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(NBC News)   Pope Francis I to visit Philadelphia in September. City officials suggest October since it won't conflict with any Phillies games once the MLB playoffs start   (nbcnews.com ) divider line
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2014-08-17 10:00:21 AM  
May I suggest the weekend of September 14th instead?
The Eagles are on Monday Night Football, so there will be people at Mass.
 
2014-08-17 10:13:10 AM  
Nah September is fine. Nobody is going to the games then either.
 
2014-08-17 10:15:06 AM  
I hope the Catholics pay the entire bill for security and all....you know, separation on church an state.

But seriously, fark the last vestage of thd Roman Empire.
 
2014-08-17 10:15:57 AM  
He should go in December so that the locals can throw snowballs at him.
 
2014-08-17 10:18:13 AM  

dwrash: I hope the Catholics pay the entire bill for security and all....you know, separation on church an state.

But seriously, fark the last vestage of thd Roman Empire.


That's okay. Vatican City doesn't recognize Missouri.
 
2014-08-17 10:22:22 AM  

dwrash: I hope the Catholics pay the entire bill for security and all....you know, separation on church an state.

But seriously, fark the last vestage of thd Roman Empire.


I am a liberal leaning atheist and even I think what you just said was stupid. Providing security to a visiting theocratic foreign leader is not a government endorsement of religion, even if he happens to head a religion that transcends his state borders. I am not sure how you could come to conclusion unless you are balls to wall retarded.

The Roman Empire predates the papacy by a millennia. The papacy predates the empire's adoption of Christianity by centuries. While there was a time where the Roman Empire was Christian neither the empire or the papacy spawned the other.

Also it is vestige.
 
2014-08-17 10:26:59 AM  
That's why I miss JFK stadium. There just aren't that many 100,000+ capacity venues left.

IIRC, the last events in that stadium before it was declared structurally unsound was a series of Grateful Dead shows. The joke at the time was that none of them would have noticed if the stadium collapsed around them.
 
2014-08-17 10:27:50 AM  
September 2015.
 
2014-08-17 10:28:18 AM  
Hope the Poemobile is battery-proof.
 
2014-08-17 10:31:48 AM  

Alunan: dwrash: I hope the Catholics pay the entire bill for security and all....you know, separation on church an state.

But seriously, fark the last vestage of thd Roman Empire.

I am a liberal leaning atheist and even I think what you just said was stupid. Providing security to a visiting theocratic foreign leader is not a government endorsement of religion, even if he happens to head a religion that transcends his state borders. I am not sure how you could come to conclusion unless you are balls to wall retarded.

The Roman Empire predates the papacy by a millennia. The papacy predates the empire's adoption of Christianity by centuries. While there was a time where the Roman Empire was Christian neither the empire or the papacy spawned the other.

Also it is vestige.


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2014-08-17 10:32:43 AM  

Alunan: dwrash: I hope the Catholics pay the entire bill for security and all....you know, separation on church an state.

But seriously, fark the last vestage of thd Roman Empire.

I am a liberal leaning atheist and even I think what you just said was stupid. Providing security to a visiting theocratic foreign leader is not a government endorsement of religion, even if he happens to head a religion that transcends his state borders. I am not sure how you could come to conclusion unless you are balls to wall retarded.

The Roman Empire predates the papacy by a millennia. The papacy predates the empire's adoption of Christianity by centuries. While there was a time where the Roman Empire was Christian neither the empire or the papacy spawned the other.

Also it is vestige.


Maybe you should read some actual history.  Christians didnt give a rats arse till the Romans hijacked Christianity.  Eusebius even admitted that no one knew at the time Rome asked him to write a church history.

Until the Roman Empire got involved there were no sacraments, no eucharist, no priests or nuns...no church buildings either.

As far as the Vatican being a state...you can thank Mousolini and the Treaty of Milan.

Like i said...not a single tax dollar should be spent on him unless its a visit to DC to see the pres...or to NY for a UN visit....nothing over what is customary and usual.
 
2014-08-17 10:33:09 AM  

czetie: He should go in December so that the locals can throw snowballs at him.


Do you have something personal against D cell batteries?
 
2014-08-17 10:36:37 AM  
Philadelphia problems:

www.torreelectrics.co.uk  vs  www.energizer.com


Duracell usually costs a little more, but hey it's da POPE!
Energizer has that ludicrous bunny for the lulz..
Aerodynamics a push.
Coppertop has the edge in aesthetics.
 
2014-08-17 10:37:16 AM  

dwrash: Until the Roman Empire got involved there were no sacraments, no eucharist, no priests or nuns...no church buildings either.


Jesus wasn't even a deity until about 317 AD, thanks to the Romans.
 
2014-08-17 10:43:45 AM  
Philly? It will be embarrassing when they boo the pope.
 
2014-08-17 10:47:22 AM  

jaytkay: Philly? It will be embarrassing when they boo the pope.


Why?  By his own admission, the guy has never scored.
 
2014-08-17 10:50:41 AM  

dwrash: I hope the Catholics pay the entire bill for security and all....you know, separation on church an state.

But seriously, fark the last vestage of thd Roman Empire.


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2014-08-17 10:56:48 AM  

dwrash: I hope the Catholics pay the entire bill for security and all....you know, separation on church an state.

But seriously, fark the last vestage of thd Roman Empire.


So, when Queen Elizabeth visits--since she is nominally the head of the Church of England--the Episcopalians should pay the entire bill for security?
 
2014-08-17 10:57:34 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: dwrash: Until the Roman Empire got involved there were no sacraments, no eucharist, no priests or nuns...no church buildings either.

Jesus wasn't even a deity until about 317 AD, thanks to the Romans.


We are using 'Romans' pretty imprecisely here. Damasus was Pope (and using the title) in 366. The empire made Christianity the state religion in 380. Are we defining the principal actor as the Roman zeitgeist or the Roman Empire? I daresay Catholicism was on its way to organizing itself before the Romans took the steering wheel. It's like blaming gay people or black people for AIDS because they just happened to get it first.

Regardless it is hard to conceive of a religion with hundreds of millions of adherents as a vestige. Whether of the Roman government, general culture, or a poorly conceived Italian treaty.
 
2014-08-17 11:05:17 AM  

Alunan: Marcus Aurelius: dwrash: Until the Roman Empire got involved there were no sacraments, no eucharist, no priests or nuns...no church buildings either.

Jesus wasn't even a deity until about 317 AD, thanks to the Romans.

We are using 'Romans' pretty imprecisely here. Damasus was Pope (and using the title) in 366. The empire made Christianity the state religion in 380. Are we defining the principal actor as the Roman zeitgeist or the Roman Empire? I daresay Catholicism was on its way to organizing itself before the Romans took the steering wheel. It's like blaming gay people or black people for AIDS because they just happened to get it first.

Regardless it is hard to conceive of a religion with hundreds of millions of adherents as a vestige. Whether of the Roman government, general culture, or a poorly conceived Italian treaty.


Populist or otherwise, it merged nicely into a power structure that's last almost two millenia.  Too bad it's allergic to knowledge and sunlight, because it does have some redeeming qualities.
 
2014-08-17 11:07:56 AM  
Subby's reading comprehension sucks.  Article says September 2015, so maybe the Phillies will do better next year.
 
2014-08-17 11:14:05 AM  

Marshall Willenholly: Subby's reading comprehension sucks.  Article says September 2015, so maybe the Phillies will do better next year.


And maybe the Pope will become an Episcopalian.
 
2014-08-17 12:03:59 PM  

thefonz37: Nah September is fine. Nobody is going to the games then either.


I live in Philly.  I can assure you that people completed stopped giving a shiat about baseball in this city well over a month ago.  But god forbid you ever suggest that this is a city of fairweather fans.

Except for Flyers fans.  They're pretty loyal.  But they're also hockey fans, so they're annoying for all sorts of different reasons.
 
2014-08-17 12:07:12 PM  

Alunan: Marcus Aurelius: dwrash: Until the Roman Empire got involved there were no sacraments, no eucharist, no priests or nuns...no church buildings either.

Jesus wasn't even a deity until about 317 AD, thanks to the Romans.

We are using 'Romans' pretty imprecisely here. Damasus was Pope (and using the title) in 366. The empire made Christianity the state religion in 380. Are we defining the principal actor as the Roman zeitgeist or the Roman Empire? I daresay Catholicism was on its way to organizing itself before the Romans took the steering wheel. It's like blaming gay people or black people for AIDS because they just happened to get it first.

Regardless it is hard to conceive of a religion with hundreds of millions of adherents as a vestige. Whether of the Roman government, general culture, or a poorly conceived Italian treaty.


Before the Empire adopted Christianity, Constantine brought the Christian leaders together to unify the faith. Christians were literally killing each other over theological differences. Over half the attendees of the conference walked out (the predecessors of the Coptics for example) and what came out looked very much like Mithraism, the religion that Constantine headed.

What we call Christianity today is a creation of the Empire. And this isn't even particularly disputed information. I first read about it in an encyclopedia in the '80s and my great grandfather (a Lutheran pastor) had books about it from his days in the seminary among the library my mom inherited.

Without the strongarming of the Empire Christianity would look a lot like Islam with no real international institutions or hierarchy.

But Christianity was very useful. Monotheistic faiths serve very well to build group identification between disparate peoples that traditionally considered each other inferiors. Not everyone absorbs the integration but enough do to maintain a semblance of control through the faithful.
 
2014-08-17 12:22:20 PM  
dwrash:

Like i said...not a single tax dollar should be spent on him unless its a visit to DC to see the pres...or to NY for a UN visit....nothing over what is customary and usual.

Yes, because we NEVER provide security to high-ranking foreign dignitaries who visit any US city other than DC...

You are being beyond moronic with your statements, and I am willing to bet you wouldn't feel this way if it was the Dalai Lama who was visiting.

/No hate like anti-Christian hate
//And I'm agnostic
 
2014-08-17 12:40:28 PM  

SilentStrider: May I suggest the weekend of September 14th instead?
The Eagles are on Monday Night Football, so there will be people at Mass.


But main god is a Dallas fan. Philly prayers go to some lesser ineffectual god like, Aeolus.
 
2014-08-17 01:50:59 PM  

dwrash: Alunan: dwrash: I hope the Catholics pay the entire bill for security and all....you know, separation on church an state.

But seriously, fark the last vestage of thd Roman Empire.

I am a liberal leaning atheist and even I think what you just said was stupid. Providing security to a visiting theocratic foreign leader is not a government endorsement of religion, even if he happens to head a religion that transcends his state borders. I am not sure how you could come to conclusion unless you are balls to wall retarded.

The Roman Empire predates the papacy by a millennia. The papacy predates the empire's adoption of Christianity by centuries. While there was a time where the Roman Empire was Christian neither the empire or the papacy spawned the other.

Also it is vestige.

Maybe you should read some actual history.  Christians didnt give a rats arse till the Romans hijacked Christianity.  Eusebius even admitted that no one knew at the time Rome asked him to write a church history.

Until the Roman Empire got involved there were no sacraments, no eucharist, no priests or nuns...no church buildings either.

As far as the Vatican being a state...you can thank Mousolini and the Treaty of Milan.

Like i said...not a single tax dollar should be spent on him unless its a visit to DC to see the pres...or to NY for a UN visit....nothing over what is customary and usual.


Pretty sure you should read some farking history bro, we have documents showing that the early church communities practiced the Eucharist. Didache mentioned it in perhaps the late 1st century or early 2nd, Ignatius of Antioch does as well and he died between 98 and 117 AD. Finally Justin Martyr writes about it sometime between 147 and 167 AD as well.

We also have evidence that there was some sort of church hierarchy in place very early on, earlier then the 4th century certainly. So I'm pretty sure you're wrong on just about everything and even though I dislike the Church's stance on sexuality and condoms, I think a religious leader like the Pope deserves to be welcomed and treated decently just like we did with JP II.
 
2014-08-17 02:14:37 PM  

dwrash: Alunan: dwrash: I hope the Catholics pay the entire bill for security and all....you know, separation on church an state.

But seriously, fark the last vestage of thd Roman Empire.

I am a liberal leaning atheist and even I think what you just said was stupid. Providing security to a visiting theocratic foreign leader is not a government endorsement of religion, even if he happens to head a religion that transcends his state borders. I am not sure how you could come to conclusion unless you are balls to wall retarded.

The Roman Empire predates the papacy by a millennia. The papacy predates the empire's adoption of Christianity by centuries. While there was a time where the Roman Empire was Christian neither the empire or the papacy spawned the other.

Also it is vestige.

Maybe you should read some actual history.  Christians didnt give a rats arse till the Romans hijacked Christianity.  Eusebius even admitted that no one knew at the time Rome asked him to write a church history.

Until the Roman Empire got involved there were no sacraments, no eucharist, no priests or nuns...no church buildings either.

As far as the Vatican being a state...you can thank Mousolini and the Treaty of Milan.

Like i said...not a single tax dollar should be spent on him unless its a visit to DC to see the pres...or to NY for a UN visit....nothing over what is customary and usual.


Alright, out damned troll and take your faux self-righteousness with you.  There is so much stupid in what you've posted that you should really think through the consequences of being exposed as an idiot.  Somebody up thread already corrected you about your nonsense about the early Christians not taking part in the Eucharist.  As far as the Vatican being a state, that was settled by the Lateran Treat by a correctly spelled Mussolini.  Of course, that doesn't count the centuries the Popes ruled over the Papal states.
 
2014-08-17 02:30:06 PM  

Cybernetic: That's why I miss JFK stadium. There just aren't that many 100,000+ capacity venues left.

IIRC, the last events in that stadium before it was declared structurally unsound was a series of Grateful Dead shows. The joke at the time was that none of them would have noticed if the stadium collapsed around them.


I was at that last show and I'd have noticed :P
 
2014-08-17 02:33:54 PM  

Alunan: Marcus Aurelius: dwrash: Until the Roman Empire got involved there were no sacraments, no eucharist, no priests or nuns...no church buildings either.

Jesus wasn't even a deity until about 317 AD, thanks to the Romans.

We are using 'Romans' pretty imprecisely here. Damasus was Pope (and using the title) in 366. The empire made Christianity the state religion in 380. Are we defining the principal actor as the Roman zeitgeist or the Roman Empire? I daresay Catholicism was on its way to organizing itself before the Romans took the steering wheel. It's like blaming gay people or black people for AIDS because they just happened to get it first.

Regardless it is hard to conceive of a religion with hundreds of millions of adherents as a vestige. Whether of the Roman government, general culture, or a poorly conceived Italian treaty.


What you mean by "roman" and what you mean by vestige/successor are both crucial definitions for this debate.

Arguably the church only really came into its own when the empire started crumbling and the church stepped in to fill the gap. With the holy roman empire for example, we see politicians trying to cement the legitimacy of their rule by linking themselves to the Roman Empire using the church. In general there were a lot of self proclaimed successors to the Roman Empire (including Hitler's third reich). It seems like the church was more successful in making their claim stick, possibly because they were the largest, centralized administrative entity in western Europe as Rome wasted away and because they became active, skillful political players during that time.
 
2014-08-17 02:35:23 PM  

Cybernetic: That's why I miss JFK stadium. There just aren't that many 100,000+ capacity venues left.

IIRC, the last events in that stadium before it was declared structurally unsound was a series of Grateful Dead shows. The joke at the time was that none of them would have noticed if the stadium collapsed around them.


J2P2 said Mass on the Ben Franklin Parkway and (as I recall) we managed to get a fairly large crowd taken care of.
 
2014-08-17 02:40:41 PM  

Solty Dog: SilentStrider: May I suggest the weekend of September 14th instead?
The Eagles are on Monday Night Football, so there will be people at Mass.

But main god is a Dallas fan. Philly prayers go to some lesser ineffectual god like, Aeolus.


I propose mass conversion to Offler.
 
2014-08-17 06:23:10 PM  
Maybe we can finally get a judgment on if this is real or not:

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2014-08-17 07:49:42 PM  

Solty Dog: SilentStrider: May I suggest the weekend of September 14th instead?
The Eagles are on Monday Night Football, so there will be people at Mass.

But main god is a Dallas fan. Philly prayers go to some lesser ineffectual god like, Aeolus.



So who was Dallas praying to in week 17 last year?
 
2014-08-17 08:32:11 PM  
Pope Francis not Pope Francis I.
 
2014-08-17 10:22:33 PM  

Prey4reign: dwrash: Alunan: dwrash: I hope the Catholics pay the entire bill for security and all....you know, separation on church an state.

But seriously, fark the last vestage of thd Roman Empire.

I am a liberal leaning atheist and even I think what you just said was stupid. Providing security to a visiting theocratic foreign leader is not a government endorsement of religion, even if he happens to head a religion that transcends his state borders. I am not sure how you could come to conclusion unless you are balls to wall retarded.

The Roman Empire predates the papacy by a millennia. The papacy predates the empire's adoption of Christianity by centuries. While there was a time where the Roman Empire was Christian neither the empire or the papacy spawned the other.

Also it is vestige.

Maybe you should read some actual history.  Christians didnt give a rats arse till the Romans hijacked Christianity.  Eusebius even admitted that no one knew at the time Rome asked him to write a church history.

Until the Roman Empire got involved there were no sacraments, no eucharist, no priests or nuns...no church buildings either.

As far as the Vatican being a state...you can thank Mousolini and the Treaty of Milan.

Like i said...not a single tax dollar should be spent on him unless its a visit to DC to see the pres...or to NY for a UN visit....nothing over what is customary and usual.

Alright, out damned troll and take your faux self-righteousness with you.  There is so much stupid in what you've posted that you should really think through the consequences of being exposed as an idiot.  Somebody up thread already corrected you about your nonsense about the early Christians not taking part in the Eucharist.  As far as the Vatican being a state, that was settled by the Lateran Treat by a correctly spelled Mussolini.  Of course, that doesn't count the centuries the Popes ruled over the Papal states.


Not a single thing i said was stupid.. unless you have been brainwashed into the cult of pedophiles.  Jesus would not recognize or aprove of what Rome has  created.
 
2014-08-18 01:57:20 AM  

dwrash: Not a single thing i said was stupid.. unless you have been brainwashed into the cult of pedophiles


I dunno, that was pretty stupid
 
2014-08-18 09:47:23 AM  

darwinpolice: thefonz37: Nah September is fine. Nobody is going to the games then either.

I live in Philly.  I can assure you that people completed stopped giving a shiat about baseball in this city well over a month ago.  But god forbid you ever suggest that this is a city of fairweather fans.


I think you're being generous, as a lifelong fan a little further out the turnpike I don't think I've heard a peep about Philly baseball in at least a year from anyone.  Reminds me of when I was a kid in the late 80s.
 
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