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(NJ.com)   Iraq vet claims Six Flags denied him entrance because of the patriotic, pro-Marine shirt he was wearing. The shirt, by the way, was just a picture of an assault rifle with the phrase "keep calm and return fire" below it   (nj.com ) divider line
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2014-08-16 01:56:27 AM  
What a goof bag.

He supposedly has PTSD, yet wears a shirt to help remind him of the war?
I've known veterans that were involved in  every conflict from world war one (my grandfather) on, and not a single one that was in the real thick of it will mention it EVER.

If you can get two sentences out of them about it you're lucky.

The guy's wife and kid were crying?
I don't think emotional stability is that family's strong point.

The guy could have...I don't know. Turned the shirt inside out?
 
2014-08-16 07:46:02 AM  
Meathead with a dumb expression, covered in tattoos, wearing a wife-beater with an american flag-colored machine gun openly threatening violence.  Why would that make anyone uncomfortable?

/just because you're a veteran doesn't mean you're not also a psychopath
//in fact, the two are probably correlated
 
2014-08-16 07:54:56 AM  
Those children are doomed.
 
2014-08-16 08:27:30 AM  
Isn't this pretty much a "thing" at a lot amusement parks and the like these days, this business of being restrictive of what I suppose you could call the editorial content of visitors' clothing? I don't think this guy was particularly interested in trying to make a statement, but if -- and this may or may not be a very big "if" -- if they're fairly evenhanded in enforcing it, he doesn't have much of a beef. The trend seems a bit silly and over-cautious, but it's their call.
 
2014-08-16 08:34:40 AM  
"Keep calm and carry on" is British. This is like an American patriotic riff on "mind the gap".


/all these "keep calm and..." Are stupid
 
2014-08-16 08:46:44 AM  
I'm fairly stunned the article didn't mention "freedom of speech," but I didn't read the comments -- never, ever, ever read the comments.
 
2014-08-16 09:15:01 AM  
I guess all his USMC t-shirts were at the cleaners.
 
2014-08-16 09:15:27 AM  
Six Flags is a ripoff anyway.
 
2014-08-16 09:15:54 AM  

dookdookdook: Meathead with a dumb expression, covered in tattoos, wearing a wife-beater with an american flag-colored machine gun openly threatening violence.  Why would that make anyone uncomfortable?

/just because you're a veteran doesn't mean you're not also a psychopath
//in fact, the two are probably correlated


Most of the Marines I've met are morons, I think the USMC goes out of their way to select for sub-100 IQs.
 
2014-08-16 09:17:22 AM  
We support our troops... unless they're wearing something that reminds us that they shoot people.
 
2014-08-16 09:19:12 AM  
FTFA:  "I was walking in through the gate with my wife and kids, who were in front of me, when a security guard grabbed me and said: 'I can't let you into the park with that shirt on. That shirt's offensive,'" Alejandro said on Tuesday. "I said that it's not offensive, it's a military shirt. I told him that I am an Iraq veteran... I served in the war. But he said: 'I don't care, you have to take that off... or you need to buy another shirt to put over it.'"

Now what do we want to bet that this is not a direct quote, but in fact, this meatball's interpretation of what was said?  More likely, it was something along the lines of "Your shirt violates the park rules of clothing with offensive language or advocating violence."
 
2014-08-16 09:20:53 AM  
That T might be appropriate at any of the military service academies.... can visualise w/o viewing submit.  Medically Unable to have Served My Country militarily, btw.
 
2014-08-16 09:24:37 AM  
Eh, I agreed with the guy other than the one line where he said "the shirt means nothing."  If the shirt meant nothing, then why raise all the fuss.

It also read "return fire" and not "shoot everyone."  I'm uncertain why this would cause anyone to clutch their pearls.

I don't even like guns.  He had the right to wear it, but the park has the right to enforce dress code on private property.  Their right trumps his right, it's their property.
 
2014-08-16 09:24:49 AM  
FTFA:  "I was walking in through the gate with my wife and kids, who were in front of me, when a security guard grabbed me and said: 'I can't let you into the park with that shirt on. That shirt's offensive,'" Alejandro said on Tuesday. "I said that it's not offensive, it's a military shirt. I told him that I am an Iraq veteran... I served in the war.

What a military t-shirt may look like:

oi62.tinypic.com
 
2014-08-16 09:26:39 AM  
Marine Todd went to Six Flags over Texas, because Disneyland is where all the gays go, but was told by a Jewish-looking ticket taker who had glasses and some pimples also that he couldn't go in because of his shirt.  "No" said Marine Todd.  "It is you who cannot go anywhere."  Then he ripped the picture of the fully modded M4A1 off of his shirt and it turned into a real rifle.  He took aim at the ticket taker and said "I'm going in the park."  The ticket taker said "Hail Obama" so Marine Todd shot him 6 times, before turning and firing on some Ebola carrying illegal immigrant Muslims who were sneaking up on him to give him the AIDS.  3 women fell in love with him and his big glistening gun, and he did it with all of them on the Batman ride.  9 months later they gave birth to 3 babies named Freedom, Justice, and Honor.
 
2014-08-16 09:27:33 AM  
Two questions:

1. When did you stop beating your wife?

2. Why would you endanger your family by taking them into Six Flags?
 
2014-08-16 09:28:08 AM  
It's offensive because it's ugly. But you go on to complaining to the media that Six Flags made your wife and kids cry. What a jackass.
 
2014-08-16 09:28:33 AM  

Witness99: Dude should be banned from the park for being a big, heavy guy in a tank top. Do you really want to be stuck armpit level behind him in an hour long line on a hot, sweaty, August day?


Apparently you have never been to a Six Flags park.
 
2014-08-16 09:28:37 AM  

Close2TheEdge: FTFA:  "I was walking in through the gate with my wife and kids, who were in front of me, when a security guard grabbed me and said: 'I can't let you into the park with that shirt on. That shirt's offensive,'" Alejandro said on Tuesday. "I said that it's not offensive, it's a military shirt. I told him that I am an Iraq veteran... I served in the war. But he said: 'I don't care, you have to take that off... or you need to buy another shirt to put over it.'"

Now what do we want to bet that this is not a direct quote, but in fact, this meatball's interpretation of what was said?  More likely, it was something along the lines of "Your shirt violates the park rules of clothing with offensive language or advocating violence."


This. He'd probably also shot a couple of people in the parking lot, but didn't mention them because he figured that was a normal way to act if you see someone leaving their car parked across white lines.
 
2014-08-16 09:29:18 AM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: I'm fairly stunned the article didn't mention "freedom of speech," but I didn't read the comments -- never, ever, ever read the comments.

Crap...

 
2014-08-16 09:31:33 AM  
Getting a little sick of veterans expecting special treatment and pulling the veteran "I fought for my country so I should be able to do what I want" card.

/vet
 
2014-08-16 09:33:44 AM  

Fissile: dookdookdook: Meathead with a dumb expression, covered in tattoos, wearing a wife-beater with an american flag-colored machine gun openly threatening violence.  Why would that make anyone uncomfortable?

/just because you're a veteran doesn't mean you're not also a psychopath
//in fact, the two are probably correlated

Most of the Marines I've met are morons, I think the USMC goes out of their way to select for sub-100 IQs.


Dude you are in Hoboken....most of the PEOPLE within 50 miles of you are morons.

/stay away from mirrors
 
2014-08-16 09:33:49 AM  

TommyymmoT: He supposedly has PTSD, yet wears a shirt to help remind him of the war?
I've known veterans that were involved in  every conflict from world war one (my grandfather) on, and not a single one that was in the real thick of it will mention it EVER.

If you can get two sentences out of them about it you're lucky.



Not saying this dude isn't a complete moron (he is) but not everyone has the same reaction to combat. I know a few Iraq vets (some from the first time around, some from the second) and they don't have issues talking about it. It just didn't bother them overly much. You have to remember that stress like combat affects different people differently. What is traumatic to someone is unproblematic to another. Like how my mom will faint at the sight of a small cut, but a paramedic can deal with a decapitated body as just another day on the job. Also the combat experience is different for different people. Some people have some really horrific experiences, others don't experience anything nearly as severe.

This is particularly true in more recent conflicts. In the first Iraq go 'round there were plenty of soldiers that saw no combat. They rolled in after thing has already went down and just helped with the clean up. One of the guys I work with is like that. He was EOD, and pretty much they just dealt with destroying surplus munitions and occasionally unexploded ordnance. His unit was never in a firefight or anything.

Just saying you can't gauge how someone will react to something like combat.
 
2014-08-16 09:34:07 AM  
I fought to protect this country, therefore I've earned the right to decide when I should abide by laws and regulations

Sort of wraps up the sentiment of a lot of military folks...
 
2014-08-16 09:34:53 AM  
Here is the Six Flags Code Of Conduct:

The Six Flags Guest Code of Conduct Six Flags' goal is to provide entertainment to guests of all ages in a fun and safe environment appropriate for children and families.

To encourage all our guests to be considerate of other guests, they are required to comply with the following rules for expected guest conduct.

Behavior: All guests are expected to behave in an appropriate family- friendly manner. Unruly, disruptive or offensive behavior, including line- jumping/holding places in line is strictly prohibited and will not be tolerated. Violations of this policy may be cause for ejection from the park without refund.

Dress Code: In keeping with our family-friendly atmosphere, and for health and safety reasons, Six Flags strictly enforces a dress code. Proper attire must be worn in the park at all times, including shirts and appropriate footwear. Clothing with rude, vulgar or offensive language or graphics is not permitted at any time (shirts cannot be turned inside out as a solution). Bathing suits may be worn only in waterpark areas. Park admission may be denied if clothing is deemed by management to be inappropriate.

Language: Guests using profanity or abusive language, symbols or gestures may be ejected from the park without refund.

Park policy compliance: Guest safety is our top priority. In addition to the Six Flags Guest Code of Conduct, guests are required to comply with all local, state and federal laws as well as individual park policies, rules and instructions posted or otherwise listed. Six Flags, Inc. is the world's largest regional theme park company. Founded in 1961, Six Flags is celebrating its 45th Anniversary in 2006. Six Flags, Inc. is a publicly-traded corporation headquartered in New York City.
 
2014-08-16 09:35:00 AM  
"My wife and my son were crying, because they didn't understand why this was happening," he said. "I just told my son to remember this day. To remember how they treat veterans."

"Son, wife, also remember how important your happiness is to your dad/husband even when he isn't drunk and beating you."
 
2014-08-16 09:35:14 AM  

Literally Addicted: It's offensive because it's ugly. But you go on to complaining to the media that Six Flags made your wife and kids cry. What a jackass.


These are the people "protecting our freedom." They need the media to take care of their crying families, and can't do anything but lose their shiat over being asked to change their shiat at an amusement park.

Honestly, who wouldn't either (a) turn their shirt inside out if they needed to go that bad or (b) say "okay, well, here's the amount of money you're losing over something stupid" and leave.  I'm more in the (b) camp, because if someone wants to tell me what to wear, screw them. But the media? Seriously?
 
2014-08-16 09:37:20 AM  
The Six Flags Great Adventure dress code policy as stated:

DRESS CODE

In keeping with our family-friendly atmosphere, and for health and safety reasons, Six Flags strictly enforces a dress code. Proper attire must be worn at all times, including shirts and appropriate footwear. Clothing with rude, vulgar or offensive language or graphics is not permitted, and shirts cannot be turned inside-out as a solution. Bathing suits may be worn only in water park areas. Park admission may be denied if clothing is deemed by management to be inappropriate.


That's a pretty standard policy as far as amusement parks go.  This guy just wants something for nothing, while invoking the "I'm a vet" clause.  Just because you served for our country doesn't mean you get to act like an asshole.
 
2014-08-16 09:37:44 AM  

Ivandrago: Getting a little sick of veterans expecting special treatment and pulling the veteran "I fought for my country so I should be able to do what I want" card.

/vet


Thanks for your service.  But yeah, technically you also fought for the right of the amusement park to set rules on their own property.  It can't all be about "me."
 
2014-08-16 09:37:47 AM  
GUN NUT imagines his rights are being violated? How unusual.
 
2014-08-16 09:42:49 AM  

sycraft: Not saying this dude isn't a complete moron (he is)... <snip>


The stupid is very, very strong with this one. He hasn't been in the army since 2007 so I think it's probably genetic.
 
2014-08-16 09:44:02 AM  

dookdookdook: Meathead with a dumb expression, covered in tattoos, wearing a wife-beater with an american flag-colored machine gun openly threatening violence.  Why would that make anyone uncomfortable?

/just because you're a veteran doesn't mean you're not also a psychopath
//in fact, the two are probably correlated


It's sad that people actually think like this.  While PTSD is a serious issue after 13 years of modern war fare, most service members do not not have this affliction but are denied jobs because the general populace thinks that they must have it because the media (TFA is a perfect example) tells them so.
 
2014-08-16 09:48:00 AM  
Around Halloween few years ago, my partner and I got free tickets to La Ronde, the Six Flags park in Montreal. As I was killing myself with a cigarette, I happened to notice that in the large fake cemetary I was seated near, every headstone was for a U.S. serviceman, mostly Vietnam era. Probably the artist had just copied some tombstones from the net at random but I was surprised at myself for being slightly offended.
 
2014-08-16 09:48:40 AM  

dookdookdook: Meathead with a dumb expression, covered in tattoos, wearing a wife-beater with an american flag-colored machine gun openly threatening violence.  Why would that make anyone uncomfortable?

/just because you're a veteran doesn't mean you're not also a psychopath
//in fact, the two are probably correlated


Most of the guys I knew joined for college money or to get out of their small dead end town. Some joined for adventure. A very small number joined just so they could kill people. I was in Infantry which makes it more understandable that there would be that guy. I'm sure in other MOSs, no one joined because they wanted to kill people. Not everyone in the military actually engages in combat, In fact, most do not. Most of the military is support staff that exists only to support the 10% who are in the infantry.
 
2014-08-16 09:49:29 AM  

Fissile: dookdookdook: Meathead with a dumb expression, covered in tattoos, wearing a wife-beater with an american flag-colored machine gun openly threatening violence.  Why would that make anyone uncomfortable?

/just because you're a veteran doesn't mean you're not also a psychopath
//in fact, the two are probably correlated

Most of the Marines I've met are morons, I think the USMC goes out of their way to select for sub-100 IQs.


You've obviously never met a marine officer.
 
2014-08-16 09:51:32 AM  
So naturally, TFA shows the back of the shirt.
 
2014-08-16 09:51:40 AM  

The Voice of Doom: "My wife and my son were crying, because they didn't understand why this was happening," he said. "I just told my son to remember this day. To remember how they treat veterans."

"Son, wife, also remember how important your happiness is to your dad/husband even when he isn't drunk and beating you."


Jesus.  At that point, I'd have just given them all free t-shirts just to shut them up.

Crying.  Over a t-shirt.
 
2014-08-16 09:52:30 AM  

Ivandrago: Getting a little sick of veterans expecting special treatment and pulling the veteran "I fought for my country so I should be able to do what I want" card.

/vet


Ya mean, like, every cop and fireman from every town in America wants to called a 'hero'?

/I'm with ya there. They shoulda handed out badges...or, at least, participation trophies.
//The 'vet' should have to spend more than two weeks in the military before they can play the 'vet' card...like my Bro-in-lawr, who wears his cammies proudly, but dinna make it thru Navy boot camp.
 
2014-08-16 09:52:49 AM  
Being an asshole trumps being a veteran.

Farking crybaby, too.
 
2014-08-16 09:54:12 AM  
Marine Core!
 
2014-08-16 09:55:12 AM  

TommyymmoT: What a goof bag.

He supposedly has PTSD, yet wears a shirt to help remind him of the war?
I've known veterans that were involved in  every conflict from world war one (my grandfather) on, and not a single one that was in the real thick of it will mention it EVER.

If you can get two sentences out of them about it you're lucky.



Grandfather fought in ww2, and before he passed on, he never once spoke of the war.  All I know is what I learned from my mother, and even she knew very, very little.  So I would tend to agree with you.
 
2014-08-16 09:55:16 AM  
Nina_Hartley's_Ass

"GUN NUT imagines his rights are being violated? How unusual."

Veteran = Gun Nut. Impeccable logic. Define Gun Nut please?
 
2014-08-16 09:55:58 AM  

johnny_vegas: Fissile: dookdookdook: Meathead with a dumb expression, covered in tattoos, wearing a wife-beater with an american flag-colored machine gun openly threatening violence.  Why would that make anyone uncomfortable?

/just because you're a veteran doesn't mean you're not also a psychopath
//in fact, the two are probably correlated

Most of the Marines I've met are morons, I think the USMC goes out of their way to select for sub-100 IQs.

Dude you are in Hoboken....most of the PEOPLE within 50 miles of you are morons.

/stay away from mirrors


Hoboken:  Median family income is $121,614 -- 59% of residents have a bachelors or higher.

San Diego: Median family income is $63,990  -- 41.4% of residents have a bachelors or higher.

Census Bureau, how does it work?
 
2014-08-16 09:56:39 AM  

PanicMan: Jesus. At that point, I'd have just given them all free t-shirts just to shut them up.

Crying. Over a t-shirt.


Why give them what they want for throwing a crying temper tantrum? People learn that doesn't work when they are two-year-olds (or at least they used to)...

Besides, the new shirts wouldn't have helped because he is a veteran, 'Murica, guns, Jesus, etc etc. If they had relented and said "fine, wear the shirt," he'd still have gone to the media because they took a while 7 minutes off their time in the park by even discussing the shirt. Some people just can't help themselves.

Imagine if we all went to the media every time we were "offended" or inconvenienced.
 
2014-08-16 09:57:57 AM  
Six Flags is a private corporation, they can kick out whomever they want, if they feel it is a disruption.

Isn't that what you free-market teabagger assholes are always yelling about?  The rights of corporate entities?

Since we're on the subject, let's talk about "Christian" bakeries refusing to make cakes for gay couples.
 
2014-08-16 09:58:35 AM  
Thank you for your service...

Now stop being a dick.
 
2014-08-16 09:58:39 AM  

Fissile: dookdookdook: Meathead with a dumb expression, covered in tattoos, wearing a wife-beater with an american flag-colored machine gun openly threatening violence.  Why would that make anyone uncomfortable?

/just because you're a veteran doesn't mean you're not also a psychopath
//in fact, the two are probably correlated

Most of the Marines I've met are morons, I think the USMC goes out of their way to select for sub-100 IQs.


One of the things to always, always keep in mind when dealing with a Marine or former Marine is that in order to BE a Marine he must be of a mentality that honestly believes that he can run up an empty beach and successfully take a machine gun away from someone who is shooting it at him.
 
2014-08-16 09:59:21 AM  

Sudlow: "GUN NUT imagines his rights are being violated? How unusual."

Veteran = Gun Nut. Impeccable logic. Define Gun Nut please?


The shirt described is far more typical of the guys who are worried that Obama is coming for their guns so they better go secure the Mexican border before Eric Holden gives them Mexican Ebola than someone who just happened to serve in the armed forces, and you know it.
 
2014-08-16 09:59:47 AM  

GDubDub: Fissile: dookdookdook: Meathead with a dumb expression, covered in tattoos, wearing a wife-beater with an american flag-colored machine gun openly threatening violence.  Why would that make anyone uncomfortable?

/just because you're a veteran doesn't mean you're not also a psychopath
//in fact, the two are probably correlated

Most of the Marines I've met are morons, I think the USMC goes out of their way to select for sub-100 IQs.

You've obviously never met a marine officer.


Just enlisted knuckleheads........'knuckleheads' is being kind.
 
2014-08-16 10:00:22 AM  

Fissile: johnny_vegas: Fissile: dookdookdook: Meathead with a dumb expression, covered in tattoos, wearing a wife-beater with an american flag-colored machine gun openly threatening violence.  Why would that make anyone uncomfortable?

/just because you're a veteran doesn't mean you're not also a psychopath
//in fact, the two are probably correlated

Most of the Marines I've met are morons, I think the USMC goes out of their way to select for sub-100 IQs.

Dude you are in Hoboken....most of the PEOPLE within 50 miles of you are morons.

/stay away from mirrors

Hoboken:  Median family income is $121,614 -- 59% of residents have a bachelors or higher.

San Diego: Median family income is $63,990  -- 41.4% of residents have a bachelors or higher.

Census Bureau, how does it work?


What???? You mean generalizations and sensationalistic statements could be wrong????
I would still stay away from mirrors if I were you.
/enjoy your port of call
 
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