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(WSBTV)   Remember that botched raid where the SWAT team threw a flashbang grenade into a toddler's crib? The county refuses to pay the toddler's medical bills   (wsbtv.com ) divider line
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2014-08-18 11:35:57 PM  
13 votes:
No rules, no accountability

/any wonder the police are becoming more hated by the day?
2014-08-19 12:00:44 AM  
8 votes:
To be fair the county is legally forbidden to pay unless compelled by a Court. This is to prevent someone scamming the county out of money (eg the Mayor's BIL stubs his toe, better pay millions).

They're not saying "we don't want to" they're saying "we cannot legally do it, please sue us so we can"
2014-08-18 11:35:10 PM  
8 votes:
I hope their lawsuit bankrupts the county.
2014-08-18 11:24:04 PM  
7 votes:
start throwing them in jail for contempt. that'll get their attention quickly.
2014-08-19 02:17:15 AM  
6 votes:
Still waiting for the proud Cliven Bundy Players to start showing up to protests in solidarity against authoritarian over-reach...

... why is it, you think, that they aren't showing up?
2014-08-19 02:10:12 AM  
6 votes:
How hard is for them to just sit on the house or follow the residents around to make sure that no kids stay in the house
/Seems like the police are getting stupider by the minute
2014-08-19 12:20:30 AM  
6 votes:

doglover: netweavr: To be fair the county is legally forbidden to pay unless compelled by a Court. This is to prevent someone scamming the county out of money (eg the Mayor's BIL stubs his toe, better pay millions).

They're not saying "we don't want to" they're saying "we cannot legally do it, please sue us so we can"

No, they're saying:

The question before the board was whether it is legally permitted to pay these expenses. After consideration of this question following advice of counsel, the board of commissioners has concluded that it would be in violation of the law for it to do so.

They didn't say "Please sue us!" or "We'd love to pay but we can't by law." or any other adult thing. They took the dickhead route and gave a blanket denial with no subtext through a lawyer. Line them up on the chopping block next to the Fergusun PD.


Funny how two people can read the same thing and come to wildly different conclusions.
2014-08-19 12:19:07 AM  
6 votes:

netweavr: To be fair the county is legally forbidden to pay unless compelled by a Court. This is to prevent someone scamming the county out of money (eg the Mayor's BIL stubs his toe, better pay millions).

They're not saying "we don't want to" they're saying "we cannot legally do it, please sue us so we can"


No, they're saying:

The question before the board was whether it is legally permitted to pay these expenses. After consideration of this question following advice of counsel, the board of commissioners has concluded that it would be in violation of the law for it to do so.

They didn't say "Please sue us!" or "We'd love to pay but we can't by law." or any other adult thing. They took the dickhead route and gave a blanket denial with no subtext through a lawyer. Line them up on the chopping block next to the Fergusun PD.
2014-08-19 02:39:17 AM  
4 votes:
Maybe we should get our local and state leaders to craft a bill that limits the ability of police to use these bullshiat SWAT tactics for everyday warrants and police work.

Let SWAT go back to when they were used for hostage rescue  and other unusual situations.
2014-08-19 03:17:58 AM  
3 votes:

Whole Wheat: CRtwenty: Whole Wheat: The mom who chose to house her baby at a meth lab put the baby in harm's way. Grow up!

Cause that's totally what happened.

Yeah, you're right. They were having a bible study, and the cops busted in, blew up a baby, and sprinkled meth all over the place.

I am not a police apologist by any stretch, but can we at least hate them for legitimate reasons?


Blowing up a baby because they can't be bothered to wait a few hours for the suspect to leave for something or other is a pretty legit reason to hate them, I think.
2014-08-19 03:06:23 AM  
3 votes:
The city isn't going to pay because it is immune from tort liability because the state almost certainly has granted itself statutory or common-law sovereign immunity, and the cops are immune because of official immunity.

The victims will sue, and even though they can prove injury and damages, the state will invoke immunity and the courts will agree to throw the case out on that basis.

So the very government which guarantees you equal protection, due process, a right to trial, and remedy for injury will deny you all of that when it is the wrongdoer.

And the perverse outcome of both immunity doctrines is to encourage state actors to perform their duties negligently and recklessly because what the fark are you going to do? Sue them so they can compound your injury by shoving your case right back up your ass?

Sovereign immunity and official immunity are despotism flatly incompatible with the Constitution and any notion of justice, and both bullshiat doctrines belong in history's dustbin.
2014-08-19 03:05:30 AM  
3 votes:

Whole Wheat: The mom who chose to house her baby at a meth lab put the baby in harm's way. Grow up!


Cause that's totally what happened.
2014-08-19 02:49:31 AM  
3 votes:

HideAndGoFarkYourself: drjekel_mrhyde: How hard is for them to just sit on the house or follow the residents around to make sure that no kids stay in the house
/Seems like the police are getting stupider by the minute

If I remember the story right from the initial outrage, the child was visiting and the crib was right next to the door.


Well you're remembering the story part right, they had done no direct investigation of the house, they sent a CI in to buy meth from someone who wasn't even there at the time of the raid.  The CI reported he made the buy and the guy had a gun.  It's a southern thing to completely trust a junkie, not follow up on his word, and then use military armaments and two dozen guys who had high school GPA's too low for college, an extra $2K - $2500 and 8 weeks to spare to kick in the door for the government.

In Ga they bomb babies over a meth dealer who's not there.

in Fl they shoot a dude over about $2 of weed.

Tough call, baby bombers or .5g killers.

I think Fl wins the thug cop award, the kid lived can't say the same for the guy in Tampa.


Between everything Alex Jones is starting to make sense and that's REALLY frightening.
2014-08-19 12:50:04 AM  
3 votes:

netweavr: doglover: netweavr: To be fair the county is legally forbidden to pay unless compelled by a Court. This is to prevent someone scamming the county out of money (eg the Mayor's BIL stubs his toe, better pay millions).

They're not saying "we don't want to" they're saying "we cannot legally do it, please sue us so we can"

No, they're saying:

The question before the board was whether it is legally permitted to pay these expenses. After consideration of this question following advice of counsel, the board of commissioners has concluded that it would be in violation of the law for it to do so.

They didn't say "Please sue us!" or "We'd love to pay but we can't by law." or any other adult thing. They took the dickhead route and gave a blanket denial with no subtext through a lawyer. Line them up on the chopping block next to the Fergusun PD.

Funny how two people can read the same thing and come to wildly different conclusions.


Which is because the county lawyer is an asshole who can't communicate. If he COULD communicate, he would be saying what you are saying in the words you are using. YOU should be the country lawyer, or at least his mouthpiece.

Instead, he said something awful which makes decent people want to pop him in the mouth.
m00
2014-08-19 04:27:02 AM  
2 votes:

JSTACAT: m00
2014-08-19 03:52:20 AM

JSTACAT:Then, they will discover that the UN is the same devil with another name.

....................................
I bet you're white, rural/suburban middle class. I apologize if I got that wrong.

Because the police state in America has always existed. White people have only recently been its target. Where you were when black people were the target, Hispanics, or Japanese, or Chinese, or Irish, or Arab? You never stuck out your neck for them. Now that the government is focused on "survivalist groups/preppers" (basically, white people with guns) as the top terrorist organizations, why should everyone else stick their neck out for you? Why aren't you in Ferguson right now showing solidarity with your fellow oppressed citizens?

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partly wrong, look white, but some will dig deeper & have.

You should realise i have always worked hard, respected the law, trusted the constitution and was never violent etc.

With the internet, news from all over can be assimilated and analysed quickly, i have suddenly , in the last few years realised what was happening to others around me.

As a person who takes what happened in Germany in the 30s & 40s quite personally, i can tell you that the current situation in america is very close to nazism.

Very sad... that most americans today will have the same fate as most German citizens did when their govt went nuts;
legal step by legal step, veering off into insanity.

Exactly the way it is happening today, in amerika

Eventually the stink of evil will offend Heaven....[already has]
When G-D pulls the handle, a lot of us will go to Him & a lot more will go to Sheol.

So Be It


So why aren't you protesting Ferguson? It kills me many libertarian-espousing groups are suddenly like "oh, well... we have to wait and see." But the Bundy ranch, they're there in 5 minutes. This country is only doomed if we citizens continue to allow ourselves to be divided by race.
2014-08-19 03:54:03 AM  
2 votes:

Whole Wheat: CRtwenty: Whole Wheat: The mom who chose to house her baby at a meth lab put the baby in harm's way. Grow up!

Cause that's totally what happened.

Yeah, you're right. They were having a bible study, and the cops busted in, blew up a baby, and sprinkled meth all over the place.

I am not a police apologist by any stretch, but can we at least hate them for legitimate reasons?


I'm gonna need a citation on the meth thing. And even if true these people were staying there BECAUSE THEIR HOUSE BURNED DOWN.
2014-08-19 03:11:44 AM  
2 votes:

SmittyBGKY: Warlordtrooper: So when are all the police defenders from the Brown riots going to come in here and call the kid a thug.

To be fair the Brown kid was a thug. Didn't deserve to die but a flash bang to the face would have been ok with me in his case.


Or at least we were led to believe that.
Now we find the robbery didn't take place; while we got two carefully selected incriminating looking stills from the cops showing the 'strong-arm robbery', the actual running video from the store shows him paying for the cigars and leaving. Attorneys for the store deny that the store ever called the police to report any kind of robbery, and claim the owners were taken aback when cops arrived and demanded the video from them.

/I am even less inclined to trust cops now than before, and I didn't think that was even possible. I don't think we can trust anything about this case.
2014-08-19 02:23:24 AM  
2 votes:
Simple fix:

Take each council member and restrain them in a lying position. Then, place a flash bang a few inches from either ear and pull the pin. Do it for each and then given them a few weeks to recuperate. Repeat the procedure indefinitely until they agree to pay.
2014-08-19 02:14:59 AM  
2 votes:
So when are all the police defenders from the Brown riots going to come in here and call the kid a thug.
2014-08-19 02:44:46 PM  
1 vote:

Whole Wheat: Why is it heartless to expect that she be held accountable for endangering her child?


She endangered her child by staying in a relative's home where a SWAT team conducted a raid and found no suspect and no drugs?

Can't imagine the mental gymnastics you had to go through to get there.

Is the traditional sarcastic blame-the-victim commentary still kosher with the new Fark rules?  I can't tell.
2014-08-19 12:48:01 PM  
1 vote:
You know what would be funny? Hilarious even?


If we had one law of the land, and it applied the same to everyone. No exceptions for the Nobility or constables. Make everyone abide by the same rules as the peasants. No special cases treating anyone differently. Only exemption allowed gets to be the military and it can't by deployed domestically.


Pity no one had though of this before. Then we wouldn't have police running around with anything the peasants can't buy too. Hilariously we'd have police arrested for sweeping people with the muzzle of a loaded weapon for assault, just like you would if a peasant did it.
2014-08-19 10:35:59 AM  
1 vote:

Whole Wheat: because I am a RN


And I'm Eleanor Roosevelt.  Prove otherwise.

>DRUG DEALER

Ooooh!  I'm sure that baby was dealing some heavy duty drugs to deserve a flash-bang grenade in its crib!

I'd call you a racist, but you're just a total farkhead, which takes precedence over everything.
2014-08-19 10:34:51 AM  
1 vote:

nocturnal001: Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: nocturnal001: Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: Much of this hate on all cops is tied to the militias and other gun nuts.

Posse Commitatus prevents the military from American soil. (Except it doesn't).

If they can get the guns and armor away from the cops, the militias and other gun nuts will feel free to water the tree of liberty.

Eric the Patriotic Sniper is one of the reasons why cops use armor and other heavy equipment.

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These guys are two other reasons why cops use heavy equipment (they fought cops with 5 pipe bombs and a pressure cooker bomb)

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For the people who hate all cops, how do you like your new friends?

What on Earth are you going on about?

The boston bombers "fought" cops with pipe bombs? Sorry guy, that BS isn't flying.

Firefight with police

Shortly after midnight on April 19, a Watertown police officer identified the brothers in a Honda Civic and the stolen SUV, and a ferocious gunfight followed on the 100 block of Laurel St, between the brothers and police arriving at the scene. An estimated 200-300 rounds of ammunition were fired and at least one further bomb and several "crude grenades" were thrown.
According to Watertown Police Chief Edward Deveau, the brothers had an "arsenal of guns." Also according to Deveau, the older brother, Tamerlan, ran out of ammunition and was tackled and apprehended by police, while the younger brother Dzhokhar drove the stolen SUV toward police and over Tamerlan, dragging him a short distance down the street.

You can stop with the personal attacks.

What personal attack?

Again. So your claim is that the militarization of the police happened because of the Boston Bombers. Fascinating. Did they borrow Obama's magical time machine to do so?


You need to learn some more history, do you? You were ignorant about the Boston Bombers. Here let me school you on the militarization of LEOs.


John Brown 1859. Precipitated a war that killed hundreds of thousands of Americans
Clyde Barrow 1930s. Helped force the FBI into a national police forced armed with sub machine guns.

Americans have been stealing military arms since at least 1859 for their devious plots. And cops at all levels of LE have been responding.

Anything else you need schooling on, Fark Derp Winner of the Day?
2014-08-19 10:18:19 AM  
1 vote:

Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: nocturnal001: Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: Much of this hate on all cops is tied to the militias and other gun nuts.

Posse Commitatus prevents the military from American soil. (Except it doesn't).

If they can get the guns and armor away from the cops, the militias and other gun nuts will feel free to water the tree of liberty.

Eric the Patriotic Sniper is one of the reasons why cops use armor and other heavy equipment.

[thelastofthemillenniums.files.wordpress.com image 359x239]

These guys are two other reasons why cops use heavy equipment (they fought cops with 5 pipe bombs and a pressure cooker bomb)

[i2.cdn.turner.com image 356x200]

For the people who hate all cops, how do you like your new friends?

What on Earth are you going on about?

The boston bombers "fought" cops with pipe bombs? Sorry guy, that BS isn't flying.

Firefight with police

Shortly after midnight on April 19, a Watertown police officer identified the brothers in a Honda Civic and the stolen SUV, and a ferocious gunfight followed on the 100 block of Laurel St, between the brothers and police arriving at the scene. An estimated 200-300 rounds of ammunition were fired and at least one further bomb and several "crude grenades" were thrown.
According to Watertown Police Chief Edward Deveau, the brothers had an "arsenal of guns." Also according to Deveau, the older brother, Tamerlan, ran out of ammunition and was tackled and apprehended by police, while the younger brother Dzhokhar drove the stolen SUV toward police and over Tamerlan, dragging him a short distance down the street.

You can stop with the personal attacks.


What personal attack?

Again. So your claim is that the militarization of the police happened because of the Boston Bombers. Fascinating. Did they borrow Obama's magical time machine to do so?
2014-08-19 10:17:28 AM  
1 vote:
I like what SWAT teams in Massachusetts are doing.  They are declaring themselves to be "private corporations" thereby exempting them from open records laws.  It's so cute!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2014/06/26/massachus et ts-swat-teams-claim-theyre-private-corporations-immune-from-open-recor ds-laws/

Fark the police.
2014-08-19 10:07:40 AM  
1 vote:

Chummer45: Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: Much of this hate on all cops is tied to the militias and other gun nuts.

Posse Commitatus prevents the military from American soil. (Except it doesn't).

If they can get the guns and armor away from the cops, the militias and other gun nuts will feel free to water the tree of liberty.

Eric the Patriotic Sniper is one of the reasons why cops use armor and other heavy equipment.

[thelastofthemillenniums.files.wordpress.com image 359x239]

These guys are two other reasons why cops use heavy equipment (they fought cops with 5 pipe bombs and a pressure cooker bomb)

[i2.cdn.turner.com image 356x200]

For the people who hate all cops, how do you like your new friends?


It's like gun nuts don't understand that encouraging the widespread ownership of modern military-grade firearms gives the cops a perfect excuse for why they need to militarize.


They didn't think their cunning plan through.
2014-08-19 10:06:17 AM  
1 vote:

nocturnal001: Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: Much of this hate on all cops is tied to the militias and other gun nuts.

Posse Commitatus prevents the military from American soil. (Except it doesn't).

If they can get the guns and armor away from the cops, the militias and other gun nuts will feel free to water the tree of liberty.

Eric the Patriotic Sniper is one of the reasons why cops use armor and other heavy equipment.

[thelastofthemillenniums.files.wordpress.com image 359x239]

These guys are two other reasons why cops use heavy equipment (they fought cops with 5 pipe bombs and a pressure cooker bomb)

[i2.cdn.turner.com image 356x200]

For the people who hate all cops, how do you like your new friends?

What on Earth are you going on about?

The boston bombers "fought" cops with pipe bombs? Sorry guy, that BS isn't flying.


Firefight with police

Shortly after midnight on April 19, a Watertown police officer identified the brothers in a Honda Civic and the stolen SUV, and a ferocious gunfight followed on the 100 block of Laurel St, between the brothers and police arriving at the scene. An estimated 200-300 rounds of ammunition were fired and at least one further bomb and several "crude grenades" were thrown.
According to Watertown Police Chief Edward Deveau, the brothers had an "arsenal of guns." Also according to Deveau, the older brother, Tamerlan, ran out of ammunition and was tackled and apprehended by police, while the younger brother Dzhokhar drove the stolen SUV toward police and over Tamerlan, dragging him a short distance down the street.


You can stop with the personal attacks.
2014-08-19 10:05:30 AM  
1 vote:

jmr61: TheWhoppah: As a father, this story makes me feel stabby.  I have to keep reminding myself that the 95% of cops that are horrible people give the rest of them a bad name.

This one is more about the lawyers.


Lawyers didn't toss that flashbang.

/check your targets
//kid was sleeping with intent
2014-08-19 10:05:02 AM  
1 vote:

nocturnal001: Ohh, I know. How about they have their police not get Army boners and execute violent SWAT raids on basic drug search warrants? Crazy idea right!


This warrant was sworn out and executed on the basis of hearsay. The police made *zero* attempt to gather evidence before the raid, *zero* effort to verify whether the hearsay was even reliable, and *zero* attempt to even visually determine whether the suspect was even present in the premises (or just who was present,) before they landed upon the occupants of the house with jack-booted feet. In other words, they did no "police work" at all, and just played Rambo at the expense of people who it turned out, were 100% innocent. This fact should be stressed the hardest, because innocence is supposed to be your refuge against such roughshod treatment by the very people we trust to protect us from the "real criminals", (whom it should be noted, they are coming to resemble more and more each day.)
2014-08-19 09:53:15 AM  
1 vote:

Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: Much of this hate on all cops is tied to the militias and other gun nuts.

Posse Commitatus prevents the military from American soil. (Except it doesn't).

If they can get the guns and armor away from the cops, the militias and other gun nuts will feel free to water the tree of liberty.

Eric the Patriotic Sniper is one of the reasons why cops use armor and other heavy equipment.

[thelastofthemillenniums.files.wordpress.com image 359x239]

These guys are two other reasons why cops use heavy equipment (they fought cops with 5 pipe bombs and a pressure cooker bomb)

[i2.cdn.turner.com image 356x200]

For the people who hate all cops, how do you like your new friends?


What on Earth are you going on about?

The boston bombers "fought" cops with pipe bombs? Sorry guy, that BS isn't flying. The police can clearly differentiate between a militia outpost and a normal house that is being searched for some drugs.

PS the militarization of the police began way before either of those two events so you get the Fark Derp award for the day. Congrats!
2014-08-19 09:52:41 AM  
1 vote:

tekmo: Sovereign immunity and official immunity are despotism flatly incompatible with the Constitution and any notion of justice, and both bullshiat doctrines belong in history's dustbin.



Amen. When cops lose their pensions and houses for such shiat then, and only then, will they begin to show restraint.
2014-08-19 09:35:16 AM  
1 vote:

lack of warmth: ecmoRandomNumbers: I hope their lawsuit bankrupts the county.

This.  And I'm done with this thread.


No.   Because the taxpayers will end up footing the bill.

The lawsuits should bankrupt the cops who actually were on that raid.  But that won't happen.
2014-08-19 08:59:45 AM  
1 vote:
These bozoids should be taken out and shot, pour encourager l'outres.
2014-08-19 08:57:22 AM  
1 vote:

MaudlinMutantMollusk: No rules, no accountability

/any wonder the police are becoming more hated by the day?


Paying the baby's medical bills could actually LEAD to accountability.  And after that, they might not even be able to throw grenades into people's houses at 3 AM.

And then where would they be?  I mean let's be reasonable here.
2014-08-19 08:50:55 AM  
1 vote:

b2theory: netweavr: To be fair the county is legally forbidden to pay unless compelled by a Court. This is to prevent someone scamming the county out of money (eg the Mayor's BIL stubs his toe, better pay millions).

They're not saying "we don't want to" they're saying "we cannot legally do it, please sue us so we can"

This actually makes me worried about their representation. Why wasn't their first step to sue.


That was the first step in the process. Have to address the injuring party for compensation first.

Now that the refusal has happened, it can go to court.

First thing that should happen is change of venue, or at least a judge appointed from a district on the other side of the state to look at the case.

Still, the suit will go anywhere because of Sovereign Immunity. Even though everyone up and down the line was completely negligent in this process, the ability to get a settlement is close to nil.
2014-08-19 08:42:15 AM  
1 vote:
All of this, every last innocent casualty, every destroyed property, is all because the corrupted government has been bought out by Big Pharma and the police are the de facto "enforcers" in Big Pharma's turf war with the cottage pharma network. Every police department in the country simply has to be outfitted for gang warfare, despite there already being at least 50 automatic weapons in police hands for every suspected gang member. That number increases dramatically when you compare it to actual gang members, thanks to "cop math" and the government's overwhelming desire to lock everything down air-tight. Meanwhile, the toys they already have, their gang mentality requires that they simply have to play with, leading to drastically increased risk and needless loss of life and limb for increasing numbers of innocent civilians. And never forget, the courts are on their side. After all, their paychecks all come from the same department. So, good luck getting any justice at all, even when their actions are entirely and obviously illegal, and in direct violation of your constitutional rights. The U.S. is the only country on the planet which allows Pharmaceutical companies to market and advertise directly to the consumers, so deep in their pockets are our "representatives". Sorry to say it, but it will only get worse until enough people actually get enough guts to sacrifice everything to make it better. As JFK said, "When you make peaceful reform impossible, you make violent reform inevitable." This country used to stand for something other than "might makes right." Maybe it will again someday.

My only regret is that I probably won't live to see it.
2014-08-19 08:30:04 AM  
1 vote:

Whole Wheat: I'm a nurse in a rural hospital


No, no you're not.

And if you are, you're pretty farked up.

It's threads like this that make filtering out the idiots easy peasy.
2014-08-19 07:58:38 AM  
1 vote:

tekmo: The city isn't going to pay because it is immune from tort liability because the state almost certainly has granted itself statutory or common-law sovereign immunity, and the cops are immune because of official immunity.

The victims will sue, and even though they can prove injury and damages, the state will invoke immunity and the courts will agree to throw the case out on that basis.

So the very government which guarantees you equal protection, due process, a right to trial, and remedy for injury will deny you all of that when it is the wrongdoer.

And the perverse outcome of both immunity doctrines is to encourage state actors to perform their duties negligently and recklessly because what the fark are you going to do? Sue them so they can compound your injury by shoving your case right back up your ass?

Sovereign immunity and official immunity are despotism flatly incompatible with the Constitution and any notion of justice, and both bullshiat doctrines belong in history's dustbin.


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2014-08-19 07:55:32 AM  
1 vote:

Whole Wheat: ReverendJasen: Whole Wheat: The mom who chose to house her baby at a meth lab put the baby in harm's way. Grow up!

Yeah, I'm with you, fark that baby!  He totally had it coming and doesn't deserve any better medical care than a bandaid.
In fact, we should blow grenades up in the faces of all irresponsible parents just to teach those stupid babies a lesson.

I never said that I wasn't sorry for the baby. The baby has a long row to hoe even after he/she heals up. Mom isn't running with very good people or making very good decIsions.

The baby has gotten all of the care it needs. People who shack up in meth labs generally do not pay their bills, so this is a non-story.

If mom had the option of paying $5/week for the next ten years to settle her bill, she wouldn't, because that is a pack of smokes or two Red Bulls.

I'm a nurse in a rural hospital, and I deal with this social strata on a daily basis. They get better care than you or me, and never pay a dime.



Yeah! fark the poor, amirite?
2014-08-19 07:44:03 AM  
1 vote:

MaudlinMutantMollusk: No rules, no accountability

/any wonder the police are becoming more hated by the day?


NOPE!!!  The police have ruined their own reputation...
2014-08-19 07:42:21 AM  
1 vote:
Why did they need to send in the SWAT team to begin with? SWAT team should be something used rarely, if ever, in only the most extreme circumstances. Instead we have out of control police using them all the farking time, just to pick people up.

Why couldn't they have have simply waited until their target went to go get food or something? They do not have to constantly kick down doors. It's partly that they have all this equipment and personnel around so they're going to use it, partly because they have no one restraining them and partly because plenty of the police love the opportunity to play dress up and pretend to be some kind of movie action hero.
2014-08-19 07:21:28 AM  
1 vote:

tekmo: Daedalus27: but almost certainly someone is going to be paying for this mistake.

And it ain't going to be the government.


And therein lies the problem.

None of the people involved have any "skin in the game".  No matter what happens, none the compensation will be coming from the individuals who acted irresponsibly, it will be coming from the taxpayers.  I think that's a major part of the problem.

Look, if a person at a private company, say, a security company that is part of a corporation, did something to you to cause you personal harm, you could sue both the individual involved, and the corporation.  So both have a financial incentive not to harm you unnecessarily.  The individual moreso, because any one individual is going to have fewer resources than the corporation that employs them.

But even if the police act in a reckless manner, as it appears that they did in this case, then they should be required to fork over some of their own cash so that there is some personal pain to making a bad professional mistake.

If they truly thought it was a meth lab, then tossing a flash-bang grenade into the house where children may be present should be a criminal act:  Meth labs have been known to explode.  Even if they thought it was just a meth dealer, though, without the chemicals and apparatus to manufacture it, using a dynamic entry team along with flash-bang grenades to serve a "no-knock" warrant* is a recipe for disaster, the sort of disaster that we regularly hear about here on Fark.

We *REALLY* need to reassess the powers that we give to the police, and the tools and techniques they are allowed to use.


*Which, BTW, should almost *NEVER* be issued.  Almost.
2014-08-19 03:36:39 AM  
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walkingtall: Or at least we were led to believe that.
Now we find the robbery didn't take place; while we got two carefully selected incriminating looking stills from the cops showing the 'strong-arm robbery', the actual running video from the store shows him paying for the cigars and leaving. Attorneys for the store deny that the store ever called the police to report any kind of robbery, and claim the owners were taken aback when cops arrived and demanded the video from them.

Got any links for that. I cant find it. From the video I saw it certainly looks like a robbery to me.


http://crooksandliars.com/2014/08/ferguson-cops-busted-new-video-see ms -show

There is one. No clue what to think of it, but the stores attorneys have made a number of statements that conflict with the cops story. Who knows what the fark really happened at this point.
2014-08-19 03:31:33 AM  
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Or at least we were led to believe that.
Now we find the robbery didn't take place; while we got two carefully selected incriminating looking stills from the cops showing the 'strong-arm robbery', the actual running video from the store shows him paying for the cigars and leaving. Attorneys for the store deny that the store ever called the police to report any kind of robbery, and claim the owners were taken aback when cops arrived and demanded the video from them.

Got any links for that. I cant find it. From the video I saw it certainly looks like a robbery to me.
2014-08-19 03:18:20 AM  
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tekmo: The city isn't going to pay because it is immune from tort liability because the state almost certainly has granted itself statutory or common-law sovereign immunity, and the cops are immune because of official immunity.

The victims will sue, and even though they can prove injury and damages, the state will invoke immunity and the courts will agree to throw the case out on that basis.

So the very government which guarantees you equal protection, due process, a right to trial, and remedy for injury will deny you all of that when it is the wrongdoer.

And the perverse outcome of both immunity doctrines is to encourage state actors to perform their duties negligently and recklessly because what the fark are you going to do? Sue them so they can compound your injury by shoving your case right back up your ass?

Sovereign immunity and official immunity are despotism flatly incompatible with the Constitution and any notion of justice, and both bullshiat doctrines belong in history's dustbin.


It is the county sheriff involved in the raid, therefore the county itself is responsible for the outcomes of what happened that night.  Although there is sovereign immunity that exists, in practice for many things such as intentional torts, the state and federal government have waived it by various laws spelling out what can be litigated and under what authority. I am not certain what is available for the victims of this raid and what avenue they have to explore, but almost certainly someone is going to be paying for this mistake.
2014-08-19 02:30:36 AM  
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If you can get disbarred for telling the truth, then the law profession has come full circle to nothing, and we can toss the whole thing in the ocean.
2014-08-19 02:08:15 AM  
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TheWhoppah: As a father, this story makes me feel stabby.  I have to keep reminding myself that the 95% of cops that are horrible people give the rest of them a bad name.


This one is more about the lawyers.
2014-08-19 02:05:45 AM  
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As a father, this story makes me feel stabby.  I have to keep reminding myself that the 95% of cops that are horrible people give the rest of them a bad name.
 
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