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(Washington Post)   It looks like the 101st Hoverround Brigade may have its own core problems   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 104
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2014-08-17 03:08:58 PM  
This gets me angry. My father could walk short distances, but needed a chair for anything longer than a few minutes. He was refused a chair. I spent $1200 for a used (well, consider it the monster truck of chairs, listed at $6K) plus $300 in batteries for him. Not to mention a new car that I could load things up in to take him out.
 
2014-08-17 03:20:52 PM  
The government knew how the wheelchair scheme worked in 1998. But it wasn't until 15 years later that officials finally did enough to significantly curb the practice.

Though the practice has been largely interrupted during Obama's second tearm, it continued under Obama throughout his first tearm. Therefore, impeachment.
 
2014-08-17 03:39:02 PM  
You know what would be a great and efficient idea? A massive expansion of Medicare.
 
2014-08-17 04:11:04 PM  

RobertBruce: You know what would be a great and efficient idea? A massive expansion of Medicare.


Yes, along with better oversight to catch people who are cheating the system.  Seems like that worked.
 
2014-08-17 04:58:48 PM  

exvaxman: This gets me angry. My father could walk short distances, but needed a chair for anything longer than a few minutes. He was refused a chair. I spent $1200 for a used (well, consider it the monster truck of chairs, listed at $6K) plus $300 in batteries for him. Not to mention a new car that I could load things up in to take him out.


It was probably Hilary Clinton that personally denied him a chair.
 
2014-08-17 06:32:53 PM  
propasarus
That was an entirely different issue not even related to this. Dear Gosh if you knew the details, including the lawyer that represented us helped write the VAERS act, the two senators that sponsored the act testified for us, etc.....
 
2014-08-17 07:13:43 PM  

enry: RobertBruce: You know what would be a great and efficient idea? A massive expansion of Medicare.

Yes, along with better oversight to catch people who are cheating the system.  Seems like that worked.


Yeah. I like how the problem is never, ever, EVER the private sector entities that are doing the defrauding.
 
2014-08-17 07:15:08 PM  
Benchairzi.
 
2014-08-17 07:17:45 PM  
Hoveround Power Chair, where would you go next? The Statue of Liberty, the Grand Canyon, a family picnic?
 
2014-08-17 07:20:02 PM  

MFAWG: enry: RobertBruce: You know what would be a great and efficient idea? A massive expansion of Medicare.

Yes, along with better oversight to catch people who are cheating the system.  Seems like that worked.

Yeah. I like how the problem is never, ever, EVER the private sector entities that are doing the defrauding.


Completely agrees!
andromeda.com

$2 billion? Laughs at the petty change
 
2014-08-17 07:20:03 PM  

BalugaJoe: Benchairzi.


Chairghazi!
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2014-08-17 07:22:05 PM  
Gaitgate.
 
2014-08-17 07:22:23 PM  
I see commercials advertising how people can get MediCare to pay for these things on Fox News when I'm at my townie friend's house.

Sheesh.

:(
 
2014-08-17 07:24:20 PM  
A suggestion to those dealing with expiring batteries. Remy batteries have franchises in many towns. They are awesome when it comes to customer service.
 
2014-08-17 07:25:59 PM  

Kittypie070: I see commercials advertising how people can get MediCare to pay for these things on Fox News when I'm at my townie friend's house.

Sheesh.

:(


I'm sure FNC also has the "Do your owe more than $10,000 in back taxes? Call us to get it resolved and you don't pay a thing!"
 
2014-08-17 07:26:03 PM  
$8.2 billion for 2.7 million chairs and scooters works out to around $3000 per unit... nice little scam they ran.
 
2014-08-17 07:27:53 PM  
I'd like a motorized wheel chair to walk my dog. It's not that I can't walk, but I'm lazy.

/one with a built in coaster to hold my beer
 
2014-08-17 07:31:29 PM  

MFAWG: enry: RobertBruce: You know what would be a great and efficient idea? A massive expansion of Medicare.

Yes, along with better oversight to catch people who are cheating the system.  Seems like that worked.

Yeah. I like how the problem is never, ever, EVER the private sector entities that are doing the defrauding.


Civil servants still have a fiduciary duty to not set up such an easily scammable system.  Do SES-level retirees from Medicare get nice jobs w/ equipment manufacturers and distributors?
 
2014-08-17 07:31:33 PM  
I worked at a Blue Cross ten years ago and it was a huge problem for them back then. They slammed the door on new vendors while looking closely at the existing ones. I guess the Feds didn't get the memo.
 
2014-08-17 07:32:06 PM  
i291.photobucket.com

Were they just the 4V?
 
2014-08-17 07:33:00 PM  
The government busted a few of these hoverround places not too long ago,  one of them had those commercials where they basically guaranteed you'd be approved for one.

They would go and pressure the doctors to write up requests for them,  some of the docs were getting tired of it.  Others were probably in on the scam.
 
2014-08-17 07:33:16 PM  
Sad, but locally you used to find the units for very cheap (I almost bought a "hover round") to donate for $200.
Now the local dealers buy up every donated unit paying a commission to whomever finds them so that new units have to be bought.
 
2014-08-17 07:34:04 PM  

Kittypie070: I see commercials advertising how people can get MediCare to pay for these things on Fox News when I'm at my townie friend's house.

Sheesh.

:(


I see the same shiat late at night on FOX that I see on CNN.

MFAWG: enry: RobertBruce: You know what would be a great and efficient idea? A massive expansion of Medicare.

Yes, along with better oversight to catch people who are cheating the system.  Seems like that worked.

Yeah. I like how the problem is never, ever, EVER the private sector entities that are doing the defrauding.


Yeah.  It's like this article doesn't even specifically describe how companies carry out this fraud, as well as how a massive bureaucracy has known about it but not taken effective countermeasures for a decade and a half.  Just another example of the right-wing garbage the Washington Post is always spewing.
 
2014-08-17 07:35:25 PM  

ultraholland: The government knew how the wheelchair scheme worked in 1998. But it wasn't until 15 years later that officials finally did enough to significantly curb the practice.

Though the practice has been largely interrupted during Obama's second tearm, it continued under Obama throughout his first tearm. Therefore, impeachment.


Not to mention if he had closed the boarder to those furrinrs. None of this would've happened!
 
2014-08-17 07:36:38 PM  

Kittypie070: I see commercials advertising how people can get MediCare to pay for these things on Fox News when I'm at my townie friend's house.

Sheesh.

:(


I saw some with the"Medicare covers it or it's free!" Guarantee. It's almost like the companies selling them knew how to game the system or something.
 
2014-08-17 07:39:51 PM  
Outraged Tea Party members are rushing to protest this typical LIBERAL wastefullness!
exiledonline.com
 
2014-08-17 07:40:28 PM  
The wheelchair scam was designed to exploit blind spots in Medicare, which often pays insurance claims without checking them first.

It's not their money, they're paid to give it away, they have no accountability.

What's the problem?
 
2014-08-17 07:42:28 PM  
ts2.mm.bing.net

This would've been so powerful with a Hoverround.  But apparently Clint was adamant on going acoustic.
 
2014-08-17 07:43:02 PM  

Whatchoo Talkinbout: The wheelchair scam was designed to exploit blind spots in Medicare, which often pays insurance claims without checking them first.

It's not their money, they're paid to give it away, they have no accountability.

What's the problem?


Where's the accountability to not game the system? Should the Feds go after the end user or the actual criminals?
 
2014-08-17 07:44:35 PM  
This never would have happened if the bleeding-heart libruls had allowed the benevolent conservatives to privatize Social Security, then Medicare, then pretty much the rest of the government.
 
2014-08-17 07:47:38 PM  
Note from CMS...     please delete these posts and any emails relating to this topic.
 
2014-08-17 07:51:18 PM  

MFAWG: enry: RobertBruce: You know what would be a great and efficient idea? A massive expansion of Medicare.

Yes, along with better oversight to catch people who are cheating the system.  Seems like that worked.

Yeah. I like how the problem is never, ever, EVER the private sector entities that are doing the defrauding.


This.

See, this is the thing I don't get. Or maybe I do. Know why there are journalistic investigations of government problems? Because government makes it so much easier to do an investigation. Does anyone honestly think business is *any* less corrupt? What, business is run by a different branch of humanity, one that doesn't know the meaning of corruption?

You don't see as many exposés because business is harder to investigate. There's far less by way of public records.

In the whole private-versus-public sectors debate, the truth is that neither is less fraught with stupidity and corruption. But at least with the government, it's a lot easier to discover, expose, and change.

Or you can go on believing that Halliburton et al didn't, legally and illegally, take far more unwarranted taxpayer money than 40 years of Medicare scams ever did.
 
2014-08-17 07:51:25 PM  
So, they tighten up the documentation requirements just as the boomers are starting to qualify for Medicare. Nice touch.
 
2014-08-17 07:52:36 PM  

IlGreven: This never would have happened if the bleeding-heart libruls had allowed the benevolent conservatives to privatize Social Security, then Medicare, then pretty much the rest of the government.


IIRC, one of the major players in this scam was headquartered in Texas, and contributed heavily to the campaign of you-know-who, who (according to the article) had  2 full terms to get this wasteful program under control.

But it didn't happen.
 
2014-08-17 07:53:39 PM  
My wife is a consultant to the elderly. It does not work out because she (and I) work for them, not for profit. However, long and involved, we have a couple of lawyers that will look over contracts (often for free) that tell the folks to refuse many of these offers. For some reason, the folks we work with refuse government representatives and want us there. It isn't funny. Most gov't reps work for people.
 
2014-08-17 07:57:37 PM  

FrancoFile: MFAWG: enry: RobertBruce: You know what would be a great and efficient idea? A massive expansion of Medicare.

Yes, along with better oversight to catch people who are cheating the system.  Seems like that worked.

Yeah. I like how the problem is never, ever, EVER the private sector entities that are doing the defrauding.

Civil servants still have a fiduciary duty to not set up such an easily scammable system.  Do SES-level retirees from Medicare get nice jobs w/ equipment manufacturers and distributors?


From the article it sounds like they didn't have enough manpower to properly investigate.  If Medicare can only review 3% of claims before they're paid, it sounds like they should be allowed to hire a lot more people to review things so that more can be caught early on.  Of course, the same conservatives who are outraged about Medicare being defrauded are also outraged when the government directly creates jobs.
 
2014-08-17 07:57:49 PM  

enry: Kittypie070: I see commercials advertising how people can get MediCare to pay for these things on Fox News when I'm at my townie friend's house.

Sheesh.

:(


I'm sure FNC also has the "Do your owe more than $10,000 in back taxes? Call us to get it resolved and you don't pay a thing!"


Somehow those are even more distressing in a weird way.
 
2014-08-17 07:58:14 PM  

MFAWG: IRC, one of the major players in this scam was headquartered in Texas, and contributed heavily to the campaign of you-know-who


Voldemort?

I didn't think he was a big player in the mobility scooter racket.
 
2014-08-17 07:59:07 PM  
The problem is that medicare's fraud prevention is the equivalent of DRM.
 
2014-08-17 08:01:36 PM  

netcentric: Note from CMS...     please delete these posts and any emails relating to this topic.


http://psychcentral.com/quizzes/schizophrenia.htm
 
2014-08-17 08:03:13 PM  
knifefight.typepad.com
 
2014-08-17 08:06:55 PM  

jaytkay: Outraged Tea Party members are rushing to protest this typical LIBERAL wastefullness!
[exiledonline.com image 470x350]


How the hell do you let yourself get that big? I'm not some skinny little bastard, but holy shiat!
 
2014-08-17 08:12:47 PM  
If you are ever put into a position to need a chair/lift/whatever. These folks are decent.
http://www.goldentech.com
 
2014-08-17 08:13:23 PM  

brimed03: MFAWG: enry: RobertBruce: You know what would be a great and efficient idea? A massive expansion of Medicare.

Yes, along with better oversight to catch people who are cheating the system.  Seems like that worked.

Yeah. I like how the problem is never, ever, EVER the private sector entities that are doing the defrauding.

This.

See, this is the thing I don't get. Or maybe I do. Know why there are journalistic investigations of government problems? Because government makes it so much easier to do an investigation. Does anyone honestly think business is *any* less corrupt? What, business is run by a different branch of humanity, one that doesn't know the meaning of corruption?

You don't see as many exposés because business is harder to investigate. There's far less by way of public records.

In the whole private-versus-public sectors debate, the truth is that neither is less fraught with stupidity and corruption. But at least with the government, it's a lot easier to discover, expose, and change.

Or you can go on believing that Halliburton et al didn't, legally and illegally, take far more unwarranted taxpayer money than 40 years of Medicare scams ever did.


*CLASSIFIED*

I'm sorry this post is now classified,  nothing to see here.
But why?
Because fark you,  that's why.
 
2014-08-17 08:13:47 PM  

enry: RobertBruce: You know what would be a great and efficient idea? A massive expansion of Medicare.

Yes, along with better oversight to catch people who are cheating the system.  Seems like that worked.


Mostly worked. The biggest Medicare fraudster is currently governor of Florida.
 
2014-08-17 08:16:29 PM  

nyseattitude: MFAWG: enry: RobertBruce: You know what would be a great and efficient idea? A massive expansion of Medicare.

Yes, along with better oversight to catch people who are cheating the system.  Seems like that worked.

Yeah. I like how the problem is never, ever, EVER the private sector entities that are doing the defrauding.

Completely agrees!
[andromeda.com image 448x359]

$2 billion? Laughs at the petty change


Even Haliburton ain't laughing at $50 billion a year.

"Fraud in Medicare has been a top concern in Washington for decades, in part because the program's mistakes are so expensive. In fiscal 2013, for instance, Medicare paid out almost $50 billion in "improper payments." These were bills that, upon further reflection, contained mistakes and should not have been paid."
 
2014-08-17 08:18:09 PM  
LOS ANGELES - In the little office where they ran the scam, a cellphone would ring on Sonia Bonilla's desk.

Was it an Obamaphone? Oh wait, that's another scam we're paying for.
 
2014-08-17 08:19:42 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: FrancoFile: MFAWG: enry: RobertBruce: You know what would be a great and efficient idea? A massive expansion of Medicare.

Yes, along with better oversight to catch people who are cheating the system.  Seems like that worked.

Yeah. I like how the problem is never, ever, EVER the private sector entities that are doing the defrauding.

Civil servants still have a fiduciary duty to not set up such an easily scammable system.  Do SES-level retirees from Medicare get nice jobs w/ equipment manufacturers and distributors?

From the article it sounds like they didn't have enough manpower to properly investigate.  If Medicare can only review 3% of claims before they're paid, it sounds like they should be allowed to hire a lot more people to review things so that more can be caught early on.  Of course, the same conservatives who are outraged about Medicare being defrauded are also outraged when the government directly creates jobs.


They knew for years that their standard fee they were paying for motorized wheelchairs was 4x the going wholesale rate.  If you don't reset prices on big-ticket items at least every 2 years, you're an idiot at best, and an accessory to fraud at worst.  The Medicare/Social Security computer centers are some of the best in the government.  Not doing a simple year-to-year trend analysis is ridiculous, not just from a $ standpoint.  Think of the longitudinal studies that could be done with that data (straight medical, economic, etc.).

The fact that higher-ups in Medicare weren't all over that data means they were just going through the motions.  If you get a nice salary, good benefits, and the tenure/protection of the civil service program, you ought to actually be looking out for the general welfare of the nation.
 
2014-08-17 08:20:49 PM  
Why not just go steal one of the fat-fark chairs from Wal-Mart?
 
2014-08-17 08:24:18 PM  

MFAWG: enry: RobertBruce: You know what would be a great and efficient idea? A massive expansion of Medicare.

Yes, along with better oversight to catch people who are cheating the system.  Seems like that worked.

Yeah. I like how the problem is never, ever, EVER the private sector entities that are doing the defrauding.


The free market has ways of shutting that whole thing down.
 
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