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(Boston Herald)   Today's the deadline for Market Basket workers to get back to work or be fired. So I guess this is it, they're going back to work and *checks earpiece* nope, I'm getting word that instead of working, they're roasting a lamb on a spit   (bostonherald.com) divider line 76
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2014-08-15 08:57:07 AM  
My local NPR (WBUR) just did their mid-hour news update and the reporter (Bob Oakes) seemed baffled by the fact that they're protesting with a lamb roast and that NPR is reporting it. I think that made my morning, right there.

It was almost like you could hear him going "Really? A lamb roast? We're seriously reporting on this?"
 
2014-08-15 09:02:50 AM  
I love lamp
 
2014-08-15 09:03:41 AM  
Watt?
 
2014-08-15 09:06:59 AM  
Is that a bright thing to do?
 
2014-08-15 09:18:21 AM  
That's no lamp.
 
2014-08-15 09:19:21 AM  

dr_blasto: That's no lamp.


It's a streetlight?
 
2014-08-15 09:27:31 AM  
Guys they just love lamp.
 
2014-08-15 09:45:22 AM  
Lamp with mink jelly.
 
2014-08-15 09:52:41 AM  
As usual, the headline has been corrected and all prior jokes are now meaningless

/THANKS ADMINISTRATOR BUZZKILL
 
2014-08-15 10:46:53 AM  
NEWSFLASH: If you stop showing up at work, you'll probably get fired.
 
2014-08-15 10:59:55 AM  

Bob Falfa: NEWSFLASH: If you stop showing up at work, you'll probably get fired.


NEWSFLASH: If you want loyal workers, don't fark them over and then fire the guy that was making you money and keeping the workers loyal
 
2014-08-15 11:10:15 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: As usual, the headline has been corrected and all prior jokes are now meaningless

/THANKS ADMINISTRATOR BUZZKILL


It's still plausible.

i59.tinypic.com
 
2014-08-15 11:21:34 AM  

Bob Falfa: NEWSFLASH: If you stop showing up at work, you'll probably get fired.


Good luck replacing over 50% of your workforce and the resulting corporate brain drain.  If they start firing managers/store directors they're going to be in even worse trouble.
 
2014-08-15 11:43:20 AM  

Bob Falfa: NEWSFLASH: If you stop showing up at work, you'll probably get fired.


The employees are making it abundantly clear that they would rather be fired than work under the new CEOs.
 
2014-08-15 11:47:08 AM  

somedude210: Bob Falfa: NEWSFLASH: If you stop showing up at work, you'll probably get fired.

NEWSFLASH: If you want loyal workerscustomers, don't fark them over and then fire the guy that was making you money and keeping the workers loyal


Price increases were likely in the near future due to planned changes in business methods. Even if all the workers did come back today, their sales are still down 90+%, which is just as big of a factor in this as anything else, and should be just as newsworthy. Normally boycotts don't hit this hard, or have this kind of staying power.
 
2014-08-15 11:51:02 AM  

dywed88: Bob Falfa: NEWSFLASH: If you stop showing up at work, you'll probably get fired.

The employees are making it abundantly clear that they would rather be fired than work under the new CEOs.


Looks like their wish will come true.

Hey, I feel for the workers, I really do. What happened sucks. If their plan works, great, but I don't see that happening. Yes, the company will lose a lot of valuable experience, but every one of those people can be replaced.
 
2014-08-15 11:56:05 AM  

Bob Falfa: Looks like their wish will come true.


But when those men and women go, so too dies Market Basket.

Pyrrhic Victory, look it up.
 
2014-08-15 11:58:28 AM  

doglover: Bob Falfa: Looks like their wish will come true.

But when those men and women go, so too dies Market Basket.

Pyrrhic Victory, look it up.


So, the solution is to do what the employees want, no matter what? Funny, I though Management ran the company. Maybe the unemployed MB folks can raise a bunch of cash and start their own store. That would be pretty cool.
 
2014-08-15 11:59:46 AM  

Bob Falfa: dywed88: Bob Falfa: NEWSFLASH: If you stop showing up at work, you'll probably get fired.

The employees are making it abundantly clear that they would rather be fired than work under the new CEOs.

Looks like their wish will come true.

Hey, I feel for the workers, I really do. What happened sucks. If their plan works, great, but I don't see that happening. Yes, the company will lose a lot of valuable experience, but every one of those people can be replaced.


Not without great expense after which the company will probably never regain sales. Why do you types never look at the entire issue?
 
2014-08-15 12:01:28 PM  

Bob Falfa: doglover: Bob Falfa: Looks like their wish will come true.

But when those men and women go, so too dies Market Basket.

Pyrrhic Victory, look it up.

So, the solution is to do what the employees want, no matter what? Funny, I though Management ran the company. Maybe the unemployed MB folks can raise a bunch of cash and start their own store. That would be pretty cool.


No. Ultimately, all companies are run by the employees. You know, the people who actually create the goods and provide the services.
 
2014-08-15 12:01:37 PM  

Bob Falfa: doglover: Bob Falfa: Looks like their wish will come true.

But when those men and women go, so too dies Market Basket.

Pyrrhic Victory, look it up.

So, the solution is to do what the employees want, no matter what? Funny, I though Management ran the company. Maybe the unemployed MB folks can raise a bunch of cash and start their own store. That would be pretty cool.


Obviously doing what the board wants isn't working. Their decisions resulted in 50% of their workers walking off the job and a NINETY PERCENT decrease in sales. And you think the board is in the RIGHT here?
 
2014-08-15 12:05:25 PM  

doglover: But when those men and women go, so too dies Market Basket.

Pyrrhic Victory, look it up.


Pretty sure this applies to both sides
 
2014-08-15 12:13:11 PM  
www.esquire.com
 
2014-08-15 12:19:02 PM  

MugzyBrown: doglover: But when those men and women go, so too dies Market Basket.

Pyrrhic Victory, look it up.

Pretty sure this applies to both sides


How so, if the employees win?
 
2014-08-15 12:19:55 PM  

Bob Falfa: Funny, I though Management ran the company.


Then you're an ignorant child.

Leaders are only as powerful as the loyalty they inspire. Without your blessing, no one can control you.
 
2014-08-15 12:30:41 PM  

doglover: Bob Falfa: Funny, I though Management ran the company.

Then you're an ignorant child.

Leaders are only as powerful as the loyalty they inspire. Without your blessing, no one can control you.


I would also like to point out that the Managers are on the side of the rank and file employees. Hell, they're leading the protests.

The only ones siding with Arthur S is the BoD
 
2014-08-15 12:30:51 PM  

Bob Falfa: Funny, I though Management ran the company.


You probably think the government runs the country, too.

Here's a line from Dune that you should remember: he who can destroy a thing controls the thing.

And then ask yourself what exactly is the fundamental power that any population has over its governing body (whether a board of directors or a congress).
 
2014-08-15 12:35:04 PM  

Bob Falfa: doglover: Bob Falfa: Looks like their wish will come true.

But when those men and women go, so too dies Market Basket.

Pyrrhic Victory, look it up.

So, the solution is to do what the employees want, no matter what? Funny, I though Management ran the company. Maybe the unemployed MB folks can raise a bunch of cash and start their own store. That would be pretty cool.


When they have the ability to destroy your business and are willing to use it, you have to listen to your employees.

How about listening to your customers? They have made it abundantly clear that they support the employees' position.

Of course these employees also include most store managers (who had to be instructed to remove signs telling customers to go away) and headquarters staff. It isn't just cashier's and stockboys pissed off, it is almost everyone from top to bottom.
 
2014-08-15 12:35:31 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: How so, if the employees win?


What are they winning other than no paycheck?
 
2014-08-15 12:36:45 PM  

dywed88: How about listening to your customers? They have made it abundantly clear that they support the employees' position.



That's not true.

They've shown they don't want to have to deal with the inconvenience of a protest / poorly manned stores, not that the support the position of the employees.
 
2014-08-15 12:37:35 PM  

MugzyBrown: cameroncrazy1984: How so, if the employees win?

What are they winning other than no paycheck?


Do you often declare victory in the middle of the game?
 
2014-08-15 12:49:26 PM  
They can fire these people sure, but that still wont bring back the customers that are siding with them. And the managers and employees must have figured out what was going on with the two new co-CEOs that have a record of ruining shiat. They could lose their jobs now or lose them in a year or two after pay and benefits are cut to the bone. So its bring back Artie T or watch this place burn.
 
2014-08-15 12:57:32 PM  

Bob Falfa: dywed88: Bob Falfa: NEWSFLASH: If you stop showing up at work, you'll probably get fired.

The employees are making it abundantly clear that they would rather be fired than work under the new CEOs.

Looks like their wish will come true.

Hey, I feel for the workers, I really do. What happened sucks. If their plan works, great, but I don't see that happening. Yes, the company will lose a lot of valuable experience, but every one of those people can be replaced.


haha, the idea that you can just replace an entire workforce overnight is laughable.  In a short amount of time the cost and risk of hiring sleezeballs is pretty high.

Aside from their entire customer base they completely lost.

It's almost as if entire businesses are actually made from the relation between workers and customers.  And yes, the personalities inside the company ARE the company.
 
2014-08-15 01:21:29 PM  
It's been a month since I stepped foot inside a Market Basket.  Since then I've done some shopping at Shaws and Stop & Shop a few towns over.  Most of our shopping is now at Trader Joe's, the farmer's market my town runs every week, and I'm pondering a membership at Costco to get bulk items and be done with it.

Oh, and Amazon Subscribe and Save and a local farm that delivers meat.  I can avoid going to MB far longer than they can not have us as customers.
 
2014-08-15 01:22:28 PM  

Bob Falfa: So, the solution is to do what the employees want, no matter what? Funny, I though Management ran the company. Maybe the unemployed MB folks can raise a bunch of cash and start their own store. That would be pretty cool.



Management would be the corporate officers and executives.  The Board of Directors doesn't manage the Company...they provide oversight and represent the shareholders.
 
2014-08-15 01:42:21 PM  

Bob Falfa: NEWSFLASH: If you stop showing up at work, you'll probably get fired.


/|\ This.

Yeah jobs. What does state unemployment say about quitting? Will they get on the dole?
 
2014-08-15 01:47:00 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Bob Falfa: doglover: Bob Falfa: Looks like their wish will come true.

But when those men and women go, so too dies Market Basket.

Pyrrhic Victory, look it up.

So, the solution is to do what the employees want, no matter what? Funny, I though Management ran the company. Maybe the unemployed MB folks can raise a bunch of cash and start their own store. That would be pretty cool.

Obviously doing what the board wants isn't working. Their decisions resulted in 50% of their workers walking off the job and a NINETY PERCENT decrease in sales. And you think the board is in the RIGHT here?


You can be right and still lose money.

How the fark can you claim that they should not have the right to hire new employees seeing as the old ones refuses to work?

They don't have an organised union structure, all they have are people who decide that they don't want to work, because, reasons.
 
2014-08-15 01:48:58 PM  
The real problem is the board and current management.  They have to be some of the biggest, greediest, idiots around.

Look, if you had a truck that was not getting as good gas mileage as it should be, and when you checked the back you found a 50 pound brick labelled "50 pounds of solid gold", would you throw it away?  No.  Only an idiot would do that.   But that's what their management tried to do.

They stupidly decided to throw away a CEO that got his employees to strike to save his job.   That is solid gold.  I bet more employees dream about killing their boss, not going on strike to save him.

If you have a CEO that could convince people to go on strike for a single day to help him, then you keep that CEO and fire whatever moron thought they should terminate him.

If you persist in thinking that CEO was holding the company back, you let him buy you out.
 
2014-08-15 01:54:45 PM  
It would be a gamble to take a job as a replacement for the fired/striking workers.  If Arthur S. wins, the company will probably go completely to shiat, so you'd be out of a job.  If Arthur T. wins, you'll probably be excessed to allow loyalist ex-employees to be hired back.
 
2014-08-15 01:59:39 PM  
Greeks eating lamb and not going to work ... otherwise known as every day in Greece.
 
2014-08-15 02:03:53 PM  

Bob Falfa: dywed88: Bob Falfa: NEWSFLASH: If you stop showing up at work, you'll probably get fired.

The employees are making it abundantly clear that they would rather be fired than work under the new CEOs.

Looks like their wish will come true.

Hey, I feel for the workers, I really do. What happened sucks. If their plan works, great, but I don't see that happening. Yes, the company will lose a lot of valuable experience, but every one of those people can be replaced.


Employees can be replaced. Customers can't. Particularly when customers want certain employees
 
2014-08-15 02:03:54 PM  

spawn73: You can be right and still lose money.

How the fark can you claim that they should not have the right to hire new employees seeing as the old ones refuses to work?

They don't have an organised union structure, all they have are people who decide that they don't want to work, because, reasons.


Sure, you can be right and lose money, or you can do what Artie T did and gave great benefits to the workers, who loved their jobs and were happy to work at MB, which made them happy to deal with customers, which made customers enjoy going there, making them repeat customers, generating great profits for the company, which is what happened. MB wasn't losing money with ATD at the head. They made money, paid great benefits and still had money to payout to shareholders.

ASD wanted more money because he didn't think the workers deserved to have good benefits, which means that he got more money, the workers got less of a reason to stick around and *poof* you just gave up the one big selling point for working there, it's now just like every other dead-end retail job that makes the workers want to kill themselves.

They didn't decide not to work because reasons, they saw what the BoD and Artie S was doing (cutting benefits to line their own pockets) and bringing in co-CEOs with a history of burning businesses to the ground and you can see where this was taking MB. So they decided to fight the BoD and get the good CEO reinstated.

So yes, you may not agree with the workers (or hell, it doesn't even sound like you understand what's been happening here for the past month) but make no mistake, this isn't for "reasons" they're fighting the BoD because they want to take a successful company and kill it in the name of greed.
 
2014-08-15 02:12:17 PM  
Gov. Deval Patrick earlier this week said that the company was close to agreeing on a price for Arthur T. to buy a controlling share of the company, but was still hammering out other conditions, including financing.

Anyone else notice a trend lately? Whenever employees have a valid grievance or take legal action against an employer, the local and state government officials come out and back the employer. It's always interesting to watch governments come out to help the rich at the expense of the poor.

Here, we had Jay Inslee act as Boeing's biatch, browbeating the union workers until they agreed to a deal - on which those same workers were promptly screwed again. There, well, Deval Patrick knows from which side of his campaign chest is filled, and so whines that the poor are making it harder for the rich to come to an agreement about how to screw the poor.
 
2014-08-15 02:14:11 PM  

spawn73: cameroncrazy1984: Bob Falfa: doglover: Bob Falfa: Looks like their wish will come true.

But when those men and women go, so too dies Market Basket.

Pyrrhic Victory, look it up.

So, the solution is to do what the employees want, no matter what? Funny, I though Management ran the company. Maybe the unemployed MB folks can raise a bunch of cash and start their own store. That would be pretty cool.

Obviously doing what the board wants isn't working. Their decisions resulted in 50% of their workers walking off the job and a NINETY PERCENT decrease in sales. And you think the board is in the RIGHT here?

You can be right and still lose money.

How the fark can you claim that they should not have the right to hire new employees seeing as the old ones refuses to work?

They don't have an organised union structure, all they have are people who decide that they don't want to work, because, reasons.


Being right and having a right are two very different things. The BOD and new CEOs have every right to do what they have been doing.

But it seems pretty hard to argue it is the right thing to do when it litterally screws over everybody, including the Board.
 
2014-08-15 02:20:08 PM  

FormlessOne: Gov. Deval Patrick earlier this week said that the company was close to agreeing on a price for Arthur T. to buy a controlling share of the company, but was still hammering out other conditions, including financing.

Anyone else notice a trend lately? Whenever employees have a valid grievance or take legal action against an employer, the local and state government officials come out and back the employer. It's always interesting to watch governments come out to help the rich at the expense of the poor.

Here, we had Jay Inslee act as Boeing's biatch, browbeating the union workers until they agreed to a deal - on which those same workers were promptly screwed again. There, well, Deval Patrick knows from which side of his campaign chest is filled, and so whines that the poor are making it harder for the rich to come to an agreement about how to screw the poor.


You realize that having Arthur T buy a controlling interest (and presumably allowing him to immediately reinstate himself as CEO) would be exactly what the employees want?

Seems more like the governor is saying "you guys are winning, don't do anything stupid now."

Now, if the employees are fired I doubt there is any actual deal on the table. Until then the statements are perfectly reasonable.
 
2014-08-15 02:26:48 PM  

somedude210: spawn73: You can be right and still lose money.

How the fark can you claim that they should not have the right to hire new employees seeing as the old ones refuses to work?

They don't have an organised union structure, all they have are people who decide that they don't want to work, because, reasons.

<snip>

So yes, you may not agree with the workers (or hell, it doesn't even sound like you understand what's been happening here for the past month) but make no mistake, this isn't for "reasons" they're fighting the BoD because they want to take a successful company and kill it in the name of greed.


Nice strawman there.

I agree with the workers, and I understand what they're fighting for.

That doesn't really adress the issue that the current board aren't in their full moral and legal right to fire people who don't show up for work.

Can you grasp that?
 
2014-08-15 02:29:34 PM  

spawn73: cameroncrazy1984: Bob Falfa: doglover: Bob Falfa: Looks like their wish will come true.

But when those men and women go, so too dies Market Basket.

Pyrrhic Victory, look it up.

So, the solution is to do what the employees want, no matter what? Funny, I though Management ran the company. Maybe the unemployed MB folks can raise a bunch of cash and start their own store. That would be pretty cool.

Obviously doing what the board wants isn't working. Their decisions resulted in 50% of their workers walking off the job and a NINETY PERCENT decrease in sales. And you think the board is in the RIGHT here?

You can be right and still lose money.

How the fark can you claim that they should not have the right to hire new employees seeing as the old ones refuses to work?

They don't have an organised union structure, all they have are people who decide that they don't want to work, because, reasons.


In business, how can you make the correct decision and lose money? Isn't the objective of every business to MAKE money?
 
2014-08-15 02:36:24 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: spawn73: cameroncrazy1984: Bob Falfa: doglover: Bob Falfa: Looks like their wish will come true.

But when those men and women go, so too dies Market Basket.

Pyrrhic Victory, look it up.

So, the solution is to do what the employees want, no matter what? Funny, I though Management ran the company. Maybe the unemployed MB folks can raise a bunch of cash and start their own store. That would be pretty cool.

Obviously doing what the board wants isn't working. Their decisions resulted in 50% of their workers walking off the job and a NINETY PERCENT decrease in sales. And you think the board is in the RIGHT here?

You can be right and still lose money.

How the fark can you claim that they should not have the right to hire new employees seeing as the old ones refuses to work?

They don't have an organised union structure, all they have are people who decide that they don't want to work, because, reasons.

In business, how can you make the correct decision and lose money? Isn't the objective of every business to MAKE money?


I thought we were talking about morals. Which some people have.
 
2014-08-15 02:37:46 PM  

spawn73: I agree with the workers, and I understand what they're fighting for.

That doesn't really adress the issue that the current board aren't in their full moral and legal right to fire people who don't show up for work.

Can you grasp that?


and that's fine, I agree that they have every right to fire the workers (if they do so while following the labor laws, unlike what they tried to do early on in this debacle)

But you had two methods of doing business, Artie T's and Artie S's. One made everyone happy by benefiting everyone, one benefitted the shareholders and that's about it. Everyone else involved got royally screwed, and even then, Artie S's plan was really a short-term one, since the costs of worker turnover would be enough that it would cut into profits, let alone decrease in sales since they're now upping the prices on people and becoming the same as every other supermarket in MA.

So yes, you can be right and lose money, but in this case, being right is relative to whether you're on the BoD or if you're part of the "everyone else" group.
 
2014-08-15 02:39:19 PM  

spawn73: cameroncrazy1984: spawn73: cameroncrazy1984: Bob Falfa: doglover: Bob Falfa: Looks like their wish will come true.

But when those men and women go, so too dies Market Basket.

Pyrrhic Victory, look it up.

So, the solution is to do what the employees want, no matter what? Funny, I though Management ran the company. Maybe the unemployed MB folks can raise a bunch of cash and start their own store. That would be pretty cool.

Obviously doing what the board wants isn't working. Their decisions resulted in 50% of their workers walking off the job and a NINETY PERCENT decrease in sales. And you think the board is in the RIGHT here?

You can be right and still lose money.

How the fark can you claim that they should not have the right to hire new employees seeing as the old ones refuses to work?

They don't have an organised union structure, all they have are people who decide that they don't want to work, because, reasons.

In business, how can you make the correct decision and lose money? Isn't the objective of every business to MAKE money?

I thought we were talking about morals. Which some people have.


It isn't even morally the correct decision. I thought that was obvious.
 
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