theirs.
you can yap at me about racism all you want but I know BS when I see it.

Because people are getting fed up with the frequency of black men being murdered by cops, [or being put in prison for offenses that just get white people put on probation, or just being hassled for driving/walking while black],and rightfully so.

 
2014-08-19 12:49:04 PM  

LazyMedia: SlothB77: So what should the officer do in between getting bum-rushed by a 6'4, 300lb man wanted in a robbery while under the influence of illegal drugs and when he suffered an orbital blowout fracture at the hands of said man?

It depends. Considering the only person "reporting" that Wilson's injuries were that severe is The Stupidest Man on The Internet, I would withhold judgment until there's real information. One of the eyewitnesses said there was a struggle at the car, that Wilson chased Brown while shooting at him (which might be proper ROE, given an assault on an officer), and that Brown stopped running, turned around and raised his hands, and Wilson then shot him down while at no risk to himself. If THAT happened, then Wilson murdered the guy.


Shaping up to be that way. I know your nerves get flustered when attacked, which can lead to poor judgment. But that's no excuse. Charges might be pending.
 
2014-08-19 12:49:50 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: Fire EVERYBODY in the department and start from scratch.

/then rinse and repeat for every other PD in the US


You know, there might just be another side to this story...

Support spreads for officer in Ferguson shooting
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/08/19/officer-support er s-ferguson-shooting/14259993/

Parents of Sean Bell - a black, unarmed teen killed by NYPD - shocked by violence in Ferguson, Mo.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/31-arrested-ferguson-9th-ni gh t-protests-michael-brown-death-article-1.1908400

Ferguson Cop Has No Temper, Is 'Struggling' With Shooting, Friend Says
http://abcnews.go.com/US/ferguson-cop-darren-wilson-temper-strugglin g- shooting-friend/story?id=25036752

I'm sorry.  Didn't mean to interrupt the witch hunt.  Carry on.
 
m00
2014-08-19 12:50:36 PM  

gopher321: Not the question you should be asking anyway. It should be, "How do we address the deep racial/economic divide within the United States today instead of pretending everything's A-ok?"


Well, we don't pretend everything's A-ok. We just convince ourselves the easy cosmetic answer will solve the problem. Or, let's make a new government agency and pay some bureaucrats to do nothing useful so we can feel better about ourselves.

We address the deep racial/economic divide through social and political action. Ferguson is actually the easiest divide to address, because all you have to do is participate in a municipal election that a few thousand people voted in.
 
2014-08-19 12:50:43 PM  

dogslobber buttlube: what can be fixed everytime people get a butthurt and their solution is to take to the streets and loot and vandalize?  what can be fixed when this is their solution every damn time.
sure you have a peaceful right to assemble and a peaceful right to protest--I will defend that--but why then the looting and the violence?
whole problem is there are members of a sector of the population who support lawlessness.  out kickin' it on the corner on a weekday afternoon--wandering the streets--WTF?  I have thought WTF? every time I have seen this for decades now.  no amount of programs, no direction, no innate purpose and for that matter their home continent is a mess too and it is everyone's fault but theirs.
you can yap at me about racism all you want but I know BS when I see it.


Well, that was refreshing. It's been so long since I've seen unabashed ,out in the open, racism. No dog whistle for that troll, no sir.
Felt like late 60's Louisiana for a second there.

/Bravo
 
2014-08-19 12:51:38 PM  
Given who the story of the "Gentle giant' is breaking down into just anothet thug who got shot while assaulting an office, I's day there's not yet been a proven need to fix anything. Now the whiny entitlement craving, thug loving culture that decided burning down their neighbors property was the best way to fight 'injustice' might need some addressing.
 
2014-08-19 12:52:15 PM  
toraque:

Because the police stood up and said, 'We're the biggest assholes here,' and even bigger assholes from all over decided to call them on it.


This is actually a pretty spot-on assessment, from what I've seen so far. Good jorb.
 
2014-08-19 12:54:06 PM  
I wish Sam Kinison were alive to handle this.
 
2014-08-19 12:54:28 PM  
I say let the ISIS take things over.  They have a similar management style, but are a bit more lenient.
 
2014-08-19 12:54:50 PM  

Goetz: dogslobber buttlube: what can be fixed everytime people get a butthurt and their solution is to take to the streets and loot and vandalize?  what can be fixed when this is their solution every damn time.
sure you have a peaceful right to assemble and a peaceful right to protest--I will defend that--but why then the looting and the violence?
whole problem is there are members of a sector of the population who support lawlessness.  out kickin' it on the corner on a weekday afternoon--wandering the streets--WTF?  I have thought WTF? every time I have seen this for decades now.  no amount of programs, no direction, no innate purpose and for that matter their home continent is a mess too and it is everyone's fault but theirs.
you can yap at me about racism all you want but I know BS when I see it.

Well, that was refreshing. It's been so long since I've seen unabashed ,out in the open, racism. No dog whistle for that troll, no sir.
Felt like late 60's Louisiana for a second there.

/Bravo


I'm offended by your dig on Louisiana. We're not Mississippi for spaghetti monster's sake.
 
2014-08-19 12:54:51 PM  

LazyMedia: One of the eyewitnesses said there was a struggle at the car, that Wilson chased Brown while shooting at him (which might be proper ROE, given an assault on an officer)


No, no it isn't.

Outside of a war zone, chasing someone while firing is not acceptable behavior if that someone isn't armed.  It's only acceptable in a war zone if that someone is a combatant.

The ONLY time it's acceptable to shoot someone is if that person poses an immediate and identifiable threat to your life or to someone else's life or if you have a reasonable belief that they do.

That's it.  Cop or not, that's it.  Anything else is a crime.
 
2014-08-19 12:55:09 PM  

incrdbil: Given who the story of the "Gentle giant' is breaking down into just anothet thug who got shot while assaulting an office, I's day there's not yet been a proven need to fix anything. Now the whiny entitlement craving, thug loving culture that decided burning down their neighbors property was the best way to fight 'injustice' might need some addressing.


img.fark.net
 
2014-08-19 12:55:15 PM  
camden, NJ seems to have it covered
 
2014-08-19 12:56:02 PM  
The Ferguson police officer put at least 6 shots into Brown? Do things change if he only fired 6 shots and was perfect  OR what if he emptied his clip?
 
2014-08-19 12:56:19 PM  
gopher321

Not the question you should be asking anyway. It should be, "How do we address the deep racial/economic divide within the United States today instead of pretending everything's A-ok?"

9/11
 
2014-08-19 12:56:41 PM  

SlothB77: So what should the officer do in between getting bum-rushed by a 6'4, 300lb man wanted in a robbery while under the influence of illegal drugs and when he suffered an orbital blowout fracture at the hands of said man?


You left out "gangbanger" "thug" and "strong-arm robbery"

But at least you tried
 
2014-08-19 12:57:02 PM  
Yes, the answer is yes.  Just replace everyone white with someone that's black.  Done.
 
2014-08-19 12:57:04 PM  

gopher321: Not the question you should be asking anyway. It should be, "How do we address the deep racial/economic divide within the United States today instead of pretending everything's A-ok?"


Bootstraps?
//RFLOL
 
2014-08-19 12:58:30 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: Fire EVERYBODY in the department and start from scratch.

/then rinse and repeat for every other PD in the US


Go ahead, blame me again.
img.fark.net
 
2014-08-19 12:58:38 PM  
Damn, Sloth might have to throw a few back in the water today.
 
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