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(Atlanta Journal Constitution)   Step 1) Pass law allowing people to carry guns anywhere Step 2) ??? Step 3) Have a handgun misfire on a busy street, killing one   (ajc.com) divider line 370
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2014-08-18 06:41:19 AM  

Olo Manolo: enry: Olo Manolo: So in other words, somebody got shot and it had absolutely nothing to do with this law being passed?? "but,but, guns!"


"Man dies in car crash 3 days after eating ham sandwich. Ham sandwich under close investigation"

If you are allowed to drive a car anywhere and people get run over in a church, isn't it a good idea to make sure cars stay on the road and drivers have adequate training and cars are made safer?

Not a single thing you said has anything whatsoever to do with my statement.. I'm going to have to assume you intended to quote somebody else?? But just in case....

The GA carry law changed absolutely nothing about the situation. The man could have legally carried there before the law, and he could still legally carry there after the law.


You don't think gun owners should get adequate training? Got it.
 
2014-08-18 06:43:12 AM  

steamingpile: enry: mdeesnuts: enry: If you are allowed to drive a car anywhere and people get run over in a church, isn't it a good idea to make sure cars stay on the road and drivers have adequate training and cars are made safer?

If people getting run over in church is the standard we're going by, it's time to start regulating how trees fall.

People are generally required to keep their trees pruned. They may fall during a storm but having them checked and removed before they fall can be beneficial.

Huh, a bit of forethought and preparation can prevent mistakes. Wonder if that can be applied elsewhere. Nah.

I'll defer to Ron White on this one, "You can't fix stupid"


But you can give them a boomstick and let them walk around in public.
 
2014-08-18 06:44:20 AM  
Man gets drunk, runs over child, kills child.  Where is the call to ban alcohol?
 
2014-08-18 06:44:50 AM  

Publikwerks: Olo Manolo: The GA carry law changed absolutely nothing about the situation. The man could have legally carried there before the law, and he could still legally carry there after the law.

That's not true - if the man had been visiting a bar(and since the police told the employees not to talk to the press, that seems likely) where he wouldn't have been able to carry before, had this been before the law change, he might have been unarmed and unable to therefor accidentally shoot the tourist.


If it hadn't been for the post-World War 2 baby boom, this guy might not have even been born.  So really it'shiatler's fault.
 
2014-08-18 06:46:14 AM  
Everyone must wear bullet proof clothing.
www.bulletproofindia.com
 
2014-08-18 06:47:07 AM  

enry: But you can give them a boomstick


Actually, you can't. They have to buy that themselves.
 
2014-08-18 06:48:07 AM  

muck1969: It's okay, that person's right to live is not n the Constitution.  Because if there's anything that can stop an accidental discharge from killing someone is another accidental discharge.  Guns everywhere without requiring training or certification makes our society safer as all gun owners always behave responsibly and act rationally.


Actually, there is a right to life in the US Constitution:

Fifth Amendment:
"No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation."

But like all rights protected in the Bill of Rights, it protects them against government encroachment, not against the depredations of private actors.
 
2014-08-18 06:48:09 AM  

serial_crusher: So really it'shiatler's fault.


You know who else's fault it was?  Filter.  Adolph Filter.
 
2014-08-18 06:48:47 AM  
If it is not caused by a mechanical error it's not an accident. It's negligent homicide.
 
2014-08-18 06:50:20 AM  

dittybopper: not against the depredations of private actors.


Tonight, you.

iwatchstuff.com
 
2014-08-18 06:51:01 AM  
The Safe Carry Protection Act is passed and a woman's death ensues.

To quote the wife of Lampien, "It's an unfortunate situation."

Unfortunate.
 
2014-08-18 06:54:43 AM  

rzrwiresunrise: The Safe Carry Protection Act is passed and a woman's death ensues.

To quote the wife of Lampien, "It's an unfortunate situation."

Unfortunate.


Shooter was a retired judge?
 
2014-08-18 06:55:34 AM  

Publikwerks: Keeping a round in the chamber is dumb. You can justify it all you want, but 99.999%, you'll have time to work the action. And I have read about many accidental firings, including a state police officer up here in Maine. It's really not worth the time savings to keep one in the chamber.




Scenario: you are carrying a gun for self defense. You carry it without loading a round.
One day you need to defend yourself so you pull the gun and try to rack the slide.
Let's roll the dice and see what could happen.

The gun loads a round and works flawlessly.
The gun fails to feed properly and a round is stuck in the breach.
You short rack the slide, causing a failure to feed.
The follower and/or magazine are worn, causing failure to feed.
The magazine is improperly seated, causing failure to feed.
You'd hand is slick or you are injured, preventing you from racking the slide.
Your assailant reaches you before you've completed loading, maybe drawn to you by the noise.


One chance everything works, a half dozen ways it could go wrong (and a fair argument for why revolvers still sell so well).
The problem isn't having a round in the chamber. It's in keeping your finger off the switch.
You have to guard that trigger and use the manual safeties where applicable. You have to follow the four rules religiously.

/People need to familiarize themselves with their weapons and practice safety.
/They need to take training seriously, and treating the subject as taboo isn't helping that part.
 
2014-08-18 06:55:52 AM  

doglover: dittybopper: not against the depredations of private actors.

Tonight, you.


img.fark.net

Ha ha! You fool! You fell victim to one of the classic blunders - The most famous of which is "never get involved in a land war in Asia" - but only slightly less well-known is this: "Never go in against a Sicilian when death is on the line"! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Ha ha ha...
 
2014-08-18 07:00:32 AM  

Trailltrader: *Big sigh*  (Insert my continuing rant as an NRA firearms instructor that 8 hours of minimum class room training, and 4 hours range time before you can carry a firearm either open OR concealed- and you have to renew every 4 to 6 years with your drivers license)

Went to see "Expendables III" last week and I was so pissed off at Stallone for putting his finger on the trigger when he was not aiming at a bad guy.[img.fark.net image 850x645]


Since the link won't work for me, let's discuss the movie...how was it?  I like action flicks as a rule, but I thought the first two were just actively bad.

Not entertainingly bad, just bad-bad; they just went over like a bowl of cold grease.  I'd heard the third one was better, but at this point I'm not inclined to give them my money...
 
2014-08-18 07:00:45 AM  

mdeesnuts: GodComplex: I don't think any amount of classroom training is going to prevent people from thinking that carrying with a round in the chamber and the safety off is a good idea.

I've always wondered about this. If you carry a semi-auto wouldn't you want a round in the chamber? If you're carrying because you think, however remotely, that *oh fark* moment may happen do you really want to have to rack the slide?


I wouldn't. Too easy to shoot yourself in the hand and kill some poor fark that's minding their own business.

You need some serious training before you can draw from a holster and shoot.

Personally, I don't think anyone should be allowed to carry a pistol without some kind of certification. It's a lot different than keeping one in the house just in case.
 
2014-08-18 07:03:00 AM  
Also nobody else finds it ironic a woman from Texas had to come to Georgia for this to happen?
 
2014-08-18 07:11:42 AM  

Delta1212: muck1969: It's okay, that person's right to live is not n the Constitution.  Because if there's anything that can stop an accidental discharge from killing someone is another accidental discharge.  Guns everywhere without requiring training or certification makes our society safer as all gun owners always behave responsibly and act rationally.

Excuse me, "Life, liberty and the pursuit of property." It's the very first word in the Constitution of Rights.

Of course, the government ignores our right to pursue property, too, with all the taxes they make us illegally pay and sending in armed tax men to try to take away grazing land from an upstanding rancher who just found it laying around not being used. Heck, that seems like the very definition of pursuing property, but you don't see the "President" doing anything to respect that God-given right.


Feel free to move to Somalia then. No taxes, and you can do whatever you want with your guns.
 
2014-08-18 07:16:21 AM  

dittybopper: doglover: dittybopper: not against the depredations of private actors.

Tonight, you.

[img.fark.net image 640x366]

Ha ha! You fool! You fell victim to one of the classic blunders - The most famous of which is "never get involved in a land war in Asia" - but only slightly less well-known is this: "Never go in against a Sicilian when death is on the line"! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Ha ha ha...


--Luke Dumbledore Gandalf

FTFY
 
2014-08-18 07:18:08 AM  

EbolaNYC: Personally, I don't think anyone should be allowed to carry a pistol without some kind of certification.


Careful what you wish for. There is a rich history of racists shiatbags who agree with you.
 
2014-08-18 07:18:33 AM  

mcmnky: Any recommendations on a good gun safe?

I have 4 rifles, 4 hand guns.  Would like room for ammunition and other accessories.

All the fire arms are locked in their individual cases.  Figure it's time for the one big enclosure.


If you plan to keep your ammunition in the same safe get one with a vent.  A strict 'gun safe' may not be ventilated properly.  I'm not supposed to keep my ammunition in the same place as my guns so I didn't bother.
 
2014-08-18 07:24:45 AM  
I've been to Helen a number of times. Rough town. Don't know how I survived without a gun.
 
2014-08-18 07:28:09 AM  

clovercat: I've been to Helen a number of times. Rough town. Don't know how I survived without a gun.


I detect massive sarcasm
 
2014-08-18 07:31:31 AM  

Egoy3k: mcmnky: Any recommendations on a good gun safe?

I have 4 rifles, 4 hand guns.  Would like room for ammunition and other accessories.

All the fire arms are locked in their individual cases.  Figure it's time for the one big enclosure.

If you plan to keep your ammunition in the same safe get one with a vent.  A strict 'gun safe' may not be ventilated properly.  I'm not supposed to keep my ammunition in the same place as my guns so I didn't bother.


I'm assuming you are worried about rust?

get a  desicant pack. Put the safe in a place that is some what conditioned. Rapid changes in tem cause condensation ( hot to cool in a moist enviorment), between the sealed door and a desicant pack you will be fine if you clean and oil after a range trip.

where do you live you can't you "keep" ammo with firearms?
 
2014-08-18 07:32:47 AM  
If only the EMTs were armed. Nothing stops an accidental shooting than first responders with a gun.
 
2014-08-18 07:35:09 AM  

enry: steamingpile: enry: mdeesnuts: enry: If you are allowed to drive a car anywhere and people get run over in a church, isn't it a good idea to make sure cars stay on the road and drivers have adequate training and cars are made safer?

If people getting run over in church is the standard we're going by, it's time to start regulating how trees fall.

People are generally required to keep their trees pruned. They may fall during a storm but having them checked and removed before they fall can be beneficial.

Huh, a bit of forethought and preparation can prevent mistakes. Wonder if that can be applied elsewhere. Nah.

I'll defer to Ron White on this one, "You can't fix stupid"

But you can give them a boomstick and let them walk around in public.


Except for the background check and waiting period, and then there's the whole money for goods issue.
 
2014-08-18 07:35:33 AM  

Olo Manolo: "Man dies in car crash 3 days after eating ham sandwich. Ham sandwich under close investigation"


Well, it's already a known killer, at least once...

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namatad: Man is already illegal in most of the civilized world.
Well the Islamic part of it


They've outlawed men? Surely you mean women?!
 
2014-08-18 07:36:18 AM  
It wasn't a 'misfire' then subby.  A misfire is when a gun doesn't go off when it is loaded and you want it to go off.  The gun did exactly what the carrier instructed it to do, whether intended or not.

/silly subby
//you'll misfire your eye out.
 
2014-08-18 07:46:28 AM  
Just because you can, doesn't mean you should.
 
2014-08-18 07:46:28 AM  

AngryDragon: rzrwiresunrise: The Safe Carry Protection Act is passed and a woman's death ensues.

To quote the wife of Lampien, "It's an unfortunate situation."

Unfortunate.

Shooter was a retired judge?


That's the part you're worried about? You must be a member of GeorgiaPacking.org.
 
2014-08-18 07:53:20 AM  

Deep Contact: Everyone must wear bullet proof clothing.
[www.bulletproofindia.com image 300x291]


It's the woman's fault for not wearing her Class III body armor when visiting Helen, GA.  She should have known that Real Patriots would be around, all being responsible gun owners and doing what they do best!
 
2014-08-18 07:53:46 AM  
I can't believe people are still biatching about the Bill of Rights. Let it go.
 
2014-08-18 07:54:48 AM  
Law-abiding gun owner.

Well, until he wasn't.

Like all of them.
 
2014-08-18 07:57:08 AM  
Something something safe and responsible something
 
2014-08-18 07:58:52 AM  

Olo Manolo: So in other words, somebody got shot and it had absolutely nothing to do with this law being passed?? "but,but, guns!"


"Man dies in car crash 3 days after eating ham sandwich. Ham sandwich under close investigation"


To be honest we dont know it had nothing to do with the law. If you read the article the man was a drunk, and bars are a place that they are allowed to carry guns now. So if he was coming from a bar then it does have something to do with the law.
 
2014-08-18 07:58:58 AM  
Guns are bad m'kay


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2014-08-18 08:00:08 AM  
Too bad it didn't kill the idiot playing with it. Unless you need it, leave that shiat in your holster. If it had discharged while holstered, it would have gone into his ass or his leg, or the ground. Take his license away, and jail his ass for being stupid.
 
2014-08-18 08:00:43 AM  
Cars have also been known to kill people on busy streets, or is it the driver? No this is Fark, so it must be the car.
 
2014-08-18 08:01:42 AM  
An employee who answered the telephone Sunday at the Old Heidelberg said the police had instructed the restaurant's staff not to speak to reporters.

WTF, so the cops dictate who can talk to now?
 
2014-08-18 08:03:10 AM  

Mock26: Man gets drunk, runs over child, kills child.  Where is the call to ban alcohol?

/

/There is too much profit for booze makers, sellers, and tax money coming in. That's why.
 
2014-08-18 08:03:52 AM  
www.oncoursesystems.com
 
2014-08-18 08:05:10 AM  
 Malo periculosam, libertatem quam quietam servitutem
 
MFK
2014-08-18 08:05:40 AM  

doglover: GodComplex: carrying with a round in the chamber

Why would you carry a gun without a round in the chamber?


Yeah, who wants to wait two seconds and perform an extra step when your chance to finally kill someone comes up, amirite?
 
2014-08-18 08:06:20 AM  
Why... do people forget one of the standard safety rules.  Have one less round in the gun that it carries, and make sure the empty is the first thing that will attempt to fire.  That way if there is an accident, only an ominous click will sound.
 
2014-08-18 08:07:06 AM  

BlindRaise: Cars...


Are a useless analogy since they require an actual level of responsibility and accountability to drive around in public, unlike guns which, in most states, can be carried around by any old random idiot with nothing more than a nice note from the local Sheriff's office.

But don't let the fact you went completely off the rails stop your derp train from rolling.
 
2014-08-18 08:08:19 AM  

SquiggsIN: "if you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns."  firearms aren't going away even if you pass a hundred laws banning them.


Mostly because of the people making them.
 
2014-08-18 08:09:21 AM  

ramblemn: Egoy3k: mcmnky: Any recommendations on a good gun safe?

I have 4 rifles, 4 hand guns.  Would like room for ammunition and other accessories.

All the fire arms are locked in their individual cases.  Figure it's time for the one big enclosure.

If you plan to keep your ammunition in the same safe get one with a vent.  A strict 'gun safe' may not be ventilated properly.  I'm not supposed to keep my ammunition in the same place as my guns so I didn't bother.

I'm assuming you are worried about rust?

get a  desicant pack. Put the safe in a place that is some what conditioned. Rapid changes in tem cause condensation ( hot to cool in a moist enviorment), between the sealed door and a desicant pack you will be fine if you clean and oil after a range trip.

where do you live you can't you "keep" ammo with firearms?


I live in Canada.  We are supposed to store our ammunition in a different location from our firearms.

I am concerned about moisture yes. I buy my ammunition in bulk when it's a good price and some of it sits around for a long time.  I also live in a humid environment which doesn't help. A decent vent and my household AC keeps everything nice and dry.  Desiccant packs would help too.
 
2014-08-18 08:09:53 AM  

Bit'O'Gristle: Too bad it didn't kill the idiot playing with it. Unless you need it, leave that shiat in your holster. If it had discharged while holstered, it would have gone into his ass or his leg, or the ground. Take his license away, and jail his ass for being stupid.


No, no, no. The law is what is at fault here, not the idiot. It's Georgia's crazy guns-everywhere law that resulted in this tragedy. If Georgia had sensible gun laws like Chicago or Washington DC, this would never happen.
 
2014-08-18 08:11:24 AM  

thaylin: An employee who answered the telephone Sunday at the Old Heidelberg said the police had instructed the restaurant's staff not to speak to reporters.

WTF, so the cops dictate who can talk to now?


This is why we have the 2nd. It is to make sure we get to keep the 1st.
 
2014-08-18 08:12:41 AM  
Accidental shooting is the price some have to pay every now and then.
 
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