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(Metro)   Researchers conclude the quality of your child's drawings is linked to their intelligence ten years later. They also say that you, as a parent, are in no position to judge the quality of your child's drawings   (metro.co.uk) divider line 42
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2014-08-19 12:49:10 AM  
 
2014-08-19 02:03:52 AM  
I'd like to see the rubric that they based these "drawing scores" on, and how many of these psychologists are actual artists. It sounds like the whole methodology might be flawed at a fundamental level.

This study smells of bullshiat that needed to be published so somebody could get tenure.
 
2014-08-19 03:22:45 AM  

phlegmmo: obligatory


I'd never seen that before. Some of those are hilarious. I can imagine the only thing funnier would be seeing parents try to defend the quality of the drawings.
 
2014-08-19 03:26:41 AM  

phlegmmo: obligatory


Done in one, someone get the lights on your way out.
 
2014-08-19 03:41:50 AM  

phlegmmo: obligatory


Love this one from the update img.fark.net
 
2014-08-19 04:49:02 AM  
Obligatory: researchers are full of sh*t. My older brother is the artist, has been drawing (well) since his childhood, and is dumb as dirt, and a petty thief. (He's also less attractive than me, and he knows it and I believe his childish jealousy is the source of all his scheming.) Twice he had to attend summer school in high school because of his failing grades, while all my tracks were AP and I graduated near the top of my class without even putting any effort into studying. (Which is why college was quite a surprise.)

I myself never took up drawing because I'd rather be reading or otherwise educating myself instead of drawing cutesy pictures of robot mechs or cartoon characters.

I was also accepted to all 3 colleges to which I applied, while he didn't even apply to college.

/maddux is 15 years old, guys; get off his nuts; 'OMG SUM DUDE MADE FUNNEH POSTS 15 YAERS AGO ON TEH INTERNETS!!!1'
 
2014-08-19 06:24:43 AM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: I'd like to see the rubric that they based these "drawing scores" on, and how many of these psychologists are actual artists. It sounds like the whole methodology might be flawed at a fundamental level.

This study smells of bullshiat that needed to be published so somebody could get tenure.


Could not have said it better.
 
2014-08-19 06:28:02 AM  
www.scaryforkids.com
 
2014-08-19 06:32:20 AM  

phillydrifter: /maddux is 15 years old, guys; get off his nuts; 'OMG SUM DUDE MADE FUNNEH POSTS 15 YAERS AGO ON TEH INTERNETS!!!1'


You should send him an email
 
2014-08-19 06:36:56 AM  
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2014-08-19 06:37:56 AM  

MartinD-35: ecmoRandomNumbers: I'd like to see the rubric that they based these "drawing scores" on, and how many of these psychologists are actual artists. It sounds like the whole methodology might be flawed at a fundamental level.

This study smells of bullshiat that needed to be published so somebody could get tenure.

Could not have said it better.


FTA: "With the help of parents, psychologists got 15,504 children aged four to take part in a draw-a-child test, rating each picture with a score of zero to 12."

and

FTA: "Drawings were judged on the presence and correct quantity of features such as the head, eyes, nose, mouth, ears, hair, body and arms. A point was awarded for each correctly presented feature."

Note: If the article is accurate, they didn't use the full version of the test, which, per Wikipedia, uses 64 different criteria and requires the child to draw a man, a woman and a child.

Goodenough-Harris Draw-a-Person test
 
2014-08-19 07:08:08 AM  

phillydrifter: /maddux is 15 years old, guys; get off his nuts; 'OMG SUM DUDE MADE FUNNEH POSTS 15 YAERS AGO ON TEH INTERNETS!!!1'


If I saw a 15 year old film for the first time and laughed would you be on hand to tell me to stop fellating the director?

Go fellate yourself, foolass.
 
2014-08-19 07:11:45 AM  
I'll join the chorus of people calling bullshiat. Like many other Farkers, I'm a lousy artist yet smart enough to cruise through college.
 
2014-08-19 07:12:54 AM  
I'm Picasso!

snl.jt.org
 
2014-08-19 07:33:46 AM  
you, as a parent

What did you just call me?
 
2014-08-19 07:35:50 AM  
41.media.tumblr.com
 
2014-08-19 07:55:08 AM  
It might suggest better connections/aptitude between memory, visual acuity, and dexterity, but overall intelligence sounds like a leap. Also drawing is a skill, kids that draw more are likely better at it. It may suggest that parents that emphasize art and learning develop kids that test higher in intelligence tests later on, which would surprise no one.

Thus I don't believe these researchers have ground to stand on that isn't circumstantial.
 
2014-08-19 08:26:28 AM  
After giving her presentation, the lecturer displayed her daughter's recent drawings and remarked on how intelligent she will be.
 
2014-08-19 08:35:32 AM  
toddanthonydirect.typepad.com
 
2014-08-19 08:35:46 AM  

phillydrifter: Obligatory: researchers are full of sh*t. My older brother is the artist, has been drawing (well) since his childhood, and is dumb as dirt, and a petty thief. (He's also less attractive than me, and he knows it and I believe his childish jealousy is the source of all his scheming.) Twice he had to attend summer school in high school because of his failing grades, while all my tracks were AP and I graduated near the top of my class without even putting any effort into studying. (Which is why college was quite a surprise.)

I myself never took up drawing because I'd rather be reading or otherwise educating myself instead of drawing cutesy pictures of robot mechs or cartoon characters.

I was also accepted to all 3 colleges to which I applied, while he didn't even apply to college.

/maddux is 15 years old, guys; get off his nuts; 'OMG SUM DUDE MADE FUNNEH POSTS 15 YAERS AGO ON TEH INTERNETS!!!1'


You have issues.
 
2014-08-19 08:36:02 AM  
My little paste-eater won't even draw. My god he's a disappointment.
 
2014-08-19 08:59:49 AM  
www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net
 
2014-08-19 09:03:34 AM  
So if I want my child to produce quality drawings, I need to make them smart ten years in the future?

/gonna have to borrow the presidential time machine
 
2014-08-19 09:10:29 AM  

phillydrifter: Obligatory: researchers are full of sh*t. My older brother is the artist, has been drawing (well) since his childhood, and is dumb as dirt, and a petty thief. (He's also less attractive than me, and he knows it and I believe his childish jealousy is the source of all his scheming.) Twice he had to attend summer school in high school because of his failing grades, while all my tracks were AP and I graduated near the top of my class without even putting any effort into studying. (Which is why college was quite a surprise.)

I myself never took up drawing because I'd rather be reading or otherwise educating myself instead of drawing cutesy pictures of robot mechs or cartoon characters.

I was also accepted to all 3 colleges to which I applied, while he didn't even apply to college.

/maddux is 15 years old, guys; get off his nuts; 'OMG SUM DUDE MADE FUNNEH POSTS 15 YAERS AGO ON TEH INTERNETS!!!1'


I really hope this is supposed to be funny because if it isn't damn are you going have an interesting time at whichever college you choose.
 
2014-08-19 09:16:21 AM  
/CSB

I recently came home to my kid waving a picture he had just drawn and was all excited to show me it.

Wow nice picture bud.  Now who is that.

That is me

And her?

Baby sister

And who is that?

That is mommy

And who is that?

That is the guy that comes over and yells with mommy while you are at work.  He is a nice guy.

/end csb
 
2014-08-19 09:25:02 AM  

Saiga410: /CSB

I recently came home to my kid waving a picture he had just drawn and was all excited to show me it.

Wow nice picture bud.  Now who is that.

That is me

And her?

Baby sister

And who is that?

That is mommy

And who is that?

That is the guy that comes over and yells with mommy while you are at work.  He is a nice guy.

/end csb


I heard of joke like that before. Funny if it's a joke. F*cked up if not. Good kid either way.
 
2014-08-19 09:26:38 AM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: I'd like to see the rubric that they based these "drawing scores" on, and how many of these psychologists are actual artists. It sounds like the whole methodology might be flawed at a fundamental level.

This study smells of bullshiat that needed to be published so somebody could get tenure.


If you would like to know, wouldn't reading the article be a good place to start?

If you did, then I know how many correct number of limbs your childdrawings had btw.
 
2014-08-19 09:28:25 AM  

MayoSlather: It might suggest better connections/aptitude between memory, visual acuity, and dexterity, but overall intelligence sounds like a leap. Also drawing is a skill, kids that draw more are likely better at it. It may suggest that parents that emphasize art and learning develop kids that test higher in intelligence tests later on, which would surprise no one.

Thus I don't believe these researchers have ground to stand on that isn't circumstantial.


Or, you could have read the article.
 
2014-08-19 09:45:02 AM  
Eh, nobody read the article.

It's not about quality of artwork, but about knowing that a child has 2 arms and 2 legs. I am shocked that dumb kids tend to stay dumb.
 
2014-08-19 10:08:34 AM  
My daughter can't draw. Terrible. Worst in her class. She starts second grade soon. 4 year-olds draw better than she does. For whatever it's worth, she isn't ever the best in her class at everything else, but she's pretty reliably top 3.
 
2014-08-19 10:30:14 AM  
Mine just mostly refuses to draw...I'm going to be trying to start teaching him to write soon.  This is going to be a nightmare.

/smart kid, very curious, loves to read
//doesn't follow directions, EVER
///and so very lazy
 
2014-08-19 10:32:57 AM  
Yeah, but that still doesn't explain why I draw eyes. And not really even different eyes; just the same idealized female eye. I got straight A's in school, but you'd never know it looking it at my notebook.

/*chicken scratch only readable by me*
EYES
/*more chicken scratch*
EYES EVERYWHERE
 
2014-08-19 10:39:29 AM  

Kali-Ma: Mine just mostly refuses to draw...I'm going to be trying to start teaching him to write soon.  This is going to be a nightmare.

/smart kid, very curious, loves to read
//doesn't follow directions, EVER
///and so very lazy


Here's one neat trick. Have a bunch of paper and crayons/markers on the table in the room where your kid plays. You and other adults or older kids start drawing and talking like you're totally into it. Then start drawing and talking about stuff that's in his/her favourite books to read. Most kids can't resist this technique.
 
2014-08-19 10:42:23 AM  

czetie: I'll join the chorus of people calling bullshiat. Like many other Farkers, I'm a lousy artist yet smart enough to cruise through college.


I am a terrible artist, and while I didn't cruise through college, it wasn't that hard. Not until I got to the hard math classes.

Peki: Yeah, but that still doesn't explain why I draw eyes. And not really even different eyes; just the same idealized female eye. I got straight A's in school, but you'd never know it looking it at my notebook.
/*chicken scratch only readable by me*
EYES
/*more chicken scratch*
EYES EVERYWHERE


Smiley faces and flowers. And random geometric shapes. THIS MEANS SOMETHING.
 
2014-08-19 11:13:51 AM  

Decillion: Kali-Ma: Mine just mostly refuses to draw...I'm going to be trying to start teaching him to write soon.  This is going to be a nightmare.

/smart kid, very curious, loves to read
//doesn't follow directions, EVER
///and so very lazy

Here's one neat trick. Have a bunch of paper and crayons/markers on the table in the room where your kid plays. You and other adults or older kids start drawing and talking like you're totally into it. Then start drawing and talking about stuff that's in his/her favourite books to read. Most kids can't resist this technique.


That fact that it's just me and him in the house and no one else is probably part of the issue with a lot of things.  No family in the area, few friends (and they mostly don't have kids), he's too young to invite friends over without it being a "playdate" and I am apparently off-putting to the sancti-mommies, etc, etc.  I'm also incredibly bad at faking enthusiasm, as my husband will attest to on the rare occasion he's around.
 
2014-08-19 12:10:29 PM  
TFA is nearly identical to the press release of the journal of Psychological Science. There's not enough information to decide if there's anything there. With the sample size of >15,000, the "modest association" could be lower than an R^2 of 1% but would still result the magic p-value required for publication.
 
2014-08-19 01:00:42 PM  

drjekel_mrhyde: phlegmmo: obligatory

Love this one from the update [img.fark.net image 410x672]


Is that... I mean is that his... in his mouth? Because those look like his... I guess those could be his naked butt but that wouldn't be much better it would just complicate the topology of...

Also why does one of his arms look like another deformed dick attached to his shoulder?
 
2014-08-19 05:14:37 PM  

spawn73: MayoSlather: It might suggest better connections/aptitude between memory, visual acuity, and dexterity, but overall intelligence sounds like a leap. Also drawing is a skill, kids that draw more are likely better at it. It may suggest that parents that emphasize art and learning develop kids that test higher in intelligence tests later on, which would surprise no one.

Thus I don't believe these researchers have ground to stand on that isn't circumstantial.

Or, you could have read the article.


You're a dick.
 
2014-08-19 05:31:26 PM  

MayoSlather: spawn73: MayoSlather: It might suggest better connections/aptitude between memory, visual acuity, and dexterity, but overall intelligence sounds like a leap. Also drawing is a skill, kids that draw more are likely better at it. It may suggest that parents that emphasize art and learning develop kids that test higher in intelligence tests later on, which would surprise no one.

Thus I don't believe these researchers have ground to stand on that isn't circumstantial.

Or, you could have read the article.

You're a dick.


If you draw me as such, you'll score low. Attach it to the torso, between the legs, and you're the next Einstein.
 
2014-08-19 06:20:05 PM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: This study smells of bullshiat that needed to be published so somebody could get tenure.


Dude, that's how science works. That computer you're using is stuffed to the gills with bullshiat someone needed to publish to get a doctorate or tenure. Ever hear of "publish or perish"?

Ten years later, a fraction of the bullshiat has been independently confirmed and becomes "real science", and the rest gets forgotten.

Ten more years, and some bright team of engineers figures out a way to make the abstract bullshiat from the original article do something useful and cost-effective, and we end up with color LCD screens.

Psychology and related fields inevitably have below average "bullshiat to real science" ratios, because they aren't allowed to do real experiments on real people anymore. But they still make real progress, when looked at over an appropriate span of time.
 
2014-08-20 07:29:26 AM  
I pretty much gave up on coloring at when I was four when I got yelled at for drawing the sky purple, and they thought I was 'possesed by Satan'...

Um, I'm colorblind...

/8 crayon boxes are great, but are 'oversized'
//16 crayon boxes have some duplicates...
///64 different colors? Yeah, right...
 
2014-08-20 11:53:19 AM  
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