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(Slate)   It turns out, Michael Brown might not be as innocent as some had been claiming   (slate.com) divider line 1038
    More: Followup, Michael Brown, ferguson, infantrymen, Missouri State Highway Patrol, John Lewis, police actions, County Police, martial law  
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2014-08-15 11:30:34 AM  
Who here among us didn't see this coming?
 
2014-08-15 11:32:04 AM  
This was already known.
 
2014-08-15 11:35:41 AM  
I haven't seen so much ass coverage from the cops since that raid on a massage parlor behind my office
in 2005.
 
2014-08-15 11:38:25 AM  
And being a suspect in a crime - even if true - is still no excuse for summary execution.  It also contradicts the "get back on the sidewalk" story that the police have been pushing for a week.
 
2014-08-15 11:39:23 AM  
Michael Brown didn't turn Ferguson into a war zone.
 
2014-08-15 11:44:52 AM  
That's no small kid either!  292 and 6'4". I could see why the cop was scared.
 
2014-08-15 11:47:41 AM  

SauronWasFramed: That's no small kid either!  292 and 6'4". I could see why the cop was scared.


Wasn't he shot in the back?
 
2014-08-15 11:48:36 AM  

johnryan51: SauronWasFramed: That's no small kid either!  292 and 6'4". I could see why the cop was scared.

Wasn't he shot in the back?


A very intimidating back.
 
2014-08-15 11:51:12 AM  

James!: johnryan51: SauronWasFramed: That's no small kid either!  292 and 6'4". I could see why the cop was scared.

Wasn't he shot in the back?

A very intimidating back.




A bigger target making it easier to hit, dontyakno
 
2014-08-15 11:51:31 AM  
Well, if the cop hadn't shot him in the back, maybe he could have his day in court.  But he'll never be charged now.
 
2014-08-15 11:51:34 AM  
That report was dated the 9th.

Why in hell would they withhold it, given what was going on?
 
2014-08-15 11:53:03 AM  
Videos taken of Brown's body show him wearing a completely different outfit.
 
2014-08-15 11:54:44 AM  
Actually I can't tell.
 
2014-08-15 11:55:55 AM  

James!: Actually I can't tell.


I think he's wearing a different color shirt.
 
2014-08-15 11:57:00 AM  
Also if Wilson knew he was a suspect, why did he yell for Brown to get on the sidewalk rather than approaching him to arrest him?
 
2014-08-15 11:57:25 AM  
Well I guess robbing a convenience store is worthy of a death sentence.
 
2014-08-15 11:58:33 AM  

James!: johnryan51: SauronWasFramed: That's no small kid either!  292 and 6'4". I could see why the cop was scared.

Wasn't he shot in the back?

A very intimidating back.


His back was pretty blah.
 
2014-08-15 11:59:04 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: James!: Actually I can't tell.

I think he's wearing a different color shirt.


No it's the same guy.  White shirt, khaki shorts, weird socks and sandals.  Even the red hat was photographed near the body.

Still not a capital offence.
 
2014-08-15 12:00:44 PM  
now that we have the cop's name, how many people will come forward with stories of harassment by this guy?
 
2014-08-15 12:01:56 PM  

Confabulat: Well I guess robbing a convenience store is worthy of a death sentence.


Robbing a convenience store may not be, but assaulting an officer, resisting arrest, and refusing to stop when ordered may be grounds for being shot.

If nothing else it does add credibility to the officer's story.  There have been a bunch of people saying that it didn't make sense for a good kid about to head off to college to suddenly assault a policeman.  Now we see he might not have been a good kid after all.
 
2014-08-15 12:05:08 PM  
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2014-08-15 12:09:57 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: Robbing a convenience store may not be, but assaulting an officer, resisting arrest, and refusing to stop when ordered may be grounds for being shot.


No, actually NONE of those things are grounds for being shot. Those are grounds for getting tazed and arrested, not shot in the back.

Jesus Christ, are you a troll?
 
2014-08-15 12:12:26 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: Confabulat: Well I guess robbing a convenience store is worthy of a death sentence.

Robbing a convenience store may not be, but assaulting an officer, resisting arrest, and refusing to stop when ordered may be grounds for being shot.

If nothing else it does add credibility to the officer's story.  There have been a bunch of people saying that it didn't make sense for a good kid about to head off to college to suddenly assault a policeman.  Now we see he might not have been a good kid after all.


No, it's really not. A police officer has the means to use non-deadly force. Hell we watched that just in the last few days.

They are not judge, jury and executioner.
 
2014-08-15 12:20:41 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: Confabulat: Well I guess robbing a convenience store is worthy of a death sentence.

Robbing a convenience store may not be, but assaulting an officer, resisting arrest, and refusing to stop when ordered may be grounds for being shot.

If nothing else it does add credibility to the officer's story.  There have been a bunch of people saying that it didn't make sense for a good kid about to head off to college to suddenly assault a policeman.  Now we see he might not have been a good kid after all.


No, resisting arrest does not entail getting shot. You suck at this.
 
2014-08-15 12:20:55 PM  

Confabulat: Well I guess robbing a convenience store is worthy of a death sentence.


Probably not, but it's a known occupational hazard for those engaged in robbing convenience stores.
 
2014-08-15 12:22:39 PM  
For the record I was trying to make a joke of questionable taste. I am not serious like someone else here.
 
2014-08-15 12:23:27 PM  
Maybe they can prosecute Brown's accomplice to the robbery for felony murder.
 
2014-08-15 12:25:31 PM  
The question of Brown being a suspect in a petty theft as the reason he was shoot in the back begs the question, with multiple officers on scene after the shooting how come his accomplice  was not arrested at the time of the shooting. Dorian Johnson would be the  second man mentioned in the report making Brown a suspect and would have been arrested normally if Brown really was seen as a suspect with another man.
 
2014-08-15 12:29:45 PM  

SkinnyHead: Maybe they can prosecute Brown's accomplice to the robbery for felony murder.


Yeah that's some quality trolling
 
2014-08-15 12:30:20 PM  

what_now: TuteTibiImperes: Robbing a convenience store may not be, but assaulting an officer, resisting arrest, and refusing to stop when ordered may be grounds for being shot.

No, actually NONE of those things are grounds for being shot. Those are grounds for getting tazed and arrested, not shot in the back.

Jesus Christ, are you a troll?


Using a taser would have been the optimal choice if the officer had a chance.  The report says that the first shot was fired while Brown struggled for the officer's gun inside the car though, so the officer may not have been able to use his taser in that situation.

The police can use deadly force in self defense or to prevent harm to others.  After Brown let go of the officer and left the car things do get murkier.  I agree that there doesn't seem to be a whole lot of justificstion to shooting him in the back, but he was apparently then shot in the front again, so the officer may have believed he was coming back to attack him.

The official investigation should hopefully explain what happened and why it happened.  This new information just sheds new light on things.
 
2014-08-15 12:37:53 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: SkinnyHead: Maybe they can prosecute Brown's accomplice to the robbery for felony murder.

Yeah that's some quality trolling


Just giving you some food for thought, Cameron.  When two robbers flee the scene of a robbery, and one robber is shot and killed by police while attempting to escape, the other robber can be prosecuted for felony murder for the death of his accomplice.
 
2014-08-15 12:46:10 PM  

what_now: Well, if the cop hadn't shot him in the back, maybe he could have his day in court.  But he'll never be charged now.


He'll get off scot-free!
 
2014-08-15 12:46:48 PM  

SkinnyHead: cameroncrazy1984: SkinnyHead: Maybe they can prosecute Brown's accomplice to the robbery for felony murder.

Yeah that's some quality trolling

Just giving you some food for thought, Cameron.  When two robbers flee the scene of a robbery, and one robber is shot and killed by police while attempting to escape, the other robber can be prosecuted for felony murder for the death of his accomplice.


Correct.  The logic being something along the lines of "if not for the actions and encouragement of the accomplice, the victim would not wind up dead".

There is certainly precedent should such charges be filed.
 
2014-08-15 12:47:59 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: The report says that the first shot was fired while Brown struggled for the officer's gun inside the car though, so the officer may not have been able to use his taser in that situation.


Right. But that report is bullshiat, which is why the FBI and Justice Department are stepping in.
 
2014-08-15 12:53:33 PM  

what_now: TuteTibiImperes: The report says that the first shot was fired while Brown struggled for the officer's gun inside the car though, so the officer may not have been able to use his taser in that situation.

Right. But that report is bullshiat, which is why the FBI and Justice Department are stepping in.


Why is that report bullshiat?   The reports of the witnesses, his buddies, conveniently left out the fact that he'd just robbed a store.

The announced they were running a parallel investigation on Monday.  It's likely just to assure people that this is all being handled above board.

If the the final report says that the cop pulled him in and shot him for no reason, I'll admit I was wrong.  Right now though we have the word of a six year veteran with no reprimands vs the associates of a guy caught on camera robbing a store and pushing a man half his size around.
 
2014-08-15 12:57:33 PM  

what_now: Well, if the cop hadn't shot him in the back, maybe he could have his day in court.  But he'll never be charged now.


Maybe they could charge him posthumously for bullet theft.
 
2014-08-15 01:01:22 PM  
I called this shiat 3 days ago. This is why they were balking on the investigation.

/A pack of Swisher Sweets doesn't equal a death sentence, y'all.
 
2014-08-15 01:25:14 PM  

RPT1964: Who here among us didn't see this coming?


See what coming? How is any of this relevant? The penalty for shoplifting or robbery is not summary execution.
 
2014-08-15 01:26:09 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: The report says that the first shot was fired while Brown struggled for the officer's gun inside the car though, so the officer may not have been able to use his taser in that situation.


What report? There has been no police report released on this.
 
2014-08-15 01:26:57 PM  

DamnYankees: RPT1964: Who here among us didn't see this coming?

See what coming? How is any of this relevant? The penalty for shoplifting or robbery is not summary execution.


Not even in Missouri?
 
2014-08-15 01:32:00 PM  

obenchainr: And being a suspect in a crime - even if true - is still no excuse for summary execution.  It also contradicts the "get back on the sidewalk" story that the police have been pushing for a week.


That it contradicts witness statements is one thing, but that it contradicts their own statements really leaves one scratching one's head.  And everything that I've read, while it makes Michael Brown look like a thief and all still doesn't justify him being shot in the back.  If he was running, he wasn't presenting a continued threat.  Pursue and arrest.

eurotrader: The question of Brown being a suspect in a petty theft as the reason he was shoot in the back begs the question, with multiple officers on scene after the shooting how come his accomplice  was not arrested at the time of the shooting. Dorian Johnson would be the  second man mentioned in the report making Brown a suspect and would have been arrested normally if Brown really was seen as a suspect with another man.


Another glaring hole in the story.
 
2014-08-15 01:38:05 PM  

DamnYankees: See what coming? How is any of this relevant? The penalty for shoplifting or robbery is not summary execution.


It is relevant for two reasons.  First, the fact that Brown had just committed strong arm robbery explains why he would assault the officer.  Second, because Brown had just committed robbery and was a fleeing felon who physically resisted arrest, the officer can claim that the use of deadly force to prevent the felon's escape was justified.
 
2014-08-15 01:39:20 PM  

James!: Michael Brown didn't turn Ferguson into a war zone.


This is true.  Neither did Robin Williams.  Or that guy Tony Stewart killed.  Or Lauren Bacall...though, you know, the things I'd have done for her....
 
2014-08-15 01:40:49 PM  

Chris Ween: James!: Michael Brown didn't turn Ferguson into a war zone.

This is true.  Neither did Robin Williams.  Or that guy Tony Stewart killed.  Or Lauren Bacall...though, you know, the things I'd have done for her....


Chris Ween turned Ferguson into a war zone.
 
2014-08-15 01:41:10 PM  
turns out he may not be the only fat black dude in town
 
2014-08-15 01:41:52 PM  

factoryconnection: obenchainr: And being a suspect in a crime - even if true - is still no excuse for summary execution.  It also contradicts the "get back on the sidewalk" story that the police have been pushing for a week.

That it contradicts witness statements is one thing, but that it contradicts their own statements really leaves one scratching one's head.  And everything that I've read, while it makes Michael Brown look like a thief and all still doesn't justify him being shot in the back.  If he was running, he wasn't presenting a continued threat.  Pursue and arrest.

eurotrader: The question of Brown being a suspect in a petty theft as the reason he was shoot in the back begs the question, with multiple officers on scene after the shooting how come his accomplice  was not arrested at the time of the shooting. Dorian Johnson would be the  second man mentioned in the report making Brown a suspect and would have been arrested normally if Brown really was seen as a suspect with another man.

Another glaring hole in the story.


It doesn't necessarily conflict with anything. You're assuming that the officer stopped him because he knew he'd just robbed the store, but the police report on the robbery doesn't say that.

The robbery may be unrelated to the stop.  Brown robbed the store, and was then stopped by the officer for walking in the middle of the street.
 
2014-08-15 01:42:19 PM  

SkinnyHead: DamnYankees: See what coming? How is any of this relevant? The penalty for shoplifting or robbery is not summary execution.

It is relevant for two reasons.  First, the fact that Brown had just committed strong arm robbery explains why he would assault the officer.  Second, because Brown had just committed robbery and was a fleeing felon who physically resisted arrest, the officer can claim that the use of deadly force to prevent the felon's escape was justified.


The police have stated to the press that at the time of the stop the officer was not aware of the robbery.

So, do you just make it up as you go along or are you working from an outline?
 
2014-08-15 01:43:59 PM  
Usually, robbery suspects are arrested and tried, not executed on the spot.
 
2014-08-15 01:48:27 PM  

James!: Chris Ween: James!: Michael Brown didn't turn Ferguson into a war zone.

This is true.  Neither did Robin Williams.  Or that guy Tony Stewart killed.  Or Lauren Bacall...though, you know, the things I'd have done for her....

Chris Ween turned Ferguson into a war zone.


 If shooting one person impresses Jodie Foster.  Imagine how many Jodie Fosters I just impressed.
 
2014-08-15 01:49:01 PM  
cameroncrazy1984: Also if Wilson knew he was a suspect, why did he yell for Brown to get on the sidewalk rather than approaching him to arrest him?

ding ding ding ding
 
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