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6428 clicks; posted to Geek » on 18 Aug 2014 at 4:29 PM (1 year ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



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2014-08-18 02:58:18 PM  
FTFA: "News Feed is made by you," Marra said. "It tries to show the most interesting things possible for you, it's a very personalized system," he said, adding, "We try to let users take control."

Well.... I'm not sure that's exactly what "taking control" really means. Here was my situation:

Friend 1: IM'd nearly every day. Every time I saw him post, I either liked or commented. He is my pal.

Friend 2: English teacher from HS. Nice lady, but we never talk. She has a very different life that I can't really relate to. I'm sure when we became friends, I visited her page to check up on her daughter, who is about my age. That was years ago.

For months (within the past year), I got every single post from Friend 2. IF I saw Friend 1 in my feed, it was hours old. Most of his posts never made it. So I visited his page when we'd IM & I'd figure out that I'd missed something. I "un-followed" Friend 2, but I somehow still see every single thing she "Likes." So I'm having a hard time believing that FB's algorithm is so smart.

HOWEVER

It's a pretty convenient excuse every time someone posts something I want nothing to do with & they ask if I saw it. Silver lining.
 
2014-08-18 03:32:12 PM  
Actually, the new FB control for moderating one's newsfeed do work.  I've paired out 99% of the Herp and 72% of the Derp by just saying I don't wish to see things from specific sources.  (I could just un-friend the offender, but that would make dinner at my parents a little awkward.)
 
2014-08-18 03:41:40 PM  
So basically, you can't trust your own newsfeed to serve up the info you have set it to give you based on the networking you have done. Seems like all you have left is a messaging system with fancy smileys.

/what? I don't have FB
//nananabooboo
///don't wish to lie to people I don't care about
 
2014-08-18 04:36:43 PM  
I understand why they curate the news feed but I don't understand why it still shows the same farking posts every time you log in. I already read this shiat, show me the shiat you didn't show me already. On top of that, it will bring the old posts back to the top for no reason. Yes, Sheryl "liked" Mark's post, but I already read Mark's post and Sheryl's "like" doesn't add anything to it.

You have no control over it and the whole thing is a catch-22. If you comment on Mark's posts, you see his posts more, and if you see his posts more, you comment on his posts more. Plus Mark won't necessarily see your posts the more you bug him, so you get creepy one-sided relationships. Oh and anyone who tells me "Most Recent" is much different than "Top Stories" is full of shiat.
 
2014-08-18 04:44:34 PM  
moothemagiccow: Oh and anyone who tells me "Most Recent" is much different than "Top Stories" is full of shiat.

I don't know if they differ or not, but I do know that Facebook changes my selected preference about once every six weeks.
 
2014-08-18 04:45:33 PM  
Get F.B. Purity (Not available for IE) and you don't have to see any news feeds or video or anything else you don't want to see.
 
2014-08-18 05:06:47 PM  

Wellon Dowd: moothemagiccow: Oh and anyone who tells me "Most Recent" is much different than "Top Stories" is full of shiat.

I don't know if they differ or not, but I do know that Facebook changes my selected preference about once every six weeks.


They wait that long for you?  The longest they've gone without chaning my selected preference was about a week (possibly a little longer), and the shortest:  A day.
 
2014-08-18 05:29:47 PM  

47 is the new 42: Wellon Dowd: moothemagiccow: Oh and anyone who tells me "Most Recent" is much different than "Top Stories" is full of shiat.

I don't know if they differ or not, but I do know that Facebook changes my selected preference about once every six weeks.

They wait that long for you?  The longest they've gone without chaning my selected preference was about a week (possibly a little longer), and the shortest:  A day.


My preference has been "Most Recent" for the last year and a half with no change and I log in on several devices.
 
2014-08-18 05:42:02 PM  

InterruptingQuirk: So basically, you can't trust your own newsfeed to serve up the info you have set it to give you based on the networking you have done. Seems like all you have left is a messaging system with fancy smileys.

/what? I don't have FB
//nananabooboo
///don't wish to lie to people I don't care about


I ditched mine about 3 weeks ago I'm hoping it's actually deleted by now, considering it says it's supposed to be after 14 days.

/No intention of going back.
 
2014-08-18 06:04:36 PM  

orange whip: 47 is the new 42: Wellon Dowd: moothemagiccow: Oh and anyone who tells me "Most Recent" is much different than "Top Stories" is full of shiat.

I don't know if they differ or not, but I do know that Facebook changes my selected preference about once every six weeks.

They wait that long for you?  The longest they've gone without chaning my selected preference was about a week (possibly a little longer), and the shortest:  A day.

My preference has been "Most Recent" for the last year and a half with no change and I log in on several devices.


How do you do that?  I log in on two devices:  my laptop and my smartphone.  I originally thought they might be changing my preference from "Most Recent" to "Top Posts" every time I logged into my phone, but I discovered they weren't doing that when my preference stayed as "Most Recent" on the website after I logged into my phone.
 
2014-08-18 06:10:56 PM  
Given my habit of blocking the sources of all image macros, you'd think the algorithm might actually be able to do something with that data.
 
2014-08-18 06:29:30 PM  
"We try to let users take control," says the FB drone interviewed in TFA, which shows that you only get to see a fraction of stuff in your network.

Orwell is proud.
 
2014-08-18 06:41:58 PM  
WTF is going on today?

/It's like a Washington Post apocalypse
 
2014-08-18 06:42:34 PM  
Of course Facebook filters when you have 300 things and friends you're trying to cram into a news feed.
 
2014-08-18 06:56:29 PM  

InterruptingQuirk: So basically, you can't trust your own newsfeed to serve up the info you have set it to give you based on the networking you have done. Seems like all you have left is a messaging system with fancy smileys.

/what? I don't have FB
//nananabooboo
///don't wish to lie to people I don't care about


This.

I did a permanent delete on it about 2 years. I couldn't be happier. I actually keep in contact with my few friends much better than I ever did with Facebook.
 
2014-08-18 07:23:08 PM  

47 is the new 42: orange whip: 47 is the new 42: Wellon Dowd: moothemagiccow: Oh and anyone who tells me "Most Recent" is much different than "Top Stories" is full of shiat.

I don't know if they differ or not, but I do know that Facebook changes my selected preference about once every six weeks.

They wait that long for you?  The longest they've gone without chaning my selected preference was about a week (possibly a little longer), and the shortest:  A day.

My preference has been "Most Recent" for the last year and a half with no change and I log in on several devices.

How do you do that?  I log in on two devices:  my laptop and my smartphone.  I originally thought they might be changing my preference from "Most Recent" to "Top Posts" every time I logged into my phone, but I discovered they weren't doing that when my preference stayed as "Most Recent" on the website after I logged into my phone.


I have the same problem, and I only check FB from ONE place (my desktop computer). It changes back to "Top Stories" every couple of days no matter how often I change it back to "Most Recent".
 
2014-08-18 07:28:14 PM  
what about needing 2 apps on a mobile device now?  I don't want your stupid messenger app!!

//is it really 2 apps?  I haven't found the motivation/desire to actually click on the must-get-messenger-app button

///also, my news feed sucks.  But un-subscribe helps with that.
 
2014-08-18 07:56:33 PM  

Ennuipoet: Actually, the new FB control for moderating one's newsfeed do work.  I've paired out 99% of the Herp and 72% of the Derp by just saying I don't wish to see things from specific sources.  (I could just un-friend the offender, but that would make dinner at my parents a little awkward.)


Same here.  It takes some time, but it's worth it.  Now I never see all the 35 shares of derp and 25 shares of cats my dad posts every day.

Also, I kinda figured out what the article writer figured out just by some casual observation.  No need to go through 7000 posts to come to that conclusion.
 
2014-08-18 09:30:57 PM  

47 is the new 42: orange whip: 47 is the new 42: Wellon Dowd: moothemagiccow: Oh and anyone who tells me "Most Recent" is much different than "Top Stories" is full of shiat.

I don't know if they differ or not, but I do know that Facebook changes my selected preference about once every six weeks.

They wait that long for you?  The longest they've gone without chaning my selected preference was about a week (possibly a little longer), and the shortest:  A day.

My preference has been "Most Recent" for the last year and a half with no change and I log in on several devices.

How do you do that?  I log in on two devices:  my laptop and my smartphone.  I originally thought they might be changing my preference from "Most Recent" to "Top Posts" every time I logged into my phone, but I discovered they weren't doing that when my preference stayed as "Most Recent" on the website after I logged into my phone.


I find it annoying that my computer and iPad both show "Most Recent" but I have to go through a menu to get to "Most Recent" on my iPhone. Why isn't there a setting to change the default on the iPhone like there is on the iPad?
 
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2014-08-18 11:33:57 PM  
Greg Marra, a product manager on News Feed at Facebook, told me that it is fundamentally a reflection of the user and his or her interests.
"News Feed is made by you," Marra said. "It tries to show the most interesting things possible for you, it's a very personalized system," he said, adding, "We try to let users take control."



fark. You.

It shows me crap I don't want to see and hides what I want.
 
2014-08-19 08:54:48 AM  
I dumped it 2+ years ago when, even then, it became apparent that FB was showing me what it wanted instead of what I wanted.  Everything I've read since then indicates it's become much worse.

Haven't regretted it for a minute.
 
2014-08-19 09:44:29 AM  

wiseolddude: Get F.B. Purity (Not available for IE) and you don't have to see any news feeds or video or anything else you don't want to see.


This, this and this.

http://www.fbpurity.com/
 
2014-08-19 09:49:50 AM  
My complaint about Facebook is every so often it takes my posts and thinks about them for a couple of hours before posting them, even to my own feed.

I'm guessing that my sense of humor doesn't play well with their list of no-nos, which is bullshiat.  I don't need a mommy to look at my feed.  If someone says something I don't like, I can delete that comment or unfriend that person. Everyone else has that power as well.

I'd feel differently if I used nudity or profanity or harassed people, but I don't.  To give you an example, I posted a link to that thing a few days ago where the U.S. siezed the looted assets of a Nigerian general.  I put it up there with a fake e-mail from one of those Nigerian scam artists looking for your bank account number, only I made him be annoyed that no one had taken him seriously.  That was it.  That was the joke.

It didn't go up for about two hours, even though I made other posts in the meantime.  No explanation why.  Was it FB trying to weed out scammers?  Was it perceived as racist?  Was the language in the e-mail perceived as insulting?  I don't even know what got it flagged in the first place.

In the meantime, this one guy I know is making constant posts about how the government of Ferguson, MO, needs to be arrested and summarily convicted of murder.

Where's the line?
 
2014-08-19 11:47:19 AM  
If you want to always start with most recent on your computer, use this as your bookmark-

https://www.facebook.com/?sk=h_chr
 
2014-08-19 12:45:42 PM  
I just wish someone could explain to me FB's obsession with "Top Stories".  As others have mentioned, the f'n thing does everything it can to keep you on "Top Stories" no matter WHAT you say you prefer.   Hell, on the iPhone, they buried the option three menu levels down, that's not a programming quirk, that's outright "We don't like you using this option" shiattiness.
I mean, they can flood me with ads just as much with "Recent Updates", I still see the same crap they shovel...why the HELL would FB give a shiat if I look at what friend X posted just a minute ago first versus the stupid pic friend Y posted yesterday?   Seriously?
It doesn't help that FB's "Top Stories" algorithm is incredibly shiatty at determining what's "relevant" no matter what I do.
I'd love to get a coherent explanation for this rather than "because fark you! that's why!"   FB is a business, this is a business decision but I can't for the life of me see what it is.
 
2014-08-19 01:11:34 PM  

ThatBillmanGuy: InterruptingQuirk: So basically, you can't trust your own newsfeed to serve up the info you have set it to give you based on the networking you have done. Seems like all you have left is a messaging system with fancy smileys.

/what? I don't have FB
//nananabooboo
///don't wish to lie to people I don't care about

I ditched mine about 3 weeks ago I'm hoping it's actually deleted by now, considering it says it's supposed to be after 14 days.

/No intention of going back.


Thankfully I never thought of getting on Facebook in the first place.
 
2014-08-19 02:23:52 PM  

yellowmattercustard: If you want to always start with most recent on your computer, use this as your bookmark-

https://www.facebook.com/?sk=h_chr


This. I even used AdBlock Plus to hide the "Viewing most recent stories  Back to top stories" block it shows over the Most Recent Feed.

What I have noticed is with Most Recent, I see just about everything from my friends, but it uses its algorithm to decide what to show me from the Pages I have 'liked' - meaning I also check the Pages Feed page whenever I check Facebook. Problem is, Pages Feed does not have a 'Most Recent' setting so I often miss updates from the Pages I follow.
 
2014-08-19 02:42:34 PM  
FB does have the little dropdown next to each post (on computer, not mobile) where you can choose "I don't want to see this."  But then when you go to the options for why you don't want to see it, it doesn't give you the "because this is a person I went to high school with +/- 20 years ago and I don't care about the crap they post" option. The "this person posts too many pictures of their kid/dog/cat/strange growth" or "this person is too whiney/needy/spammy" options would also be nice.  And just because I've recently accepted someone's friend request doesn't mean I want to see their posts all over my news feed.
 
2014-08-19 03:06:55 PM  
And yet, still no way to alphabetize how my friends list is displayed...
 
2014-08-19 04:17:55 PM  
All of that is why I deactivated my account.

/now I have more time to Fark
//and fark
 
2014-08-19 07:00:55 PM  
And yet you can see this article on Fark's Facebook feed.

\in all seriousness, I've noticed a bit of this, especially with a few joke sites I've liked that NEVER show up anymore
 
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