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2014-08-19 07:10:12 AM  
You can't even pump your own gasoline in New Jersey.
 
2014-08-19 07:31:27 AM  
See? This shows what can be done without interference from the federal government
 
2014-08-19 07:42:34 AM  

Aar1012: See? This shows what can be done without interference from the federal government


Uh...

The funds come from the federal government's Sandy recovery and most probably from the Hazard Mitigation Assistance fund administered by FEMA. One of the goals of the Hazard Mitigation Assistance fund is to help states purchase electrical generators to mitigate risks during disasters.

http://www.fema.gov/media-library/assets/documents/33634?id=7851

From FEMA's own Hazard Mitigation Assistance Guidelines:

"This Hazard Mitigation Assistance (HMA) Guidance establishes that the purchase and installation of generators for the protection of critical facilities is an eligible, stand-alone project type under the Hazard Mitigation Grant Program (HMGP) and is no longer limited only to the 5 Percent Initiative.Generators that constitute a functional portion of an otherwise eligible mitigation solution (critical or not) remain eligible. "
 
2014-08-19 08:11:41 AM  
we get it, he's fat.
 
2014-08-19 08:12:18 AM  

Biff_Steel: we get it, he's fat.


how fat is he?
 
2014-08-19 08:16:51 AM  

unexplained bacon: Biff_Steel: we get it, he's fat.

how fat is he?


He's so fat that when he sits around the house, he closes bridges for political payback.
 
2014-08-19 08:19:42 AM  
$2.5M for 52 generators?

Please tell me that the generators are only part of what the funds are being used for. Even the most expensive, tow-behind generator will run around $12K each. Multiplied by 52 you're still only at $624K.

And that's assuming these are the tow behind monsters. If it's the throw in the back of the truck kind, even the high end of those models, the price tag for 52 should barely break $100K.
 
GBB
2014-08-19 08:19:57 AM  

RexTalionis: Aar1012: See? This shows what can be done without interference from the federal government

Uh...

The funds come from the federal government's Sandy recovery and most probably from the Hazard Mitigation Assistance fund administered by FEMA. One of the goals of the Hazard Mitigation Assistance fund is to help states purchase electrical generators to mitigate risks during disasters.

http://www.fema.gov/media-library/assets/documents/33634?id=7851

From FEMA's own Hazard Mitigation Assistance Guidelines:

"This Hazard Mitigation Assistance (HMA) Guidance establishes that the purchase and installation of generators for the protection of critical facilities is an eligible, stand-alone project type under the Hazard Mitigation Grant Program (HMGP) and is no longer limited only to the 5 Percent Initiative.Generators that constitute a functional portion of an otherwise eligible mitigation solution (critical or not) remain eligible. "


www.troll.me
That 'or' should be an 'and'
 
2014-08-19 08:42:23 AM  

RadiomanATL: . Even the most expensive, tow-behind generator will run around $12K each.


See, the weird thing about Google is, I can google shiat, like, immediately. A stand-down 100kw generator averages twice that, at $25k. A towable 100kw generator averages twice THAT, at $50k.  Somewhere between the two lies tax, travel, and installation. The gas station isn't running for a week off of the home generator you bought at Home Depot.
 
2014-08-19 08:59:57 AM  

RadiomanATL: $2.5M for 52 generators?

Please tell me that the generators are only part of what the funds are being used for. Even the most expensive, tow-behind generator will run around $12K each. Multiplied by 52 you're still only at $624K.

And that's assuming these are the tow behind monsters. If it's the throw in the back of the truck kind, even the high end of those models, the price tag for 52 should barely break $100K.


But if you buy them from a key campaign contributor it is expected that you will pay a 4x premium on them.
 
2014-08-19 09:12:55 AM  
Why not use the money for grants to gas station owners to buy their own generator?
 
2014-08-19 09:27:36 AM  
Franklin, Sussex County? Why not just store them in the woods....wait...they are. Stupid location in the middle of nowhere.
 
2014-08-19 09:27:38 AM  

RexTalionis: Aar1012: See? This shows what can be done without interference from the federal government

Uh...

The funds come from the federal government's Sandy recovery and most probably from the Hazard Mitigation Assistance fund administered by FEMA. One of the goals of the Hazard Mitigation Assistance fund is to help states purchase electrical generators to mitigate risks during disasters.

http://www.fema.gov/media-library/assets/documents/33634?id=7851

From FEMA's own Hazard Mitigation Assistance Guidelines:

"This Hazard Mitigation Assistance (HMA) Guidance establishes that the purchase and installation of generators for the protection of critical facilities is an eligible, stand-alone project type under the Hazard Mitigation Grant Program (HMGP) and is no longer limited only to the 5 Percent Initiative.Generators that constitute a functional portion of an otherwise eligible mitigation solution (critical or not) remain eligible. "


I'm pretty sure your sarcasm detector is on the fritz...

Muta: Why not use the money for grants to gas station owners to buy their own generator?


Well, for one, this allows them to send them out where they're needed. If all of the gas stations on the rich side of town are the only ones to get them, it kind of farks everybody over. Then there's the fact that storms and flooding don't consult a map of which gas stations are prepared for an emergency before they hit. A gennie at a flooded gas station won't do much good, but when they can roll them out to the places that aren't flooded, and spread them more evenly across the area that is in need, it makes sense. This also doesn't hinge everything on the fact that the gas station owner actually bothered to do regular maintenance.
 
2014-08-19 09:31:40 AM  
Entrepreneur free market innovation invisible hand words words TA-DA
 
2014-08-19 09:34:12 AM  

Mikey1969: RexTalionis: Aar1012: See? This shows what can be done without interference from the federal government

Uh...

The funds come from the federal government's Sandy recovery and most probably from the Hazard Mitigation Assistance fund administered by FEMA. One of the goals of the Hazard Mitigation Assistance fund is to help states purchase electrical generators to mitigate risks during disasters.

http://www.fema.gov/media-library/assets/documents/33634?id=7851

From FEMA's own Hazard Mitigation Assistance Guidelines:

"This Hazard Mitigation Assistance (HMA) Guidance establishes that the purchase and installation of generators for the protection of critical facilities is an eligible, stand-alone project type under the Hazard Mitigation Grant Program (HMGP) and is no longer limited only to the 5 Percent Initiative.Generators that constitute a functional portion of an otherwise eligible mitigation solution (critical or not) remain eligible. "

I'm pretty sure your sarcasm detector is on the fritz...

Muta: Why not use the money for grants to gas station owners to buy their own generator?

Well, for one, this allows them to send them out where they're needed. If all of the gas stations on the rich side of town are the only ones to get them, it kind of farks everybody over. Then there's the fact that storms and flooding don't consult a map of which gas stations are prepared for an emergency before they hit. A gennie at a flooded gas station won't do much good, but when they can roll them out to the places that aren't flooded, and spread them more evenly across the area that is in need, it makes sense. This also doesn't hinge everything on the fact that the gas station owner actually bothered to do regular maintenance.


Or just tell gas stations that if they want to stay in business part of their disaster recovery plan needs to include a generator as cost of doing business. This means they pay for it themselves instead of my taxes. By the hey, free money.
 
2014-08-19 09:35:44 AM  

evilmrsock: A stand-down 100kw generator averages twice that, at $25k. A towable 100kw generator averages twice THAT, at $50k.


Does a gas station need 100kw? Actual question. What would be the appropriate size?
 
2014-08-19 09:37:32 AM  

RadiomanATL: $2.5M for 52 generators?

Please tell me that the generators are only part of what the funds are being used for. Even the most expensive, tow-behind generator will run around $12K each. Multiplied by 52 you're still only at $624K.

And that's assuming these are the tow behind monsters. If it's the throw in the back of the truck kind, even the high end of those models, the price tag for 52 should barely break $100K.


www.tqmachinery.com

Used, $225,000
 
2014-08-19 09:40:04 AM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: RadiomanATL: $2.5M for 52 generators?

Please tell me that the generators are only part of what the funds are being used for. Even the most expensive, tow-behind generator will run around $12K each. Multiplied by 52 you're still only at $624K.

And that's assuming these are the tow behind monsters. If it's the throw in the back of the truck kind, even the high end of those models, the price tag for 52 should barely break $100K.

[www.tqmachinery.com image 704x330]

Used, $225,000


how much electricity do jersey gas pumps need? is the mob skimming off 99.99% of the power?
 
2014-08-19 09:40:08 AM  

Muta: Why not use the money for grants to gas station owners to buy their own generator?


Why not use the profits of the gas station owners to buy their own generator?
 
2014-08-19 09:43:43 AM  
Derp Du Jour:

Or just tell gas stations that if they want to stay in business part of their disaster recovery plan needs to include a generator as cost of doing business. This means they pay for it themselves jack up the price of fuel to cover the additional cost instead of my taxes. By the hey, free money.

Fixed.

You don't really think you're going to get around paying for them somehow, do you?
 
2014-08-19 09:51:03 AM  

Derp Du Jour: Mikey1969: RexTalionis: Aar1012: See? This shows what can be done without interference from the federal government

Uh...

The funds come from the federal government's Sandy recovery and most probably from the Hazard Mitigation Assistance fund administered by FEMA. One of the goals of the Hazard Mitigation Assistance fund is to help states purchase electrical generators to mitigate risks during disasters.

http://www.fema.gov/media-library/assets/documents/33634?id=7851

From FEMA's own Hazard Mitigation Assistance Guidelines:

"This Hazard Mitigation Assistance (HMA) Guidance establishes that the purchase and installation of generators for the protection of critical facilities is an eligible, stand-alone project type under the Hazard Mitigation Grant Program (HMGP) and is no longer limited only to the 5 Percent Initiative.Generators that constitute a functional portion of an otherwise eligible mitigation solution (critical or not) remain eligible. "

I'm pretty sure your sarcasm detector is on the fritz...

Muta: Why not use the money for grants to gas station owners to buy their own generator?

Well, for one, this allows them to send them out where they're needed. If all of the gas stations on the rich side of town are the only ones to get them, it kind of farks everybody over. Then there's the fact that storms and flooding don't consult a map of which gas stations are prepared for an emergency before they hit. A gennie at a flooded gas station won't do much good, but when they can roll them out to the places that aren't flooded, and spread them more evenly across the area that is in need, it makes sense. This also doesn't hinge everything on the fact that the gas station owner actually bothered to do regular maintenance.

Or just tell gas stations that if they want to stay in business part of their disaster recovery plan needs to include a generator as cost of doing business. This means they pay for it themselves instead of my taxes. By the hey, free money.


Jesus, some people just straight out tie their panties into knots before they leave the house...

RadiomanATL: $2.5M for 52 generators?

Please tell me that the generators are only part of what the funds are being used for. Even the most expensive, tow-behind generator will run around $12K each. Multiplied by 52 you're still only at $624K.

And that's assuming these are the tow behind monsters. If it's the throw in the back of the truck kind, even the high end of those models, the price tag for 52 should barely break $100K.


Yeah, you can run a gas station on a $200 generator from Home Depot. I see it all of the time.
 
2014-08-19 09:51:32 AM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: Used, $225,000


New $5,000,000,000.

Equally relevant to this discussion.

media-3.web.britannica.com
 
2014-08-19 09:53:55 AM  

CodeMonkey4Life: Zeb Hesselgresser: RadiomanATL: $2.5M for 52 generators?

Please tell me that the generators are only part of what the funds are being used for. Even the most expensive, tow-behind generator will run around $12K each. Multiplied by 52 you're still only at $624K.

And that's assuming these are the tow behind monsters. If it's the throw in the back of the truck kind, even the high end of those models, the price tag for 52 should barely break $100K.

[www.tqmachinery.com image 704x330]

Used, $225,000

how much electricity do jersey gas pumps need? is the mob skimming off 99.99% of the power?


Just skimmed the article, but I didn't see where the emergency power was merely to run the fuel pumps.  I was under the impression they were going to be for the community to use for battery charging, medical machines, water or sewer pumps, de-watering pumps, cooking, heating, cooling, communications, you know EMERGENCY stuff.
 
2014-08-19 09:58:10 AM  

jaytkay: Zeb Hesselgresser: Used, $225,000

New $5,000,000,000.

Equally relevant to this discussion.


Then after the hurricane (tsunami)
 
2014-08-19 09:59:01 AM  

monoski: jaytkay: Zeb Hesselgresser: Used, $225,000

New $5,000,000,000.

Equally relevant to this discussion.

Then after the hurricane (tsunami)


Doh, threw away my image from destroyed nuke plant in Japan
 
2014-08-19 10:00:59 AM  
FTFA: The state, with the help of $2.5 million in federal Sandy recovery money, will purchase 52 portable generators for use at gas stations around New Jersey when the power goes out during a emergency.

I'm sure NJ Republicans are staying true to their principles and decrying this pork-barrel federal spending.  Just like the bootstrappy Republican farmers in the Midwest who turn down federal subsidies year after year.
 
2014-08-19 10:01:10 AM  
The state, with the help of $2.5 million in federal Sandy recovery money, will purchase 52 portable generators for use at gas stations around New Jersey when the power goes out during a emergency.

Why wait until the power goes out during an emergency to buy the generators?  Can't they buy them beforehand?

No wonder they're so expensive, you're buying them during an emergency.  They probably cost a lot more then.
 
2014-08-19 10:13:24 AM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: I didn't see where the emergency power was merely to run the fuel pumps. I was under the impression they were going to be for the community to use for battery charging, medical machines, water or sewer pumps, de-watering pumps, cooking, heating, cooling, communications, you know EMERGENCY stuf


Did you read a different article.

This one said "for gas stations."

I drove a truckload of generators to New Jersey after Sandy. Finding gas was a big deal. Stations without power were closed. Stations with generators had lines literally a mile long.
 
2014-08-19 10:21:42 AM  
This is really Bootstrappy, as long as the boots were supplied by the state, with subsidized labour to help pull them up and a photo-op with a politician telling everyone how easy it is for the stations to do it.

You would think most gas stations would have done it by themselves already.
 
2014-08-19 01:34:51 PM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: CodeMonkey4Life: Zeb Hesselgresser: RadiomanATL: $2.5M for 52 generators?

Please tell me that the generators are only part of what the funds are being used for. Even the most expensive, tow-behind generator will run around $12K each. Multiplied by 52 you're still only at $624K.

And that's assuming these are the tow behind monsters. If it's the throw in the back of the truck kind, even the high end of those models, the price tag for 52 should barely break $100K.

[www.tqmachinery.com image 704x330]

Used, $225,000

how much electricity do jersey gas pumps need? is the mob skimming off 99.99% of the power?

Just skimmed the article, but I didn't see where the emergency power was merely to run the fuel pumps.  I was under the impression they were going to be for the community to use for battery charging, medical machines, water or sewer pumps, de-watering pumps, cooking, heating, cooling, communications, you know EMERGENCY stuff.


YOui know something that's cool? If you use the generator to run the pumps that pump gas into the generator, it will run forever. Perpetual Farking Motion Machine FTW!!!
 
2014-08-19 01:36:41 PM  

Labrat407: This is really Bootstrappy, as long as the boots were supplied by the state, with subsidized labour to help pull them up and a photo-op with a politician telling everyone how easy it is for the stations to do it.

You would think most gas stations would have done it by themselves already.


Considering the small margins in the retail part of the industry, the rarity of the need for such emergency measures, and government protections against price gouging during such emergencies, I doubt it would be anywhere near profitable to do it.
 
2014-08-19 01:46:29 PM  

Mikey1969: Zeb Hesselgresser: CodeMonkey4Life: Zeb Hesselgresser: RadiomanATL: $2.5M for 52 generators?

Please tell me that the generators are only part of what the funds are being used for. Even the most expensive, tow-behind generator will run around $12K each. Multiplied by 52 you're still only at $624K.

And that's assuming these are the tow behind monsters. If it's the throw in the back of the truck kind, even the high end of those models, the price tag for 52 should barely break $100K.

[www.tqmachinery.com image 704x330]

Used, $225,000

how much electricity do jersey gas pumps need? is the mob skimming off 99.99% of the power?

Just skimmed the article, but I didn't see where the emergency power was merely to run the fuel pumps.  I was under the impression they were going to be for the community to use for battery charging, medical machines, water or sewer pumps, de-watering pumps, cooking, heating, cooling, communications, you know EMERGENCY stuff.

YOui know something that's cool? If you use the generator to run the pumps that pump gas into the generator, it will run forever. Perpetual Farking Motion Machine FTW!!!


Stop that Lisa, in this thread we obey the laws of physics.
 
2014-08-19 02:04:38 PM  
A sign commonly seen at diners:  "Eat here and get gas".
 
2014-08-19 03:33:50 PM  

Mikey1969: Zeb Hesselgresser: CodeMonkey4Life: Zeb Hesselgresser: RadiomanATL: $2.5M for 52 generators?

Please tell me that the generators are only part of what the funds are being used for. Even the most expensive, tow-behind generator will run around $12K each. Multiplied by 52 you're still only at $624K.

And that's assuming these are the tow behind monsters. If it's the throw in the back of the truck kind, even the high end of those models, the price tag for 52 should barely break $100K.

[www.tqmachinery.com image 704x330]

Used, $225,000

how much electricity do jersey gas pumps need? is the mob skimming off 99.99% of the power?

Just skimmed the article, but I didn't see where the emergency power was merely to run the fuel pumps.  I was under the impression they were going to be for the community to use for battery charging, medical machines, water or sewer pumps, de-watering pumps, cooking, heating, cooling, communications, you know EMERGENCY stuff.

YOui know something that's cool? If you use the generator to run the pumps that pump gas into the generator, it will run forever. Perpetual Farking Motion Machine FTW!!!


Until the tank that holds the gas runs dry....
 
2014-08-19 04:14:40 PM  

ferretman: Mikey1969: Zeb Hesselgresser: CodeMonkey4Life: Zeb Hesselgresser: RadiomanATL: $2.5M for 52 generators?

Please tell me that the generators are only part of what the funds are being used for. Even the most expensive, tow-behind generator will run around $12K each. Multiplied by 52 you're still only at $624K.

And that's assuming these are the tow behind monsters. If it's the throw in the back of the truck kind, even the high end of those models, the price tag for 52 should barely break $100K.

[www.tqmachinery.com image 704x330]

Used, $225,000

how much electricity do jersey gas pumps need? is the mob skimming off 99.99% of the power?

Just skimmed the article, but I didn't see where the emergency power was merely to run the fuel pumps.  I was under the impression they were going to be for the community to use for battery charging, medical machines, water or sewer pumps, de-watering pumps, cooking, heating, cooling, communications, you know EMERGENCY stuff.

YOui know something that's cool? If you use the generator to run the pumps that pump gas into the generator, it will run forever. Perpetual Farking Motion Machine FTW!!!

Until the tank that holds the gas runs dry....


Nah, the fuel truck has gas in it, you just hook that up to the tank, and there you go... The fuel truck puts gas in the underground tanks, which puts gas into the generator, which allows the pumps to work to put fuel into the fuel truck.

One simple trick that the oil companies don't want you to know...
 
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