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m00
2014-08-19 03:38:39 AM  

tekmo: The city isn't going to pay because it is immune from tort liability because the state almost certainly has granted itself statutory or common-law sovereign immunity, and the cops are immune because of official immunity.

The victims will sue, and even though they can prove injury and damages, the state will invoke immunity and the courts will agree to throw the case out on that basis.

So the very government which guarantees you equal protection, due process, a right to trial, and remedy for injury will deny you all of that when it is the wrongdoer.

And the perverse outcome of both immunity doctrines is to encourage state actors to perform their duties negligently and recklessly because what the fark are you going to do? Sue them so they can compound your injury by shoving your case right back up your ass?

Sovereign immunity and official immunity are despotism flatly incompatible with the Constitution and any notion of justice, and both bullshiat doctrines belong in history's dustbin.


And.... you're on my green list.
 
2014-08-19 03:44:04 AM  
The Phonesavahs' attorney also says an independent investigation showed authorities used faulty information to get a search warrant.

In June, Habersham County's sheriff said a confidential informant told them he had bought drugs at the home. But they didn't think any children lived there.

The SWAT team did not find the person it was looking for in the home."

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Grenades into a home and baby's crib on a suspicion?
Sounds like a war scene in Syria, or Afghanistan.
Oh, its a war, upon americans, by a nazi regime that everyone has ignored for too long.

But, this, and much worse is commonplace in Amerika today.
Standard practice, against Geneva convention & etc

You'd think the citizens would be up in arms over the appearance of a police state in America,
or at least some serious voting.

The time will come when most Americans will welcome an invasion by the UN in the name of human rights.
Then, they will discover that the UN is the same devil with another name.
 
m00
2014-08-19 03:52:20 AM  

JSTACAT: The Phonesavahs' attorney also says an independent investigation showed authorities used faulty information to get a search warrant.

In June, Habersham County's sheriff said a confidential informant told them he had bought drugs at the home. But they didn't think any children lived there.

The SWAT team did not find the person it was looking for in the home."

------------------------------
Grenades into a home and baby's crib on a suspicion?
Sounds like a war scene in Syria, or Afghanistan.
Oh, its a war, upon americans, by a nazi regime that everyone has ignored for too long.

But, this, and much worse is commonplace in Amerika today.
Standard practice, against Geneva convention & etc

You'd think the citizens would be up in arms over the appearance of a police state in America,
or at least some serious voting.

The time will come when most Americans will welcome an invasion by the UN in the name of human rights.
Then, they will discover that the UN is the same devil with another name.



I bet you're white, rural/suburban middle class. I apologize if I got that wrong.

Because the police state in America has always existed. White people have only recently been its target. Where you were when black people were the target, Hispanics, or Japanese, or Chinese, or Irish, or Arab? You never stuck out your neck for them. Now that the government is focused on "survivalist groups/preppers" (basically, white people with guns) as the top terrorist organizations, why should everyone else stick their neck out for you? Why aren't you in Ferguson right now showing solidarity with your fellow oppressed citizens?
 
2014-08-19 03:54:03 AM  

Whole Wheat: CRtwenty: Whole Wheat: The mom who chose to house her baby at a meth lab put the baby in harm's way. Grow up!

Cause that's totally what happened.

Yeah, you're right. They were having a bible study, and the cops busted in, blew up a baby, and sprinkled meth all over the place.

I am not a police apologist by any stretch, but can we at least hate them for legitimate reasons?


I'm gonna need a citation on the meth thing. And even if true these people were staying there BECAUSE THEIR HOUSE BURNED DOWN.
 
2014-08-19 03:55:41 AM  

DarkVader: spiritplumber: If you can get disbarred for telling the truth, then the law profession has come full circle to nothing, and we can toss the whole thing in the ocean.

You can get disbarred for saying something publicly that you don't have to say that is contrary to your client's interests.

If you're an attorney, there are things that you must leave unsaid in public no matter how much you would like to say them.  You can say them to your client in private all you want.

But encouraging a lawsuit against your client is pretty much inherently against your client's interests.  And if the law prohibits the payout without a legal settlement or judgment, you have to advise your client that they cannot pay without one.

It's the nature of an adversarial legal system.

/sausage being made.


You betcha. Hell, there are clients who will fire, threaten, or sue an attorney for malpractice for telling them what the judge or opposing counsel MIGHT do and what steps they need to take to prevent it. "I thought you were on MY side?! Why are you arguing against me?!?"

But, it is not in either side's attorney's ability to determine "the truth"--that is for the finder of fact (a judge or jury) to do. The attorney only knows his client's side of the story, and probably a very slanted side at that. Believe it or not, clients lie to their own attorney, or forget to tell them important facts, and this can lead to the attorney telling them or opposing counsel things that are wrong.

Now, with all that said, there ARE kinder ways to say it than: "The question before the board was whether it is legally permitted to pay these expenses. After consideration of this question following advice of counsel, the board of commissioners has concluded that it would be in violation of the law for it to do so" which is a dick way of saying "We're really sorry but we can't pay for the expenses because we're not sure we're the ones who have to pay for it right now."

However, since any admission or acknowledgement of sorrow or sympathy to a victim--even one followed by a disclaimer of liability--is often taken by triers of fact to be an admission of fault, so those are out; and a recent court ruling held that silence can be taken as an admission of guilt or fault (Salinas v. Texas), so they have to say SOMETHING; ergo, a bland passive-voice denial that it can't do anything because reasons. Which sucks, but that's the legal world we live in now.
 
m00
2014-08-19 04:00:28 AM  

Gyrfalcon: Salinas v. Texas


Bookmarked that case. Thank for that. I have an ex-girlfriend from 10 years ago who is now a lawyer, and I always wanted to apologize for the breakup. Now I can cite that case as a reason for my email.
 
2014-08-19 04:11:22 AM  
m00
2014-08-19 03:52:20 AM

JSTACAT:Then, they will discover that the UN is the same devil with another name.

....................................
I bet you're white, rural/suburban middle class. I apologize if I got that wrong.

Because the police state in America has always existed. White people have only recently been its target. Where you were when black people were the target, Hispanics, or Japanese, or Chinese, or Irish, or Arab? You never stuck out your neck for them. Now that the government is focused on "survivalist groups/preppers" (basically, white people with guns) as the top terrorist organizations, why should everyone else stick their neck out for you? Why aren't you in Ferguson right now showing solidarity with your fellow oppressed citizens?

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partly wrong, look white, but some will dig deeper & have.

You should realise i have always worked hard, respected the law, trusted the constitution and was never violent etc.

With the internet, news from all over can be assimilated and analysed quickly, i have suddenly , in the last few years realised what was happening to others around me.

As a person who takes what happened in Germany in the 30s & 40s quite personally, i can tell you that the current situation in america is very close to nazism.

Very sad... that most americans today will have the same fate as most German citizens did when their govt went nuts;
legal step by legal step, veering off into insanity.

Exactly the way it is happening today, in amerika

Eventually the stink of evil will offend Heaven....[already has]
When G-D pulls the handle, a lot of us will go to Him & a lot more will go to Sheol.

So Be It
 
2014-08-19 04:26:29 AM  

SmittyBGKY: Warlordtrooper: So when are all the police defenders from the Brown riots going to come in here and call the kid a thug.

To be fair the Brown kid was a thug. Didn't deserve to die but a flash bang to the face would have been ok with me in his case.


They are attempting to say he was a thug but the statements the 2 women said about him and the guy in the video not being the same has been swept from CNN (which seems to be nothing but a badge bunny convention). Something about very specific socks that didn't match??  Also, the photos of Brown and the guy in the video seems to show one guy rather muscular (in the store) and, not to be insulting, but a bit flabby guy (Brown) in his photos.
Also, as some pointed out... the police (known as lying bastards) indicated he stole a packs of cigars for days, then a box of cigars... neither of which were shown or seen at the scene?? What happened to them?
And, even if he did have them, did that call for 6 shots including 2 to the back of the head?

Whole Wheat: The mom who chose to house her baby at a meth lab put the baby in harm's way. Grow up!


The fark are you talking about you idiot ass?  Been smokin` those dried out banana peels dusted with Draino again?  STOP IT!!!!!!


TheWhoppah: As a father, this story makes me feel stabby.  I have to keep reminding myself that the 95% of cops that are horrible people give the rest of them a bad name.


Not a father and the photos upset me and made me sick to my stomach. Also witnessed crooked cops in action, starting at age 10 as a pig repeatedly started to start a fight with an 11 or 12 year old kid because we were committing the heinous act of playing basketball one whole, entire block from home.  (we're all white before you ask, in a historic district with brick streets and doctors, codes and fancy-ass street lights... still had to be a bad ass picking on a kid 1/3 his size and punching him around the playground and poking him in the chest - think I have hated pigs from that point on)
 
m00
2014-08-19 04:27:02 AM  

JSTACAT: m00
2014-08-19 03:52:20 AM

JSTACAT:Then, they will discover that the UN is the same devil with another name.

....................................
I bet you're white, rural/suburban middle class. I apologize if I got that wrong.

Because the police state in America has always existed. White people have only recently been its target. Where you were when black people were the target, Hispanics, or Japanese, or Chinese, or Irish, or Arab? You never stuck out your neck for them. Now that the government is focused on "survivalist groups/preppers" (basically, white people with guns) as the top terrorist organizations, why should everyone else stick their neck out for you? Why aren't you in Ferguson right now showing solidarity with your fellow oppressed citizens?

-----------------------------------------------------------------
partly wrong, look white, but some will dig deeper & have.

You should realise i have always worked hard, respected the law, trusted the constitution and was never violent etc.

With the internet, news from all over can be assimilated and analysed quickly, i have suddenly , in the last few years realised what was happening to others around me.

As a person who takes what happened in Germany in the 30s & 40s quite personally, i can tell you that the current situation in america is very close to nazism.

Very sad... that most americans today will have the same fate as most German citizens did when their govt went nuts;
legal step by legal step, veering off into insanity.

Exactly the way it is happening today, in amerika

Eventually the stink of evil will offend Heaven....[already has]
When G-D pulls the handle, a lot of us will go to Him & a lot more will go to Sheol.

So Be It


So why aren't you protesting Ferguson? It kills me many libertarian-espousing groups are suddenly like "oh, well... we have to wait and see." But the Bundy ranch, they're there in 5 minutes. This country is only doomed if we citizens continue to allow ourselves to be divided by race.
 
2014-08-19 04:38:43 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: No rules, no accountability

/any wonder the police are becoming more hated by the day?


i hated them 20 years ago before it was cool. i guess the rest of you are just catching up

/fark you cops.
 
2014-08-19 04:52:17 AM  
Their policy seems like a good way for the county to end up getting the shaft in the long run. Rather than paying up front they expose themselves to inflated payouts brought on by lawsuits. Great deal for lawyers, though. This way they get their cut.
 
2014-08-19 05:00:11 AM  

Daedalus27: netweavr: To be fair the county is legally forbidden to pay unless compelled by a Court. This is to prevent someone scamming the county out of money (eg the Mayor's BIL stubs his toe, better pay millions).

They're not saying "we don't want to" they're saying "we cannot legally do it, please sue us so we can"

Exactly.  No one is saying that the county isn't liable for this mistake by their officers, they are saying that at this point they are prohibited from paying.  That's not to say they are not acknowledging the potential liability.  Can you imagine the corruption that may occur in some places (well more so than we already see) if they could award cash based upon incidents that haven't been litigated and had at least a judge sign off on them.  I wonder why this case hasn't been quietly settled already other than if the number the family is giving the county is some outrageous figure (not that it wouldn't be justified to start extremely high number given the asinine conduct by the officers)


The suit is going to be thrown out under Sovereign Immunity. It is very difficult to get one of these to stick in Georgia.
 
2014-08-19 05:13:21 AM  

walkingtall: Or at least we were led to believe that.
Now we find the robbery didn't take place; while we got two carefully selected incriminating looking stills from the cops showing the 'strong-arm robbery', the actual running video from the store shows him paying for the cigars and leaving. Attorneys for the store deny that the store ever called the police to report any kind of robbery, and claim the owners were taken aback when cops arrived and demanded the video from them.

Got any links for that. I cant find it. From the video I saw it certainly looks like a robbery to me.


He was going off to college so you may be right and if this is true we will know soon enough. I'm still putting my bet on thug.
 
2014-08-19 05:15:22 AM  

Daedalus27: martissimo: doglover: netweavr: doglover: netweavr: To be fair the county is legally forbidden to pay unless compelled by a Court. This is to prevent someone scamming the county out of money (eg the Mayor's BIL stubs his toe, better pay millions).

They're not saying "we don't want to" they're saying "we cannot legally do it, please sue us so we can"

No, they're saying:

The question before the board was whether it is legally permitted to pay these expenses. After consideration of this question following advice of counsel, the board of commissioners has concluded that it would be in violation of the law for it to do so.

They didn't say "Please sue us!" or "We'd love to pay but we can't by law." or any other adult thing. They took the dickhead route and gave a blanket denial with no subtext through a lawyer. Line them up on the chopping block next to the Fergusun PD.

Funny how two people can read the same thing and come to wildly different conclusions.

Which is because the county lawyer is an asshole who can't communicate. If he COULD communicate, he would be saying what you are saying in the words you are using. YOU should be the country lawyer, or at least his mouthpiece.

Instead, he said something awful which makes decent people want to pop him in the mouth.

That is not something he is allowed to do, if you hire a lawyer he can't say anything intentionally detrimental like "yeah he's guilty as sin, so sue him"

pretty sure you get disbarred for shiat like that

Agreed.  His duty is to the taxpayers of the county.  He has to act in the best interest of the county which means defending their action in what ever manner he can.  Like a defense attorney, this can be incredibly difficult and look horrible, but he is required to do so regardless of his personal feelings.  This means while he cannot say they are guilty and will put up a defense no matter how weak, at the same time you can bet he will strongly encourage a healthy settlement ASAP as you do not want th ...


So his duty is to put up a front that costs taxpayers even more money.
 
2014-08-19 05:28:47 AM  

netweavr: To be fair the county is legally forbidden to pay unless compelled by a Court. This is to prevent someone scamming the county out of money (eg the Mayor's BIL stubs his toe, better pay millions).

They're not saying "we don't want to" they're saying "we cannot legally do it, please sue us so we can"


This actually makes me worried about their representation. Why wasn't their first step to sue.
 
2014-08-19 06:01:44 AM  

JSTACAT: in amerika


"America" spelled with a K is kind of like the word "sheeple."  Everything else you're saying can be reasonable, but the moment that dumbass word shows up I stop taking you seriously.
 
2014-08-19 06:01:54 AM  
This baby is going to grow up and become a super villain.
 
2014-08-19 06:04:14 AM  

syrynxx: That toddler was clearly caught committing SWB.  He had it coming.


Asian iirc

Same as it ever was though
 
2014-08-19 06:36:03 AM  

spiritplumber: If you can get disbarred for telling the truth, then the law profession has come full circle to nothing, and we can toss the whole thing in the ocean.


Shakespeare warned us all.
 
2014-08-19 07:12:58 AM  
Collateral damage.  It's acceptable as long as it gets those drugs off the street.  Right?

/sarcasm alert.
 
2014-08-19 07:13:31 AM  

JackCanuck: Duke_leto_Atredes: syrynxx: That toddler was clearly caught committing SWB.  He had it coming.

The baby was put in harms way by the scumbag parents. The war on drugs is lost. We might as well just kill the druggies all of them and nuke the places that grow the drugs

Sooo.... Exterminatus?


*sigh*
I'll call the Inquisition
/again
 
2014-08-19 07:20:16 AM  

ReverendJasen: Whole Wheat: The mom who chose to house her baby at a meth lab put the baby in harm's way. Grow up!

Yeah, I'm with you, fark that baby!  He totally had it coming and doesn't deserve any better medical care than a bandaid.
In fact, we should blow grenades up in the faces of all irresponsible parents just to teach those stupid babies a lesson.


I never said that I wasn't sorry for the baby. The baby has a long row to hoe even after he/she heals up. Mom isn't running with very good people or making very good decIsions.

The baby has gotten all of the care it needs. People who shack up in meth labs generally do not pay their bills, so this is a non-story.

If mom had the option of paying $5/week for the next ten years to settle her bill, she wouldn't, because that is a pack of smokes or two Red Bulls.

I'm a nurse in a rural hospital, and I deal with this social strata on a daily basis. They get better care than you or me, and never pay a dime.
 
2014-08-19 07:21:28 AM  

tekmo: Daedalus27: but almost certainly someone is going to be paying for this mistake.

And it ain't going to be the government.


And therein lies the problem.

None of the people involved have any "skin in the game".  No matter what happens, none the compensation will be coming from the individuals who acted irresponsibly, it will be coming from the taxpayers.  I think that's a major part of the problem.

Look, if a person at a private company, say, a security company that is part of a corporation, did something to you to cause you personal harm, you could sue both the individual involved, and the corporation.  So both have a financial incentive not to harm you unnecessarily.  The individual moreso, because any one individual is going to have fewer resources than the corporation that employs them.

But even if the police act in a reckless manner, as it appears that they did in this case, then they should be required to fork over some of their own cash so that there is some personal pain to making a bad professional mistake.

If they truly thought it was a meth lab, then tossing a flash-bang grenade into the house where children may be present should be a criminal act:  Meth labs have been known to explode.  Even if they thought it was just a meth dealer, though, without the chemicals and apparatus to manufacture it, using a dynamic entry team along with flash-bang grenades to serve a "no-knock" warrant* is a recipe for disaster, the sort of disaster that we regularly hear about here on Fark.

We *REALLY* need to reassess the powers that we give to the police, and the tools and techniques they are allowed to use.


*Which, BTW, should almost *NEVER* be issued.  Almost.
 
2014-08-19 07:25:07 AM  
BTW, if you suspect there is a meth lab in Minnesota, you should call the "Clandestine Lab Investigation Team".  Do not pass GO, do not collect $200, just go straight for the CLIT.
 
2014-08-19 07:27:14 AM  

Lachwen: JSTACAT: in amerika

"America" spelled with a K is kind of like the word "sheeple."  Everything else you're saying can be reasonable, but the moment that dumbass word shows up I stop taking you seriously.


You should take the sheeple seriously.

imgs.xkcd.com
 
2014-08-19 07:34:40 AM  
what a disgusting act by the police how in the fark could those assholes sleep at night knowing they mutilated a small child for no reason
 
2014-08-19 07:42:21 AM  
Why did they need to send in the SWAT team to begin with? SWAT team should be something used rarely, if ever, in only the most extreme circumstances. Instead we have out of control police using them all the farking time, just to pick people up.

Why couldn't they have have simply waited until their target went to go get food or something? They do not have to constantly kick down doors. It's partly that they have all this equipment and personnel around so they're going to use it, partly because they have no one restraining them and partly because plenty of the police love the opportunity to play dress up and pretend to be some kind of movie action hero.
 
2014-08-19 07:44:03 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: No rules, no accountability

/any wonder the police are becoming more hated by the day?


NOPE!!!  The police have ruined their own reputation...
 
2014-08-19 07:51:29 AM  
What a bunch of a-holes.


I'm sure the lawsuits are being drafted as I type this.
 
MFK
2014-08-19 07:55:32 AM  

Whole Wheat: ReverendJasen: Whole Wheat: The mom who chose to house her baby at a meth lab put the baby in harm's way. Grow up!

Yeah, I'm with you, fark that baby!  He totally had it coming and doesn't deserve any better medical care than a bandaid.
In fact, we should blow grenades up in the faces of all irresponsible parents just to teach those stupid babies a lesson.

I never said that I wasn't sorry for the baby. The baby has a long row to hoe even after he/she heals up. Mom isn't running with very good people or making very good decIsions.

The baby has gotten all of the care it needs. People who shack up in meth labs generally do not pay their bills, so this is a non-story.

If mom had the option of paying $5/week for the next ten years to settle her bill, she wouldn't, because that is a pack of smokes or two Red Bulls.

I'm a nurse in a rural hospital, and I deal with this social strata on a daily basis. They get better care than you or me, and never pay a dime.



Yeah! fark the poor, amirite?
 
2014-08-19 07:55:39 AM  

TheWhoppah: As a father, this story makes me feel stabby.  I have to keep reminding myself that the 95% of cops that are horrible people give the rest of them a bad name.


cache.gawkerassets.com
Hey, there is a good apple in there somewhere.
 
2014-08-19 07:58:38 AM  

tekmo: The city isn't going to pay because it is immune from tort liability because the state almost certainly has granted itself statutory or common-law sovereign immunity, and the cops are immune because of official immunity.

The victims will sue, and even though they can prove injury and damages, the state will invoke immunity and the courts will agree to throw the case out on that basis.

So the very government which guarantees you equal protection, due process, a right to trial, and remedy for injury will deny you all of that when it is the wrongdoer.

And the perverse outcome of both immunity doctrines is to encourage state actors to perform their duties negligently and recklessly because what the fark are you going to do? Sue them so they can compound your injury by shoving your case right back up your ass?

Sovereign immunity and official immunity are despotism flatly incompatible with the Constitution and any notion of justice, and both bullshiat doctrines belong in history's dustbin.


i5.photobucket.com
 
2014-08-19 08:30:04 AM  

Whole Wheat: I'm a nurse in a rural hospital


No, no you're not.

And if you are, you're pretty farked up.

It's threads like this that make filtering out the idiots easy peasy.
 
2014-08-19 08:42:15 AM  
All of this, every last innocent casualty, every destroyed property, is all because the corrupted government has been bought out by Big Pharma and the police are the de facto "enforcers" in Big Pharma's turf war with the cottage pharma network. Every police department in the country simply has to be outfitted for gang warfare, despite there already being at least 50 automatic weapons in police hands for every suspected gang member. That number increases dramatically when you compare it to actual gang members, thanks to "cop math" and the government's overwhelming desire to lock everything down air-tight. Meanwhile, the toys they already have, their gang mentality requires that they simply have to play with, leading to drastically increased risk and needless loss of life and limb for increasing numbers of innocent civilians. And never forget, the courts are on their side. After all, their paychecks all come from the same department. So, good luck getting any justice at all, even when their actions are entirely and obviously illegal, and in direct violation of your constitutional rights. The U.S. is the only country on the planet which allows Pharmaceutical companies to market and advertise directly to the consumers, so deep in their pockets are our "representatives". Sorry to say it, but it will only get worse until enough people actually get enough guts to sacrifice everything to make it better. As JFK said, "When you make peaceful reform impossible, you make violent reform inevitable." This country used to stand for something other than "might makes right." Maybe it will again someday.

My only regret is that I probably won't live to see it.
 
2014-08-19 08:45:25 AM  
How come Sean Hannity isn't upset about this?

I mean, he was super duper upset when Cliven Bundy was struggling to get out from under the jack boot that was on his neck.

I wonder what's different about this?
 
2014-08-19 08:50:55 AM  

b2theory: netweavr: To be fair the county is legally forbidden to pay unless compelled by a Court. This is to prevent someone scamming the county out of money (eg the Mayor's BIL stubs his toe, better pay millions).

They're not saying "we don't want to" they're saying "we cannot legally do it, please sue us so we can"

This actually makes me worried about their representation. Why wasn't their first step to sue.


That was the first step in the process. Have to address the injuring party for compensation first.

Now that the refusal has happened, it can go to court.

First thing that should happen is change of venue, or at least a judge appointed from a district on the other side of the state to look at the case.

Still, the suit will go anywhere because of Sovereign Immunity. Even though everyone up and down the line was completely negligent in this process, the ability to get a settlement is close to nil.
 
2014-08-19 08:55:53 AM  

drjekel_mrhyde: How hard is for them to just sit on the house or follow the residents around to make sure that no kids stay in the house
/Seems like the police are getting stupider by the minute


SWAT teams aren't designed to just "sit around" and "watch" things. SWAT teams are hard hitting well trained fighting forces that you call in when everybody feels like suiting up and cracking some badguy heads in, or when there's brown people involved. Your silly civilian expectations of what SWAT does are overly simplistic... like that of some namby pamby child. You just sit there in your comfortable temperature and ergonomic chair while the real men do their jobs and keep you safe.
 
2014-08-19 08:56:33 AM  

Warlordtrooper: So when are all the police defenders from the Brown riots going to come in here and call the kid a thug.



He was involved in the strong-arm robbery of a sweet little white baby's binky!
He was charging straight at the officer who was in fear of getting slobbered on!
 
2014-08-19 08:57:22 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: No rules, no accountability

/any wonder the police are becoming more hated by the day?


Paying the baby's medical bills could actually LEAD to accountability.  And after that, they might not even be able to throw grenades into people's houses at 3 AM.

And then where would they be?  I mean let's be reasonable here.
 
2014-08-19 08:59:45 AM  
These bozoids should be taken out and shot, pour encourager l'outres.
 
2014-08-19 09:11:50 AM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: I hope their lawsuit bankrupts the county.


This.  And I'm done with this thread.
 
2014-08-19 09:12:48 AM  

Another Government Employee: Daedalus27: netweavr: To be fair the county is legally forbidden to pay unless compelled by a Court. This is to prevent someone scamming the county out of money (eg the Mayor's BIL stubs his toe, better pay millions).

They're not saying "we don't want to" they're saying "we cannot legally do it, please sue us so we can"

Exactly.  No one is saying that the county isn't liable for this mistake by their officers, they are saying that at this point they are prohibited from paying.  That's not to say they are not acknowledging the potential liability.  Can you imagine the corruption that may occur in some places (well more so than we already see) if they could award cash based upon incidents that haven't been litigated and had at least a judge sign off on them.  I wonder why this case hasn't been quietly settled already other than if the number the family is giving the county is some outrageous figure (not that it wouldn't be justified to start extremely high number given the asinine conduct by the officers)

The suit is going to be thrown out under Sovereign Immunity. It is very difficult to get one of these to stick in Georgia.


File a section 1983 suit in Federal court. In  Lincoln County v. Luning, 133 U.S. 529 (1890), the Court held that county and municipal governments don't always get 11th Amendment protection in suits by citizens.
 
2014-08-19 09:20:23 AM  

Warlordtrooper: So when are all the police defenders from the Brown riots going to come in here and call the kid a thug.


How much theft has the baby committed? That might make a difference.
 
2014-08-19 09:21:09 AM  

bubo_sibiricus: Whole Wheat: I'm a nurse in a rural hospital

No, no you're not.

And if you are, you're pretty farked up.

It's threads like this that make filtering out the idiots easy peasy.


Yes, I am. What does it matter if I'm not?

The baby will be (is being) treated for the injuries caused.

The mom just throws away the bills and they go away. I know, because I am a RN at a hospital in a rural area of Ohio with a horrible drug problem.

The police were responding to a warrant for a DRUG DEALER. It wasn't for parking violations.

The mom shouldn't have had the baby there. She's an unfit mother and should answer for the baby's injuries.
 
2014-08-19 09:31:09 AM  

Daedalus27: netweavr: To be fair the county is legally forbidden to pay unless compelled by a Court. This is to prevent someone scamming the county out of money (eg the Mayor's BIL stubs his toe, better pay millions).

They're not saying "we don't want to" they're saying "we cannot legally do it, please sue us so we can"

Exactly.  No one is saying that the county isn't liable for this mistake by their officers, they are saying that at this point they are prohibited from paying.  That's not to say they are not acknowledging the potential liability.  Can you imagine the corruption that may occur in some places (well more so than we already see) if they could award cash based upon incidents that haven't been litigated and had at least a judge sign off on them.  I wonder why this case hasn't been quietly settled already other than if the number the family is giving the county is some outrageous figure (not that it wouldn't be justified to start extremely high number given the asinine conduct by the officers)


I disagree.  All that has to be done in my state and many others is to file a notice of claim that specifies exactly why the county (or other governmental body) owes the claimant money, and how much money the claimant alleges the government owes with  supporting evidence presented by affidavit.  In fact, state law requires this step before any suit can be brought against the state or governmental subdivision.  That spares the government the costs of a trial and allows citizens to handle the case themselves in simple matters where liability is obvious and when it isn't then suit can be filed. The government may choose to pay the claim in full, or pay part of the claim or deny it completely.  All of these claims are public records and the actions taken by government are in open hearings subject to public scrutiny.  The same public scrutiny that is given to handing out public contracts is given to claims against the government so it's no more subject to abuse than any other governmental activity.
 
2014-08-19 09:35:16 AM  

lack of warmth: ecmoRandomNumbers: I hope their lawsuit bankrupts the county.

This.  And I'm done with this thread.


No.   Because the taxpayers will end up footing the bill.

The lawsuits should bankrupt the cops who actually were on that raid.  But that won't happen.
 
2014-08-19 09:36:27 AM  
Do you have any idea how much property they will need to confiscate to pay those bills? No persons home or family will be safe while they are paying off those greedy doctors.
 
2014-08-19 09:44:59 AM  

ChaosStar: JackCanuck: Duke_leto_Atredes: syrynxx: That toddler was clearly caught committing SWB.  He had it coming.

The baby was put in harms way by the scumbag parents. The war on drugs is lost. We might as well just kill the druggies all of them and nuke the places that grow the drugs

Sooo.... Exterminatus?

*sigh*
I'll call the Inquisition
/again


The Inquisition, what a show.
 
2014-08-19 09:47:51 AM  
Fine. Just toss a flashbang at the children of the cops involved and we'll call it a day.
 
2014-08-19 09:48:21 AM  
Much of this hate on all cops is tied to the militias and other gun nuts.

Posse Commitatus prevents the military from American soil. (Except it doesn't).

If they can get the guns and armor away from the cops, the militias and other gun nuts will feel free to water the tree of liberty.

Eric the Patriotic Sniper is one of the reasons why cops use armor and other heavy equipment.

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These guys are two other reasons why cops use heavy equipment (they fought cops with 5 pipe bombs and a pressure cooker bomb)

i2.cdn.turner.com

For the people who hate all cops, how do you like your new friends?
 
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