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2014-08-16 01:10:30 AM
Yeah, I mean, any innocent person would totally go into a car that's not theirs and steal stuff out of it. These cops and their arresting of criminals... makes me sick, I tell ya...
 
2014-08-16 01:24:37 AM
Oh yeah subby?

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"Listen to me, you gutter-mouth punk! I've dealt with you before, and every time I did, it took me a month to wash off the filth. I'll tell you what you did to that four-year old girl out in Westlake Park: you staked out a bench like you've always done. You bought a sack of penny candy; you waited until the right little girl came along...You got her in your car. She started to cry; you hit her across the mouth twice. You cut her lip with your ring. Knocked out three of her teeth. And then you know what you did to her... Now, I didn't say that, Subby, you did. That's exactly what you told those officers who arrested you. They advised you of your constitutional rights before you opened your mouth. Now you're trying to tell us you didn't understand. Well, you're a liar... Like every hoodlum since Cain up through Capone, you've learned to hide behind some quirk in the law. And mister, you are a two-bit hoodlum. You've fallen twice for ADW Burglary, three times. Twice for forcible rape; I tagged you for those. And now you've graduated-you've moved to the sewer. You're a child molester. And this isn't the first time. We've had you in here before. And mister, you were guilty then and you're guilty now!"
 
2014-08-16 05:41:39 AM

That Guy What Stole the Bacon: Yeah, I mean, any innocent person would totally go into a car that's not theirs and steal stuff out of it. These cops and their arresting of criminals... makes me sick, I tell ya...


I don't think people object to the arresting.  But 5 years in prison for $4?  that's a bit excessive.
 
2014-08-16 06:37:55 AM
I once had about $2.50 in change stolen from my car. And no, I didn't want the guy to get 5 years in prison for my soda money.

But they should have locked him up and tossed the key for the $1500 damage he did to the door and window to get the $2.50
 
2014-08-16 07:38:46 AM
Land of the free, biatches!

Incarceration rate per 100,000

Russia: 470
Cuba: 510
North Korea: 600-800 estimated
United States: 707

mr_a: But they should have locked him up and tossed the key for the $1500 damage he did to the door and window to get the $2.50


That's why you have to be considerate and leave the window open for the thief like I did.
 
2014-08-16 07:38:57 AM
I gotta say, I don't have a lot of pity for this guy. Break into a car, whether it is with the intent to steal the car, steal something from the car, or just to damage the car, and you deserve to go to jail. It isn't up to me to determine what the sentence should be, that's for the Judge to decide. In this case, they gave the perp five long years. And I'm okay with that.
 
2014-08-16 07:40:53 AM
Funny, if I leave my car unlocked and valuables (if you can count 4 bucks that) visible, then it's my own farking fault if things get stolen.
 
2014-08-16 07:41:00 AM
It was his third conviction.  Before telling us he got a year for each $1.25, the writer of TFA should tell us how much time he did for the other two.  Not saying that 3 strikes laws work well, just sayin.
 
2014-08-16 07:42:20 AM

Ambivalence: That Guy What Stole the Bacon: Yeah, I mean, any innocent person would totally go into a car that's not theirs and steal stuff out of it. These cops and their arresting of criminals... makes me sick, I tell ya...

I don't think people object to the arresting.  But 5 years in prison for $4?  that's a bit excessive.


He got 5 years (3 suspended), because this wasn't the first, or the second time he's done something like this.  It was the third.  If they had stuck 4 $100 dollar bills in the cup holder, or put a $2000 gaming laptop in the car to be stolen, would you feel better?  Don't take shiat that isn't yours, and you won't go to jail.
 
2014-08-16 07:44:46 AM
Repeat offender. IT was his third conviction. Who knows how many times he's actually been arrested. I'd be willing to bet more than three times though. The guy is a farking menace
 
2014-08-16 07:45:49 AM

dookdookdook: Land of the free, biatches!

Incarceration rate per 100,000

Russia: 470
Cuba: 510
North Korea: 600-800 estimated
United States: 707

mr_a: But they should have locked him up and tossed the key for the $1500 damage he did to the door and window to get the $2.50

That's why you have to be considerate and leave the window open for the thief like I did.


Totalitarian states SHOULD have less incarceration because they can do whatever they want to prevent criminal activity and devote huge resources to controlling the population outside of prisons.
 
2014-08-16 07:47:56 AM
devildog123:He got 5 years (3 suspended), because this wasn't the first, or the second time he's done something like this.  It was the third.   If they had stuck 4 $100 dollar bills in the cup holder, or put a $2000 gaming laptop in the car to be stolen, would you feel better?  Don't take shiat that isn't yours, and you won't go to jail.

Yeah, as a matter of fact.

/Trolling police be trolling
 
2014-08-16 07:48:05 AM
The concept of bait cars is what I don't like.

And only using dollar bills... Well that's just cheap.
 
2014-08-16 07:50:30 AM

lucksi: Funny, if I leave my car unlocked and valuables (if you can count 4 bucks that) visible, then it's my own farking fault if things get stolen.


That's how I feel also. Same way I feel about the idiots that leave iPhones laying any and everywhere.
 
2014-08-16 07:51:26 AM
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2014-08-16 07:53:32 AM
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I know that feel, bro
 
2014-08-16 07:53:36 AM
It'd be OK with me if we just took a couple of his fingers instead.
 
2014-08-16 07:56:36 AM

devildog123: He got 5 years (3 suspended), because this wasn't the first, or the second time he's done something like this. It was the third. If they had stuck 4 $100 dollar bills in the cup holder, or put a $2000 gaming laptop in the car to be stolen, would you feel better? Don't take shiat that isn't yours, and you won't go to jail.


No matter what neighborhood you live in, if leave that much valuables in your car, I wouldn't feel bad if a redwood fell on top of it.
 
2014-08-16 07:58:53 AM
Punk stole $4. Judge sentenced punk to 5 years. Article says punk got 1 year for each $1.25 he stole. Punk should've got 3 years and some change. It's too early for math.
 
2014-08-16 07:59:26 AM

FirstNationalBastard: The concept of bait cars is what I don't like.

And only using dollar bills... Well that's just cheap.


How are Bait Cars a problem? They aren't forcing anyone to steal them, after all. Anyone who is stupid enough to break into and/or steal a car gets what they deserve, should that car happen to be a rolling police sting operation.

Don't. Steal. Shiate.

It's a pretty simple concept, really. If someone steals, they might get caught. I have no sympathy for them if they do.
 
2014-08-16 07:59:26 AM

dookdookdook: Land of the free, biatches!

Incarceration rate per 100,000

Russia: 470
Cuba: 510
North Korea: 600-800 estimated
United States: 707


I think it's safe to say that the entirety of North Korea is incarcerated, save a select few.
 
2014-08-16 07:59:28 AM
I knew before I clicked the link - another three strikes case. Worst idea ever, and most smart people realize it at this point - but no politician has the guts to say anything.
Well, let's enjoy our astronomically expensive prisons full of geriatric petty criminals, while murderers freely roam the streets, cut loose due to overcrowding.

In Cell A, we have Julio Del Muerte - a 187th Streeter who has served two of the fifteen years he is doing for gunning down a rival in a gunfight at the Kwik-E-Mart (first conviction - manslaughter).

In Cell B: we have Joe Wino, who is serving a life sentence under Three Strikes for the three property felonies he committed to get booze money - all non violent thefts.

Federal judge says the jail is overcrowded.
Guess who walks?
 
2014-08-16 08:05:12 AM

FirstNationalBastard: The concept of bait cars is what I don't like.

And only using dollar bills... Well that's just cheap.


Meh...stealing shiat from cars is usually a crime of opportunity. The thief/thieves pick an area that's not known for high crime (and a supermarket parking lot would be that) and hit a whole bunch of cars at once. They don't mess around with jimmying locks or breaking windows as much as they used to. Anybody who left their car unlocked gets victimized - so if that's what the cops used their bait car for, I have no problem with it.

TFA, as is common for local newspapers who can't be arsed to put the stuff that wouldn't fit in print up on the online version, is short on detail.

But looking elsewhere, regarding his prior convictions? Grand larceny with a firearm, plus entering a house to commit assault. And a couple probation violations. Yeah, he's a habitual asshat. Off to jail with you,  neck-tattoo asshat camo douche-boy.
 
2014-08-16 08:05:52 AM
Could be worse..The cops attempting to arrest him could have shot him multiple times over it...

/too soon?
 
2014-08-16 08:07:23 AM
The whole exercise seems like an utter waste of time and money. Publicly biatchslap, literally (hire an experienced pimp and everything), every single person involved, maybe biatchslap the perp four or five times, then cancel the program. Low hanging fruit doesn't even begin to describe setting up a sting operation to imprison a nonviolent petty thief for an absurd amount of time and at great expense. Make those lazy farks go catch a real criminal and give the perp a half-assed beating. Everyone goes home getting what they deserve.
 
2014-08-16 08:08:05 AM

Ambivalence: That Guy What Stole the Bacon: Yeah, I mean, any innocent person would totally go into a car that's not theirs and steal stuff out of it. These cops and their arresting of criminals... makes me sick, I tell ya...

I don't think people object to the arresting.  But 5 years in prison for $4?  that's a bit excessive.


Set the trap with the bait you have and are willing to loose. There's a reason we use rubber worms and string-tied flies, after all.

If you were setting up a bait car, would you stick $50 in it? What if the crook got away? Then you're out a criminal and $50. How much should you load a trap with, in your opinion?

Also, it's more the "breaking into cars" thing. Because if he went after a bait car, it's probably not the first he's done, or the last he was prepared to do. I can't honestly come up

Let me put it another way: if he had broken into your car and stolen all your CDs, your phone charger, and the loose change in your ash tray, would you say "oh, it was only $43.84 worth of stuff, let him go."

Ugh, disjointed arguments on a Saturday morning. I need coffee before bleeding hearts.
 
2014-08-16 08:08:05 AM
Now three-strikes laws, those are a completely different animal. Like Mandatory Minimum sentences, I feel that Three Strikes laws take away any real ability for a Judge to rule in an appropriate manner, or to have any leeway in how they rule. They remove much of a judges' ability to allow for mitigating circumstances in a case, and force all criminals to face the same fate, even when that leads to miscarriages of justice.
 
2014-08-16 08:08:07 AM

MmmmBacon: FirstNationalBastard: The concept of bait cars is what I don't like.

And only using dollar bills... Well that's just cheap.

How are Bait Cars a problem? They aren't forcing anyone to steal them, after all. Anyone who is stupid enough to break into and/or steal a car gets what they deserve, should that car happen to be a rolling police sting operation.

Don't. Steal. Shiate.

It's a pretty simple concept, really. If someone steals, they might get caught. I have no sympathy for them if they do.


No sympathy for the thief either.  But I do have some sympathy for my fellow taxpayers; Three Strikes laws tend to be idiotic.  This sentence is excessive, and we'll be paying for his incarceration for longer than we should.

Now, if the local prison actually offered some vocational training, so he could be less of a useless shiatbird when he got out, that'd be different.  I'd be willing for some of my tax dollars to go there.  But it's unlikely; we're all about retribution, not rehabilitation, these days.
 
2014-08-16 08:08:32 AM
Five years is a bit much, but I don't object to a felony conviction. If you'd commit a crime over a measly four bucks, you're not doing it to get your heat turned back on, you're doing it because you'll take advantage of any opportunity you find regardless of the balance of risk and reward.
 
2014-08-16 08:08:38 AM

mr_a: I once had about $2.50 in change stolen from my car. And no, I didn't want the guy to get 5 years in prison for my soda money.

But they should have locked him up and tossed the key for the $1500 damage he did to the door and window to get the $2.50


This is why I don't lock my car doors. Replacing my glass is much more expensive than anything you are going to steal out of it. If you are good enough to hotwire it in anyway locking my door isn't going to stop you.

/please don't break my glass
//I can buy new sunglasses
 
2014-08-16 08:08:45 AM
Cool. Our weekly liberal wealth redistribution advocacy thread is early enough for me to get a hike in later and still participate.
 
2014-08-16 08:09:26 AM
Also, that guy kind of reminds me of my idiot methhead cousin. I'm sure there were other, more serious crimes he could have been charged with once they got their hands on him.
 
2014-08-16 08:09:28 AM
I don't want to go all sharia and cut off anyone's hand but maybe we could make they get some sort of visible tattoo on their hands or necks so we could immediately recognize them for the scum they are.
 
2014-08-16 08:09:46 AM

jso2897: In Cell A, we have Julio Del Muerte - a 187th Streeter who has served two of the fifteen years he is doing for gunning down a rival in a gunfight at the Kwik-E-Mart (first conviction - manslaughter).

In Cell B: we have Joe Wino, who is serving a life sentence under Three Strikes for the three property felonies he committed to get booze money - all non violent thefts.

Federal judge says the jail is overcrowded.
Guess who walks?


The contractor with friends in the state capitol who went hugely over budget building a jail with just two cells?
 
2014-08-16 08:12:47 AM
"The man was a thief, a three times offender.  No man is more dangerous.  A three times offender knows his life is forfeit if he is taken.  He will not flinch from any crime, no matter how vile"

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2014-08-16 08:13:42 AM

PunGent: MmmmBacon: FirstNationalBastard: The concept of bait cars is what I don't like.

And only using dollar bills... Well that's just cheap.

How are Bait Cars a problem? They aren't forcing anyone to steal them, after all. Anyone who is stupid enough to break into and/or steal a car gets what they deserve, should that car happen to be a rolling police sting operation.

Don't. Steal. Shiate.

It's a pretty simple concept, really. If someone steals, they might get caught. I have no sympathy for them if they do.

No sympathy for the thief either.  But I do have some sympathy for my fellow taxpayers; Three Strikes laws tend to be idiotic.  This sentence is excessive, and we'll be paying for his incarceration for longer than we should.

Now, if the local prison actually offered some vocational training, so he could be less of a useless shiatbird when he got out, that'd be different.  I'd be willing for some of my tax dollars to go there.  But it's unlikely; we're all about retribution, not rehabilitation, these days.


Indeed. I just recently addressed the Three-Strikes laws issue (I don't like them), and as for rehabilitation, I agree this is needed. But at the same time, even with vocational training, employers need to be given incentives to hire Felons once they are released, as many times it is damn near impossible for a newly-released prisoner to get a job.
 
2014-08-16 08:15:43 AM
So he serves two years costing the tax payers $42,000.00 plus court costs? Where is the justice for the tax payer? But then again, if it would have been in Texas; he might have got life without parole. Technically it was a victimless crime and entrapment using a bait car to lure a destitute homeless guy off the streets at our expence. You know... instead of buying him a hamburger outright, meals and lodging for two years. Lesson learned.
 
2014-08-16 08:17:06 AM

That Guy What Stole the Bacon: Yeah, I mean, any innocent person would totally go into a car that's not theirs and steal stuff out of it. These cops and their arresting of criminals... makes me sick, I tell ya...


Sick?
Maybe you're just choking on STOLEN bacon.
There's nothing worse than a bacon thief.
 
2014-08-16 08:17:09 AM

UseTheForksLuke: So he serves two years costing the tax payers $42,000.00 plus court costs? Where is the justice for the tax payer? But then again, if it would have been in Texas; he might have got life without parole. Technically it was a victimless crime and entrapment using a bait car to lure a destitute homeless guy off the streets at our expence. You know... instead of buying him a hamburger outright, meals and lodging for two years. Lesson learned.


Not that I totally disagree, but simply leaving stuff in an unlocked car is not entrapment.
 
2014-08-16 08:17:43 AM

FirstNationalBastard: The concept of bait cars is what I don't like.


I used to watch that Bait Car show they have on TruTV.  Hilarious at first, but after about 4 episodes it starts to sink in how leaving an empty Escalade with door ajar and key in the ignition is juuuust a tiny bit totally 100% bullshiat entrapment.

Then I checked wikipedia and found that of all the people they ever caught on that show, pretty much every single one had his case laughed out of court by the judge, and my faith in the judicial system was at least restored to it's previous low level.
 
2014-08-16 08:20:47 AM

Gulper Eel: jso2897: In Cell A, we have Julio Del Muerte - a 187th Streeter who has served two of the fifteen years he is doing for gunning down a rival in a gunfight at the Kwik-E-Mart (first conviction - manslaughter).

In Cell B: we have Joe Wino, who is serving a life sentence under Three Strikes for the three property felonies he committed to get booze money - all non violent thefts.

Federal judge says the jail is overcrowded.
Guess who walks?

The contractor with friends in the state capitol who went hugely over budget building a jail with just two cells?


Actually, he doesn't have to walk - he has a limo.
 
2014-08-16 08:21:27 AM

UseTheForksLuke: So he serves two years costing the tax payers $42,000.00 plus court costs? Where is the justice for the tax payer? But then again, if it would have been in Texas; he might have got life without parole. Technically it was a victimless crime and entrapment using a bait car to lure a destitute homeless guy off the streets at our expence. You know... instead of buying him a hamburger outright, meals and lodging for two years. Lesson learned.


It is not Entrapment.

Entrapment would apply if an undercover cop talked the dude into breaking into that car and stealing the money. This was a simple Sting operation, using a Bait Car. Any civilian could modify their own car to record someone who breaks into it, and even modify it to lock via remote control and trap the robber inside. That is not entrapment. It is catching someone in the act of committing a crime, of their own volition.
 
2014-08-16 08:22:16 AM

Ambivalence: That Guy What Stole the Bacon: Yeah, I mean, any innocent person would totally go into a car that's not theirs and steal stuff out of it. These cops and their arresting of criminals... makes me sick, I tell ya...

I don't think people object to the arresting.  But 5 years in prison for $4?  that's a bit excessive.


So if they had put, say, $10,000 in the bait car, you'd be okay with it? The problem isn't the amount, it's the fact that he's willing to take what doesn't belong to him.
 
2014-08-16 08:23:38 AM
If there was $1,000 in the car, but the guy only took $4 because he needed food for his hungry child, this would be a different story. But the gut broke in to take whatever he could. So tough. Not generally a big tough on crime guy, but this is fine by me.
 
2014-08-16 08:24:08 AM

Dictatorial_Flair: UseTheForksLuke: So he serves two years costing the tax payers $42,000.00 plus court costs? Where is the justice for the tax payer? But then again, if it would have been in Texas; he might have got life without parole. Technically it was a victimless crime and entrapment using a bait car to lure a destitute homeless guy off the streets at our expence. You know... instead of buying him a hamburger outright, meals and lodging for two years. Lesson learned.

Not that I totally disagree, but simply leaving stuff in an unlocked car is not entrapment.


I think this kind of thing works as a tactical response to outbreaks of automobile crime in a given area. I wouldn't want to see it become a continual, random thing that becomes a matter of course.
 
2014-08-16 08:24:09 AM
You really have to punish people based on the severity of the potential consequences of their illegal actions. Sure, it's only "speeding", but when you speed, you are putting yourself and other people in danger. Same thing with stealing $4 from somebody's car. Imagine if that hadn't been a bait car. Maybe that was a mother's last $4 that she needed to get her through until her next pay check, and now she's got three hungry kids to feed, and no baby baby daddies to rely on for support. So, she has to go to the streets and pull some tricks to support her family. But then in the process, she contracts HIV and ultimately dies in the arms of her middle son. That middle son bottles up his grief until one day he has an epiphany that he can finally release his inner angst by eliminating all the Jews in the world. What then?

So yeah, needless to say, I think the 5 year prison sentence is a tad lenient considering the number of lives this guy's actions might have put in danger.
 
2014-08-16 08:24:13 AM
I had my car broken into last year, and all that was stolen was the small bag of trash. If the "thief" had been caught, should he have been given no punishment at all, been sent on his way to try robbing again, since the bag of trash was worthless? Living in Baltimore, I'm reminded of the scandal that brought down Mayor Sheila Dixon. She was removed from office after a conviction on embezzlement -- $600 worth of retail store gift cards. Sure, she was guilty of something petty and relatively worthless, but she was still guilty.

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2014-08-16 08:24:30 AM

jjorsett: Ambivalence: That Guy What Stole the Bacon: Yeah, I mean, any innocent person would totally go into a car that's not theirs and steal stuff out of it. These cops and their arresting of criminals... makes me sick, I tell ya...

I don't think people object to the arresting.  But 5 years in prison for $4?  that's a bit excessive.

So if they had put, say, $10,000 in the bait car, you'd be okay with it? The problem isn't the amount, it's the fact that he's willing to take what doesn't belong to him.


I would actually have a problem with that as well, because they would be obviously targeting people who are clinically retarded.
 
2014-08-16 08:25:04 AM
MmmmBacon:

Now, if the local prison actually offered some vocational training, so he could be less of a useless shiatbird when he got out, that'd be different.  I'd be willing for some of my tax dollars to go there.  But it's unlikely; we're all about retribution, not rehabilitation, these days.

Indeed. I just recently addressed the Three-Strikes laws issue (I don't like them), and as for rehabilitation, I agree this is needed. But at the same time, even with vocational training, employers need to be given incentives to hire Felons once they are released, as many times it is damn near impossible for a newly-released prisoner to get a job.


The problem with that is there are plenty of people without criminal records who have a hard time finding a job.  Why should we give employers an incentive to hire criminals, when there are hard working non-criminals out there?  It isn't like there are a bunch of positions sitting empty because some convicted felon isn't doing them.
 
2014-08-16 08:25:33 AM
With that sentence? He sounds black...and poor
 
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