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2014-08-18 08:13:08 AM  

skozlaw: BlindRaise: Cars...

Are a useless analogy since they require an actual level of responsibility and accountability to drive around in public, unlike guns which, in most states, can be carried around by any old random idiot with nothing more than a nice note from the local Sheriff's office.

But don't let the fact you went completely off the rails stop your derp train from rolling.


Funny how constitutional rights work, huh?
 
MFK
2014-08-18 08:13:47 AM  

Peter von Nostrand: Accidental shooting is the price some have to pay every now and then.


Over and over and over again, apparently.
 
2014-08-18 08:15:40 AM  

MFK: Peter von Nostrand: Accidental shooting is the price some have to pay every now and then.

Over and over and over again, apparently.


 Malo periculosam, libertatem quam quietam servitutem
 
2014-08-18 08:19:56 AM  

Joe Blowme: Funny how constitutional rights work, huh?


Yes, I'm sure the right for a drunk to shoot an innocent bystander coming out of a bar was exactly what the framers envisioned.

A brilliant argument.
 
2014-08-18 08:23:39 AM  
But how many people did the other 50 million legal gun owners in the country shoot yesterday?
 
2014-08-18 08:24:02 AM  

skozlaw: BlindRaise: Cars...

Are a useless analogy since they require an actual level of responsibility and accountability to drive around in public, unlike guns which, in most states, can be carried around by any old random idiot with nothing more than a nice note from the local Sheriff's office.

But don't let the fact you went completely off the rails stop your derp train from rolling.


Yeah, I was just bursting at the seams with "accountability and responsibility" when I passed my 15 minute driver test that a retarded ape could of passed... lol... do you actually believe your own horseshiat? Do you think it's easier to get a concealed carry permit than a DL? I'd say the analogy is a pretty good one, sorry you don't like it.
 
2014-08-18 08:24:50 AM  
I'm a firm believer that in today's society, where gang shootings, armed robberies, muggings, etc..happen, a armed society is a polite society. Sure, you get the occasional moron like in this story, but darwin seems to weed those out. If in a town, or city, it is common for people to wear a weapon for self defense, it is far less likely that some asshole will try to rob, mug, or commit a robbery of a store, bank, etc...when there is a great chance that most if not all of the people there are armed and able to defend themselves. Criminals want cash, not gunfire. So they go for the "soft" targets that they know are easy cash.Hell, look at any town in a state where people commonly carry. You don't see allot of bank robberies, muggings, or general felonies that you see in cities where nobody is allowed to defend themselves. Generally thugs will not try to rob someone / someplace where they know people are able to defend their property / lives.
 
2014-08-18 08:25:18 AM  

enry: Isolated incident #104858.


There is good news. The police (you know, the unaccountable, irresponsible, trigger-happy, jack-booted minions who the Gun Control nuts want firearm possession limited to,) are doing their level best to overtake and surpass this statistic. Doesn't that just warm the cockles of your heart!?!
 
2014-08-18 08:25:48 AM  

skozlaw: BlindRaise: Cars...

Are a useless analogy since they require an actual level of responsibility and accountability to drive around in public, unlike guns which, in most states, can be carried around by any old random idiot with nothing more than a nice note from the local Sheriff's office.

But don't let the fact you went completely off the rails stop your derp train from rolling.


All a driver's license is is a nice note from a DMV employee saying you can drive around.

The test for concealed carry was WAY harder.
 
2014-08-18 08:26:08 AM  

BlindRaise: ...I passed my 15 minute driver test that a retarded ape could of passed...


That's rather aspirational of you.
 
2014-08-18 08:26:19 AM  
Pretty sure alcohol was involved. The only people that go to Helen are tourist families and people looking to drink all day.
 
2014-08-18 08:27:53 AM  

Egoy3k: mcmnky: Any recommendations on a good gun safe?

I have 4 rifles, 4 hand guns.  Would like room for ammunition and other accessories.

All the fire arms are locked in their individual cases.  Figure it's time for the one big enclosure.

If you plan to keep your ammunition in the same safe get one with a vent.  A strict 'gun safe' may not be ventilated properly.  I'm not supposed to keep my ammunition in the same place as my guns so I didn't bother.


Can I get one that is resistant to a nuclear blast? I'm not sure that my fridge is up to the job.
 
2014-08-18 08:27:55 AM  

badhatharry: thaylin: An employee who answered the telephone Sunday at the Old Heidelberg said the police had instructed the restaurant's staff not to speak to reporters.

WTF, so the cops dictate who can talk to now?

This is why we have the 2nd. It is to make sure we get to keep the 1st.


Really? It does not seem to be working.. And I hope you hold on to your guns when the government uses drones to drop bombs on you.
 
2014-08-18 08:29:06 AM  

born_yesterday: Joe Blowme: Funny how constitutional rights work, huh?

Yes, I'm sure the right for a drunk to shoot an innocent bystander coming out of a bar was exactly what the framers envisioned.

A brilliant argument.


Well I can't speak for other States but in FL it is illegal (even with a concealed carry permit) to carry your firearm into a bar. One of the many things you learn in the REQUIRED course to obtain a concealed carry permit are legal regulations.But hey, you tried.
 
2014-08-18 08:29:52 AM  

MFK: doglover: GodComplex: carrying with a round in the chamber

Why would you carry a gun without a round in the chamber?

Yeah, who wants to wait two seconds and perform an extra step when your chance to finally kill someone comes up, amirite?


If you don't have two seconds to spare, isn't a club the correct tool to deploy rather than a bang stick?
 
2014-08-18 08:30:02 AM  
Meanwhile, in 2012, 33,561 people died in automobile accidents (more than 91 people per day, or more than one person every 16 minutes), but no one on fark complains that private transportation should be outlawed.
 
2014-08-18 08:30:26 AM  

Bit'O'Gristle: Mock26: Man gets drunk, runs over child, kills child.  Where is the call to ban alcohol?/

/There is too much profit for booze makers, sellers, and tax money coming in. That's why.


Last I checked there is a ban on drunk driving. -1 for a stupid analogy.
 
2014-08-18 08:32:30 AM  

cwolf20: Why... do people forget one of the standard safety rules.  Have one less round in the gun that it carries, and make sure the empty is the first thing that will attempt to fire.  That way if there is an accident, only an ominous click will sound.


Because that's not one of the 'standard safety rules.'

Keeping your farking finger off the trigger, however, is one of them.
 
2014-08-18 08:32:32 AM  

doglover: Publikwerks: doglover: Publikwerks: 99.999%, you'll have time to work the action.

Have you ever used a semi-automatic handgun?

Nope. Semi shotgun and rifle, but never fired a semi handgun.

Then you should know you don't have to work the action every ten seconds like in the movies.

Round in the chamber, finger off the trigger. It's called "Condition 1" by people who like to name things and it's the only way you should be carrying a loaded handgun.

Your weapons, and I include any weapons here, not just guns, should always be as close to ready to use as possible or you might as well not be carrying it. The samurai didn't invent a whole school of lightning fast sword techniques that start with the student seated uncomfortably and the blade in the scabbard because situations that call for violence are convenient and allow you time to prepare. If you ever need a weapon, a single second is no longer a small unit of time. Every fraction of a second you can save with preparation, you should do.

If you have a gun with no round in the chamber, your best be will be to throw it at their face, and hope they flinch.


I think we have had this argument before. It's a difference in philosophy. What it comes down to is that people are careless. They make mistakes.

I work with databases, and when write procedures, I like to bring in multiple redundancies so that if the process farks up, it catches itself before it takes a huge dump all over the system. I favor the same type of precautions with firearms.

Like I bet this gentlemen was aware of muzzle discipline, and never actively pointed his gun at a person. However, he didn't take into account that his handgun is pointing at people while he was sitting.

So he failed on muzzle discipline. He (probably) failed with his trigger discipline(not sure the term for keeping you finger off the trigger other than common sense). There was multiple failures in his actions, and probably in alot of gun owners actions, so I think the extar step of keeping a round out of the chamber is warranted.


And the Samurai trained for years and years before they were samurai. They practiced with shinai and bokken for years before they went out into the world. So how about this - if you have years of training, go right ahead and leave one in the chamber. I bet this guy didn't have years of training. shiat, I think hours of training is too much to hope for.
 
2014-08-18 08:34:08 AM  

Itstoearly: Meanwhile, in 2012, 33,561 people died in automobile accidents (more than 91 people per day, or more than one person every 16 minutes), but no one on fark complains that private transportation should be outlawed.


This is what I'm talking about! It's time we sat down and had a common sense discussion about car control in this Country.
 
2014-08-18 08:36:30 AM  

Trailltrader: *Big sigh*  (Insert my continuing rant as an NRA firearms instructor that 8 hours of minimum class room training, and 4 hours range time before you can carry a firearm either open OR concealed- and you have to renew every 4 to 6 years with your drivers license)

Went to see "Expendables III" last week and I was so pissed off at Stallone for putting his finger on the trigger when he was not aiming at a bad guy.[img.fark.net image 850x645]


Well, it's easy for Stallone to take a liberal, anti-gun position. He used to perform in porn films under the appellation "the Italian stallion". He doesn't need a gun.
That's like Billy Joel writing the song "I love You Just the Way You Are" - to Christie Brinkley.
 
2014-08-18 08:36:55 AM  
I have no idea why you would need a piece in Helen.  People in Helen do though, mainly to keep the UN out.
 
2014-08-18 08:36:56 AM  

BlindRaise: Itstoearly: Meanwhile, in 2012, 33,561 people died in automobile accidents (more than 91 people per day, or more than one person every 16 minutes), but no one on fark complains that private transportation should be outlawed.

This is what I'm talking about! It's time we sat down and had a common sense discussion about car control in this Country.


I think most liberals would support applying the controls we already put on car transfer/ownership to guns and be done with it..
 
2014-08-18 08:37:02 AM  

doglover: Publikwerks: doglover: Publikwerks: 99.999%, you'll have time to work the action.

Have you ever used a semi-automatic handgun?

Nope. Semi shotgun and rifle, but never fired a semi handgun.

Then you should know you don't have to work the action every ten seconds like in the movies.

Round in the chamber, finger off the trigger. It's called "Condition 1" by people who like to name things and it's the only way you should be carrying a loaded handgun.

Your weapons, and I include any weapons here, not just guns, should always be as close to ready to use as possible or you might as well not be carrying it. The samurai didn't invent a whole school of lightning fast sword techniques that start with the student seated uncomfortably and the blade in the scabbard because situations that call for violence are convenient and allow you time to prepare. If you ever need a weapon, a single second is no longer a small unit of time. Every fraction of a second you can save with preparation, you should do.

If you have a gun with no round in the chamber, your best be will be to throw it at their face, and hope they flinch.


You strike me as one of those people who sits around fantasizing about situations in which you get to shoot someone and "be the hero".
 
2014-08-18 08:37:06 AM  

heili skrimsli: cwolf20: Why... do people forget one of the standard safety rules.  Have one less round in the gun that it carries, and make sure the empty is the first thing that will attempt to fire.  That way if there is an accident, only an ominous click will sound.

Because that's not one of the 'standard safety rules.'

Keeping your farking finger off the trigger, however, is one of them.


It's standard with most of the war veteran gun owners I know, and those they taught it to.
 
2014-08-18 08:38:41 AM  

thaylin: badhatharry: thaylin: An employee who answered the telephone Sunday at the Old Heidelberg said the police had instructed the restaurant's staff not to speak to reporters.

WTF, so the cops dictate who can talk to now?

This is why we have the 2nd. It is to make sure we get to keep the 1st.

Really? It does not seem to be working.. And I hope you hold on to your guns when the government uses drones to drop bombs on you.


The threat of an armed uprising is still a pretty good deterrent to government tyranny. I would hope that the sheep will rise up before they start droning people.
 
2014-08-18 08:38:56 AM  

BlindRaise: Itstoearly: Meanwhile, in 2012, 33,561 people died in automobile accidents (more than 91 people per day, or more than one person every 16 minutes), but no one on fark complains that private transportation should be outlawed.

This is what I'm talking about! It's time we sat down and had a common sense discussion about car control in this Country.


Nah, f**k. We should just let people walk into car agencies and drive 'em away. Screw the "registration", and "drivers licenses". Making them get licenses infringes on their right to be secure in their persons and property.
 
2014-08-18 08:39:54 AM  

Publikwerks: That's not true - if the man had been visiting a bar(and since the police told the employees not to talk to the press, that seems likely) where he wouldn't have been able to carry before, had this been before the law change, he might have been unarmed and unable to therefor accidentally shoot the tourist.


1.  It isn't stated whether the guy had concealed carry permit in the first place.
2.  The law didn't make it OK to consume alcohol in a bar while in possession of a gun. If he was drinking, then he's clearly not following the law.
3.  If he wasn't drinking, then his negligence could have happened anywhere, and so the change in law still doesn't apply.
 
2014-08-18 08:42:31 AM  
Who's more persecuted in this country?

Christians or our well-regulated militia?

Both seem under constant assault from the gravest of imaginary threats.
 
2014-08-18 08:44:38 AM  

jso2897: BlindRaise: Itstoearly: Meanwhile, in 2012, 33,561 people died in automobile accidents (more than 91 people per day, or more than one person every 16 minutes), but no one on fark complains that private transportation should be outlawed.

This is what I'm talking about! It's time we sat down and had a common sense discussion about car control in this Country.

Nah, f**k. We should just let people walk into car agencies and drive 'em away. Screw the "registration", and "drivers licenses". Making them get licenses infringes on their right to be secure in their persons and property.


Imagine you lived in the early days of America. Some town bureaucrat decides that everyone needs to register all their horses and wagons. The people would have told him to go fark himself.

But when cars came along they were new and dangerous. So everyone agreed that the government needed to regulate them. Idiots.
 
2014-08-18 08:44:51 AM  

Explodo: doglover: Publikwerks: doglover: Publikwerks: 99.999%, you'll have time to work the action.

Have you ever used a semi-automatic handgun?

Nope. Semi shotgun and rifle, but never fired a semi handgun.

Then you should know you don't have to work the action every ten seconds like in the movies.

Round in the chamber, finger off the trigger. It's called "Condition 1" by people who like to name things and it's the only way you should be carrying a loaded handgun.

Your weapons, and I include any weapons here, not just guns, should always be as close to ready to use as possible or you might as well not be carrying it. The samurai didn't invent a whole school of lightning fast sword techniques that start with the student seated uncomfortably and the blade in the scabbard because situations that call for violence are convenient and allow you time to prepare. If you ever need a weapon, a single second is no longer a small unit of time. Every fraction of a second you can save with preparation, you should do.

If you have a gun with no round in the chamber, your best be will be to throw it at their face, and hope they flinch.

You strike me as one of those people who sits around fantasizing about situations in which you get to shoot someone and "be the hero".


Could be worse. I occasionally picture myself owning a gun, drawing it on a criminal, being disarmed, and being found several hours later with a few holes in my head.
 
2014-08-18 08:45:30 AM  
Subby should probably barricade himself in his mom's basement.
 
2014-08-18 08:46:47 AM  

Bit'O'Gristle: I'm a firm believer that in today's society, where gang shootings, armed robberies, muggings, etc..happen, a armed society is a polite society. Sure, you get the occasional moron like in this story, but darwin seems to weed those out. If in a town, or city, it is common for people to wear a weapon for self defense, it is far less likely that some asshole will try to rob, mug, or commit a robbery of a store, bank, etc...when there is a great chance that most if not all of the people there are armed and able to defend themselves. Criminals want cash, not gunfire. So they go for the "soft" targets that they know are easy cash.Hell, look at any town in a state where people commonly carry. You don't see allot of bank robberies, muggings, or general felonies that you see in cities where nobody is allowed to defend themselves. Generally thugs will not try to rob someone / someplace where they know people are able to defend their property / lives.


There were, 5,086 bank robberies in the US in 2011
A total of 3 people were killed who were not the actual robbers 2 of those were police officers.
there were 73 injuries that were not the perpetrator.

Arizona, Florida, and Texas had 210, 214, and 294 robberies and New York (the state) had 339.

California had 687.

Lets adjust these for population.  (robberies per 100,000 people)

CA 1.84
NY 1.75
FL 1.09
TX 1.11
AZ 3.18

http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/bank-crime-statistics -2 011/bank-crime-statistics-2011


In other words, bank robberies are neither a problem nor are the rampant in states with stricter gun laws in comparison with states with more relaxed gun control.

I could no go on to refute the regular robberies claim, and the violent crime stuff too but honestly I doubt you'll even read this.  Violent crime is way down in the US and it has nothing to do with guns or the lack of guns.  It's completely unrelated and to believe that you need a gun to protect yourself ask any person who does concealed carry how often they have actually drawn their firearm.  The answer will almost always be never.  Carry it all you want, it's your right but don't kid yourself into thinking you are just one trigger pull away from being a hero.  That's the sort of attitude that will get someone killed needlessly.
 
2014-08-18 08:48:02 AM  

monoski: Bit'O'Gristle: Mock26: Man gets drunk, runs over child, kills child.  Where is the call to ban alcohol?/

/There is too much profit for booze makers, sellers, and tax money coming in. That's why.

Last I checked there is a ban on drunk driving. -1 for a stupid analogy.


really, who was talking about drunk driving..i was answering a question.  Why not ban booze. I gave the reason.

-2 for inability to understand a story plot.
 
2014-08-18 08:48:18 AM  

cwolf20: heili skrimsli: cwolf20: Why... do people forget one of the standard safety rules.  Have one less round in the gun that it carries, and make sure the empty is the first thing that will attempt to fire.  That way if there is an accident, only an ominous click will sound.

Because that's not one of the 'standard safety rules.'

Keeping your farking finger off the trigger, however, is one of them.

It's standard with most of the war veteran gun owners I know, and those they taught it to.


I wasn't taught to short magazines or keep the chamber empty. I was taught to carry the firearm in the manner that it is intended to be carried: with one in the pipe and a proper holster.
 
DGS [TotalFark]
2014-08-18 08:48:21 AM  

BlindRaise: I passed my 15 minute driver test that a retarded ape could ofhave passed


FTFY

/aren't you glad it was only testing your driving capacity?
 
2014-08-18 08:50:13 AM  

badhatharry: This is why we have the 2nd. It is to make sure we get to keep the 1st.


BTW - To quote Bullet Tooth Tony, "you've got your parties muddled up. There's no pussy here, just a dose that'll make you wish you were born a woman.."

The 2nd doesn't protect the first. The first protects the second. Just look at Ferguson right now. If those protesters were all armed, the police would have had carte blanche to mow em down. If you get into a gun pissing fight with the government, you will lose.

However - you use free speech, you can win. The pen is FAR more powerful than the sword.
 
DGS [TotalFark]
2014-08-18 08:50:24 AM  
I think we can all agree that it's really the woman's own fault. The law said she could carry her own gun so she wouldn't be a victim and she opted not to. Maybe a good guy with a gun could've stopped this.
 
2014-08-18 08:51:55 AM  

Egoy3k: That's the sort of attitude that will get someone killed needlessly.


According to CDC's WISQARS, there are about 14,000-19,000 nonfatal injuries stemming from accidental shootings per year in the U.S., though only about 600 people killed in such shootings.
 
2014-08-18 08:52:43 AM  
We really should outlaw accidents.
 
2014-08-18 08:55:01 AM  

heili skrimsli: cwolf20: heili skrimsli: cwolf20: Why... do people forget one of the standard safety rules.  Have one less round in the gun that it carries, and make sure the empty is the first thing that will attempt to fire.  That way if there is an accident, only an ominous click will sound.

Because that's not one of the 'standard safety rules.'

Keeping your farking finger off the trigger, however, is one of them.

It's standard with most of the war veteran gun owners I know, and those they taught it to.

I wasn't taught to short magazines or keep the chamber empty. I was taught to carry the firearm in the manner that it is intended to be carried: with one in the pipe and a proper holster.


Never said they learned it on active duty.  My vietnam veteran uncle carries a Ruger, which has no safety.  One chamber empty.
 
2014-08-18 08:56:33 AM  

monoski: Egoy3k: That's the sort of attitude that will get someone killed needlessly.

According to CDC's WISQARS, there are about 14,000-19,000 nonfatal injuries stemming from accidental shootings per year in the U.S., though only about 600 people killed in such shootings.


Only accidental shootings are needless?
 
2014-08-18 08:56:41 AM  

Egoy3k: Bit'O'Gristle: I'm a firm believer that in today's society, where gang shootings, armed robberies, muggings, etc..happen, a armed society is a polite society. Sure, you get the occasional moron like in this story, but darwin seems to weed those out. If in a town, or city, it is common for people to wear a weapon for self defense, it is far less likely that some asshole will try to rob, mug, or commit a robbery of a store, bank, etc...when there is a great chance that most if not all of the people there are armed and able to defend themselves. Criminals want cash, not gunfire. So they go for the "soft" targets that they know are easy cash.Hell, look at any town in a state where people commonly carry. You don't see allot of bank robberies, muggings, or general felonies that you see in cities where nobody is allowed to defend themselves. Generally thugs will not try to rob someone / someplace where they know people are able to defend their property / lives.

There were, 5,086 bank robberies in the US in 2011
A total of 3 people were killed who were not the actual robbers 2 of those were police officers.
there were 73 injuries that were not the perpetrator.

Arizona, Florida, and Texas had 210, 214, and 294 robberies and New York (the state) had 339.

California had 687.

Lets adjust these for population.  (robberies per 100,000 people)

CA 1.84
NY 1.75
FL 1.09
TX 1.11
AZ 3.18

http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/bank-crime-statistics -2 011/bank-crime-statistics-2011


In other words, bank robberies are neither a problem nor are the rampant in states with stricter gun laws in comparison with states with more relaxed gun control.

I could no go on to refute the regular robberies claim, and the violent crime stuff too but honestly I doubt you'll even read this.  Violent crime is way down in the US and it has nothing to do with guns or the lack of guns.  It's completely unrelated and to believe that you need a gun to protect yourself ask any person who does con ...


/yes i did read your post.  I was referring more to the physiological aspect of knowing a populace is armed and able to defend itself. ie..in the criminals mind.  if you were going to rob a store, and there were 2 stores, one where you KNOW the owner is armed, and one where you KNOW the owner is not, which one would you pick to rob? That is what i was saying.
 
2014-08-18 08:57:22 AM  

Abox: BlindRaise: Itstoearly: Meanwhile, in 2012, 33,561 people died in automobile accidents (more than 91 people per day, or more than one person every 16 minutes), but no one on fark complains that private transportation should be outlawed.

This is what I'm talking about! It's time we sat down and had a common sense discussion about car control in this Country.

I think most liberals would support applying the controls we already put on car transfer/ownership to guns and be done with it..


This is basically already the case (and then some) when buying a new firearm from an FFL dealer. https://www.atf.gov/files/forms/download/atf-f-4473-1.pdf
 
2014-08-18 08:58:17 AM  

Publikwerks: badhatharry: This is why we have the 2nd. It is to make sure we get to keep the 1st.

BTW - To quote Bullet Tooth Tony, "you've got your parties muddled up. There's no pussy here, just a dose that'll make you wish you were born a woman.."

The 2nd doesn't protect the first. The first protects the second. Just look at Ferguson right now. If those protesters were all armed, the police would have had carte blanche to mow em down. If you get into a gun pissing fight with the government, you will lose.

However - you use free speech, you can win. The pen is FAR more powerful than the sword.


You give way too much credit to our brave law enforcement officers.
 
2014-08-18 08:58:27 AM  
Damn filter..."psychological" not physiological.
 
2014-08-18 08:58:56 AM  

born_yesterday: Joe Blowme: Funny how constitutional rights work, huh?

Yes, I'm sure the right for a drunk to shoot an innocent bystander coming out of a bar was exactly what the framers envisioned.

A brilliant argument.


Sounds like you have a different version of the constitution... or just cant read.
 
2014-08-18 08:59:10 AM  

cwolf20: heili skrimsli: cwolf20: heili skrimsli: cwolf20: Why... do people forget one of the standard safety rules.  Have one less round in the gun that it carries, and make sure the empty is the first thing that will attempt to fire.  That way if there is an accident, only an ominous click will sound.

Because that's not one of the 'standard safety rules.'

Keeping your farking finger off the trigger, however, is one of them.

It's standard with most of the war veteran gun owners I know, and those they taught it to.

I wasn't taught to short magazines or keep the chamber empty. I was taught to carry the firearm in the manner that it is intended to be carried: with one in the pipe and a proper holster.

Never said they learned it on active duty.  My vietnam veteran uncle carries a Ruger, which has no safety.  One chamber empty.


Just in case someone says "I saw a ruger with a safety".  His does not have one, next?
 
2014-08-18 09:00:15 AM  
I think the bigger issue is stupid. If we could find a way to fix stupid we would have it licked.
 
2014-08-18 09:00:25 AM  

DubtodaIll: We really should outlaw accidents.


Or at least have a 3 day waiting period for accidents and how to have accidents classes before you can actually have an accident.
 
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