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(Guardian)   10 grammatical "errors" that are okay to break, if only to piss off the grammar nazis who think they are grievous crimes up with which they will not put   (theguardian.com) divider line 106
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2014-08-16 06:31:04 AM  
Great article. Thanks to whoever whomever who whom the guy that submitted it.
 
2014-08-16 07:50:06 AM  

mr_a: Great article. Thanks to whoever whomever who whom the guy that submitted it.


Hahahaha!!!

+1
 
2014-08-16 08:51:35 AM  
No oxford comma?

LIST FAILS!
 
2014-08-16 08:53:22 AM  
Yeah, fark people with standards. Ain't nuthin' worth the bother of doin' right, no matter how small.
 
2014-08-16 08:54:08 AM  

Summoner101: No oxford comma?

LIST FAILS!


Would you like some help understanding the difference between grammar and punctuation?
 
2014-08-16 08:54:28 AM  
"That's the man whose camper they were whacking off in!"

"Johnson!  You are an Agent of the FBI!  NEVER END A SENTENCE WITH A PREPOSITION."

"That's the...  that's the man.. off in whose camper they where whacking!"


/loosely paraphrased
/it has been 16 years since i saw that movie
/boy howdy, i've never seen so much hwackin'
 
2014-08-16 08:54:59 AM  

ginandbacon: Summoner101: No oxford comma?

LIST FAILS!

Would you like some help understanding the difference between grammar and punctuation?


Hook, line and sinker.
 
2014-08-16 08:56:31 AM  
Oh god... it's on youtube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4XCZfkGF8k

It's better than I remember it!
 
2014-08-16 08:57:50 AM  
That article is to long.
 
2014-08-16 08:58:06 AM  

Summoner101: ginandbacon: Summoner101: No oxford comma?

LIST FAILS!

Would you like some help understanding the difference between grammar and punctuation?

Hook, line and sinker.


Go easy on GAB. She ain't all there
 
2014-08-16 09:00:39 AM  
Well, that certainly was enough to scare Fark Lurkers into another 6 weeks of Lurking.

Unless one of them can come up with the awesome and strategic breaking of all 10 "rules" in the same post.
 
2014-08-16 09:00:41 AM  

KingKauff: Summoner101: ginandbacon: Summoner101: No oxford comma?

LIST FAILS!

Would you like some help understanding the difference between grammar and punctuation?

Hook, line and sinker.

Go easy on GAB. She ain't all there


Some one get me a g'ddamn Irish coffee STAT. I obviously need my medicine.
 
2014-08-16 09:02:30 AM  

mr_a: Great article. Thanks to whoever whomever who irregardless of whom the guy that submitted it.

;p
 
2014-08-16 09:03:10 AM  
I ain't got no time for this!
 
2014-08-16 09:03:40 AM  

BitwiseShift: Well, that certainly was enough to scare Fark Lurkers into another 6 weeks of Lurking.

Unless one of them can come up with the awesome and strategic breaking of all 10 "rules" in the same post.


So what you are saying is, you have an implied desire to see FARK comments get as bad as YouTube comments on videos where the uploader is too lazy to delete comments?
 
2014-08-16 09:04:17 AM  
"Greivious"
/pet peeve
 
2014-08-16 09:09:26 AM  
tl;dr:  if you don't want to be formal then don't worry about grammar nazis

I'm shocked that a linguist would use so many words to get his point across.
 
2014-08-16 09:12:15 AM  
As an English teacher for business students I am definitely a descriptivist (I enjoy how my browser highlighted that as a typo and suggested prescriptivist as an alternative).  Business people trying to learn a new language need to learn how it is used - not how it ought to be used.  Grammar is a tool to aid communication, but is secondary to the ability to communicate in the first place. 

I have seen a lot of textbooks that try to teach and drill students on the definitions of the various grammatical rules "Review:  when is present perfect progressive used?"  That is utterly useless.  Students can be taught organically how to use grammar without ever knowing the names of the rules or even being aware that they're drilling grammar in the first place.  It's far more effective and far more likely to stick. 

Most of my students were taught English as a second language in public school using ancient drill techniques from the 19th century.  It's generally required to undo the damage their educations caused at the same time as teaching new material.  They might be able to ace a grammar quiz, but when they can barely answer a question or form sentences longer than four or five words they can't communicate effectively.  The study of natural English is much more practical and far more useful than the study of textbook English.
 
2014-08-16 09:13:53 AM  

ginandbacon: KingKauff: Summoner101: ginandbacon: Summoner101: No oxford comma?

LIST FAILS!

Would you like some help understanding the difference between grammar and punctuation?

Hook, line and sinker.

Go easy on GAB. She ain't all there

Some one get me a g'ddamn Irish coffee STAT. I obviously need my medicine.


You'd need a lot more than one
 
2014-08-16 09:18:07 AM  
I wish I had a rolled up newspaper right now, and a known location of at least 2 acquaintances and a handful of teachers/professors, so I could go and smack them on their noses in response to all those years of their illogical obsession with these grammatical rules and their sadistic/manipulative means of forcing people to adhere to said grammatical rules.

You can't start a sentence with a conjunction. That's not a thing anymore. Also, eat a bowl of dicks.
Where are the keys at? Don't end a sentence with a preposition. Okay, Where are the keys at, you insipid twunt?

I also had a professor that actually put failing grades on papers if someone didn't properly use "that" and "which" to her prescribed standards. It was a mathematics class where the minutia of irrelevant grammatical rules was for the most part unimportant.
 
2014-08-16 09:22:22 AM  
There's an Outland comic about dangling prepositions. I believe it has Milquetoast the cockroach in it. I wish I could find it.

And, off topic, you never leave out the Oxford Comma; not unless you want to watch some really ugly strippers.
 
2014-08-16 09:26:47 AM  
This article begs the question...
 
2014-08-16 09:32:17 AM  
media.npr.org
 
2014-08-16 09:38:12 AM  
How does one break an error, subby?
 
2014-08-16 09:38:32 AM  

Pattuq: The study of natural English is much more practical and far more useful than the study of textbook English.


Especially when it seems that half the rules of the textbook were created by people attempting to turn English into Latin.

/ain't nobody got time for that pedantery
 
2014-08-16 09:40:26 AM  
Writers wont be happy until we abandon this dreadful vulgar tongue called English and acquire the beautiful educated tongue called Latin
 
2014-08-16 09:41:23 AM  
I am beyond your petty laws of language.

I AM TRANSCENDANT!
 
2014-08-16 09:43:54 AM  
I believe that the famed grammarian Lil Jon has something to say about this.

(Also, I'm a huge Steven Pinker fan.)

(By which I mean I'm huge, and I'm a Steven Pinker fan.)
 
2014-08-16 09:49:32 AM  
Steven Pinker gives my brain a boner.
 
2014-08-16 09:50:57 AM  
I'm surprised the article didn't mention "should of."
 
2014-08-16 09:50:58 AM  
I stopped worrying so much about dangling prepositions the day my first German teacher offhandedly pointed out that many were secretly just part of separable verbs. English speakers had forgotten that we had these verbs with prepositions built in, even as we preserved special rules for them.

Notice that you hand in the paper, but you hand it in. Why the special word order rule except that we have a special construction? It has to be parsed as a transitive verb "hand in" and direct object "paper/it", not an intransitive "hand" and a prepositional "in the paper".

So go ahead and worry about dangling prepositions - but only if you recognize when they're really prepositions.

"Where's the grave that she was buried in?"
 
2014-08-16 09:53:19 AM  
What has Hitler's proofreader got to do with this?
 
2014-08-16 09:55:57 AM  
i hate grammer nazi's their the worst of the internet no-it-all's.
 
2014-08-16 09:56:01 AM  

tarheel07: I'm surprised the article didn't mention "should of."


Because the article was about grammatical "mistakes" that aren't really mistakes.
 
2014-08-16 09:58:01 AM  
Farkers will bristle about people who correct grammar and spelling but mock self-esteem issues.  Not a  direct contradiction, but close.
 
2014-08-16 09:59:49 AM  
Also, a Grammar Nazi video.
 
2014-08-16 10:03:08 AM  

RobSeace: How does one break an error, subby?


Yer can break an error if'n yer don't know how ta shert wit a bow.
 
2014-08-16 10:06:28 AM  
I like to end my sentences with ellipses. But not all the time ...
 
2014-08-16 10:07:43 AM  
Also, this is a fun book:

img1.imagesbn.com
 
2014-08-16 10:10:58 AM  

ReverendJasen: Pattuq: The study of natural English is much more practical and far more useful than the study of textbook English.

Especially when it seems that half the rules of the textbook were created by people attempting to turn English into Latin.


Exactly.  English is this big mishmash of every language ever and you can't apply the rules that way without things getting awkward.  We don't convert loanwords to usage standards the way it's done in other languages, we just use the word or phrase, and then hack it further.  Which, IMO, is why etymology is such a fascinating subject and I think is essential to learning English well.  To know how to use a word, you need to know its history.

"English is flexible, not like a gymnast, but like a man with every bone in his body broken."
 
2014-08-16 10:11:15 AM  
Although I get it, that headline still made my brain hurt.
 
2014-08-16 10:11:35 AM  
I'm not even a native English speaker, but I want to crucify the submitter. Grammar nazis of  the world unite!
 
2014-08-16 10:11:51 AM  
Has this so-called language expert never heard the phrase "less is more"?

Get a clue, Tolstoy.
 
2014-08-16 10:19:05 AM  

tarheel07: I'm surprised the article didn't mention "should of."


Because that's always a horrific and unforgivable transgression... That's not disobeying an arbitrary rule of grammar; that's completely misunderstanding the words that you're using, and substituting a homonym for the contracted 've of "have", which makes absolutely zero sense in its place...
 
2014-08-16 10:21:17 AM  
The Irresponsible Captain:

And, off topic, you never leave out the Oxford Comma; not unless you want to watch some really ugly strippers.

No.  You only include a serial comma if it is necessary for clarity or avoiding ugly strippers.
 
2014-08-16 10:24:03 AM  
The best thing about know how to, and when to, use English correctly, is knowing how best to break the rules.
 
2014-08-16 10:27:53 AM  

MNguy: No. You only include a serial comma if it is necessary for clarity or avoiding ugly strippers.


I would argue that it's always necessary... It certainly never detracts from the clarity, and usually improves it, so why not always use it? It looks better, it reads better, and it just is better!

/So says the regular elipses abuser...
 
2014-08-16 10:30:03 AM  
'Nazi' should be capitalized, you looser's.
 
2014-08-16 10:31:37 AM  

RobSeace: MNguy: No. You only include a serial comma if it is necessary for clarity or avoiding ugly strippers.

I would argue that it's always necessary... It certainly never detracts from the clarity, and usually improves it, so why not always use it? It looks better, it reads better, and it just is better!

/So says the regular elipses abuser...


In newspapers, column inches are limited.  In order to save space it's always best to use as few typestrokes as needed.

/off my lawn
 
2014-08-16 10:33:52 AM  
I'm okay with executing everyone who begins all their sentences with "so".
 
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