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ZAZ [TotalFark]
2014-08-15 05:04:03 PM  
100,000 miles or 1,000,000,000 miles, either way the car doesn't have a long enough extension cord to reach that distance.
 
2014-08-15 05:09:07 PM  
Is there a drive train that needs to be swapped out?  I thought it was just 4 motors.  My understanding is there aren't that many moving parts that wear out and the only thing you really have to worry about is the electronics and the battery.
 
2014-08-15 05:14:19 PM  
CSB:

I had a 1968 Firebird that had over 800,000 on the clock, with the original 4.1 liter straight-six. I built a 400 with a 4 BBL and a 4-speed to replace it with, but I didn't want to remove a perfectly good engine, so I tried to blow it up. Couldn't do it. I wound up selling the engine and 3-speed trans to a guy who used them for dirt-track racing.
 
2014-08-15 07:32:07 PM  
CSB: I had a 1983 GMC Jimmy that went through 3 transmissions before it hit 50,000 miles.


/Good for Tesla. I hope they succeed wildly, I would love the be able to afford one someday.
 
2014-08-15 08:19:15 PM  
Oh yeah?  What about infinity *TIMES* infinity?

37.media.tumblr.com
 
2014-08-15 08:25:35 PM  

enry: Is there a drive train that needs to be swapped out?  I thought it was just 4 motors.  My understanding is there aren't that many moving parts that wear out and the only thing you really have to worry about is the electronics and the battery.


It is rear-wheel drive off of one electric motor. So there is a drive train in the rear end.
 
2014-08-15 08:28:01 PM  

Sin_City_Superhero: CSB:

I had a 1968 Firebird that had over 800,000 on the clock, with the original 4.1 liter straight-six. I built a 400 with a 4 BBL and a 4-speed to replace it with, but I didn't want to remove a perfectly good engine, so I tried to blow it up. Couldn't do it. I wound up selling the engine and 3-speed trans to a guy who used them for dirt-track racing.


Some things were just built to last. I had a Datsun 210 in college and my dad said we'd swap out the original engine for a bigger one when mine blew. I tried to kill it. I'd take it 4-wheeling at the sand dunes. I'd practice my stunt driving skills by going down dirt roads, yanking the emergency brake, going into a spin, and coming back out. I ran it out of oil. It refused to die. We eventually ended up selling it for $300 and getting a Sentra. That Sentra is sitting in the back right now with almost 500,000 miles on it (original engine). Needs a transmission.

I like that Tesla is upping the ante on what should be expected from a car company. This is good.
 
2014-08-15 08:28:02 PM  

Farking Canuck: enry: Is there a drive train that needs to be swapped out?  I thought it was just 4 motors.  My understanding is there aren't that many moving parts that wear out and the only thing you really have to worry about is the electronics and the battery.

It is rear-wheel drive off of one electric motor. So there is a drive train in the rear end.


More info from the spec sheet:

Powertrain
- Model S is a rear wheel drive electric vehicle. The liquid-cooled powertrain includes the battery, motor, drive inverter, and gear box.
60 kWh microprocessor controlled, lithium-ion battery
- Three phase, four pole AC induction motor with copper rotor
- Drive inverter with variable frequency drive and regenerative braking system
- Single speed fixed gear with 9.73:1 reduction ratio
 
2014-08-15 08:35:10 PM  
Saw a Tesla on I71 between Cleveland and Columbus today. Nice ride. Really really want.
 
2014-08-15 08:35:10 PM  
Yay 100th greenlight for me! =D

/Don't mind the profile saying 101 -- there's a bookkeeping issue between me and Forty-Two. ;)
 
2014-08-15 08:48:11 PM  
My local utility predominantly burns coal for my power.

So if I bought a Tesla, I'd be rolling coal ALL THE TIME.
 
2014-08-15 08:48:50 PM  

BKITU: Yay 100th greenlight for me! =D

/Don't mind the profile saying 101 -- there's a bookkeeping issue between me and Forty-Two. ;)


Congratulations!  I'm very excited for you.
 
2014-08-15 08:52:49 PM  
I'm not a car guy and not impressed with luxury anything.

But when I see a Tesla on the road I always notice, "whoa, beautiful car".
 
2014-08-15 08:59:00 PM  

Bob The Nob: Saw a Tesla on I71 between Cleveland and Columbus today. Nice ride. Really really want.


I live in Redmond WA, and they are all over the place here. I literally can't drive more than a couple miles without seeing one on the road somewhere.
 
2014-08-15 09:02:46 PM  

Sin_City_Superhero: CSB:

I had a 1968 Firebird that had over 800,000 on the clock, with the original 4.1 liter straight-six. I built a 400 with a 4 BBL and a 4-speed to replace it with, but I didn't want to remove a perfectly good engine, so I tried to blow it up. Couldn't do it. I wound up selling the engine and 3-speed trans to a guy who used them for dirt-track racing.


Tried something similar with a 1973 slant-six engine.  The thing would not die.
 
2014-08-15 09:04:58 PM  

jaytkay: I'm not a car guy and not impressed with luxury anything.

But when I see a Tesla on the road I always notice, "whoa, beautiful car".


Oh, sure, but it's no Royal Deluxe II
 
2014-08-15 09:06:10 PM  

dittybopper: Oh yeah?  What about infinity *TIMES* infinity?


Still infinity.

ℵ  × ℵ  = ℵ
 
2014-08-15 09:06:32 PM  

Invisible Pedestrian: Sin_City_Superhero: CSB:

I had a 1968 Firebird that had over 800,000 on the clock, with the original 4.1 liter straight-six. I built a 400 with a 4 BBL and a 4-speed to replace it with, but I didn't want to remove a perfectly good engine, so I tried to blow it up. Couldn't do it. I wound up selling the engine and 3-speed trans to a guy who used them for dirt-track racing.

Tried something similar with a 1973 slant-six engine.  The thing would not die.


Dude, you can't call them that anymore.  The preferred nomenclature is "Asian-six".
 
2014-08-15 09:11:07 PM  

aerojockey: dittybopper: Oh yeah?  What about infinity *TIMES* infinity?

Still infinity.

ℵ  × ℵ  = ℵ


Technically the resultant set is larger than the component sets, but for all practical purposes yes it's the same.
 
2014-08-15 09:13:09 PM  

aerojockey: dittybopper: Oh yeah?  What about infinity *TIMES* infinity?

Still infinity.

ℵ  × ℵ  = ℵ


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nfc7G4xKsl8
 
2014-08-15 09:14:39 PM  
Times change. When I first began to be interested in cars, it was all about the past. In the late seventies through the mid eighties, the way to get a high performance car was to get something from the late sixties, or the first couple of years in the seventies, fix it up and modify it to taste. The Camaros from the Trans Am series were my inspiration, and by the late eighties, it became apparent that I wasn't alone in wanting to take one of these cars, update the suspension, tires and brakes, and be able to keep up or even surpass late model vehicles on a twisty back road or road course.

3.bp.blogspot.com

In 1992, a guy named Mark Stielow caught my attention. He built a '69 Camaro the way I would if I had the money, and did very well in Car Craft magazine's Real Street Eliminator contest. He has built Camaro after Camaro, each one better than the last. Here is his next to latest car:

www.redlineoil.com

It has big rubber, a supercharged 427 LS based engine with 600+ horsepower, huge brakes with ABS, a roll cage to tie the unibody together, a coil spring suspension that he designed based on a Ford nine inch rear end, a completely aftermarket front subframe that's both much lighter than what it replaced, and has much better suspension geometry, etc. etc.

With all of that, he was only able to beat the track time of a new ZL1 by a narrow margin. And the new Z/28 would beat both of them ( the new Z/28 was able to beat a Nissan GT-R on a road course ).

No matter how much time, money, and dedication you pour into an old muscle car, the torch has been passed. You can end up with a very cool car, but it cannot compete with the new stuff. And it's only a matter of time before the top performance cars are electric or hybrid.
 
2014-08-15 09:14:46 PM  

ajgeek: aerojockey: dittybopper: Oh yeah?  What about infinity *TIMES* infinity?

Still infinity.

ℵ  × ℵ  = ℵ

Technically the resultant set is larger than the component sets, but for all practical purposes yes it's the same.


Just divide the results by zero.
 
2014-08-15 09:15:46 PM  

enry: Is there a drive train that needs to be swapped out?  I thought it was just 4 motors.  My understanding is there aren't that many moving parts that wear out and the only thing you really have to worry about is the electronics and the battery.


There is actually only one motor.

Three has been some FUD recently about the gear box, and this is in response to that.

As far as the motor goes, it should be good for at least a milloin miles...before it might need a new bearing.
 
2014-08-15 09:17:47 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: My local utility predominantly burns coal for my power.

So if I bought a Tesla, I'd be rolling coal ALL THE TIME.


Still would be cleaner than gasoline car.
 
2014-08-15 09:25:23 PM  

Hollie Maea: enry: Is there a drive train that needs to be swapped out?  I thought it was just 4 motors.  My understanding is there aren't that many moving parts that wear out and the only thing you really have to worry about is the electronics and the battery.

There is actually only one motor.

Three has been some FUD recently about the gear box, and this is in response to that.

As far as the motor goes, it should be good for at least a milloin miles...before it might need a new bearing.


Maybe.  Maybe not.  I've got a washing machine downstairs that has a perfectly electric good motor, at least physically*, but the controller is throwing a "software corrupted" error code, and it's an integrated unit, so essentially it's worthless.  Doesn't have to be just the bearings that can go.

But good on Tesla for the warranty.


*I tested it.  I'm handy with electrical stuff, what with being a ham and all.
 
2014-08-15 09:26:20 PM  

dittybopper: jaytkay: I'm not a car guy and not impressed with luxury anything.

But when I see a Tesla on the road I always notice, "whoa, beautiful car".

Oh, sure, but it's no Royal Deluxe II


The sleeper in that skit is Garret Morris.

/ classic
 
2014-08-15 09:27:35 PM  
now has an 8 year, infinite mile warranty on both the battery pack and drive unit.

Uh, subby?
 
2014-08-15 09:28:47 PM  

dittybopper: Hollie Maea: enry: Is there a drive train that needs to be swapped out?  I thought it was just 4 motors.  My understanding is there aren't that many moving parts that wear out and the only thing you really have to worry about is the electronics and the battery.

There is actually only one motor.

Three has been some FUD recently about the gear box, and this is in response to that.

As far as the motor goes, it should be good for at least a milloin miles...before it might need a new bearing.

Maybe.  Maybe not.  I've got a washing machine downstairs that has a perfectly electric good motor, at least physically*, but the controller is throwing a "software corrupted" error code, and it's an integrated unit, so essentially it's worthless.  Doesn't have to be just the bearings that can go.

But good on Tesla for the warranty.


*I tested it.  I'm handy with electrical stuff, what with being a ham and all.


Yeah, the controller might not last the million miles. The motor would though.

On the other hand, it's a damn good controller. Built very robust, and much better then one you'd find running a washing machine motor.
 
2014-08-15 09:32:47 PM  
Repo Man

No matter how much time, money, and dedication you pour into an old muscle car, the torch has been passed. You can end up with a very cool car, but it cannot compete with the new stuff. And it's only a matter of time before the top performance cars are electric or hybrid.

The critical mass of everyone wanting to go electric is going to be when people realize that they can get nearly 100% of the power from a standing stop.  Most racing these days is from 0 to about 40 mph, from light to light.

That's where EV's kick the most ass.  Incredible punch, right off the line.

Regen braking can put most of it right back in the can.
 
2014-08-15 09:36:35 PM  

studebaker hoch: The critical mass of everyone wanting to go electric is going to be when people realize that they can get nearly 100% of the power from a standing stop. Most racing these days is from 0 to about 40 mph


Most people aren't pretending to race while they pick up groceries and shuttle the kids around.
 
2014-08-15 09:36:36 PM  

Lsherm: now has an 8 year, infinite mile warranty on both the battery pack and drive unit.

Uh, subby?


still isn't subject to mileage..
for example, Hyundai's warranty is 10 years or 100,000 miles
Tesla's is 8 years and infinity miles
 
2014-08-15 09:38:56 PM  

studebaker hoch: Repo Man

No matter how much time, money, and dedication you pour into an old muscle car, the torch has been passed. You can end up with a very cool car, but it cannot compete with the new stuff. And it's only a matter of time before the top performance cars are electric or hybrid.

The critical mass of everyone wanting to go electric is going to be when people realize that they can get nearly 100% of the power from a standing stop.  Most racing these days is from 0 to about 40 mph, from light to light.

That's where EV's kick the most ass.  Incredible punch, right off the line.

Regen braking can put most of it right back in the can.


This. I have the weeniest electric car around. It is made out of Tupperware. It has a 45 hp motor, running a single speed gear.

But that thing jumps off the line. The other day I left the red light too quickly and angered some bros in a new Charger. They eventually roared past, of course, but it was quite amusing.
 
2014-08-15 09:41:13 PM  
The Tesla Model S drivetrain.
img.fark.net
img.fark.net
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2014-08-15 09:53:33 PM  
Tesla's is 8 years and infinity miles

670,616,629 mph. It's not just a good idea, it's the law.

They're cheating you out of the difference between infinity mph and the speed of light. You should sue for fraud.
 
2014-08-15 10:03:33 PM  

F-14Tomcat: The Tesla Model S drivetrain.
[img.fark.net image 850x1133]
[img.fark.net image 850x504]


Those look like entirely different items. The bottom one almost looks like a direct drive...
 
2014-08-15 10:05:03 PM  

The Bestest: Lsherm: now has an 8 year, infinite mile warranty on both the battery pack and drive unit.

Uh, subby?

still isn't subject to mileage..
for example, Hyundai's warranty is 10 years or 100,000 miles
Tesla's is 8 years and infinity miles


Well I know, but you'd be hard pressed to reach infiniti miles on any car in 8 years, so it's really an 8 year warranty. Hyundai's is probably closer to a 100,000 mile warranty, because people drive those things into the ground, so you reach the 100K first.

I'm sure some Rain Man motherfarker is going to do the math and figure out exactly how many miles you can get out of a Tesla in 8 years, provided ideal charge times and ideal travel conditions, and that's the mileage figure they are using internally.
 
2014-08-15 10:06:32 PM  

The Bestest: Lsherm: now has an 8 year, infinite mile warranty on both the battery pack and drive unit.

Uh, subby?

still isn't subject to mileage..
for example, Hyundai's warranty is 10 years or 100,000 miles
Tesla's is 8 years and infinity miles


My Hyundai Sonata bought nearly new for $11,900 will likely be good for 200k miles. How does the Tesla compare on a cost/mile basis?
I am all for innovation, but until the dollars work out the Tesla will not prevail.
 
2014-08-15 10:10:19 PM  
The Tesla logo reminds me of an IUD.

That is all.
 
2014-08-15 10:14:39 PM  

BKITU: Yay 100th greenlight for me! =D


Farker motors wants to know, where were you when your post count hit 100, 200, 300 posts?
 
2014-08-15 10:14:45 PM  
8 years or till it catch fire?
 
2014-08-15 10:17:25 PM  

Needlessly Complicated: The Tesla logo reminds me of an IUD.

That is all.


Wow img.fark.net
 
2014-08-15 10:23:39 PM  

F-14Tomcat: The Tesla Model S drivetrain.
[img.fark.net image 850x1133]
[img.fark.net image 850x504]


That kind of simplicity and low parts count is what's scaring the piss out of the establishment right now.
 
2014-08-15 10:25:13 PM  
Not sayin' anything about who "borrowed" from who, they're both pretty girls.
 www.blogcdn.com
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2014-08-15 10:26:12 PM  

ZAZ: 100,000 miles or 1,000,000,000 miles, either way the car doesn't have a long enough extension cord to reach that distance.


That's why you plug the other end into the cigarette socket so you can charge it while the car is running.
 
2014-08-15 10:26:37 PM  

ajgeek: F-14Tomcat: The Tesla Model S drivetrain.
[img.fark.net image 850x1133]
[img.fark.net image 850x504]

Those look like entirely different items. The bottom one almost looks like a direct drive...


No, they are the same. The gear box is hidden behind the motor and controller in the bottom image.
 
2014-08-15 10:30:04 PM  

drjekel_mrhyde: Needlessly Complicated: The Tesla logo reminds me of an IUD.

That is all.

Wow [img.fark.net image 480x360]


Maybe we should put it in a Dodge truck:

64.22.100.83
 
2014-08-15 10:35:28 PM  

drjekel_mrhyde: 8 years or till it catch fire?


The most likely way a tesla is going to catch on fire is if someone driving a gasoline powered car runs into it.
 
2014-08-15 10:43:45 PM  

StopLurkListen: Not sayin' anything about who "borrowed" from who, they're both pretty girls.
 [www.blogcdn.com image 628x352]
[upload.wikimedia.org image 630x357]


They were on different development cycles, but yeah, I did a double take when I saw the new Jaguars myself.

Then again, I do a double take when I see the fronts of the new Ford Fusions and the new Jaguars, so maybe they're all fellating the same design company.
 
2014-08-15 10:48:28 PM  
People forget that Tesla is closely linked with Elon's other company, SpaceX.

The reliability requirements for launch vehicles and spacecraft are rather high.  SpaceX is currently redefining the satellite launch business, and will soon be doing the same for manned flight.

You know at least some of that space technology is going to find its way into Tesla cars.
 
2014-08-15 10:55:18 PM  

Hollie Maea: No, they are the same. The gear box is hidden behind the motor and controller in the bottom image.


Ignoring the rotor color variance, a device on the upper portion on opposite sides, and what appears to be wiring missing from one and not the other, the one thing I can't shake is the mount on the lower left of the upper image (silver on black). It's not visible in any way, shape or form in the bottom image (which is black on silver in the lower left, but not visible in the lower right). I can't imagine it hiding under that relatively thin cable.

I think one of those images is flipped.
 
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