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(WSBTV)   Remember that botched raid where the SWAT team threw a flashbang grenade into a toddler's crib? The county refuses to pay the toddler's medical bills   (wsbtv.com) divider line 208
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2014-08-19 09:50:46 AM  
Is there a fund setup for this kid somewhere? Does anyone know?

Daedalus27: netweavr: To be fair the county is legally forbidden to pay unless compelled by a Court. This is to prevent someone scamming the county out of money (eg the Mayor's BIL stubs his toe, better pay millions).

They're not saying "we don't want to" they're saying "we cannot legally do it, please sue us so we can"

Exactly.  No one is saying that the county isn't liable for this mistake by their officers, they are saying that at this point they are prohibited from paying.  That's not to say they are not acknowledging the potential liability.  Can you imagine the corruption that may occur in some places (well more so than we already see) if they could award cash based upon incidents that haven't been litigated and had at least a judge sign off on them.  I wonder why this case hasn't been quietly settled already other than if the number the family is giving the county is some outrageous figure (not that it wouldn't be justified to start extremely high number given the asinine conduct by the officers)


Right. I'm sure the County is trying very hard to help the kid out.

Ohh, I know. How about they have their police not get Army boners and execute violent SWAT raids on basic drug search warrants? Crazy idea right!
 
2014-08-19 09:52:41 AM  

tekmo: Sovereign immunity and official immunity are despotism flatly incompatible with the Constitution and any notion of justice, and both bullshiat doctrines belong in history's dustbin.



Amen. When cops lose their pensions and houses for such shiat then, and only then, will they begin to show restraint.
 
2014-08-19 09:53:15 AM  

Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: Much of this hate on all cops is tied to the militias and other gun nuts.

Posse Commitatus prevents the military from American soil. (Except it doesn't).

If they can get the guns and armor away from the cops, the militias and other gun nuts will feel free to water the tree of liberty.

Eric the Patriotic Sniper is one of the reasons why cops use armor and other heavy equipment.

[thelastofthemillenniums.files.wordpress.com image 359x239]

These guys are two other reasons why cops use heavy equipment (they fought cops with 5 pipe bombs and a pressure cooker bomb)

[i2.cdn.turner.com image 356x200]

For the people who hate all cops, how do you like your new friends?


What on Earth are you going on about?

The boston bombers "fought" cops with pipe bombs? Sorry guy, that BS isn't flying. The police can clearly differentiate between a militia outpost and a normal house that is being searched for some drugs.

PS the militarization of the police began way before either of those two events so you get the Fark Derp award for the day. Congrats!
 
2014-08-19 09:59:22 AM  

m00: It kills me many libertarian-espousing groups are suddenly like "oh, well... we have to wait and see." But the Bundy ranch, they're there in 5 minutes.


And now you're on my green list.
 
2014-08-19 10:00:16 AM  

FarkaDark: Do you have any idea how much property they will need to confiscate to pay those bills? No persons home or family will be safe while they are paying off those greedy doctors.


Come on man, such a lazy troll.
 
2014-08-19 10:04:45 AM  

Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: Much of this hate on all cops is tied to the militias and other gun nuts.

Posse Commitatus prevents the military from American soil. (Except it doesn't).

If they can get the guns and armor away from the cops, the militias and other gun nuts will feel free to water the tree of liberty.

Eric the Patriotic Sniper is one of the reasons why cops use armor and other heavy equipment.

[thelastofthemillenniums.files.wordpress.com image 359x239]

These guys are two other reasons why cops use heavy equipment (they fought cops with 5 pipe bombs and a pressure cooker bomb)

[i2.cdn.turner.com image 356x200]

For the people who hate all cops, how do you like your new friends?



It's like gun nuts don't understand that encouraging the widespread ownership of modern military-grade firearms gives the cops a perfect excuse for why they need to militarize.
 
2014-08-19 10:05:02 AM  

nocturnal001: Ohh, I know. How about they have their police not get Army boners and execute violent SWAT raids on basic drug search warrants? Crazy idea right!


This warrant was sworn out and executed on the basis of hearsay. The police made *zero* attempt to gather evidence before the raid, *zero* effort to verify whether the hearsay was even reliable, and *zero* attempt to even visually determine whether the suspect was even present in the premises (or just who was present,) before they landed upon the occupants of the house with jack-booted feet. In other words, they did no "police work" at all, and just played Rambo at the expense of people who it turned out, were 100% innocent. This fact should be stressed the hardest, because innocence is supposed to be your refuge against such roughshod treatment by the very people we trust to protect us from the "real criminals", (whom it should be noted, they are coming to resemble more and more each day.)
 
2014-08-19 10:05:30 AM  

jmr61: TheWhoppah: As a father, this story makes me feel stabby.  I have to keep reminding myself that the 95% of cops that are horrible people give the rest of them a bad name.

This one is more about the lawyers.


Lawyers didn't toss that flashbang.

/check your targets
//kid was sleeping with intent
 
2014-08-19 10:06:17 AM  

nocturnal001: Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: Much of this hate on all cops is tied to the militias and other gun nuts.

Posse Commitatus prevents the military from American soil. (Except it doesn't).

If they can get the guns and armor away from the cops, the militias and other gun nuts will feel free to water the tree of liberty.

Eric the Patriotic Sniper is one of the reasons why cops use armor and other heavy equipment.

[thelastofthemillenniums.files.wordpress.com image 359x239]

These guys are two other reasons why cops use heavy equipment (they fought cops with 5 pipe bombs and a pressure cooker bomb)

[i2.cdn.turner.com image 356x200]

For the people who hate all cops, how do you like your new friends?

What on Earth are you going on about?

The boston bombers "fought" cops with pipe bombs? Sorry guy, that BS isn't flying.


Firefight with police

Shortly after midnight on April 19, a Watertown police officer identified the brothers in a Honda Civic and the stolen SUV, and a ferocious gunfight followed on the 100 block of Laurel St, between the brothers and police arriving at the scene. An estimated 200-300 rounds of ammunition were fired and at least one further bomb and several "crude grenades" were thrown.
According to Watertown Police Chief Edward Deveau, the brothers had an "arsenal of guns." Also according to Deveau, the older brother, Tamerlan, ran out of ammunition and was tackled and apprehended by police, while the younger brother Dzhokhar drove the stolen SUV toward police and over Tamerlan, dragging him a short distance down the street.


You can stop with the personal attacks.
 
2014-08-19 10:07:40 AM  

Chummer45: Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: Much of this hate on all cops is tied to the militias and other gun nuts.

Posse Commitatus prevents the military from American soil. (Except it doesn't).

If they can get the guns and armor away from the cops, the militias and other gun nuts will feel free to water the tree of liberty.

Eric the Patriotic Sniper is one of the reasons why cops use armor and other heavy equipment.

[thelastofthemillenniums.files.wordpress.com image 359x239]

These guys are two other reasons why cops use heavy equipment (they fought cops with 5 pipe bombs and a pressure cooker bomb)

[i2.cdn.turner.com image 356x200]

For the people who hate all cops, how do you like your new friends?


It's like gun nuts don't understand that encouraging the widespread ownership of modern military-grade firearms gives the cops a perfect excuse for why they need to militarize.


They didn't think their cunning plan through.
 
2014-08-19 10:08:20 AM  

martissimo: doglover: netweavr: doglover: netweavr: To be fair the county is legally forbidden to pay unless compelled by a Court. This is to prevent someone scamming the county out of money (eg the Mayor's BIL stubs his toe, better pay millions).

They're not saying "we don't want to" they're saying "we cannot legally do it, please sue us so we can"

No, they're saying:

The question before the board was whether it is legally permitted to pay these expenses. After consideration of this question following advice of counsel, the board of commissioners has concluded that it would be in violation of the law for it to do so.

They didn't say "Please sue us!" or "We'd love to pay but we can't by law." or any other adult thing. They took the dickhead route and gave a blanket denial with no subtext through a lawyer. Line them up on the chopping block next to the Fergusun PD.

Funny how two people can read the same thing and come to wildly different conclusions.

Which is because the county lawyer is an asshole who can't communicate. If he COULD communicate, he would be saying what you are saying in the words you are using. YOU should be the country lawyer, or at least his mouthpiece.

Instead, he said something awful which makes decent people want to pop him in the mouth.

That is not something he is allowed to do, if you hire a lawyer he can't say anything intentionally detrimental like "yeah he's guilty as sin, so sue him"

pretty sure you get disbarred for shiat like that


Generally, yeah..."duty of zealous advocacy" is the standard in many jurisdictions.
 
2014-08-19 10:13:13 AM  

swahnhennessy: Their policy seems like a good way for the county to end up getting the shaft in the long run. Rather than paying up front they expose themselves to inflated payouts brought on by lawsuits. Great deal for lawyers, though. This way they get their cut.


The lawyer defending the county almost certainly DOESN'T get "a cut".  And plaintiff's lawyers generally prefer a settlement now to trial in a year, appeals court in another year, then back to the lower court to squabble about attachment proceedings in year three...
 
2014-08-19 10:16:59 AM  

Daedalus27: Agreed.  His duty is to the taxpayers of the county.  He has to act in the best interest of the county which means defending their action in what ever manner he can.  Like a defense attorney, this can be incredibly difficult and look horrible, but he is required to do so regardless of his personal feelings.  This means while he cannot say they are guilty and will put up a defense no matter how weak, at the same time you can bet he will strongly encourage a healthy settlement ASAP as you do not want th ...


If his goal is truly to act in the best interest of the county and if the police officers involved are guilty of gross misconduct, then he should find a way to throw them under the proverbial bus, like withdrawing from the case in a flashy way. That would be in the best interest of the county.
 
2014-08-19 10:17:07 AM  

nocturnal001: FarkaDark: Do you have any idea how much property they will need to confiscate to pay those bills? No persons home or family will be safe while they are paying off those greedy doctors.

Come on man, such a lazy troll.


Trolling =/= sarcasm.  And I put a lot of work into that dumb comment
 
2014-08-19 10:17:28 AM  
I like what SWAT teams in Massachusetts are doing.  They are declaring themselves to be "private corporations" thereby exempting them from open records laws.  It's so cute!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2014/06/26/massachus et ts-swat-teams-claim-theyre-private-corporations-immune-from-open-recor ds-laws/

Fark the police.
 
2014-08-19 10:17:28 AM  

Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: Chummer45: Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: Much of this hate on all cops is tied to the militias and other gun nuts.

Posse Commitatus prevents the military from American soil. (Except it doesn't).

If they can get the guns and armor away from the cops, the militias and other gun nuts will feel free to water the tree of liberty.

Eric the Patriotic Sniper is one of the reasons why cops use armor and other heavy equipment.

[thelastofthemillenniums.files.wordpress.com image 359x239]

These guys are two other reasons why cops use heavy equipment (they fought cops with 5 pipe bombs and a pressure cooker bomb)

[i2.cdn.turner.com image 356x200]

For the people who hate all cops, how do you like your new friends?


It's like gun nuts don't understand that encouraging the widespread ownership of modern military-grade firearms gives the cops a perfect excuse for why they need to militarize.

They didn't think their cunning plan through.



Also, instead of making guns harder for criminals to get their hands on, their solution is to just have everyone own and carry guns.  The arms race method of vigilante law enforcement - a libertarian's dream.
 
2014-08-19 10:17:29 AM  

Whole Wheat: bubo_sibiricus: Whole Wheat: I'm a nurse in a rural hospital

No, no you're not.

And if you are, you're pretty farked up.

It's threads like this that make filtering out the idiots easy peasy.

Yes, I am. What does it matter if I'm not?

The baby will be (is being) treated for the injuries caused.

The mom just throws away the bills and they go away. I know, because I am a RN at a hospital in a rural area of Ohio with a horrible drug problem.

The police were responding to a warrant for a DRUG DEALER. It wasn't for parking violations.

The mom shouldn't have had the baby there. She's an unfit mother and should answer for the baby's injuries.


Yes, because when your house burns down, you've always got all kinds of good options:

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/toddler-critically-burned-durin g- swat-raid/nf9SJ/
 
2014-08-19 10:18:04 AM  
This is why people sue. The end.
 
2014-08-19 10:18:19 AM  

Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: nocturnal001: Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: Much of this hate on all cops is tied to the militias and other gun nuts.

Posse Commitatus prevents the military from American soil. (Except it doesn't).

If they can get the guns and armor away from the cops, the militias and other gun nuts will feel free to water the tree of liberty.

Eric the Patriotic Sniper is one of the reasons why cops use armor and other heavy equipment.

[thelastofthemillenniums.files.wordpress.com image 359x239]

These guys are two other reasons why cops use heavy equipment (they fought cops with 5 pipe bombs and a pressure cooker bomb)

[i2.cdn.turner.com image 356x200]

For the people who hate all cops, how do you like your new friends?

What on Earth are you going on about?

The boston bombers "fought" cops with pipe bombs? Sorry guy, that BS isn't flying.

Firefight with police

Shortly after midnight on April 19, a Watertown police officer identified the brothers in a Honda Civic and the stolen SUV, and a ferocious gunfight followed on the 100 block of Laurel St, between the brothers and police arriving at the scene. An estimated 200-300 rounds of ammunition were fired and at least one further bomb and several "crude grenades" were thrown.
According to Watertown Police Chief Edward Deveau, the brothers had an "arsenal of guns." Also according to Deveau, the older brother, Tamerlan, ran out of ammunition and was tackled and apprehended by police, while the younger brother Dzhokhar drove the stolen SUV toward police and over Tamerlan, dragging him a short distance down the street.

You can stop with the personal attacks.


What personal attack?

Again. So your claim is that the militarization of the police happened because of the Boston Bombers. Fascinating. Did they borrow Obama's magical time machine to do so?
 
2014-08-19 10:19:17 AM  

FarkaDark: nocturnal001: FarkaDark: Do you have any idea how much property they will need to confiscate to pay those bills? No persons home or family will be safe while they are paying off those greedy doctors.

Come on man, such a lazy troll.

Trolling =/= sarcasm.  And I put a lot of work into that dumb comment


It is very hard to tell sometimes between satire, troll, and stupidity. Please disregard.
 
2014-08-19 10:22:21 AM  
Don't have a kid if you aren't willing to endure it.
 
2014-08-19 10:28:05 AM  

knottybynature: charlesmartel11235: non-story. illegal assault baby

He had one of those high-capacity pampers, too...


Can someone post the baby "get to the choppa" pic? I don't have it and I can't believe no one posted it already.

/also see that Marine down by San Diego that got shot what, 23 times? Because a cop got trigger happy and the rest followed suit. Dude was Hispanic, and I haven't heard a word of it since the story broke it was the cops' fault.
//not sure how I feel about the mom putting the kid in front of her, but hey, they both lived, so whatever works I guess
 
2014-08-19 10:31:22 AM  

nocturnal001: Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: nocturnal001: Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: Much of this hate on all cops is tied to the militias and other gun nuts.

Posse Commitatus prevents the military from American soil. (Except it doesn't).

If they can get the guns and armor away from the cops, the militias and other gun nuts will feel free to water the tree of liberty.

Eric the Patriotic Sniper is one of the reasons why cops use armor and other heavy equipment.

[thelastofthemillenniums.files.wordpress.com image 359x239]

These guys are two other reasons why cops use heavy equipment (they fought cops with 5 pipe bombs and a pressure cooker bomb)

[i2.cdn.turner.com image 356x200]

For the people who hate all cops, how do you like your new friends?

What on Earth are you going on about?

The boston bombers "fought" cops with pipe bombs? Sorry guy, that BS isn't flying.

Firefight with police

Shortly after midnight on April 19, a Watertown police officer identified the brothers in a Honda Civic and the stolen SUV, and a ferocious gunfight followed on the 100 block of Laurel St, between the brothers and police arriving at the scene. An estimated 200-300 rounds of ammunition were fired and at least one further bomb and several "crude grenades" were thrown.
According to Watertown Police Chief Edward Deveau, the brothers had an "arsenal of guns." Also according to Deveau, the older brother, Tamerlan, ran out of ammunition and was tackled and apprehended by police, while the younger brother Dzhokhar drove the stolen SUV toward police and over Tamerlan, dragging him a short distance down the street.

You can stop with the personal attacks.

What personal attack?

Again. So your claim is that the militarization of the police happened because of the Boston Bombers. Fascinating. Did they borrow Obama's magical time machine to do so?


Lol- "200-300" rounds were fired (by whom?).. the boston bombers only had *one* gun if I remember correctly.

Do I need to post the photo of the unarmed senior-citizen ladies who had their truck shot up with 131 rounds in California, because the newspaper they threw on the ground "sounded like a gunshot", to a trained, "professional observer" (a cop)?
 
2014-08-19 10:31:52 AM  

Whole Wheat: The police were responding to a warrant for a DRUG DEALER. It wasn't for parking violations.


So go there with armed officers but not a militarized SWAT team, knock and announce, and then enter without throwing a farking *BOMB* in the house.

Oh, and you might want to just make sure the target of the arrest warrant is home at the time of the raid.

No-knock raids using SWAT teams like that get innocent people and cops themselves injured and killed, and the justification is to "prevent destruction of evidence".

If you burst into a home unnanounced with explosives and dressed like soldiers or ninjas you shouldn't be in the least surprised if people shoot at you, especially if they haven't committed a crime.
 
2014-08-19 10:34:51 AM  

nocturnal001: Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: nocturnal001: Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: Much of this hate on all cops is tied to the militias and other gun nuts.

Posse Commitatus prevents the military from American soil. (Except it doesn't).

If they can get the guns and armor away from the cops, the militias and other gun nuts will feel free to water the tree of liberty.

Eric the Patriotic Sniper is one of the reasons why cops use armor and other heavy equipment.

[thelastofthemillenniums.files.wordpress.com image 359x239]

These guys are two other reasons why cops use heavy equipment (they fought cops with 5 pipe bombs and a pressure cooker bomb)

[i2.cdn.turner.com image 356x200]

For the people who hate all cops, how do you like your new friends?

What on Earth are you going on about?

The boston bombers "fought" cops with pipe bombs? Sorry guy, that BS isn't flying.

Firefight with police

Shortly after midnight on April 19, a Watertown police officer identified the brothers in a Honda Civic and the stolen SUV, and a ferocious gunfight followed on the 100 block of Laurel St, between the brothers and police arriving at the scene. An estimated 200-300 rounds of ammunition were fired and at least one further bomb and several "crude grenades" were thrown.
According to Watertown Police Chief Edward Deveau, the brothers had an "arsenal of guns." Also according to Deveau, the older brother, Tamerlan, ran out of ammunition and was tackled and apprehended by police, while the younger brother Dzhokhar drove the stolen SUV toward police and over Tamerlan, dragging him a short distance down the street.

You can stop with the personal attacks.

What personal attack?

Again. So your claim is that the militarization of the police happened because of the Boston Bombers. Fascinating. Did they borrow Obama's magical time machine to do so?


You need to learn some more history, do you? You were ignorant about the Boston Bombers. Here let me school you on the militarization of LEOs.


John Brown 1859. Precipitated a war that killed hundreds of thousands of Americans
Clyde Barrow 1930s. Helped force the FBI into a national police forced armed with sub machine guns.

Americans have been stealing military arms since at least 1859 for their devious plots. And cops at all levels of LE have been responding.

Anything else you need schooling on, Fark Derp Winner of the Day?
 
2014-08-19 10:35:59 AM  

Whole Wheat: because I am a RN


And I'm Eleanor Roosevelt.  Prove otherwise.

>DRUG DEALER

Ooooh!  I'm sure that baby was dealing some heavy duty drugs to deserve a flash-bang grenade in its crib!

I'd call you a racist, but you're just a total farkhead, which takes precedence over everything.
 
2014-08-19 10:37:22 AM  

dittybopper: If you burst into a home unnanounced with explosives and dressed like soldiers or ninjas you shouldn't be in the least surprised if people shoot at you, especially if they haven't committed a crime.


Has there been a case where SWAT does a no knock warrant on the wrong house and someone in the house kills a police officer? If so, I hope they were acquitted and awarded damages.
 
2014-08-19 10:40:46 AM  

FarkedOver: I like what SWAT teams in Massachusetts are doing.  They are declaring themselves to be "private corporations" thereby exempting them from open records laws.  It's so cute!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2014/06/26/massachus et ts-swat-teams-claim-theyre-private-corporations-immune-from-open-recor ds-laws/

Fark the police.


I don't think they really thought that one through.  If they are acting under the aegis of a private corporation instead of the government, they can be held personally liable for their individual acts, and the corporation can be sued to recover damages, which means that all of their expensive SWAT equipment is legally vulnerable seizure to satisfy a judgement against them (as I don't think they have a real revenue stream).
 
2014-08-19 10:43:15 AM  

dittybopper: FarkedOver: I like what SWAT teams in Massachusetts are doing.  They are declaring themselves to be "private corporations" thereby exempting them from open records laws.  It's so cute!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2014/06/26/massachus et ts-swat-teams-claim-theyre-private-corporations-immune-from-open-recor ds-laws/

Fark the police.

I don't think they really thought that one through.  If they are acting under the aegis of a private corporation instead of the government, they can be held personally liable for their individual acts, and the corporation can be sued to recover damages, which means that all of their expensive SWAT equipment is legally vulnerable seizure to satisfy a judgement against them (as I don't think they have a real revenue stream).


I honestly don't know how they can call themselves "private" while everything they have is bought and paid for by tax payers.... I think what they are doing is trying to have it both ways, which hopefully blows up in their goddamn face faster than a flash bang.
 
2014-08-19 10:47:29 AM  

Whole Wheat: bubo_sibiricus: Whole Wheat: I'm a nurse in a rural hospital

No, no you're not.

And if you are, you're pretty farked up.

It's threads like this that make filtering out the idiots easy peasy.

Yes, I am. What does it matter if I'm not?

The baby will be (is being) treated for the injuries caused.

The mom just throws away the bills and they go away. I know, because I am a RN at a hospital in a rural area of Ohio with a horrible drug problem.

The police were responding to a warrant for a DRUG DEALER. It wasn't for parking violations.

The mom shouldn't have had the baby there. She's an unfit mother and should answer for the baby's injuries.


Bit of info. Mother and baby had arrived the afternoon of the raid from Wisconsin. Whether she knew her brother was actively dealing when she got there wasn't clear.

Someone said that the warrant was issued only on a C.I.'s word. I think there had been a couple of confirmed buys by LE.  However, there WERE much better ways to handle this than a No Knock. Just some simple surveillance and a traffic stop would have done the trick.
 
2014-08-19 10:47:43 AM  

FarkedOver: dittybopper: If you burst into a home unnanounced with explosives and dressed like soldiers or ninjas you shouldn't be in the least surprised if people shoot at you, especially if they haven't committed a crime.

Has there been a case where SWAT does a no knock warrant on the wrong house and someone in the house kills a police officer? If so, I hope they were acquitted and awarded damages.


Yes.  A number of times.

In some cases, juries refused to convict.  In others, the person has been tried, convicted, and sentenced to death for killing a police officer, though in that particular case the appeals process ended up with him being convicted only of manslaughter and only serving 10 years.
 
2014-08-19 10:51:42 AM  

dittybopper: FarkedOver: dittybopper: If you burst into a home unnanounced with explosives and dressed like soldiers or ninjas you shouldn't be in the least surprised if people shoot at you, especially if they haven't committed a crime.

Has there been a case where SWAT does a no knock warrant on the wrong house and someone in the house kills a police officer? If so, I hope they were acquitted and awarded damages.

Yes.  A number of times.

In some cases, juries refused to convict.  In others, the person has been tried, convicted, and sentenced to death for killing a police officer, though in that particular case the appeals process ended up with him being convicted only of manslaughter and only serving 10 years.


Thanks.  That's some interesting shiat.
 
2014-08-19 10:54:27 AM  

bubo_sibiricus: And I'm Eleanor Roosevelt.  Prove otherwise.


Actually, that's pretty easy.  You may be *AN* Eleanor Roosevelt, but *THE* Eleanor Roosevelt was born in 1884, which would make her 130 years old, which is past the known maximum lifespan of a human being (record is approximately 122.5 years).

You'd have to be Connor MacLeod in drag.
 
2014-08-19 10:55:53 AM  

Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: nocturnal001: Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: nocturnal001: Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: Much of this hate on all cops is tied to the militias and other gun nuts.

Posse Commitatus prevents the military from American soil. (Except it doesn't).

If they can get the guns and armor away from the cops, the militias and other gun nuts will feel free to water the tree of liberty.

Eric the Patriotic Sniper is one of the reasons why cops use armor and other heavy equipment.

[thelastofthemillenniums.files.wordpress.com image 359x239]

These guys are two other reasons why cops use heavy equipment (they fought cops with 5 pipe bombs and a pressure cooker bomb)

[i2.cdn.turner.com image 356x200]

For the people who hate all cops, how do you like your new friends?

What on Earth are you going on about?

The boston bombers "fought" cops with pipe bombs? Sorry guy, that BS isn't flying.

Firefight with police

Shortly after midnight on April 19, a Watertown police officer identified the brothers in a Honda Civic and the stolen SUV, and a ferocious gunfight followed on the 100 block of Laurel St, between the brothers and police arriving at the scene. An estimated 200-300 rounds of ammunition were fired and at least one further bomb and several "crude grenades" were thrown.
According to Watertown Police Chief Edward Deveau, the brothers had an "arsenal of guns." Also according to Deveau, the older brother, Tamerlan, ran out of ammunition and was tackled and apprehended by police, while the younger brother Dzhokhar drove the stolen SUV toward police and over Tamerlan, dragging him a short distance down the street.

You can stop with the personal attacks.

What personal attack?

Again. So your claim is that the militarization of the police happened because of the Boston Bombers. Fascinating. Did they borrow Obama's magical time machine to do so?

You need to learn some more history, do you? You were ignorant about the Boston Bombers. Here let me school you on the militarization of LEOs.


John Bro ...


You are making zero sense.

Your first claim was that the cops needed all this firepower in response to the Boston bombers and that sniper guy. Then you go on to say that police have always been using military arms and have been steadily escalating every since the 1800s?
 
2014-08-19 11:02:04 AM  

dittybopper: Whole Wheat: The police were responding to a warrant for a DRUG DEALER. It wasn't for parking violations.

So go there with armed officers but not a militarized SWAT team, knock and announce, and then enter without throwing a farking *BOMB* in the house.

Oh, and you might want to just make sure the target of the arrest warrant is home at the time of the raid.

No-knock raids using SWAT teams like that get innocent people and cops themselves injured and killed, and the justification is to "prevent destruction of evidence".

If you burst into a home unnanounced with explosives and dressed like soldiers or ninjas you shouldn't be in the least surprised if people shoot at you, especially if they haven't committed a crime.


Especially when you do it at 2 AM.

I would rather all the drug dealers in the world be given an opportunity to flush their drugs rather than have SWAT teams tossing grenades into houses at 2 AM.
 
2014-08-19 11:02:43 AM  

nocturnal001: FarkaDark: nocturnal001: FarkaDark: Do you have any idea how much property they will need to confiscate to pay those bills? No persons home or family will be safe while they are paying off those greedy doctors.

Come on man, such a lazy troll.

Trolling =/= sarcasm.  And I put a lot of work into that dumb comment

It is very hard to tell sometimes between satire, troll, and stupidity. Please disregard.


Understood, disregarded. (Not done making sarcastic and/or dumb comments though)
 
2014-08-19 11:07:37 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: No rules, no accountability

/any wonder the police are becoming more hated by the day?


This.
 
2014-08-19 11:10:23 AM  

Daedalus27: netweavr: To be fair the county is legally forbidden to pay unless compelled by a Court. This is to prevent someone scamming the county out of money (eg the Mayor's BIL stubs his toe, better pay millions).

They're not saying "we don't want to" they're saying "we cannot legally do it, please sue us so we can"

Exactly.  No one is saying that the county isn't liable for this mistake by their officers, they are saying that at this point they are prohibited from paying.  That's not to say they are not acknowledging the potential liability.  Can you imagine the corruption that may occur in some places (well more so than we already see) if they could award cash based upon incidents that haven't been litigated and had at least a judge sign off on them.  I wonder why this case hasn't been quietly settled already other than if the number the family is giving the county is some outrageous figure (not that it wouldn't be justified to start extremely high number given the asinine conduct by the officers)


I think this comment is correct. You really don't want local officials (or officials at  anylevel) to be able to hand out cash without a very, very clear audit trail and as much public visibility as possible. Otherwise every time one of the Police Chief's friends or relatives gets a parking ticket, they also get their kitchen remodeled for free on the County's dime.
 
2014-08-19 11:12:33 AM  

SilentStrider: start throwing them in jail for contempt. that'll get their attention quickly.


Flashbangs in a jail cell? You're damn right that'll get their attention!

/I kee*BOOM*
//tinnitus tone
 
2014-08-19 11:15:36 AM  

TheWhoppah: As a father, this story makes me feel stabby.  I have to keep reminding myself that the 95% of cops that are horrible people give the rest of them a bad name.


Actually, most cops are pretty decent with little children. It's once they stop being adorable that you have to worry.
 
2014-08-19 11:15:49 AM  

Lokkii: Daedalus27: netweavr: To be fair the county is legally forbidden to pay unless compelled by a Court. This is to prevent someone scamming the county out of money (eg the Mayor's BIL stubs his toe, better pay millions).

They're not saying "we don't want to" they're saying "we cannot legally do it, please sue us so we can"

Exactly.  No one is saying that the county isn't liable for this mistake by their officers, they are saying that at this point they are prohibited from paying.  That's not to say they are not acknowledging the potential liability.  Can you imagine the corruption that may occur in some places (well more so than we already see) if they could award cash based upon incidents that haven't been litigated and had at least a judge sign off on them.  I wonder why this case hasn't been quietly settled already other than if the number the family is giving the county is some outrageous figure (not that it wouldn't be justified to start extremely high number given the asinine conduct by the officers)

I think this comment is correct. You really don't want local officials (or officials at  anylevel) to be able to hand out cash without a very, very clear audit trail and as much public visibility as possible. Otherwise every time one of the Police Chief's friends or relatives gets a parking ticket, they also get their kitchen remodeled for free on the County's dime.


Thirded.

If every nephew or cousin of a city council can claim injury, get paid damages and then send some (or all) of it back to their politician relation, there would be no money for football stadiums, aquariums, and other massive opportunities for graft.
 
2014-08-19 11:25:00 AM  
The SWAT team responsible should really do the decent thing, here:

www.cardcow.com
 
2014-08-19 11:35:50 AM  
The baby was such a good kid, but he just hang around with the wrong crowd.

Everyone called the baby a gentle giant.
 
2014-08-19 11:43:10 AM  

SlothB77: The baby was such a good kid, but he just hang around with the wrong crowd.

Everyone called the baby a gentle giant.


I'm sick of everyone calling him "a kid". That baby was 9 pounds 6 ounces for Christ's sake.
 
2014-08-19 11:44:38 AM  

Daedalus27: martissimo: doglover: netweavr: doglover: netweavr: To be fair the county is legally forbidden to pay unless compelled by a Court. This is to prevent someone scamming the county out of money (eg the Mayor's BIL stubs his toe, better pay millions).

They're not saying "we don't want to" they're saying "we cannot legally do it, please sue us so we can"

No, they're saying:

The question before the board was whether it is legally permitted to pay these expenses. After consideration of this question following advice of counsel, the board of commissioners has concluded that it would be in violation of the law for it to do so.

They didn't say "Please sue us!" or "We'd love to pay but we can't by law." or any other adult thing. They took the dickhead route and gave a blanket denial with no subtext through a lawyer. Line them up on the chopping block next to the Fergusun PD.

Funny how two people can read the same thing and come to wildly different conclusions.

Which is because the county lawyer is an asshole who can't communicate. If he COULD communicate, he would be saying what you are saying in the words you are using. YOU should be the country lawyer, or at least his mouthpiece.

Instead, he said something awful which makes decent people want to pop him in the mouth.

That is not something he is allowed to do, if you hire a lawyer he can't say anything intentionally detrimental like "yeah he's guilty as sin, so sue him"

pretty sure you get disbarred for shiat like that

Agreed.  His duty is to the taxpayers of the county.  He has to act in the best interest of the county which means defending their action in what ever manner he can.  Like a defense attorney, this can be incredibly difficult and look horrible, but he is required to do so regardless of his personal feelings.  This means while he cannot say they are guilty and will put up a defense no matter how weak, at the same time you can bet he will strongly encourage a healthy settlement ASAP as you do not want th ...


Agreed. A government representative can't just say, "Bring it on!"
 
2014-08-19 11:51:37 AM  

netweavr: To be fair the county is legally forbidden to pay unless compelled by a Court. This is to prevent someone scamming the county out of money (eg the Mayor's BIL stubs his toe, better pay millions).

They're not saying "we don't want to" they're saying "we cannot legally do it, please sue us so we can"


Exactly, This happens all the time and I hate headlines like this story.
When I was on city government we would have to deny claims for the insurance process to begin.
If a journalist wanted to be a dick they could write something "City denies sweet grandmother's claim for precious Beanie Baby collection flooded by storm sewer back up"
 
2014-08-19 12:01:46 PM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: I hope their lawsuit bankrupts the county.


YEAH! That'll show em! Bankrupt Habersham County and make it so they can't pay for any of the services that the citizens of Habersham County rely upon! Because fark all those people who live there! It's all their fault that that baby got grenaded in the face! YEAH!
 
2014-08-19 12:06:00 PM  

RevMark: ecmoRandomNumbers: I hope their lawsuit bankrupts the county.

YEAH! That'll show em! Bankrupt Habersham County and make it so they can't pay for any of the services that the citizens of Habersham County rely upon! Because fark all those people who live there! It's all their fault that that baby got grenaded in the face! YEAH!


I think cops should be taught how to bowl. Roll the flashbang. If you have to use it at all.

But yeah anything that will advance the disarming of cops is fine with some people. If the county can't provide services, they can't provide necessary equipment to protect cops from...oh gee I don't know....drug dealers who pack lots of heat to protect themselves from cops and from other drug dealers and maybe some of their jilted customers trying to rip them off.
 
2014-08-19 12:09:21 PM  

RevMark: YEAH! That'll show em! Bankrupt Habersham County and make it so they can't pay for any of the services that the citizens of Habersham County rely upon! Because fark all those people who live there! It's all their fault that that baby got grenaded in the face! YEAH!


Well, in a way it is.  They're ultimately responsible for electing the local leadership who are, in turn, responsible for thinking 2AM no-knock swat raids for drugs are a reasonable thing to do.
 
2014-08-19 12:11:30 PM  

Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: RevMark: ecmoRandomNumbers: I hope their lawsuit bankrupts the county.

YEAH! That'll show em! Bankrupt Habersham County and make it so they can't pay for any of the services that the citizens of Habersham County rely upon! Because fark all those people who live there! It's all their fault that that baby got grenaded in the face! YEAH!

I think cops should be taught how to bowl. Roll the flashbang. If you have to use it at all.

But yeah anything that will advance the disarming of cops is fine with some people. If the county can't provide services, they can't provide necessary equipment to protect cops from...oh gee I don't know....drug dealers who pack lots of heat to protect themselves from cops and from other drug dealers and maybe some of their jilted customers trying to rip them off.


So you support the hyper-militarization of civilian law enforcement?
 
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