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(The Atlantic)   If you've suspected that the most annoying humans on the planet are unintelligent, unanalytical, unreflective, uninquisitive, unimaginative, uncreative, unsophisticated extroverts, here's your scientific proof   (theatlantic.com ) divider line
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2014-08-18 04:25:50 PM  
FTA "The hidden socio-economic variable is clear: Having money allows you to go rock-climbing, give to charity, and it makes you happier, too."

Congratulations.
 
2014-08-18 05:13:28 PM  
Apparently the overlap between introverts and low-openness people is the word "naman".
 
2014-08-18 05:14:02 PM  

InterruptingQuirk: FTA "The hidden socio-economic variable is clear: Having money allows you to go rock-climbing, give to charity, and it makes you happier, too."

Congratulations.


That's hidden????
 
2014-08-18 05:22:44 PM  
"My girlfriend didn't like me calling her 'My girlfriend'.  She says it implies she's property.  So I started calling her 'The girlfriend'.  She didn't like that either, felt like I was treating her like a problem.  So I started calling her 'A girlfriend' and now she's someone else's problem.

Could probably cut the first part.
 
2014-08-18 05:23:09 PM  
Oh, so "sales people"?  Yeah, think I already knew that.
 
2014-08-18 05:26:00 PM  
Welcome to the teenage mind:

cdn.theatlantic.com
 
2014-08-18 05:34:38 PM  

azxj: Oh, so "sales people"?  Yeah, think I already knew that.


You shut your who're mouth.

/no that's not a typo
//the new rules make me nervous
 
2014-08-18 05:37:46 PM  
I think this means 'members of Congress'.
 
2014-08-18 05:38:16 PM  

Ambitwistor: Welcome to the teenage mind: [cdn.theatlantic.com image 570x339]


Look at one of the .pdfs that tfa links to and pretty much every age group needs a slapping. Worst of all is 19-22yo males, the bottom wordcloud in this image:

img.fark.net
 
2014-08-18 05:59:16 PM  

phaseolus: Ambitwistor: Welcome to the teenage mind: [cdn.theatlantic.com image 570x339]

Look at one of the .pdfs that tfa links to and pretty much every age group needs a slapping. Worst of all is 19-22yo males, the bottom wordcloud in this image:

[img.fark.net image 360x394]


Looks like a transcript of Xbox Live.

/I'm betting "duty" was only mentioned in that context
 
2014-08-18 06:03:09 PM  

Ambitwistor: Welcome to the teenage mind:

[cdn.theatlantic.com image 570x339]


Those must be Filipino teenagers
walang
araw
salamat
hirap
 
2014-08-18 06:10:21 PM  

PackofJokers: phaseolus: Ambitwistor: Welcome to the teenage mind: [cdn.theatlantic.com image 570x339]

Look at one of the .pdfs that tfa links to and pretty much every age group needs a slapping. Worst of all is 19-22yo males, the bottom wordcloud in this image:

[img.fark.net image 360x394]

Looks like a transcript of Xbox Live.

/I'm betting "duty" was only mentioned in that context


Older males are pretty much a transcript of Fox News:

img.fark.net
 
2014-08-18 06:17:39 PM  

tinyarena: Ambitwistor: Welcome to the teenage mind:

[cdn.theatlantic.com image 570x339]

Those must be Filipino teenagers
walang
araw
salamat
hirap


Why are people from the Philippines called Filipinos and not Philippinos?
 
2014-08-18 06:19:29 PM  
Extrovert?

I see what you did there subby.
 
2014-08-18 06:24:49 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: tinyarena: Ambitwistor: Welcome to the teenage mind:

[cdn.theatlantic.com image 570x339]

Those must be Filipino teenagers
walang
araw
salamat
hirap

Why are people from the Philippines called Filipinos and not Philippinos?


Filipino = male from the Philippine Islands
Filipina = female from the Philippine Islands
 
2014-08-18 06:30:20 PM  
oh, you asked WHY
I have no idea
 
2014-08-18 06:30:45 PM  
So teabaggers?
 
2014-08-18 06:34:05 PM  

tinyarena: TuteTibiImperes: tinyarena: Ambitwistor: Welcome to the teenage mind:

[cdn.theatlantic.com image 570x339]

Those must be Filipino teenagers
walang
araw
salamat
hirap

Why are people from the Philippines called Filipinos and not Philippinos?

Filipino = male from the Philippine Islands
Filipina = female from the Philippine Islands


Yeah, but why the F instead of the Ph?  It would like calling people from Mexico Meksicans or people from Hawaii Hawahyans.  It's a seemingly uneccessary spelling change.
 
2014-08-18 06:37:30 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: Yeah, but why the F instead of the Ph? It would like calling people from Mexico Meksicans or people from Hawaii Hawahyans. It's a seemingly uneccessary spelling change.


Canadians are not from Canadia, either.
 
2014-08-18 06:48:26 PM  
Or consider the plight of die Deutsche. Or Germans as you might know them. Doesn't seems so bad changing the spelling of a single phoneme does it.
 
2014-08-18 06:55:11 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: tinyarena: TuteTibiImperes: tinyarena: Ambitwistor: Welcome to the teenage mind:

[cdn.theatlantic.com image 570x339]

Those must be Filipino teenagers
walang
araw
salamat
hirap

Why are people from the Philippines called Filipinos and not Philippinos?

Filipino = male from the Philippine Islands
Filipina = female from the Philippine Islands

Yeah, but why the F instead of the Ph?  It would like calling people from Mexico Meksicans or people from Hawaii Hawahyans.  It's a seemingly uneccessary spelling change.


Well, the Philippines were a Spanish colony at one point, named after King Phillip of Spain (Las Islas Filipinas). That lasted for a century or two, and then the Americans took over after the Spanish-American War and brought English with them. We don't spell Phillip with an "F" so the islands got their name updated, but the people....Philippinos looks Greek. So they just used the local spelling for the natives: "Filipino." That's really what it comes down to...because English speakers thought "Philippinos" looked off.

/Source
 
2014-08-18 06:58:53 PM  
 
2014-08-18 07:12:17 PM  
Kaya. Hehe.

Good going introverts.

/got to have...
 
2014-08-18 07:14:13 PM  

tinyarena: Ambitwistor: Welcome to the teenage mind:

[cdn.theatlantic.com image 570x339]

Those must be Filipino teenagers
walang
araw
salamat
hirap


and the three of biggest words on the introvert list

Anime Manga Pokémon?

I think maybe they should have stratified by nationality.  Terms for extroverts seem a little more universal across cultures.
 
2014-08-18 07:16:16 PM  

meat0918: InterruptingQuirk: FTA "The hidden socio-economic variable is clear: Having money allows you to go rock-climbing, give to charity, and it makes you happier, too."

Congratulations.

That's hidden????


i60.photobucket.com

On it.


Cubicle Jockey: TuteTibiImperes: Yeah, but why the F instead of the Ph? It would like calling people from Mexico Meksicans or people from Hawaii Hawahyans. It's a seemingly uneccessary spelling change.

Canadians are not from Canadia, either.


Don't get me started on the Dutch/Holland/Netherlands thing.
 
2014-08-18 07:18:26 PM  

phaseolus: Ambitwistor: Welcome to the teenage mind: [cdn.theatlantic.com image 570x339]

Look at one of the .pdfs that tfa links to and pretty much every age group needs a slapping. Worst of all is 19-22yo males, the bottom wordcloud in this image:

[img.fark.net image 360x394]


My eye went right to "fate" in the middle of all those expletives on that bottom cloud.

???
 
2014-08-18 07:25:40 PM  

NorthernMT: Or consider the plight of die Deutsche. Or Germans as you might know them. Doesn't seems so bad changing the spelling of a single phoneme does it.


Bangkok / Krung Tep, Japan / Nippon, Taiwan / Republic of China, Australia / Wozipnoghallar, etc
 
2014-08-18 07:34:29 PM  
FTA: The so-called "World Well-Being Project"
Well that's not ominous-sounding or anything.

/it was the PAX
 
2014-08-18 07:41:15 PM  

Earthworm Jim Jones: azxj: Oh, so "sales people"?  Yeah, think I already knew that.

You shut your who're mouth.

/no that's not a typo
//the new rules make me nervous


You know the mods aren't just relying on word filters, right? They're actually thread readers?
 
2014-08-18 07:42:40 PM  

child_god: The actual paper has more information.  (warning pdf)


It's also linked in the article which is surprising since it appears to be a pre-publication proof of the manuscript. Copyright violation much The Atlantic?

/jk, I really don't care
 
2014-08-18 07:42:53 PM  

brimed03: FTA: The so-called "World Well-Being Project"
Well that's not ominous-sounding or anything.

/it was the PAX


You want Reavers? Cuz that's how you get Reavers.
 
2014-08-18 07:43:08 PM  
Funny, I click the link and it just takes me to reddit's homepage. Am I missing something?
 
2014-08-18 07:43:57 PM  

fusillade762: brimed03: FTA: The so-called "World Well-Being Project"
Well that's not ominous-sounding or anything.

/it was the PAX

You want Reavers? Cuz that's how you get Reavers.


Vera laughs at your reavers.

/shiny
 
2014-08-18 07:52:01 PM  

PackofJokers: TuteTibiImperes: tinyarena: TuteTibiImperes: tinyarena: Ambitwistor: Welcome to the teenage mind:

[cdn.theatlantic.com image 570x339]

Those must be Filipino teenagers
walang
araw
salamat
hirap

Why are people from the Philippines called Filipinos and not Philippinos?

Filipino = male from the Philippine Islands
Filipina = female from the Philippine Islands

Yeah, but why the F instead of the Ph?  It would like calling people from Mexico Meksicans or people from Hawaii Hawahyans.  It's a seemingly uneccessary spelling change.

Well, the Philippines were a Spanish colony at one point, named after King Phillip of Spain (Las Islas Filipinas). That lasted for a century or two, and then the Americans took over after the Spanish-American War and brought English with them. We don't spell Phillip with an "F" so the islands got their name updated, but the people....Philippinos looks Greek. So they just used the local spelling for the natives: "Filipino." That's really what it comes down to...because English speakers thought "Philippinos" looked off.

/Source


Very interesting, thanks for that link!
 
2014-08-18 07:55:04 PM  

Pumpernickel bread: tinyarena: Ambitwistor: Welcome to the teenage mind:

[cdn.theatlantic.com image 570x339]

Those must be Filipino teenagers
walang
araw
salamat
hirap

and the three of biggest words on the introvert list

Anime Manga Pokémon?

I think maybe they should have stratified by nationality.  Terms for extroverts seem a little more universal across cultures.


I hope they're factoring in that they have a very skewed sample. While most "introverts on Facebook" might be using anime Manga pokémon, that isn't at all the same as "most introverts."
 
2014-08-18 07:56:49 PM  

fusillade762: brimed03: FTA: The so-called "World Well-Being Project"
Well that's not ominous-sounding or anything.

/it was the PAX

You want Reavers? Cuz that's how you get Reavers.


Nice synergy.

Archer: The Browncoat Years.
 
2014-08-18 08:12:25 PM  
OK, so I know this has been discussed ITT but I want to expand and counter the "well duh" conclusion tfa offers.

FTA: Happy communities, they found, talk about exercise-fitness, Zumba, and the gym-while the sadder ones felt "bored" or "tired." The more upbeat locales were also more likely to donate money and volunteer, but also to go to meetings. The hidden socio-economic variable is clear: Having money allows you to go rock-climbing, give to charity, and it makes you happier, too.

Sorry, what? I missed the clear-cut link between Zumba and rolling in the Benjamins. Yes, absolutely: money is a factor in happiness. But every summer in Baltimore there are free or low-cost outdoor exercise classes, and there are plenty of places to volunteer one's time. You don't have to have a lot of money to do the things the study associates with happy communities; nor does having money mean that one is engaging in those activities. The only one linked to money is "donating money." But the study does not indicate a correlation between happiness and *amount* of money given. As illustrated in the story of The Widow's Mite, the poor can donate too; and in that story, I'd bet the widow was made happier by her donation than the rich guy was made by his.

Anyway, my point is simply that TFA's writer inserted a conclusion that, while probably true as a standalone statement, is not required or even implied by the sentences preceding it. Maybe it's supported by other evidence in the actual study, but then he should have included that.

It's just a dangerous conclusion to suggest precisely because so many people already believe that money brings happiness and you can't be happy without it. And a lot of people end up very, very unhappy chasing that myth. Absolutely, money can help! But the presence or absence of it is not an inherent guarantee either way.
 
2014-08-18 08:16:51 PM  
meh.
 
2014-08-18 08:38:52 PM  

brimed03: OK, so I know this has been discussed ITT but I want to expand and counter the "well duh" conclusion tfa offers.

FTA: Happy communities, they found, talk about exercise-fitness, Zumba, and the gym-while the sadder ones felt "bored" or "tired." The more upbeat locales were also more likely to donate money and volunteer, but also to go to meetings. The hidden socio-economic variable is clear: Having money allows you to go rock-climbing, give to charity, and it makes you happier, too.

Sorry, what? I missed the clear-cut link between Zumba and rolling in the Benjamins. Yes, absolutely: money is a factor in happiness. But every summer in Baltimore there are free or low-cost outdoor exercise classes, and there are plenty of places to volunteer one's time. You don't have to have a lot of money to do the things the study associates with happy communities; nor does having money mean that one is engaging in those activities. The only one linked to money is "donating money." But the study does not indicate a correlation between happiness and *amount* of money given. As illustrated in the story of The Widow's Mite, the poor can donate too; and in that story, I'd bet the widow was made happier by her donation than the rich guy was made by his.

Anyway, my point is simply that TFA's writer inserted a conclusion that, while probably true as a standalone statement, is not required or even implied by the sentences preceding it. Maybe it's supported by other evidence in the actual study, but then he should have included that.

It's just a dangerous conclusion to suggest precisely because so many people already believe that money brings happiness and you can't be happy without it. And a lot of people end up very, very unhappy chasing that myth. Absolutely, money can help! But the presence or absence of it is not an inherent guarantee either way.


The only thing I know about Zumba is that it's popular with New England prostitutes.
 
2014-08-18 09:23:28 PM  
When I think of introverts, I definitely think of social apps and social networking.
 
2014-08-18 10:25:44 PM  

Otfsentet: When I think of introverts, I definitely think of social apps and social networking.


Makes sense to me. The study was based off an online personality quiz, and the internet has no shortage of "Which anime/manga/pokemon character are you?" quizzes.

People like answering questions about themselves; an extrovert might want to answer them whilst "chillin" at a "party" on the "beach" with her "besties." Introverts might prefer an internet forum where they can close out their browser when they've had enough. It's all mingling in one form or another.
 
2014-08-18 10:28:54 PM  

brimed03: Earthworm Jim Jones: azxj: Oh, so "sales people"?  Yeah, think I already knew that.

You shut your who're mouth.

/no that's not a typo
//the new rules make me nervous

You know the mods aren't just relying on word filters, right? They're actually thread readers?


Wait, there are new rules?  I won't be able to use my full range of expression?!
 
2014-08-18 10:38:25 PM  

PackofJokers: TuteTibiImperes: tinyarena: TuteTibiImperes: tinyarena: Ambitwistor: Welcome to the teenage mind:

[cdn.theatlantic.com image 570x339]

Those must be Filipino teenagers
walang
araw
salamat
hirap

Why are people from the Philippines called Filipinos and not Philippinos?

Filipino = male from the Philippine Islands
Filipina = female from the Philippine Islands

Yeah, but why the F instead of the Ph?  It would like calling people from Mexico Meksicans or people from Hawaii Hawahyans.  It's a seemingly uneccessary spelling change.

Well, the Philippines were a Spanish colony at one point, named after King Phillip of Spain (Las Islas Filipinas). That lasted for a century or two, and then the Americans took over after the Spanish-American War and brought English with them. We don't spell Phillip with an "F" so the islands got their name updated, but the people....Philippinos looks Greek. So they just used the local spelling for the natives: "Filipino." That's really what it comes down to...because English speakers thought "Philippinos" looked off.

/Source


OK, then why do the people pronounce it "Pilipino"?

/So confused
 
2014-08-18 10:41:57 PM  

azxj: Oh, so "sales people"?  Yeah, think I already knew that.


You forgot Marketing people.
 
2014-08-18 11:04:47 PM  
OK, I googled "Zumba" and did some reading but I'm still not sure what the fark a "Zumba" is.
 
2014-08-19 08:53:17 AM  

brimed03: Earthworm Jim Jones: azxj: Oh, so "sales people"?  Yeah, think I already knew that.

You shut your who're mouth.

/no that's not a typo
//the new rules make me nervous

You know the mods aren't just relying on word filters, right? They're actually thread readers?


We need to protect the helpless womens. Trigger word alerts need to be implemented. Men need sensitivity training. Gender studies need to prove they aren't worthless.
 
2014-08-19 08:58:02 AM  
Subby just described my Brother-in-Law and Sister-in-Law.
Which is why we stay in on Thanksgiving.

DRTFA
 
2014-08-20 01:17:52 AM  

MyRandomName: brimed03: Earthworm Jim Jones: azxj: Oh, so "sales people"?  Yeah, think I already knew that.

You shut your who're mouth.

/no that's not a typo
//the new rules make me nervous

You know the mods aren't just relying on word filters, right? They're actually thread readers?

We need to protect the helpless womens. Trigger word alerts need to be implemented. Men need sensitivity training. Gender studies need to prove they aren't worthless.


Maybe if men were subject to the same level of denigration that women are routinely subjected to online all over the internets, it wouldn't be so difficult to understand why many women just say 'to hell with it' and don't participate.  The rules, as described, don't seem particularly onerous to me, and seem to specify that it is more the MRA style rants (e.g. 'Women are all whores!') characteristic of misogynists that will be deleted.  The mods don't want FARK to be a haven for anyone like the Santa Barbara murderer, is my guess, and I support the new policy.

I guess we'll see how it goes, but I'm hopeful that FARK will be a more welcoming place for women and the men who care about women.
 
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