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2014-08-19 08:23:05 AM  
Lad, I don't know where ya been, but I see ya won first prize...
 
2014-08-19 08:52:40 AM  
The SNP's entire campaign is based around emotional bullshiat. They have billboards like this:

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Whereas,

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There have been a few televised debates recently between Salmond and Darling; the main argument that seems to be winning the debate for the "no" campaign at the mo seems to be the currency one; after all, why would it be in Westminster's interests to cede some control of the pound sterling to an "independent" Scotland? And how could a Scotland that relies on Bank of England policies be seen as independent?

Haven't watched any of the debates personally, as I know how I'm voting, but I'm pretty sure there should be some mention of the notion that the EU surely won't want to automatically accept a breakaway region as a member, when that may encourage Catalans, Basques and the like.

And there's also an issue regarding energy policy; I don't have the copies of Private Eye to hand that cover it, so I'm talking off the top of my head. But, as I recall, Scotland produces surplus wind power (when it's blowing of course) that could be sold to rUK. However, rUK is developing stronger energy ties with other EU countries, and Scotland's overall energy supplies may still need to be subsidised by rUK.

Now, don't get me wrong; I don't love the Westminster government. I loathe the current coonts in charge, particularly Cameron, the slimy little shiat.

But I don't think it's in the best interests of Scotland to be ruled by an Edinburgh government, run by a different slimy little shiat.
 
2014-08-19 09:01:44 AM  

iron de havilland: Now, don't get me wrong; I don't love the Westminster government. I loathe the current coonts in charge, particularly Cameron, the slimy little shiat.


Oh, and Osborne too. He has such an eminently doughy, punchable face, and gratingly supercilious voice.

I'm all for William Hague remaining in a senior position in parliament, however, as Jon Culshaw does an excellent impression of him.

/That's quite an old one, he exaggerates it a lot more these days.
 
2014-08-19 10:04:36 AM  
Seen this mentioned on a number of sources; the pro-independence advocates do not seem to have put a huge amount of though into the financial or political aspects of breaking off from the UK.

Just vote for independence and then MAGIC, everything is awesome and sorts itself out.
 
2014-08-19 10:11:52 AM  
Because if it's not Scottish, it's crap!

interiorsforfamilies.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-08-19 10:21:20 AM  
Everyone voting for independence will be granted an evening of passion with Karen Gillan, Iain Glen, Alexis May, or Craig Ferguson (randomly selected).
 
2014-08-19 10:23:19 AM  
Scotland is in the perfect position because England keeps kissing its butt to keep it in the Union. If they go independent, they will lose that support. To stay right on the precipice: that's the trick.
 
2014-08-19 10:23:44 AM  
Nationalists are all one trick ponies, obsessed with flags and borders and led by people who are experts in the field of blaming other people for local problems. Salmond's no different.
 
2014-08-19 10:23:48 AM  

iron de havilland: ...

 

Now, don't get me wrong; I don't love the Westminster government. I loathe the current coonts in charge, particularly Cameron, the slimy little shiat.

But I don't think it's in the best interests of Scotland to be ruled by an Edinburgh government, run by a different slimy little shiat.


A lot of the debate does seem to be based on geographical prejudice. As a Londoner I get a bit sick of some of the vitriol for Westminster, as though the place itself is the problem and not the festering shiat-heels the British electorate send to us.

In fact I'm very much in favour of moving the UK government to Yorkshire, just so my city stops copping all the blame.

Instead people would complain about our leaders living in the corrupt Ilkley bubble.
 
2014-08-19 10:24:26 AM  
I guess there is a cultural divide between Scotland and the UK?  Oh, heck, over there, they act like there's a huge cultural difference going one town over.

How big would independent Scotland be?  A Rhode Island sized country?

Adorable!

Teeny tiny European Countries.
 
2014-08-19 10:24:44 AM  
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2014-08-19 10:26:14 AM  
We're now a month away from a vote to determine whether Great Britain will have to continue on as not-quite-as-great Britain.

As of yet, I've heard no plans to detach Scotland from the rest of the island, sooo...
 
2014-08-19 10:27:09 AM  

CatfoodSpork: Scotland is in the perfect position because England keeps kissing its butt to keep it in the Union. If they go independent, they will lose that support. To stay right on the precipice: that's the trick.


It's better to keep quiet and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and prove it.
 
2014-08-19 10:38:20 AM  

sendtodave: How big would independent Scotland be? A Rhode Island sized country?


A little smaller than South Carolina.
 
2014-08-19 10:42:14 AM  

Satanic_Hamster: Seen this mentioned on a number of sources; the pro-independence advocates do not seem to have put a huge amount of though into the financial or political aspects of breaking off from the UK.

Just vote for independence and then MAGIC, everything is awesome and sorts itself out.


Aye, I was trying to find an image of one of the billboards they have up;shows a grandmother with her grandchild, with a slogan about independence being best for everyone's future or somesuch shiate.

The yes campaign is all heart, no head.
 
2014-08-19 10:45:32 AM  

You'd turn it off when I was halfway across: iron de havilland: ...


Now, don't get me wrong; I don't love the Westminster government. I loathe the current coonts in charge, particularly Cameron, the slimy little shiat.

But I don't think it's in the best interests of Scotland to be ruled by an Edinburgh government, run by a different slimy little shiat.

A lot of the debate does seem to be based on geographical prejudice. As a Londoner I get a bit sick of some of the vitriol for Westminster, as though the place itself is the problem and not the festering shiat-heels the British electorate send to us.

In fact I'm very much in favour of moving the UK government to Yorkshire, just so my city stops copping all the blame.

Instead people would complain about our leaders living in the corrupt Ilkley bubble.


Move it to Milton sodding Keynes.
Everybody already hates that place.
 
2014-08-19 10:45:50 AM  

Pants full of macaroni!!: sendtodave: How big would independent Scotland be? A Rhode Island sized country?

A little smaller than South Carolina.


Dawwww.

Who's a big boy country, Scotty?  Yes you are!  Yes you are!
 
2014-08-19 10:52:29 AM  

sendtodave: Pants full of macaroni!!: sendtodave: How big would independent Scotland be? A Rhode Island sized country?

A little smaller than South Carolina.

Dawwww.

Who's a big boy country, Scotty?  Yes you are!  Yes you are!



Map for camparison:

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2014-08-19 10:54:35 AM  
Okay, someone needs to explain the Scottish independence movement to me. Seriously, I'm not being snarky.

This isn't like, say, Catalonia or Quebec, where the people in general speak a different language - everyone in Scotland speaks fluent English.

This isn't like Quebec where the majority of the population is of a different religion from the rest of the country - the majority of Scots and English are protestant Christians (yes I realize that the Church of England and the Church of Scotland are different churches, but they're not that different to the man on the street).

It's not like the Scots don't have significant local autonomy. They have essentially complete autonomy in just about everything, with the UK being responsible for defense, immigration, etc. They have their own devolved legislature with significant power and they also get representation in the UK Parliament - something the English don't get.

It's not like the Scots are being discriminated against in public culture or anything. They're not suffering under some yoke of oppression.

Yes there's the North Sea oil, but even if that were split 90/10 with England, Scotland still gets more money from the UK than it gives out - and the oil isn't going to last forever.

The Scottish independence people remind me of the Texas Secession people, because they seem to want independence because "federal government bad!" but they can't seem to give any really good reasons.

That's my understanding as a foreigner. I'm genuinely curious as to if and how I am wrong.
 
mhd
2014-08-19 10:57:50 AM  

Lord Dimwit: This isn't like, say, Catalonia or Quebec, where the people in general speak a different language - everyone in Scotland speaks fluent English.


Well, if you define "fluent English" as "about as good as those immediately south of the border"...
 
2014-08-19 10:58:00 AM  
They'd be smart to break away now. British Prime Minister Cameron is whipping up another war with Iraq. Using US troops, Australian troops, Canadian troops and all the Jocks he can get his limey bastard hands on.

Make sure you protect all those southern oil fields around Basra again, Cameron. BP is going to need those contracts back after this war.
 
2014-08-19 11:00:02 AM  

iron de havilland: Aye, I was trying to find an image of one of the billboards they have up;shows a grandmother with her grandchild, with a slogan about independence being best for everyone's future or somesuch shiate.

The yes campaign is all heart, no head.


Yep.  BARELY any thought into the damn currency issue (which is a major issue), but tons of other details:
Mail system
Broadcast/telecommunications/airwaves regulator
Air traffic control
Existing contracts between the government and private entities
Electrical generation/distribution

Saw an interview with an AJ reporter and one of the lead independence campaigners.   His only response was "well, maybe we could get England to keep handling all of those things."
 
2014-08-19 11:00:43 AM  
I've seen some pro-independence types post and it's all heart and no head. Some examples:

They want to take ownership of all government property yet don't want to take on their fair (as determined by population) share of the national debt.

They fail to realize that the Royal Navy will not be building any more warships on the Clyde putting thousands out of work in a couple of years. Governments don't outsource something like that.

They expect a cash windfall from the North Sea oilfields while ignoring the declining output over the last couple of years. That trend is very likely to continue. That windfall is supposed to cover what the rest of the UK spends in Scotland.

They want to continue using the British Pound as their currency as though nothing has changed.

They assume that as a new nation that they will be able to get loans as though nothing has changed and that they will be backed by the full faith and credit of the UK. In reality any loans that they take out will get at least a one percentage point bump up (at least for a few years until they can show that they can repay them on time), more if they don't take on what any realistic person would call a fair share of the UK's debt (see above) because to the lenders it would be considered a default on the loans made.

Then there's the batshiat crazy stuff like they actually think that they will be able to take possession of the submarines in Faslane, including the Tridents and their missiles.
 
2014-08-19 11:03:27 AM  

Lord Dimwit: everyone in Scotland speaks fluent English.


You haven't heard many Scotsmen speak, have you.

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Lord Dimwit: The Scottish independence people remind me of the Texas Secession people, because they seem to want independence because "federal government bad!" but they can't seem to give any really good reasons.

That's my understanding as a foreigner. I'm genuinely curious as to if and how I am wrong.


There's a bit more to that.  CURRENTLY there's no discrimination, but a long time ago the Brits treated the Scots like shiat and conquered them a few times.  Europeans also tend to have long memories and will hold grudges over things from 500 years ago.

For shiats and grins, suggest going to Scotland or Ireland wearing an Oliver Cromwell tshirt.
 
2014-08-19 11:05:21 AM  

You'd turn it off when I was halfway across: iron de havilland: ...
 

Now, don't get me wrong; I don't love the Westminster government. I loathe the current coonts in charge, particularly Cameron, the slimy little shiat.

But I don't think it's in the best interests of Scotland to be ruled by an Edinburgh government, run by a different slimy little shiat.

A lot of the debate does seem to be based on geographical prejudice. As a Londoner I get a bit sick of some of the vitriol for Westminster, as though the place itself is the problem and not the festering shiat-heels the British electorate send to us.

In fact I'm very much in favour of moving the UK government to Yorkshire, just so my city stops copping all the blame.

Instead people would complain about our leaders living in the corrupt Ilkley bubble.


See, we Americans were smart (for once).  We created a capitol city out of whole cloth, in no one particular state, so no one but DC gets blamed for the garbage that is Washington.

Oh, and we built it in the middle of a farking swamp.
 
2014-08-19 11:06:40 AM  

Lord Dimwit: everyone in Scotland speaks fluent English.


Ummm. Not really. The accent is very heavy. What most Americans think is a Scottish accent is not what it is once you get north-ish of Glasgow.
 
2014-08-19 11:06:41 AM  

Lord Dimwit: his isn't like, say, Catalonia or Quebec, where the people in general speak a different language - everyone in Scotland speaks fluent English.


No.  They may *UNDERSTAND* spoken English fluently, but they don't speak it fluently themselves.
 
2014-08-19 11:09:07 AM  

Satanic_Hamster: Lord Dimwit: everyone in Scotland speaks fluent English.

You haven't heard many Scotsmen speak, have you.

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Lord Dimwit: The Scottish independence people remind me of the Texas Secession people, because they seem to want independence because "federal government bad!" but they can't seem to give any really good reasons.

That's my understanding as a foreigner. I'm genuinely curious as to if and how I am wrong.

There's a bit more to that.  CURRENTLY there's no discrimination, but a long time ago the Brits treated the Scots like shiat and conquered them a few times.  Europeans also tend to have long memories and will hold grudges over things from 500 years ago.

For shiats and grins, suggest going to Scotland or Ireland wearing an Oliver Cromwell tshirt.


What's the old joke? "In America 100 years is a long time and in Europe 100 miles is a long way."

But it's kinda similar. Plenty of people in the southern US wear Confederate flags and talk about how the North oppressed them. They're idiots. Not a single one of them alive today has been discriminated against by the federal government, and in fact, the federal government bends over backwards to comfort their whiny asses. I kinda get the impression that the Scottish situation is similar (though like anything large and complex, not identical).
 
2014-08-19 11:14:30 AM  

Satanic_Hamster: Lord Dimwit: everyone in Scotland speaks fluent English.

You haven't heard many Scotsmen speak, have you.

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Lord Dimwit: The Scottish independence people remind me of the Texas Secession people, because they seem to want independence because "federal government bad!" but they can't seem to give any really good reasons.

That's my understanding as a foreigner. I'm genuinely curious as to if and how I am wrong.

There's a bit more to that.  CURRENTLY there's no discrimination, but a long time ago the Brits treated the Scots like shiat and conquered them a few times.  Europeans also tend to have long memories and will hold grudges over things from 500 years ago.

For shiats and grins, suggest going to Scotland or Ireland wearing an Oliver Cromwell tshirt.


Hell; just go to Dublin wearing anything Orange....
 
2014-08-19 11:17:25 AM  

Satanic_Hamster: There's a bit more to that.  CURRENTLY there's no discrimination, but a long time ago the Brits treated the Scots like shiat and conquered them a few times.


Well, the whole Union came about first with the union of the crowns - James VI of Scotland became James I of Great Britain. And closer union came when Scotland's colonial ambitions failed and the entire country had to be bailed out.

I suspect most of the committed "yes" voters just don't like the English, it's a not uncommon form of bigotry here.

DrunkWithImpotence: See, we Americans were smart (for once).  We created a capitol city out of whole cloth, in no one particular state, so no one but DC gets blamed for the garbage that is Washington.

Oh, and we built it in the middle of a farking swamp.


After 3 initial attempts, I take it?
 
2014-08-19 11:17:49 AM  
hiker9999

Hell; just go to Dublin wearing anything Orange....

Eminently survivable, especially if there's football on involving the Dutch. Dublin isn't that crazy.
 
2014-08-19 11:19:29 AM  

Lord Dimwit: This isn't like, say, Catalonia or Quebec, where the people in general speak a different language - everyone in Scotland speaks fluent English.


You should go to Scotland and see just how funny what you just said is...

dittybopper: No. They may *UNDERSTAND* spoken English fluently, but they don't speak it fluently themselves.


There we go.
 
2014-08-19 11:19:56 AM  

Satanic_Hamster: Lord Dimwit: everyone in Scotland speaks fluent English.

You haven't heard many Scotsmen speak, have you.


Radioactive Ass: Lord Dimwit: everyone in Scotland speaks fluent English.

Ummm. Not really. The accent is very heavy. What most Americans think is a Scottish accent is not what it is once you get north-ish of Glasgow.


I have heard someone from Cornwall speak. Compared to him, the burr-iest Scot who ever burred a burr is speaking RP.  The Cornish dude sounded like he was speaking Korean while gargling sulfuric acid and marbles
 
2014-08-19 11:20:17 AM  

hiker9999: Satanic_Hamster: Lord Dimwit: everyone in Scotland speaks fluent English.

You haven't heard many Scotsmen speak, have you.

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Lord Dimwit: The Scottish independence people remind me of the Texas Secession people, because they seem to want independence because "federal government bad!" but they can't seem to give any really good reasons.

That's my understanding as a foreigner. I'm genuinely curious as to if and how I am wrong.

There's a bit more to that.  CURRENTLY there's no discrimination, but a long time ago the Brits treated the Scots like shiat and conquered them a few times.  Europeans also tend to have long memories and will hold grudges over things from 500 years ago.

For shiats and grins, suggest going to Scotland or Ireland wearing an Oliver Cromwell tshirt.

Hell; just go to Dublin wearing anything Orange....


Yeah, there's a reason that the phone company Orange is called Hutchison Telecom over there...

And they never used their slogan: "The future's bright. The future's Orange."
 
2014-08-19 11:20:18 AM  

hiker9999: Satanic_Hamster: Lord Dimwit: everyone in Scotland speaks fluent English.

You haven't heard many Scotsmen speak, have you.

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Lord Dimwit: The Scottish independence people remind me of the Texas Secession people, because they seem to want independence because "federal government bad!" but they can't seem to give any really good reasons.

That's my understanding as a foreigner. I'm genuinely curious as to if and how I am wrong.

There's a bit more to that.  CURRENTLY there's no discrimination, but a long time ago the Brits treated the Scots like shiat and conquered them a few times.  Europeans also tend to have long memories and will hold grudges over things from 500 years ago.

For shiats and grins, suggest going to Scotland or Ireland wearing an Oliver Cromwell tshirt.

Hell; just go to Dublin wearing anything Orange....


You're thinking of Derry.
 
2014-08-19 11:22:40 AM  

Lord Dimwit: Okay, someone needs to explain the Scottish independence movement to me. Seriously, I'm not being snarky.

This isn't like, say, Catalonia or Quebec, where the people in general speak a different language - everyone in Scotland speaks fluent English.

This isn't like Quebec where the majority of the population is of a different religion from the rest of the country - the majority of Scots and English are protestant Christians (yes I realize that the Church of England and the Church of Scotland are different churches, but they're not that different to the man on the street).

It's not like the Scots don't have significant local autonomy. They have essentially complete autonomy in just about everything, with the UK being responsible for defense, immigration, etc. They have their own devolved legislature with significant power and they also get representation in the UK Parliament - something the English don't get.

It's not like the Scots are being discriminated against in public culture or anything. They're not suffering under some yoke of oppression.

Yes there's the North Sea oil, but even if that were split 90/10 with England, Scotland still gets more money from the UK than it gives out - and the oil isn't going to last forever.

The Scottish independence people remind me of the Texas Secession people, because they seem to want independence because "federal government bad!" but they can't seem to give any really good reasons.

That's my understanding as a foreigner. I'm genuinely curious as to if and how I am wrong.


Few Scots vote Tory. Tories get in anyway. Tories need to act tough because reasons. Don't want to loose votes... few Scots vote Tory.

That's the peception, anyway, caused largely by something that was called the Poll Tax.

Also, there's a certain Tory old-guard, upper classes(but not necessarily English- damn Scots quote surprisingly accurate), that have a very particular attitude towards Scotland, almost colonial in tone. These are the people that thought a German artist was more qualified to run an island estate than the people that worked there just because he could afford the Deed. They supported feudal land rites, but only in Scotland. Because of them, the Tory party as a whole ran scare stories about how Community bought estates would all go bankrupt because stupid Scots peasants. I don't think any have, but I haven't fact-checked this(again, perception is a big part of this).

Also, some people are arseholes.

I come very slightly down on the Yes side, but I don't really believe in it, if that makes any sense. I'm not even going to vote.

/and yes, I am aware of the Union's origin.
 
2014-08-19 11:48:07 AM  

iron de havilland: Well, the whole Union came about first with the union of the crowns - James VI of Scotland became James I of Great Britain


Technically, he was James I of England, not Great Britain.  Until 1707, England and Scotland were completely separate states who's monarchs just happened to share the same meat-space - like if a dual-citizen was elected PM of Canada and POTUS at the same time.  Great Britain didn't become a thing until the Act of Union a hundred-and-a-bit years later.

Scottish biatching about Union is also rather amusing considering the Sodden League and Farking Covenant (my Restoration-historiafying wife's name for it), and them trying to press Presbyterianism on England for not helping the monarch regain the throne.
 
2014-08-19 11:54:55 AM  

rufus-t-firefly: hiker9999: Satanic_Hamster: Lord Dimwit: everyone in Scotland speaks fluent English.

You haven't heard many Scotsmen speak, have you.

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Lord Dimwit: The Scottish independence people remind me of the Texas Secession people, because they seem to want independence because "federal government bad!" but they can't seem to give any really good reasons.

That's my understanding as a foreigner. I'm genuinely curious as to if and how I am wrong.

There's a bit more to that.  CURRENTLY there's no discrimination, but a long time ago the Brits treated the Scots like shiat and conquered them a few times.  Europeans also tend to have long memories and will hold grudges over things from 500 years ago.

For shiats and grins, suggest going to Scotland or Ireland wearing an Oliver Cromwell tshirt.

Hell; just go to Dublin wearing anything Orange....

You're thinking of Derry.


point taken....
 
2014-08-19 12:03:13 PM  

SonsoftheSod: I come very slightly down on the Yes side, but I don't really believe in it, if that makes any sense. I'm not even going to vote.


I don't quite know if I'm getting the whole story in this thread, [jokereatingpopcorn.jpg] and all that.  There's probably a lot of nuances in the history of the UK and Scotland that I wouldn't be able to understand without some substantial reading.  Still, all of this is just so wild to hear about.  I mean, I'd hear about the Alaskan Independence Party and I think "some people's kids, y'know?"  Like it would really happen.

So I'm not sure if this is just like the AIP and the movement just happened to catch steam and make headlines, or if this is a real honest-to-goodness desire of the people spurred by a progressive movement.

Honestly, I'd have thought Ireland would have more of the rumblings to break off.  Just a general feeling I get when I hear about all the tech jobs moving there.  But again, not things that I really understand.  I just don't know what Scotland really wants it for.

/will consult the history buff I live with when I get home
//he probably doesn't know anything about this, but would be interested if he heard
///he's my own personal Cliffs Notes for history when a good story grabs his attention, is very cool
 
2014-08-19 12:05:04 PM  
Does this mean they will go back to being Catholic?

Will Philip II come back?
 
2014-08-19 12:10:12 PM  
Six_By_Nine

Honestly, I'd have thought Ireland would have more of the rumblings to break off.

Welcome to the last farking century...?
 
2014-08-19 12:27:48 PM  
The payoff for me from FTA:

There's been some concern that the country could be in for Quebec-like "neverendum" in which the question of independence reappears year after year.

Reading this as a Canadian, been there, done that, over and over.
 
2014-08-19 12:48:37 PM  
i.dailymail.co.uk
 
2014-08-19 01:02:58 PM  

BalugaJoe: Does this mean they will go back to being Catholic?

Will Philip II come back?


It would be just like the Scots to become like the Irish. Farking slaughtering each other based on religion so the peerage can hold onto their titled lands.
 
2014-08-19 01:11:22 PM  

bgddy24601: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 468x496]


Form is incomplete without "ya got nae rolls?"
 
2014-08-19 01:24:16 PM  

goatan: Six_By_Nine: SonsoftheSod: I come very slightly down on the Yes side, but I don't really believe in it, if that makes any sense. I'm not even going to vote.

I don't quite know if I'm getting the whole story in this thread, [jokereatingpopcorn.jpg] and all that.  There's probably a lot of nuances in the history of the UK and Scotland that I wouldn't be able to understand without some substantial reading.  Still, all of this is just so wild to hear about.  I mean, I'd hear about the Alaskan Independence Party and I think "some people's kids, y'know?"  Like it would really happen.

So I'm not sure if this is just like the AIP and the movement just happened to catch steam and make headlines, or if this is a real honest-to-goodness desire of the people spurred by a progressive movement.

Honestly, I'd have thought Ireland would have more of the rumblings to break off.  Just a general feeling I get when I hear about all the tech jobs moving there.  But again, not things that I really understand.  I just don't know what Scotland really wants it for.

/will consult the history buff I live with when I get home
//he probably doesn't know anything about this, but would be interested if he heard
///he's my own personal Cliffs Notes for history when a good story grabs his attention, is very cool

WTF?


Poe's law applied here for me, I couldn't decide if it was a subtle piece of parody or not.
 
2014-08-19 01:29:04 PM  
This is a bit of a conundrum for me.

My mother was born and raised in Scotland.  She's one of 8 kids, and only her and one other sister left.  So basically >50% of my family is there.  I've always felt a connection with my mothers homeland, and even though the family is distant, we're still very close. And I really, really like it there.  I have plans on pissing my last, in a whiskey induced stupor (retiring) there.

So, a few years back, I took the plunge and got UK citizenship, so I wouldn't have any hassles when the time comes.
If Scotland goes independent, I am curious how that will affect me.

Also, the independence vote is really heart over head.  At least what I can grasp from my family.  Most people I spoke with concerning independence, um, it's almost akin to teabaggerism in the US.  Sadly.  Rooted in tax, immigration etc.  Or at least those were the reasons I heard.  YMMV

But still, hey, if that's what they want, let them have it.
 
2014-08-19 01:35:34 PM  
tripleseven

So, a few years back, I took the plunge and got UK citizenship, so I wouldn't have any hassles when the time comes.

If Scotland goes independent, I am curious how that will affect me.


I would assume (because I can't be arsed to look it up) that you could get a nice Scottish EU passport in exchange for the UK one.

/but I could be wrong
 
2014-08-19 01:37:53 PM  
Ok here's something I don't understand. In 1603 Scotland and England merged to form the UK with James VI of Scotland becoming James I of England. In essence, Scotland just took over England in the most peaceful way possible. Shouldn't this not be viewed then, not as Scottish independence but as Scotland kicking the UK back out? Why would Scotland be kicked out of the EU, it is the mother country? Moreover if Scotland is kicked out, why shouldn't the rest of the UK go with it? The country that used to be part of EU wouldn't exist anymore, both would need to reapply.
 
2014-08-19 01:59:36 PM  

Facetious_Speciest: tripleseven

So, a few years back, I took the plunge and got UK citizenship, so I wouldn't have any hassles when the time comes.

If Scotland goes independent, I am curious how that will affect me.

I would assume (because I can't be arsed to look it up) that you could get a nice Scottish EU passport in exchange for the UK one.

/but I could be wrong


I wonder if it will be tartan.

Will I have to disavow the affirmation I made to my queen now?

So many questions.

Cannae be arsed n'ear I can.
 
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