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(Huffington Post)   Liberal media: "[Obama is] the greatest enemy to press freedom in a generation"   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 120
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2014-08-17 06:29:03 PM  
It's a legitimate criticism. Shame that Republicans are too obsessed with BENGHAZIGARRRBLL to be the principled opposition party we need.
 
2014-08-17 06:44:34 PM  

fusillade762: It's a legitimate criticism. Shame that Republicans are too obsessed with BENGHAZIGARRRBLL to be the principled opposition party we need.


Is this an actual thing then? How can anyone tell with the constant hysterical shrieking going on?
 
2014-08-17 06:45:16 PM  
I usually try to avoid making a "but Bush" comment, because it really doesn't solve anything, and only proves how the actions of President Obama have contradicted some of Candidate Obama's rhetoric--especially about transparency, which he quickly reversed his stance upon taking office in 2009--but the Bush Administration was the first to throw a journalist in prison over this same exact thing.

I didn't agree with it then, either.

Some shiat needs to get straightened out here.
 
2014-08-17 06:46:00 PM  

fusillade762: It's a legitimate criticism. Shame that Republicans are too obsessed with BENGHAZIGARRRBLL to be the principled opposition party we need.


The republicans have no interest in supporting freedom of the press.
 
2014-08-17 06:47:14 PM  

fusillade762: Shame that Republicans are too obsessed with BENGHAZIGARRRBLL to be the principled opposition party we need.


They have forfeited any legitimacy long ago.

Which is unfortunate, because even when they have a valid complaint, it will only be heeded by their loyal base and dismissed by the rest as just more turbulence.
 
2014-08-17 07:08:12 PM  
The press are free to publish whatever they want. Is this incorrect?
 
2014-08-17 07:18:43 PM  
Would that be the same corporate owned liberal media that supported W's war efforts without question? They sound concerned.
 
2014-08-17 07:30:29 PM  
Well, then, time for me to start voting Republican.


BWAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAA!!!
 
2014-08-17 07:33:21 PM  
Dog years generation or human generation?

/he kicked my dog
//totes true
 
2014-08-17 07:40:35 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2014-08-17 08:34:32 PM  

Mugato: fusillade762: It's a legitimate criticism. Shame that Republicans are too obsessed with BENGHAZIGARRRBLL to be the principled opposition party we need.

The republicans have no interest in supporting freedom of the press.


You may find individuals in each who are concerned, but as institutions, no, neither party is truly interested in a free press. At least, that's the take away from this administration and the prior one.
 
2014-08-17 09:31:05 PM  
He has all the corrupting power of republicans and all the competence of the democrats
 
2014-08-17 09:34:00 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: The press are free to publish whatever they want. Is this incorrect?


That was certainly my understanding.
 
2014-08-17 09:34:33 PM  
Just what does this have to do with Obama's birth certificate? Why did the liberal media stop asking questions? I think that U.S. Americans deserve answers.
 
2014-08-17 09:37:23 PM  

fusillade762: It's a legitimate criticism. Shame that Republicans are too obsessed with BENGHAZIGARRRBLL to be the principled opposition party we need.


Yeah... This. Credit where credit's dues, and criticism where criticism's due.
 
2014-08-17 09:38:20 PM  
Risen's personal perspective on this raises his rhetoric to the hyperbolic here but, that noted, government working to limit a free press by targeting journos and whistleblowers is an actual real issue that needs addressing.
 
2014-08-17 09:41:54 PM  
Completely valid complaint and yes, I have been frustrated about the lack of transparency of this administration since January 22nd, 2008.  This is old and needs to stop.  Stop with the drone strikes, stop with other moronic policies that have dated back to the Bush era.
 
2014-08-17 09:43:07 PM  
Right, another example of where a rogue organization (the CIA) rests all responsibility on any President we elect.

So yeah, Obama did this. Thanks, Obama!
 
2014-08-17 09:43:22 PM  

make me some tea: the Bush Administration was the first to throw a journalist in prison over this same exact thing.


Bless you that you believe such things.
 
2014-08-17 09:44:02 PM  

quatchi: Risen's personal perspective on this raises his rhetoric to the hyperbolic here but, that noted, government working to limit a free press by targeting journos and whistleblowers is an actual real issue that needs addressing.


Then it's not really hyperbolic, is it?
 
2014-08-17 09:45:36 PM  
FTA:  The Department of Justice has ordered him to testify against former CIA agent Jeffrey Sterling, who it believes leaked information about a failed CIA operation in Iran that Risen reported on in his book. Risen recently lost his bid to have the Supreme Court revisit his case.

I for one resent the fact that Obama has taken over the Supreme Court.

/This is bad news.
//For Obama!
 
2014-08-17 09:45:43 PM  
2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-08-17 09:49:03 PM  
I'd probably give a fark about Obama being a threat to the freedom of the press if the press itself was actually worth anything.

The press spends more time jacking each other off with their spin and 'talking points', and manufacturing outrage. Rather than reporting anything of particular worth.

The press spends time covering Robin Williams before he's even in the ground while refusing to report on shiat that actually matters.

Instead of asking questions about the Guantanamo Detainees and putting the Obama Administration on the hotseat in regards to issues that granted, he did not start, but is not doing enough to rectify, the Press is too busy sucking the cock of their advertisers and producers who want better ratings.

In theory, I'm disappointed by the revelation that the Freedom of the Press isn't what it could be.

In actuality, the American people don't give a shiat about the Freedom of the Press to any meaningful extent. As evidenced by Edward Snowden, Julian Assange, and other whistleblowers.

So I don't give a shiat about the Obama Administration and their policy on the press, either.
 
2014-08-17 09:49:49 PM  

Mugato: fusillade762: It's a legitimate criticism. Shame that Republicans are too obsessed with BENGHAZIGARRRBLL to be the principled opposition party we need.

The republicans have no interest in supporting freedom of the press.


Neither does Obama apparently.

Obama isn't a sekret Mooslim planning on taking over the White House in a couple if years, but he learned from the best (Stalin and Mao) when it comes to dominating the press...
 
2014-08-17 09:50:01 PM  
If government actually was cooperating then this likely would not have happened to this extent.
 
2014-08-17 09:50:13 PM  

HighOnCraic: I for one resent the fact that Obama has taken over the Supreme Court.


You, of course, are wrong. Are you intentionally wrong?
 
2014-08-17 09:50:27 PM  
On the bright side, the generation gap is apparently getting thinner.
 
2014-08-17 09:53:10 PM  

Gulper Eel: make me some tea: the Bush Administration was the first to throw a journalist in prison over this same exact thing.

Bless you that you believe such things.


Back in the 70s, there was an ordinary citizen here in town who went to jail rather than testify before a grand jury. The right of a free press is one that everybody shares in. There aren't some people who have more rights than others.
 
2014-08-17 09:58:08 PM  

Gulper Eel: make me some tea: the Bush Administration was the first to throw a journalist in prison over this same exact thing.

Bless you that you believe such things.


Wow.
 
2014-08-17 09:59:24 PM  
Obama == Bush*==Nixon**

*George W Bush
**Richard Millhouse Nixon
 
2014-08-17 10:02:03 PM  

Weatherkiss: In actuality, the American people don't give a shiat about the Freedom of the Press to any meaningful extent. As evidenced by Edward Snowden, Julian Assange, and other whistleblowers.


What do Edward Snowden and Julian Assange have to do with Freedom of the Press?  They just leaked stolen secrets.  Lots of them.  Freedom of the Press is not Whetting the Curiosity of the Public at any Cost.

Journalists are supposed to stick it to the man and hold elected officials accountable, yes.  But their ethics are supposed to be beyond reproach.  Otherwise, the idea that the Press holds itself to a higher ethical standard loses all credibility.  If the leakers don't want to be ethical about it, then they don't get to hide behind the "whistleblower" moniker and all the dignity that comes with it. Same goes for the term"muckraker" for the journalists who facilitate and encourage this sort of thing.  They aren't actual muckrakers, they are what the word sounds like.
 
2014-08-17 10:02:10 PM  
I'm sure either Chris Christie or Hillary Clinton will fix all this.
 
2014-08-17 10:06:30 PM  

smitty04: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 586x381]


The eggs are coming from INSIDE THE HOUSE!!!!
 
2014-08-17 10:10:06 PM  
Taking a poll here: Do you support charging reporters who don't reveal their sources with espionage?
 
2014-08-17 10:10:12 PM  

thamike: Weatherkiss: In actuality, the American people don't give a shiat about the Freedom of the Press to any meaningful extent. As evidenced by Edward Snowden, Julian Assange, and other whistleblowers.

What do Edward Snowden and Julian Assange have to do with Freedom of the Press?  They just leaked stolen secrets.  Lots of them.   Freedom of the Press is not Whetting the Curiosity of the Public at any Cost.


But that is exactly what it is. They'll camp out in front of Robin Williams house and try to violate their request for privacy for the sake of ratings, but things like the NSA spying on the American public, or engaging in espionage operations in Germany is barely touched on from the media.

If they're going to be unscrupulous, they should at least point that talent in the right direction.

Journalists are supposed to stick it to the man and hold elected officials accountable, yes.  But their ethics are supposed to be beyond reproach.  Otherwise, the idea that the Press holds itself to a higher ethical standard loses all credibility.  If the leakers don't want to be ethical about it, then they don't get to hide behind the "whistleblower" moniker and all the dignity that comes with it. Same goes for the term"muckraker" for the journalists who facilitate and encourage this sort of thing.  They aren't actual muckrakers, they are what the word sounds like.


They're supposed to be ethical, yes. They're supposed to be objective and simply report on the facts. But they don't. Not when it comes to spinning the truth and making a narrative and talking point so their dumb mouthbreathing audience can show just how ignorant they are.

They are muckrakers. Fox News. CNN. MSNBC. It's not about news, it's a football game over who can win whatever superficial and trivial bullshiat argument on current events.

Fark is guilty of it. It's all about page clicks. Not any sort of meaningful 'not news' it was based on. It's all about advertising money. That's what the journalists report on. What gets their employers the most money. Paywalled websites. Facebook 'Likes'. The Freedom of the Press is saturated and mired in money -- not journalism.

And if it's going to be that way, then I can't honestly say I give a fark whether or not the government is trying to force some guy to testify, and will fine/sue/whatever until he does.
 
2014-08-17 10:11:58 PM  

yakmans_dad: HighOnCraic: I for one resent the fact that Obama has taken over the Supreme Court.

You, of course, are wrong. Are you intentionally wrong?


i.ytimg.com
 
2014-08-17 10:14:53 PM  
The Republicans have made so much crap about non-issues you can't tell what's an actual issue anymore.

With that in mind, I'm going with this is another made-up b.s. that the GOP is using to attack this administration.
 
2014-08-17 10:16:14 PM  

AeAe: The Republicans have made so much crap about non-issues you can't tell what's an actual issue anymore.

With that in mind, I'm going with this is another made-up b.s. that the GOP is using to attack this administration.


Divide and conquer. Independents are so farking stupid to fall for it every time.
 
2014-08-17 10:17:59 PM  

Weatherkiss: But that is exactly what it is. They'll camp out in front of Robin Williams house and try to violate their request for privacy for the sake of ratings, but things like the NSA spying on the American public, or engaging in espionage operations in Germany is barely touched on from the media.


Please don't say this out loud to anybody you want to take you seriously.
 
2014-08-17 10:18:54 PM  

make me some tea: I usually try to avoid making a "but Bush" comment, because it really doesn't solve anything, and only proves how the actions of President Obama have contradicted some of Candidate Obama's rhetoric--especially about transparency, which he quickly reversed his stance upon taking office in 2009--but the Bush Administration was the first to throw a journalist in prison over this same exact thing.

I didn't agree with it then, either.

Some shiat needs to get straightened out here.


Came here to say this. It's not that this is right, just that some people are acting like Obama invented this.

Again...
 
2014-08-17 10:20:51 PM  

cchris_39: Taking a poll here: Do you support charging reporters who don't reveal their sources with espionage?


They should only be charged for their hotel rooms and hookers.
 
2014-08-17 10:22:15 PM  

Weatherkiss: They'll camp out in front of Robin Williams house and try to violate their request for privacy for the sake of ratings, but things like the NSA spying on the American public, or engaging in espionage operations in Germany is barely touched on from the media.


So what? It's two different audiences. Do you think the starfarkers who rend their garments on cue for the reporters camped out in front of Robin Williams' house and the people who give a shiat about the NSA ever show up in the same Venn diagram?
 
2014-08-17 10:24:04 PM  

Truther: Mugato: fusillade762: It's a legitimate criticism. Shame that Republicans are too obsessed with BENGHAZIGARRRBLL to be the principled opposition party we need.

The republicans have no interest in supporting freedom of the press.

Neither does Obama apparently.

Obama isn't a sekret Mooslim planning on taking over the White House in a couple if years, but he learned from the best (Stalin and Mao) when it comes to dominating the press...


This is what Republicans actually believe.
 
2014-08-17 10:24:36 PM  
So the guy being threatened with jail (1st under Obama) is claiming Obama is bad, by ignoring the huge list of past journalists that were ACTUALLY jailed by all past administrations.

Here I thought Pulitzer winners were considered to be objective.
 
2014-08-17 10:25:24 PM  

Gulper Eel: Weatherkiss: They'll camp out in front of Robin Williams house and try to violate their request for privacy for the sake of ratings, but things like the NSA spying on the American public, or engaging in espionage operations in Germany is barely touched on from the media.

So what? It's two different audiences. Do you think the starfarkers who rend their garments on cue for the reporters camped out in front of Robin Williams' house and the people who give a shiat about the NSA ever show up in the same Venn diagram?


To be fair, Robin Williams was supposed to give Wired the exclusive for the cover this month, but he died.  So, they had to settle for Snowden.
 
2014-08-17 10:26:33 PM  

Fart_Machine: Truther: Mugato: fusillade762: It's a legitimate criticism. Shame that Republicans are too obsessed with BENGHAZIGARRRBLL to be the principled opposition party we need.

The republicans have no interest in supporting freedom of the press.

Neither does Obama apparently.

Obama isn't a sekret Mooslim planning on taking over the White House in a couple if years, but he learned from the best (Stalin and Mao) when it comes to dominating the press...

This is what Republicans actually believe.


No no, this is exactly like Stalin and Mao. That's why Risen has been able to successfully fight it for 6 years instead of being disappeared or shot.
 
2014-08-17 10:27:18 PM  

Gulper Eel: So what? It's two different audiences. Do you think the starfarkers who rend their garments on cue for the reporters camped out in front of Robin Williams' house and the people who give a shiat about the NSA ever show up in the same Venn diagram?


No, they don't. It just tells me that the majority of the American people simply don't give a shiat about quality journalism. If the American people don't give a shiat about journalism and the reason we have the Freedom of the Press to begin with, then I can't say I care if the government is grilling this guy.
 
2014-08-17 10:27:39 PM  
Journalistic ethics is dead. It'll never come back.
 
2014-08-17 10:32:23 PM  

Fantasta Potamus: Here I thought Pulitzer winners were considered to be objective.



They're considered to be a lot of things.  It depends which category they win.

He won the 2002 (along with the entire NYT staff) for Explanatory Journalism during the 9/11 attacks. I'd imagine objectivity was not only high on the list, but relatively unavoidable.
 
2014-08-17 10:35:02 PM  

Weatherkiss: No, they don't. It just tells me that the majority of the American people simply don't give a shiat about quality journalism.


They never did. It's just now they jam up your Facebook feed with idiocy, instead of spewing it as neighborhood gossip.

And now when your moron neighbor thinks dish soap will cure Lyme disease you can straighten them out with a trip to Snopes instead of having to schlep to the library.
 
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