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2014-08-15 09:32:03 PM  
It rained like a motherfarker on Tuesday. shiat like this happens.
 
2014-08-15 09:50:02 PM  
I'm guessing no

/well, except the smell is better
 
2014-08-15 10:24:41 PM  
I wonder what State Senator Clay Davis would say about this with a single twenty-seven syllable word?
 
2014-08-15 10:29:03 PM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: I wonder what State Senator Clay Davis would say about this with a single twenty-seven syllable word?


Or, more accurately, a single-syllable word stretched out for twenty-seven seconds
 
2014-08-15 10:41:21 PM  
We will, might smell better
 
2014-08-15 10:45:31 PM  
That's a huge crock of shiat.
 
2014-08-15 10:45:52 PM  
As a born-&-raised Baltimoron, I say they must have that factoid backward: it's more likely that they got 3 million gallons of water into a Harbor full of sewage.

At least it quit smelling like dead fish when all the fish died. You know, like you can't get one more drink from an empty bottle.
 
2014-08-15 10:46:01 PM  
In the summer, it'd be kinda hard to tell.
 
2014-08-15 10:47:45 PM  
By the way, they should separate rain run-off from the sewer system.
 
2014-08-15 10:48:46 PM  

Lsherm: It rained like a motherfarker on Tuesday. shiat like this happens.


Only if you live someplace where the storm and sanitary sewers are connected. In modern cities this isn't the case.
 
2014-08-15 10:52:10 PM  
The water will give you crabs.
 
2014-08-15 10:53:00 PM  

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2014-08-15 10:53:15 PM  

tzzhc4: Lsherm: It rained like a motherfarker on Tuesday. shiat like this happens.

Only if you live someplace where the storm and sanitary sewers are connected. In modern cities this isn't the case.


It's Baltimore, their entire sewer system is a hodge-podge of 300 year old and newer systems. It happens in New York, too.

It's not an unusual occurrence.
 
2014-08-15 10:54:43 PM  
Pipe the runoff to California
 
2014-08-15 10:54:43 PM  
In Baltimore? Unlikely.....
 
2014-08-15 10:56:45 PM  
Who else is hungry for some Chesapeake oysters right now?
 
2014-08-15 10:58:17 PM  

drjekel_mrhyde: Pipe the runoff to California

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2014-08-15 10:58:48 PM  
Is it downhill?
 
2014-08-15 10:58:54 PM  

Lsherm: It rained like a motherfarker on Tuesday. shiat like this happens.


Yep, especially with older collection systems or combined systems. It can take a day or less before the rainwater infiltrates older clay pipes (which most places still have). Schedule 40 PVC is the standard now but for a long time it was all clay, and a city isn't going to take on the expense (and the disruption) of replacing it. Some of them spray a lining on them but more often than not the leak is related to roots breaking the pipes and that's not going to be something that you can patch.

I've seen a meter go from a trickle to full on flooding in less than an hour. The plant that that happened at was designed for 6.3 millions of gallons per day just because of infiltration (most days it rarely broke 2 million gallons). There's not a whole lot that the plant operator can do about it other than put more tanks in service. But sometimes you run out of tanks.
 
2014-08-15 10:58:59 PM  
Meanwhile, the Back River is envious.
 
2014-08-15 11:03:45 PM  

Radioactive Ass: Yep, especially with older collection systems or combined systems. It can take a day or less before the rainwater infiltrates older clay pipes (which most places still have). Schedule 40 PVC is the standard now but for a long time it was all clay, and a city isn't going to take on the expense (and the disruption) of replacing it. Some of them spray a lining on them but more often than not the leak is related to roots breaking the pipes and that's not going to be something that you can patch.


You can't expect them to replace it all at once, but hopefully they're trying to replace it bit by bit before it overwhelms them.
 
2014-08-15 11:06:53 PM  
Funny, Frank never has two cups at home...
 
2014-08-15 11:08:06 PM  

tzzhc4: Only if you live someplace where the storm and sanitary sewers are connected. In modern cities this isn't the case


Infiltration is usually the culprit, not a combined system. The plant is designed to meet a certain load and combined systems have to take that into account. As I said above, I've seen the flow jump in a system that wasn't combined, just older pipes.
 
2014-08-15 11:09:39 PM  
That was the worst season of The Wire: the Department of Water and Sewage season.
 
2014-08-15 11:11:44 PM  

gfid: You can't expect them to replace it all at once, but hopefully they're trying to replace it bit by bit before it overwhelms them.


Cities are notoriously cheap and digging up a street isn't cheap. Digging up all of them is certainly out of the question. Most of the time the "Fix" is just to increase the capacity at the wastewater treatment plant.
 
2014-08-15 11:12:54 PM  
This happens multiple times a year, with any significant rain event. The incumbency rate in Maryland is astronomical so I suppose there's little consequence to politicians who refuse to spend money on infrastructure projects. More satisfying to spend it on cronies and pet projects obviously.
 
2014-08-15 11:19:00 PM  
Nobody goes in the water there anyway.  At least not to swim.
 
2014-08-15 11:29:22 PM  
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Who Run Bartertown Baltimore?
 
2014-08-15 11:29:58 PM  
great. now the harbor smells like Earl Crown
 
2014-08-15 11:32:47 PM  
One day a real rain will come...
 
2014-08-15 11:39:31 PM  
You're soaking in it.
 
2014-08-15 11:42:26 PM  
So the Clay Davis reference didn't come until 12 posts into this thread.

Fark, I am disappoint
 
2014-08-15 11:42:52 PM  
I love it
 
2014-08-15 11:44:15 PM  
Too much poop,  no swimming
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2014-08-15 11:58:40 PM  
When you figure out the gallons spilled to the volume of water in the Chesapeake. The actual amount of sewage is minimal. Plus most sewage is roughly 99% water to start with.

There will be some bugs that manage to survive for a short time, but there already are enough bad bugs living in the water to start with anyway.
 
2014-08-16 12:00:04 AM  
Are we talking about good sewage or the bad kind. Because that makes a big difference in how I feel about this.
 
2014-08-16 12:04:37 AM  

kqc7011: When you figure out the gallons spilled to the volume of water in the Chesapeake. The actual amount of sewage is minimal. Plus most sewage is roughly 99% water to start with.


Well the Chesapeake already has shiat dumping into it from runoff in the Baltimore-DC area, more sewage is the last thing that waterway needs.
 
2014-08-16 12:22:31 AM  
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2014-08-16 12:26:36 AM  
The triathlon is now a biathlon. Man up.
 
2014-08-16 12:27:56 AM  

Tony_Pepperoni: [img.fark.net image 850x637]


Saved =)
 
2014-08-16 12:28:00 AM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Mr. Coffee Nerves: I wonder what State Senator Clay Davis would say about this with a single twenty-seven syllable word?

Or, more accurately, a single-syllable word stretched out for twenty-seven seconds


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2014-08-16 12:34:48 AM  

gfid: Radioactive Ass: Yep, especially with older collection systems or combined systems. It can take a day or less before the rainwater infiltrates older clay pipes (which most places still have). Schedule 40 PVC is the standard now but for a long time it was all clay, and a city isn't going to take on the expense (and the disruption) of replacing it. Some of them spray a lining on them but more often than not the leak is related to roots breaking the pipes and that's not going to be something that you can patch.

You can't expect them to replace it all at once, but hopefully they're trying to replace it bit by bit before it overwhelms them.


BGE has been replacing the gas main and feeder lines around my block. We're into our third month now and they're just starting on the feeders.

Three months. One block.

Mind you, they're not replacing the water mains while the street is already opened up. That's be too intelligent. And we've had two water main breaks on my street so far this summer.
 
2014-08-16 12:37:40 AM  

jake_lex: So the Clay Davis reference didn't come until 12 posts into this thread.

Fark, I am disappoint


Um... comments #3 & 4?
 
2014-08-16 12:54:47 AM  
And this is news why? Milwaukee sees your 3,000,000 gallons, and raises 333,600,000.

http://wisconsindailyindependent.com/336-2-million-gallons-of-sewage -d umped-in-lake-michigan/

/farking combined sewers in Shorewood and Milwaukee because the Dems are short-sighted idiots.
//And fark you if you can't see the partison reality--these are the same assholes who think trolleys and light-rail are economically good ideas.
///And fark you a second time if you think Libs are smarter than Cons--104 people died because Dems run the city and cheaped out on our water quality  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_Milwaukee_Cryptosporidiosis_outbrea k
////We have the best water in the country since then, with improved machinery and technology, so that's nice...
 
2014-08-16 12:55:43 AM  

Lsherm: tzzhc4: Lsherm: It rained like a motherfarker on Tuesday. shiat like this happens.

Only if you live someplace where the storm and sanitary sewers are connected. In modern cities this isn't the case.

It's Baltimore, their entire sewer system is a hodge-podge of 300 year old and newer systems. It happens in New York, too.

It's not an unusual occurrence.


Just saying if they spent money on fixing the damn sewer it wouldn't happen. New York is a mess.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/20/nyregion/20aqueduct.html?_r=0
 
2014-08-16 01:30:21 AM  
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I love the shiat out of you!

What?! Me too beeyotch! DOOSES!
 
2014-08-16 01:40:56 AM  

fickenchucker: ///And fark you a second time if you think Libs are smarter than Cons


When you have people like Rand Paul and Sarah Palin representing your movement.
 
2014-08-16 01:50:01 AM  

Mrtraveler01: fickenchucker: ///And fark you a second time if you think Libs are smarter than Cons

When you have people like Rand Paul and Sarah Palin representing your movement.



Point taken.  I'm talking local politics.  Our national icons are often lacking. But don't pretend BO is doing a good job.

/Tom Barrett, mayor of Milwaukee, is a farking idiot.
//And yes, I would say that to his face.
 
2014-08-16 01:50:08 AM  

Mrtraveler01: fickenchucker: ///And fark you a second time if you think Libs are smarter than Cons

When you have people like Rand Paul and Sarah Palin representing your movement.


Coming from a party that supports Pelosi, Reid, and that cast of thousands?

Your party is a movement of bowels.
 
2014-08-16 01:51:00 AM  

Boo_Guy: Tony_Pepperoni: [img.fark.net image 850x637]

Saved =)


That's not allowed. DRRRRRREEEEEEWWWWWWWWWWW! Haaaha-haha-I'm touching base, motherfarker.
 
2014-08-16 01:52:14 AM  
I have heard that one of the biggest problems with Chesapeake bay is that it gets so much chicken shiat in it from chicken farms around it. Plus in areas like this, there is the urban runoff which isn't great either. So basically, the water is shiatty before any human shiat has been added.

We need to treat farms like factories under the Clean Water Act and force them to contain their pollution. But we're probably too stupid right now to do anything smart environmentally, hell, we can't even get mountaintop removal mining banned.
 
2014-08-16 01:57:23 AM  
Aw c'mon, do we really have to drag the politics tab in to a poop thread?  Isn't that redundant or something?
 
2014-08-16 02:03:18 AM  
Surely they can afford infrastructure after all these profitable wars we've been winning for the last decade.
 
2014-08-16 02:08:54 AM  

Slam1263: Mrtraveler01: fickenchucker: ///And fark you a second time if you think Libs are smarter than Cons

When you have people like Rand Paul and Sarah Palin representing your movement.

Coming from a party that supports Pelosi, Reid, and that cast of thousands?

Your party is a movement of bowels.


So what does that make the Republicans then? Diarrhea?
 
2014-08-16 02:28:23 AM  
Not sure if they were for clean water or dirty, but I've seen pipes made of hollowed out trees.
 
2014-08-16 03:17:26 AM  

Manfred J. Hattan: Aw c'mon, do we really have to drag the politics tab in to a poop thread?  Isn't that redundant or something?


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2014-08-16 04:05:44 AM  

fickenchucker: And this is news why? Milwaukee sees your 3,000,000 gallons, and raises 333,600,000.

http://wisconsindailyindependent.com/336-2-million-gallons-of-sewage -d umped-in-lake-michigan/

/farking combined sewers in Shorewood and Milwaukee because the Dems are short-sighted idiots.
//And fark you if you can't see the partison reality--these are the same assholes who think trolleys and light-rail are economically good ideas.
///And fark you a second time if you think Libs are smarter than Cons--104 people died because Dems run the city and cheaped out on our water quality  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_Milwaukee_Cryptosporidiosis_outbrea k
////We have the best water in the country since then, with improved machinery and technology, so that's nice...


So that's where Milwaukee gets it's water for beer from.
 
2014-08-16 04:07:23 AM  
Runoff from Art Modell's grave.

/ Go Browns!
// Fark you, Art
 
2014-08-16 04:45:16 AM  
 
2014-08-16 07:06:48 AM  

Boo_Guy: Too much poop,  no swimming
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The bacteria got a buzz on?
 
2014-08-16 08:15:40 AM  
I'm one of those people that likes to read while I'm having a shiat.

In other news, I'm banned from Barnes & Noble.
 
2014-08-16 08:22:03 AM  
You people need to stop shiatting so much.
 
2014-08-16 08:53:46 AM  

kqc7011: When you figure out the gallons spilled to the volume of water in the Chesapeake. The actual amount of sewage is minimal. Plus most sewage is roughly 99% water to start with.

There will be some bugs that manage to survive for a short time, but there already are enough bad bugs living in the water to start with anyway.


Oh sure, dilution and all that. Trouble is, the bay might as well already be sewage because of just how beat up it is from stuff similar to this happening every day.
 
2014-08-16 09:27:06 AM  
You know how Baltimore could prevent this AND beautify their decaying shiat-hole of a town? Bulldoze all the vacant tenements, hydro-seed the fark out of the resultant patches of bare earth ( most of those dilapidated row houses have unfinished basements with dirt floors anyway) and create new green spaces to soak up all of that runoff while removing hundreds if not thousands of crack houses and stash houses from the city.
 
2014-08-16 09:34:36 AM  

adamatari: I have heard that one of the biggest problems with Chesapeake bay is that it gets so much chicken shiat in it from chicken farms around it. Plus in areas like this, there is the urban runoff which isn't great either. So basically, the water is shiatty before any human shiat has been added.

We need to treat farms like factories under the Clean Water Act and force them to contain their pollution. But we're probably too stupid right now to do anything smart environmentally, hell, we can't even get mountaintop removal mining banned.


Baltimore city is under a federal consent decree forcing them to upgrade the sewer system. And as others have said, a combined system gets over run with either water or sewage, it will overflow into the other system. Even then the replacement takes time, what with water lines breaking all over the city.

Then there are the overflows from the county to contend with when you get six inches of rain in a day.

And don't get me started on the farms in Pennsylvania that dump fertilizer and sediment into the Susquehanna. Everyone likes to blame Baltimore city for the Chesapeake's problem, but the watershed extends all the way too New York state.
 
2014-08-16 09:39:09 AM  

Lsherm: tzzhc4: Lsherm: It rained like a motherfarker on Tuesday. shiat like this happens.

Only if you live someplace where the storm and sanitary sewers are connected. In modern cities this isn't the case.

It's Baltimore, their entire sewer system is a hodge-podge of 300 year old and newer systems. It happens in New York, too.

It's not an unusual occurrence.


All the old coastal cities are like this.  Many places have prehistoric combined storm/sewer systems.  When it rains hard the treatment plants can't keep up, so they open the valves and let it flow straight into the nearest river or harbor.  Boston, NYC, North Jersey, Philly, Baltimore.....all the way down the East Coast.   The solution would be to replace those 100+ year old sewer systems, except we can't because socialism.
 
2014-08-16 09:42:18 AM  
Just happen to be re-reading Zodiac this week. Same shiat, wrong bay. LOL?
 
2014-08-16 11:01:39 AM  
Looking at the picture in the linked article, is that a Brown Trout that I see?

I was also hoping to see a canoe trying to navigate against the current without a means of propulsion.
 
2014-08-16 01:09:26 PM  

adamatari: We need to treat farms like factories under the Clean Water Act and force them to contain their pollution. But we're probably too stupid right now to do anything smart environmentally, hell, we can't even get mountaintop removal mining banned.


There you go, talking sense on Fark. You should be ashamed of yourself.
 
2014-08-16 10:40:02 PM  

Fissile: The solution would be to replace those 100+ year old sewer systems, except we can't because socialism.


It's not "because socialism" - it's because it's farking expensive as all hell and the money might not be there to do it. I worked for an engineering firm for a few years that would smoke test sewer lines in old towns to find leaks and recommend repairs or upgrades, and you can't just "replace" a sewer system. Many of the older lines are either inaccessible or impossible to upgrade, but digging new lines would be prohibitively expensive, especially for towns that were built up around an industry that left. Most of the work we did were for old coal towns, and the tax base to replace anything left long ago.

The other problem that pops up is that a century or more ago, sewer lines were not separate from storm lines, and in either case whenever people went digging they did it in open areas if at all possible. Fast forward to the present and now you have streets, buildings, phone lines, cable, gas lines, and god knows what else stacked on top of that old sewer line. Your only option is to move a main line to another open area, but then you still have to connect it back to where the buildings are.  That means you're digging up streets, phone lines, cable, gas lines, and god knows what else.

One town in Western Maryland that was built almost entirely on a hill leading down to a river had a problem because their main sewer line down the hill filled up during heavy rainstorms, thus flooding basements in houses near the bottom of the hill as the water pressure built up.  We came in, surveyed and tested everything, and came to the conclusion that they could dig out the 120 year old main line and make it bigger for about $40 million, or they could set up a pool halfway up the hill and redirect water to that during rainstorms and drain it later for $3 million. Naturally, they chose to do nothing, but if they had the money they probably would have gone for option #2.
 
2014-08-16 11:33:23 PM  

Lsherm: Fissile: The solution would be to replace those 100+ year old sewer systems, except we can't because socialism.

It's not "because socialism" - it's because it's farking expensive as all hell and the money might not be there to do it. I worked for an engineering firm for a few years that would smoke test sewer lines in old towns to find leaks and recommend repairs or upgrades, and you can't just "replace" a sewer system. Many of the older lines are either inaccessible or impossible to upgrade, but digging new lines would be prohibitively expensive, especially for towns that were built up around an industry that left. Most of the work we did were for old coal towns, and the tax base to replace anything left long ago.

The other problem that pops up is that a century or more ago, sewer lines were not separate from storm lines, and in either case whenever people went digging they did it in open areas if at all possible. Fast forward to the present and now you have streets, buildings, phone lines, cable, gas lines, and god knows what else stacked on top of that old sewer line. Your only option is to move a main line to another open area, but then you still have to connect it back to where the buildings are.  That means you're digging up streets, phone lines, cable, gas lines, and god knows what else.

One town in Western Maryland that was built almost entirely on a hill leading down to a river had a problem because their main sewer line down the hill filled up during heavy rainstorms, thus flooding basements in houses near the bottom of the hill as the water pressure built up.  We came in, surveyed and tested everything, and came to the conclusion that they could dig out the 120 year old main line and make it bigger for about $40 million, or they could set up a pool halfway up the hill and redirect water to that during rainstorms and drain it later for $3 million. Naturally, they chose to do nothing, but if they had the money they probably would have gone for option #2.


People seem to think that all it would take is digging a hole and slapping in some pipe. That's what caused the problems in the first place back before water quality and the EPA were out there. The reality is that studies need to be done, then studies made of those studies to make sure that they are accurate, then a whole farkton of paperwork get filed and gone over with a fine toothed comb. Then maybe, if the town or city has the money, work can start. And the work is almost never cut and dried. Wastewater pipes have to have a certain amount of slope, it's not as severe of a slope like in a house but it still has to slope. And when the pipe is a couple of miles long that can mean that it's pretty deep by the time it gets to the treatment plant, unless they use pump stations, but then those are not cheap to build, operate or maintain either. Not only for the big pit that you have to build and the pumps but also things like an emergency generator and monitoring equipment so it's an ongoing expense (unlike a pipe)

It's a long and complicated process and decision tree going from, we should fix that to ok, it's fixed. And long and complicated always means expensive.
 
2014-08-16 11:59:57 PM  

tkrispin: adamatari: I have heard that one of the biggest problems with Chesapeake bay is that it gets so much chicken shiat in it from chicken farms around it. Plus in areas like this, there is the urban runoff which isn't great either. So basically, the water is shiatty before any human shiat has been added.

We need to treat farms like factories under the Clean Water Act and force them to contain their pollution. But we're probably too stupid right now to do anything smart environmentally, hell, we can't even get mountaintop removal mining banned.

Baltimore city is under a federal consent decree forcing them to upgrade the sewer system. And as others have said, a combined system gets over run with either water or sewage, it will overflow into the other system. Even then the replacement takes time, what with water lines breaking all over the city.

Then there are the overflows from the county to contend with when you get six inches of rain in a day.

And don't get me started on the farms in Pennsylvania that dump fertilizer and sediment into the Susquehanna. Everyone likes to blame Baltimore city for the Chesapeake's problem, but the watershed extends all the way too New York state.


The problems of the mid-Atlantic states almost all originate in the State of New York. It's like standing under a porta-potty.
 
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