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(Sports Illustrated)   When they don't know who you are, all you are is black. They don't know that I graduated from college, or that I'm in the NFL. But when they find that out, they want to stop and have a conversation"   (mmqb.si.com) divider line 118
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2014-08-16 10:49:26 AM  
The real crime here is you're driving a Durango. You're in the NFL, man. Show some self respect.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2014-08-16 11:04:47 AM  
I was going to say NFL players should be rich enough to shut that place down, given that the cops admit to illegal stops, but on second thought it's only the top stars who can afford a team of high end lawyers.
 
gja
2014-08-16 11:26:26 AM  

abhorrent1: The real crime here is you're driving a Durango. You're in the NFL, man. Show some self respect.


Or, he is smarter than the average show-off who burns through their earnings so fast their long term plan is to play ball until they get a crippling injury.

/good on him, smart young man
 
2014-08-16 11:28:46 AM  
News Flash: Police fark with white people, too.
 
2014-08-16 11:29:57 AM  

gja: abhorrent1: The real crime here is you're driving a Durango. You're in the NFL, man. Show some self respect.

Or, he is smarter than the average show-off who burns through their earnings so fast their long term plan is to play ball until they get a crippling injury.

/good on him, smart young man


Buying a Dodge does not show foresight.
 
2014-08-16 11:35:17 AM  
It must suck. All my black friends have stories that none of my white friends do that involve the police. And, we're all good people. No major lawbreaking.
 
2014-08-16 11:38:19 AM  
If any white people would like just a little taste of what it's like, try driving through South Carolina at night with New York plates.
 
2014-08-16 11:40:49 AM  

JonPace: News Flash: Police fark with white people, too.


Me, for example on multiple occasions.  When i was with Black friends.  Just a coincidence.
 
2014-08-16 11:43:28 AM  

gja: Or, he is smarter than the average show-off who burns through their earnings so fast their long term plan is to play ball until they get a crippling injury.



Yup.  Many blow through the money as it it's going to continue to pour in indefinitely rather than realizing that it has to last a lifetime.
 
2014-08-16 11:44:54 AM  

JonPace: News Flash: Police fark with white people, too.


We white people are far less like to get farked with by the police, and the level of harassment is significantly lower than what people of color are routinely subjected to.
 
2014-08-16 11:48:16 AM  

Grumpy Cat: It must suck. All my black friends have stories that none of my white friends do that involve the police. And, we're all good people. No major lawbreaking.


I have a friend who's a humanities professor in Colorado.  She's dark-complected and her last name is CLEARLY Muslim.  Oh, and her Dad---her next-of-kin who appears as her emergency contact on all her travel documents---has the first name Mohammed.

Guess who ALWAYS gets "randomly" selected for additional security by the TSA every time she flies?
 
2014-08-16 11:52:23 AM  

FizixJunkee: Grumpy Cat: It must suck. All my black friends have stories that none of my white friends do that involve the police. And, we're all good people. No major lawbreaking.

I have a friend who's a humanities professor in Colorado.  She's dark-complected and her last name is CLEARLY Muslim.  Oh, and her Dad---her next-of-kin who appears as her emergency contact on all her travel documents---has the first name Mohammed.

Guess who ALWAYS gets "randomly" selected for additional security by the TSA every time she flies?


Whenever I travelled with a Persian friend, who would joke about talking to "his Uncle Ben (Laden)" on the cell phone in Farsi, I'd always be the one getting the pat down.
 
2014-08-16 11:57:23 AM  

HiFiGuy: If any white people would like just a little taste of what it's like, try driving through South Carolina at night with New York plates.


Or through Baltimore with Florida plates.
 
2014-08-16 12:01:27 PM  
Ah, "criminal justice" - the philosophy degree of the community college.

This all must be terribly hard for this young man. Well, back to his 5-10 year career that will earn him more than his mother earned in her ENTIRE LIFE.

This just in: you got out. Bring them to you. You can afford it.
You'll find new places that feel like home.
 
2014-08-16 12:03:14 PM  

JonPace: News Flash: Police fark with white people, too.


   Well, yeah.  Sorta.
   I mean, for example, a long time ago when I first moved out of state and to Tennessee as a brand new adult, I was living in this pay-by-the-week shiathole apartment constructed entirely of cinder blocks and cockroaches.  People would come to the door asking for drugs, and shady things happened, but other than that I was largely left alone.
   One day, I heard a loud commotion outside. I was still in my teens and still pretty stupid, so I popped outside to see what the noise was.  I nearly walked into a cop.  He asked if I lived there.  Having just walked out of my own front door, I felt inclined to say yes.
   I didn't get 'yes' out before I was thrown against this concrete 'railing' stuff that keeps you from falling or whatever on the second floor walkway, and told that I was going to be searched for his safety.  I said jack shiat.
   He asked if I had any weapons.  I said that I had a pocket knife (a rather large one) in my front left pocket, and instinctively turned a bit in that direction to gesture, as one is inclined to do.  The cop turned into a just-lost-at-Dejarik wookie and I think attempted to tear my arm off.  He then yelled at me not to move and asked if I spoke English, and said that my movements had made him 'nervous'.  He recovered the knife, and told me that it was not in fact a knife I used at my shiatty job to cut things down, but a concealed weapon.
   Ran my ID, which apparently takes 3 years if you live out of state.  During this, they decided to get a photograph of me standing next to a smiling officer holding a 12-gauge.  I did get to hide my face somewhat, though.  Yay.  I had no warrants, no illegal activity.  I just stepped outside in response to a commotion.

   So, overall, it kind of sucked.  But at the end of all of this, the cop handed me back my concealed weapon and let me go back inside.

   I was 'farked with,' but not to the level some people are 'farked with.'  My ass was largely un-kicked and un-killed, I wasn't arrested, and they gave me my 'weapon' back.
 
2014-08-16 12:05:32 PM  
Only 15 posts in, and several creative, thinly-veiled forms of "I'm ok with this" have already been crafted!
 
2014-08-16 12:10:51 PM  

Grumpy Cat: It must suck. All my black friends have stories that none of my white friends do that involve the police. And, we're all good people. No major lawbreaking.


HiFiGuy: If any white people would like just a little taste of what it's like, try driving through South Carolina at night with New York plates.


I'm white.  A friend of mine and I (also white) were driving through Detroit when I was young.  I was pulled over without warning and it took the cop an awful long time to come up.  Next thing I know, two other cars pull up and we're being talked out of the car at shotgun point.  After being searched, cuffed, identified, and put in the back of the car, we were told that a shooting had occurred by two white guys in a car that matched our description.  Once they realized that it wasn't us (eyewitness), we were released.

It was terrifying.  Next time this happens, I'm going to do the exact same thing, shut my mouth and cooperate fully.  I really don't want some cop with an itchy trigger finger opening a hole in me.  Any idiot who resists arrest should have a sense of what they're risking.

It happens to us too.  It's more a matter of location I think
 
2014-08-16 12:11:26 PM  

Waldo Pepper: or through Arizona with any out of state plates


I drove for several months in Phoenix, AZ with Michigan plates while being a white male, and never got any extra attention from police. There are a lot of people in the greater Phoenix metro area who have non-AZ license plates, though. Stuff might be different in the smaller towns.
 
2014-08-16 12:20:13 PM  

AngryDragon: Grumpy Cat: It must suck. All my black friends have stories that none of my white friends do that involve the police. And, we're all good people. No major lawbreaking.

HiFiGuy: If any white people would like just a little taste of what it's like, try driving through South Carolina at night with New York plates.

I'm white.  A friend of mine and I (also white) were driving through Detroit when I was young.  I was pulled over without warning and it took the cop an awful long time to come up.  Next thing I know, two other cars pull up and we're being talked out of the car at shotgun point.  After being searched, cuffed, identified, and put in the back of the car, we were told that a shooting had occurred by two white guys in a car that matched our description.  Once they realized that it wasn't us (eyewitness), we were released.

It was terrifying.  Next time this happens, I'm going to do the exact same thing, shut my mouth and cooperate fully.  I really don't want some cop with an itchy trigger finger opening a hole in me.  Any idiot who resists arrest should have a sense of what they're risking.

It happens to us too.  It's more a matter of location I think


I know a lot of white guys that hate the cops, including my husband. He's been harassed. ... I just hear more stories from my black friends in random conversations that come up.
 
2014-08-16 12:22:22 PM  
"When I go home I get pulled over just because," Bass says, "and they'll say, 'We're doing random checks,' which is against the law. Or they say, there was a theft and the getaway car was like my black Durango. When they don't know who you are, all you are is black. They don't know that I graduated from college, or that I'm in the NFL. But when they find that out, they want to stop and have a conversation."

Black people should all drive fluorescent-orange-and-red Yugos. That would end the, "We're searching for suspects driving a vehicle like yours" excuse.
 
2014-08-16 12:23:21 PM  

Waldo Pepper: you know how many more white men were pulled over during the DC sniper attacks compared to everyone else.


Slow day over at Stormfront?
 
2014-08-16 12:24:14 PM  

FizixJunkee: people of color


thatsracist.jpg
 
2014-08-16 12:26:31 PM  
Well, I for one don't appreciate the uppity tone this thug is taking in this piece. The only problem in Ferguson is all the outside agitators. What is this guy, Nation of Islam, New Black Panthers, ACORN, one of Al Sharlatan's thugs?
 
2014-08-16 12:28:07 PM  

semiotix: Well, I for one don't appreciate the uppity tone this thug is taking in this piece. The only problem in Ferguson is all the outside agitators. What is this guy, Nation of Islam, New Black Panthers, ACORN, one of Al Sharlatan's thugs?


Oh wait, nvm, I didn't see it was THAT David Bass. Sorry dude! DA BEARS! DITKAAAAAA! WOOOOOO
 
2014-08-16 12:30:18 PM  
Reminder: This Is Water

No matter who you are, you have never had an interpersonal encounter where you weren't your own race or sex, unless you have taken some serious steps to mask that aspect. If you talk to people of the same race/sex they will have had the same kinds of interaction. This is not proof that only your race/sex has that interaction; claiming so is an example of confirmation bias.
 
2014-08-16 12:31:06 PM  
My sister attends JSU in Mississippi. She is white and has a lot of black friends. She hangs out with them. Has never been pulled over. I have live in largely black and Hispanic parts of town in Texas, New Mexico and Arizona. I will listen to alternative Spanish music here and there. I've never been pulled over.

The only time I've had an encounter like this was when I was on a bus in Ecuador. Why? I was American. My 2 friends and I were hauled off a bus and have our belongings searched for drugs. How do I know? They asked us. We had done nothing wrong. It was then that I 'got it'. This is a long standing issue in the US that is perpetuated by popular media and politicians wanting re election. Worse, it is a direct failure of Reconstruction following the Civil War.

The US should be better than this. But we aren't.
 
2014-08-16 12:44:05 PM  
I harass anyone and everyone, regardless of race, color, creed, gender, or sexual orientation but I do it politely. I don't go beyond a pat down unless the person is trying to fight me or my partners, I've never used pepper spray, I've never shot anyone or anything, and I've only tased a combative 6'2 DUI and a burglar who was running from us. Most of the time, people don't walk away from me angry.

If I don't know who you are, I will treat you politely, but warily. I don't know who you are or what you've done beyond what I've witnessed or been called about. There are enough readily available videos on the Internet that show how simple situations can get really dangerous really quickly and I don't plan on going home in a body bag. I was at Amanda Haworth and Roger Castillo's funeral service and I'll do my damnedest to make sure there isn't one of those for me.
 
2014-08-16 12:46:27 PM  

AngryDragon: Grumpy Cat: It must suck. All my black friends have stories that none of my white friends do that involve the police. And, we're all good people. No major lawbreaking.

HiFiGuy: If any white people would like just a little taste of what it's like, try driving through South Carolina at night with New York plates.

I'm white.  A friend of mine and I (also white) were driving through Detroit when I was young.  I was pulled over without warning and it took the cop an awful long time to come up.  Next thing I know, two other cars pull up and we're being talked out of the car at shotgun point.  After being searched, cuffed, identified, and put in the back of the car, we were told that a shooting had occurred by two white guys in a car that matched our description.  Once they realized that it wasn't us (eyewitness), we were released.

It was terrifying.  Next time this happens, I'm going to do the exact same thing, shut my mouth and cooperate fully.  I really don't want some cop with an itchy trigger finger opening a hole in me.  Any idiot who resists arrest should have a sense of what they're risking.

It happens to us too.  It's more a matter of location I think


I've been harassed by the cops by more then one occasion.  One time I was in the wrong place at the wrong time, and was stopped and frisked (and cuffed).  My coworker who was a retired cop, said they were just trying to pad their number by getting non-minorities in the stats.  Of course my case was dropped before it even went to court.  That said, my experiences were civil, and can't even hold a candle to the stuff my black friends have gone through repeatedly.
 
2014-08-16 12:46:46 PM  

Waldo Pepper: jaytkay: Waldo Pepper: you know how many more white men were pulled over during the DC sniper attacks compared to everyone else.

Slow day over at Stormfront?

not sure what stormfront refers to. there is a lot of talk in here about what it feels like to be a black male and pulled over/stopped for no reason well during the DC sniper event t for once in thei was white males that were being treated like criminals especially those driving white vans.

In the 70's if you were a white male with long hair at times you would get treated like a druggie or criminal based on having long hair not just by the cops.


So that makes racial profiling OK? There's no racial discrimination?
 
2014-08-16 12:49:27 PM  

jaytkay: Waldo Pepper: jaytkay: Waldo Pepper: you know how many more white men were pulled over during the DC sniper attacks compared to everyone else.

Slow day over at Stormfront?

not sure what stormfront refers to. there is a lot of talk in here about what it feels like to be a black male and pulled over/stopped for no reason well during the DC sniper event t for once in thei was white males that were being treated like criminals especially those driving white vans.

In the 70's if you were a white male with long hair at times you would get treated like a druggie or criminal based on having long hair not just by the cops.

So that makes racial profiling OK? There's no racial discrimination?


No it doesn't make it ok. It means that cops are more than just racists. They will gladly fark with ANYONE. This isn't white vs. black. It is cops vs everyone else.
 
2014-08-16 12:52:20 PM  
Well in all fairness if I met a NFL football player I'd probably want to have a conservation with them also, regardless of skin color.

/except for Michael Vic.
//that punk should of never gotten back in the NFL
///shashies!!!
 
2014-08-16 12:55:07 PM  

umad: jaytkay: Waldo Pepper: jaytkay: Waldo Pepper: you know how many more white men were pulled over during the DC sniper attacks compared to everyone else.

Slow day over at Stormfront?

not sure what stormfront refers to. there is a lot of talk in here about what it feels like to be a black male and pulled over/stopped for no reason well during the DC sniper event t for once in thei was white males that were being treated like criminals especially those driving white vans.

In the 70's if you were a white male with long hair at times you would get treated like a druggie or criminal based on having long hair not just by the cops.

So that makes racial profiling OK? There's no racial discrimination?

No it doesn't make it ok. It means that cops are more than just racists. They will gladly fark with ANYONE. This isn't white vs. black. It is cops vs everyone else.


One time in recent memory some white people were inconvenienced. See? It's not racism.
 
2014-08-16 12:57:19 PM  

Waldo Pepper: jaytkay: Waldo Pepper: you know how many more white men were pulled over during the DC sniper attacks compared to everyone else.

Slow day over at Stormfront?

not sure what stormfront refers to. there is a lot of talk in here about what it feels like to be a black male and pulled over/stopped for no reason well during the DC sniper event t for once in thei was white males that were being treated like criminals especially those driving white vans.

In the 70's if you were a white male with long hair at times you would get treated like a druggie or criminal based on having long hair not just by the cops.


Oh yeah, I was there. And it was JUST EXACTLY like being black.


i18.photobucket.com
 
2014-08-16 12:59:01 PM  
It sucks that this happens. The politics of respectability is bullshiat
 
gja
2014-08-16 01:02:23 PM  

Tchernobog: gja: abhorrent1: The real crime here is you're driving a Durango. You're in the NFL, man. Show some self respect.

Or, he is smarter than the average show-off who burns through their earnings so fast their long term plan is to play ball until they get a crippling injury.

/good on him, smart young man

Buying a Dodge does not show foresight.


It does more so than blowing $110K on a loaded ego-extenstion, then dumping another load into it to make it unique and even more attention-whoreish.

Granted, there are smartER choices, but this as least shows restraint and self-control.
 
2014-08-16 01:03:41 PM  

Nightshade50: /except for Michael Vic.
//that punk should of never gotten back in the NFL


lh5.googleusercontent.com
 
2014-08-16 01:05:16 PM  
" When they don't know who you are, all you are is black. They don't know that I graduated from college, or that I'm in the NFL. But when they find that out, they want to stop and have a conversation."

When I go out, EVERYBODY knows me.The press follows me around, hoards of people want my autograph, and all women beg me to give them babies. It's good to be white.
 
2014-08-16 01:08:35 PM  

Russad: One time in recent memory some white people were inconvenienced. See? It's not racism.


FFS. Of course they are racists. But don't think for a damn minute that they wouldn't enjoy cracking your or my skull just as much. The reason they keep getting away with it is because farking retards like you will blame anybody other than the people who are actually cracking skulls.
 
2014-08-16 01:10:15 PM  
Bass majored in criminal justice at Missouri Western and aspired to become a crime scene investigator if football didn't work out.

A football career won't last forever, and Ferguson sounds like it could use a good CSI.
 
2014-08-16 01:17:10 PM  
(just sayin', the head line is missing an opening ")

Ducks
 
2014-08-16 01:25:44 PM  

Grumpy Cat: It must suck. All my black friends have stories that none of my white friends do that involve the police. And, we're all good people. No major lawbreaking.


So, there is lawbreaking happening?

[/snark]
 
2014-08-16 01:25:57 PM  
I hate to tell you this, but if you're a football player, you didn't really graduate from college. You got an automatic pass in some courses an average middle school student would find easy.
 
2014-08-16 01:28:27 PM  

Nightshade50: Well in all fairness if I met a NFL football player I'd probably want to have a conservation with them also, regardless of skin color.

/except for Michael Vic.
//that punk should of never gotten back in the NFL
///shashies!!!


I know. I was expecting a pound of flesh from Mike Vick and instead he just went ahead and served his time, never shies away from the topic in interviews, has been ridiculously contrite, and talks to anyone who will listen including elementary school children about not making the same mistakes. I mean, he hurt dogs, and you do not hurt animals. Go ahead and rape people and murder them and we won't complain as much because valuing animal life ahead of human suffering is in no way a sick set of values and way to go through life. Dogs > people. He is much more of a bad person than Rothingsburger, Ray Lewis, Ray Rice, etc.
 
2014-08-16 01:29:54 PM  

jaytkay: Waldo Pepper: jaytkay: Waldo Pepper: you know how many more white men were pulled over during the DC sniper attacks compared to everyone else.

Slow day over at Stormfront?

not sure what stormfront refers to. there is a lot of talk in here about what it feels like to be a black male and pulled over/stopped for no reason well during the DC sniper event t for once in thei was white males that were being treated like criminals especially those driving white vans.

In the 70's if you were a white male with long hair at times you would get treated like a druggie or criminal based on having long hair not just by the cops.

So that makes racial profiling OK? There's no racial discrimination?


Arguments against racial profiling would be a lot more convincing if different racial groups refrained from committing crime at rates many times higher than others.  Seems stupid to ignore the fact that race X commits 7-8 times as much violent crime than race Y.
 
2014-08-16 01:36:50 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: jaytkay: Waldo Pepper: jaytkay: Waldo Pepper: you know how many more white men were pulled over during the DC sniper attacks compared to everyone else.

Slow day over at Stormfront?

not sure what stormfront refers to. there is a lot of talk in here about what it feels like to be a black male and pulled over/stopped for no reason well during the DC sniper event t for once in thei was white males that were being treated like criminals especially those driving white vans.

In the 70's if you were a white male with long hair at times you would get treated like a druggie or criminal based on having long hair not just by the cops.

So that makes racial profiling OK? There's no racial discrimination?

Arguments against racial profiling would be a lot more convincing if different racial groups refrained from committing crime at rates many times higher than others.  Seems stupid to ignore the fact that race X commits 7-8 times as much violent crime than race Y.


Don't you know? If you arrest a bunch of black guys for committing a crime, but Don't arrest a bunch of white guys for NOT committing a crime, then it's RACIST!

All kidding aside, This. Maybe if folks among these racial and ethnic communities would stop glorifying "Pimping", theft, drug sales and abuse, and shooting people for wearing the wrong colors, maybe, just MAYBE the crime rate among that race would start going down.

Seriously. Consider it a challenge to all of those of any racial group known for certain crimes. Live a clean life and encourage others to do the same. Don't spend ridiculous amounts of money on putting gemstones in your teeth. Pull your pants up. Get an education and go somewhere in life. If the cops really ARE all horrible racists, then it'll frustrate them to no end that they can't find a reason to arrest you. However, since the vast majority Aren't, then all you'll be doing is working to improve the view of you and your racial background in the public eye and helping future generations overcome racist world views.
 
2014-08-16 01:37:12 PM  
Waldo Pepper:

yep that's it. lordy lordy only the black race has ever been discriminated against based on the color of their skin. Nobody else in this country knows the sorrows.

I'd imagine you know all about it living up there in lily white MA


Wow, you definitely annihilated that argument that no one was making. Good job!
 
2014-08-16 01:50:05 PM  

Dog Man: I harass anyone and everyone, regardless of race, color, creed, gender, or sexual orientation but I do it politely. I don't go beyond a pat down unless the person is trying to fight me or my partners, I've never used pepper spray, I've never shot anyone or anything, and I've only tased a combative 6'2 DUI and a burglar who was running from us. Most of the time, people don't walk away from me angry.

If I don't know who you are, I will treat you politely, but warily. I don't know who you are or what you've done beyond what I've witnessed or been called about. There are enough readily available videos on the Internet that show how simple situations can get really dangerous really quickly and I don't plan on going home in a body bag. I was at Amanda Haworth and Roger Castillo's funeral service and I'll do my damnedest to make sure there isn't one of those for me.


You harass anyone and everyone? And you think that is OK because you are polite? This lady's and gentlemen is exactly what's wrong with the police. They think if they do anything less than taze you, you should be happy.
 
2014-08-16 01:50:34 PM  

vharshyde: If the cops really ARE all horrible racists, then it'll frustrate them to no end that they can't find a reason to arrest you.


Hahaha.  "Can't find a reason."  Oh, man.
 
2014-08-16 01:54:36 PM  

Waldo Pepper: jso2897: Waldo Pepper: jaytkay: Waldo Pepper: you know how many more white men were pulled over during the DC sniper attacks compared to everyone else.

Slow day over at Stormfront?

not sure what stormfront refers to. there is a lot of talk in here about what it feels like to be a black male and pulled over/stopped for no reason well during the DC sniper event t for once in thei was white males that were being treated like criminals especially those driving white vans.

In the 70's if you were a white male with long hair at times you would get treated like a druggie or criminal based on having long hair not just by the cops.

Oh yeah, I was there. And it was JUST EXACTLY like being black.


[i18.photobucket.com image 80x61]

sure it was . if you were a white male and driving a white van you were considered a suspect first based solely on the color of your skin.


Oh, yeah. Absolutely. The law treats black men and white men just alike. Uh huh. Yup.
 
2014-08-16 01:58:27 PM  

Relatively Obscure: vharshyde: If the cops really ARE all horrible racists, then it'll frustrate them to no end that they can't find a reason to arrest you.

Hahaha.  "Can't find a reason."  Oh, man.


Cops aren't racist, as a rule - in the sense that they don't hate black people. They are, however, smart enough to recognize that in a racist society, black people are somebody that they can treat anyway they want.
So in a sense, it is true that the way cops treat black people is the way they would treat everybody if they could.
But it's actually a lot worse than the way they treat white people, and only the self-deluded would pretend otherwise.
 
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