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(The Daily Beast)   This is Obama's "Bid Laden plans to attack US" memo, only replace the 'memo' with 'warning' and "Bin Laden plans to attack US" with "Syrian civil war will spill over into Iraq in ways you can't imagine"   (thedailybeast.com ) divider line
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2014-08-15 08:43:58 AM  
I remember bid laden. He was on that storage wars show. He had a great catch phrase, "allah-yuuuuuuup".
 
2014-08-15 08:52:50 AM  
If you're in favor of US military intervention and occupation around the world and being the world's police force, then you damned well better be in favor of tax increases and a military draft
 
2014-08-15 08:56:10 AM  
I'm no isolationist, but I give many more farks about an impending attack on American soil than I do about what happens in Iraq. I'd expect the President to do the same.
 
2014-08-15 09:22:56 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: If you're in favor of US military intervention and occupation around the world and being the world's police force, then you damned well better be in favor of tax increases and a military draft

i54.tinypic.com
 
2014-08-15 09:24:40 AM  
So to extend the analogy with 9/11 is it fair to say that the Obama administration never had a single meeting about Syria and got rid of the director in charge of it?
 
2014-08-15 09:34:56 AM  
I think even calling it 20/20 hindsight is an overstatement.  There was no guarantee arming disparate Syrian resistance groups would have been effective, especially if Assad's regime is that durable.  At best I think it would have stalled the bleed into Iraq, not prevented it.  Plus, how many more times to do we want to engage the lesser of evils only to have come back around and bite us in the ass again?

We need new strategies.  The one Clinton proposed here is the same one that guarantees we're locked into decades of sloppy, counterproductive, and expensive engagement.
 
2014-08-15 09:57:06 AM  

Eddie Adams from Torrance: I'm no isolationist, but I give many more farks about an impending attack on American soil than I do about what happens in Iraq. I'd expect the President to do the same.


But didn't we buy Iraq at some Pottery Barn? That means an attack on Iraq is the same as an attack on the US and Nuri al Maliki is now president.
 
2014-08-15 10:15:58 AM  
Actually, the memo was called "Bin Ladin Determined To Strike in US" and it was given to President Bush on August 6, 2001.
 
2014-08-15 10:17:46 AM  
Remind me again, how many Americans were killed when the Syrian war spilled over into Iraq?
 
2014-08-15 10:20:37 AM  
Well, I'm pretty sure Iraq would have been just fine if people like Hillary didn't give Bush the mandate to have farked it up to begin with.  Add Hillary to the GOP critics of Obama not doing a good enough job cleaning up their mess.
 
2014-08-15 10:23:00 AM  
lh3.googleusercontent.com
 
2014-08-15 10:23:58 AM  
You know who would have been good at stopping ISIS?

Saddam Hussein.
 
2014-08-15 10:31:06 AM  

Rev. Skarekroe: You know who would have been good at stopping ISIS?

Saddam Hussein.


If only Conservatives would have seen a picture of Hussein without his shirt on, they might have liked him as much as Putin.
 
2014-08-15 10:33:56 AM  

mrshowrules: Well, I'm pretty sure Iraq would have been just fine if people like Hillary didn't give Bush the mandate to have farked it up to begin with.  Add Hillary to the GOP critics of Obama not doing a good enough job cleaning up their mess.


It's going to be interesting to see tunes change around here when she gets the Democratic nomination for President.
 
2014-08-15 10:35:14 AM  

mrshowrules: Rev. Skarekroe: You know who would have been good at stopping ISIS?

Saddam Hussein.

If only Conservatives would have seen a picture of Hussein without his shirt on, they might have liked him as much as Putin.


0.media.collegehumor.cvcdn.com
He ain't no Putin

/more of a puddin'
 
2014-08-15 10:36:49 AM  

Nabb1: mrshowrules: Well, I'm pretty sure Iraq would have been just fine if people like Hillary didn't give Bush the mandate to have farked it up to begin with.  Add Hillary to the GOP critics of Obama not doing a good enough job cleaning up their mess.

It's going to be interesting to see tunes change around here when she gets the Democratic nomination for President.


I'm really hoping a new contender emerges between now and 2016

/we really don't need a female McCain
 
2014-08-15 10:37:44 AM  

Nabb1: mrshowrules: Well, I'm pretty sure Iraq would have been just fine if people like Hillary didn't give Bush the mandate to have farked it up to begin with.  Add Hillary to the GOP critics of Obama not doing a good enough job cleaning up their mess.

It's going to be interesting to see tunes change around here when she gets the Democratic nomination for President.


I may opt out entirely on that.  I'm not even sure she'd qualify as a lesser-of-two-evils.
 
2014-08-15 10:41:31 AM  

Diogenes: Nabb1: mrshowrules: Well, I'm pretty sure Iraq would have been just fine if people like Hillary didn't give Bush the mandate to have farked it up to begin with.  Add Hillary to the GOP critics of Obama not doing a good enough job cleaning up their mess.

It's going to be interesting to see tunes change around here when she gets the Democratic nomination for President.

I may opt out entirely on that.  I'm not even sure she'd qualify as a lesser-of-two-evils.


I think she's an amoral, scheming, Machiavellian hell-beast that may be just right for the job.
 
2014-08-15 10:42:29 AM  

Rev. Skarekroe: You know who would have been good at stopping ISIS?



Hitler?
 
2014-08-15 10:52:05 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: If you're in favor of US military intervention and occupation around the world and being the world's police force, then you damned well better be in favor of tax increases and a military draft

 
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-08-15 10:52:50 AM  
Who knew that Obama was the president of Iraq?
 
2014-08-15 11:03:31 AM  
Like it or not, the US does have an interest in not seeing Syria and Iraq completely fall apart and overrun by ISIS.

At the very least, we should be sending overwhelming supplies and staff to help the refugees.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-08-15 11:05:25 AM  

vernonFL: Like it or not, the US does have an interest in not seeing Syria and Iraq completely fall apart and overrun by ISIS.

At the very least, we should be sending overwhelming supplies and staff to help the refugees.


And maybe stop doing things that destabilize the region and create a power vacuum?
 
2014-08-15 11:09:17 AM  

vpb: vernonFL: Like it or not, the US does have an interest in not seeing Syria and Iraq completely fall apart and overrun by ISIS.

At the very least, we should be sending overwhelming supplies and staff to help the refugees.

And maybe stop doing things that destabilize the region and create a power vacuum?


Well, yeah. I feel that unfortunately we have an obligation to Iraq, since we started this shiate show.
 
2014-08-15 11:10:44 AM  

vpb: vernonFL: Like it or not, the US does have an interest in not seeing Syria and Iraq completely fall apart and overrun by ISIS.

At the very least, we should be sending overwhelming supplies and staff to help the refugees.

And maybe stop doing things that destabilize the region and create a power vacuum?


Yes, that, but sitting around and loudly proclaiming how badly Bush and Cheney screwed the pooch over there isn't exactly going to do anything. The US has vested interests in the stability of the region, not to mention the humanitarian crisis. While we are all very excited that we get to wail and gnash our teeth about how awful Bush was, the fact is there is a situation that does perhaps require our attention, and dealing with the fallout of US policy from the previous Administration was going to be a part of the job Obama wanted, whether he likes it or not. If it seems there were indications that his decisions regarding Syria may have been less than well-thought out, that doesn't exonerate Bush in the slightest.
 
2014-08-15 11:18:32 AM  

Nabb1: mrshowrules: Well, I'm pretty sure Iraq would have been just fine if people like Hillary didn't give Bush the mandate to have farked it up to begin with.  Add Hillary to the GOP critics of Obama not doing a good enough job cleaning up their mess.

It's going to be interesting to see tunes change around here when she gets the Democratic nomination for President.


Because if-and-when people around here support a candidate, they totally support every single thing that the candidate supports or has ever supported, right?
 
2014-08-15 11:28:19 AM  

DrBenway: Nabb1: mrshowrules: Well, I'm pretty sure Iraq would have been just fine if people like Hillary didn't give Bush the mandate to have farked it up to begin with.  Add Hillary to the GOP critics of Obama not doing a good enough job cleaning up their mess.

It's going to be interesting to see tunes change around here when she gets the Democratic nomination for President.

Because if-and-when people around here support a candidate, they totally support every single thing that the candidate supports or has ever supported, right?


Let's just wait and see before we get all pissy, perhaps?
 
2014-08-15 11:38:06 AM  

Nabb1: Diogenes: Nabb1: mrshowrules: Well, I'm pretty sure Iraq would have been just fine if people like Hillary didn't give Bush the mandate to have farked it up to begin with.  Add Hillary to the GOP critics of Obama not doing a good enough job cleaning up their mess.

It's going to be interesting to see tunes change around here when she gets the Democratic nomination for President.

I may opt out entirely on that.  I'm not even sure she'd qualify as a lesser-of-two-evils.

I think she's an amoral, scheming, Machiavellian hell-beast that may be just right for the job.


I don't think she's capable of putting anyone's interests ahead of her own, including the country's.
 
2014-08-15 11:38:27 AM  
So the Right will be okay with a statement by the Obama Administration that there was no way we could know it would happen?
 
2014-08-15 11:39:20 AM  

JerseyTim: Actually, the memo was called "Bin Ladin Determined To Strike in US" and it was given to President Bush on August 6, 2001.


And it was one of a series of about a dozen memos included in Bush's daily briefing between May and August.
 
2014-08-15 11:41:33 AM  
Either way it goes, the Pentagon and the Congressional Military Industrial Complex will be laughing all the way to the bank, as usual.  and the middle/working class kids will be paying the blood price, as usual.  oh, and the tax payer gets to pay too.


War is Good Business.
 
2014-08-15 11:41:41 AM  

Rev. Skarekroe: You know who would have been good at stopping ISIS?

Saddam Hussein.


Also Bashar Al-Assad.  If we'd supported the Assad regime, ISIS would never have been a thing.  Of course, supporting Assad is a completely deplorable thing to do.  Even with the benefit of hindsight, I can't see what Obama could have done better.  Arming the "good" rebels (even if you could reliably define and identify them) wouldn't have guaranteed that those arms wouldn't fall into the hands of extremists.  Arming Assad would have led to more civilian deaths.

Being minimally involved (aside from ensuring Assad's WMD got dismantled) was the correct response.  Sometimes situations in the real world have no "good" solution.  The Syrian civil war was one of them.
 
2014-08-15 11:41:44 AM  

Diogenes: Nabb1: Diogenes: Nabb1: mrshowrules: Well, I'm pretty sure Iraq would have been just fine if people like Hillary didn't give Bush the mandate to have farked it up to begin with.  Add Hillary to the GOP critics of Obama not doing a good enough job cleaning up their mess.

It's going to be interesting to see tunes change around here when she gets the Democratic nomination for President.

I may opt out entirely on that.  I'm not even sure she'd qualify as a lesser-of-two-evils.

I think she's an amoral, scheming, Machiavellian hell-beast that may be just right for the job.

I don't think she's capable of putting anyone's interests ahead of her own, including the country's.


Based on 20 years of propaganda from Fox News, I'd say you're right.

Based on anything she's actually done while in office, not so much.
 
2014-08-15 11:42:26 AM  

Arkanaut: JerseyTim: Actually, the memo was called "Bin Ladin Determined To Strike in US" and it was given to President Bush on August 6, 2001.

And it was one of a series of about a dozen memos included in Bush's daily briefing between May and August.


Moot point if Clinton had killed him when he said he could have.
 
2014-08-15 11:44:11 AM  

Diogenes: Nabb1: Diogenes: Nabb1: mrshowrules: Well, I'm pretty sure Iraq would have been just fine if people like Hillary didn't give Bush the mandate to have farked it up to begin with.  Add Hillary to the GOP critics of Obama not doing a good enough job cleaning up their mess.

It's going to be interesting to see tunes change around here when she gets the Democratic nomination for President.

I may opt out entirely on that.  I'm not even sure she'd qualify as a lesser-of-two-evils.

I think she's an amoral, scheming, Machiavellian hell-beast that may be just right for the job.

I don't think she's capable of putting anyone's interests ahead of her own, including the country's.


At least she'll have a farking plan instead of "LIBS BAD!"
 
2014-08-15 11:44:20 AM  
Not to dis Iraqis, but how is this the equivalent of "terrorists will attack US soil"?
 
2014-08-15 11:44:31 AM  

Linux_Yes: Either way it goes, the Pentagon and the Congressional Military Industrial Complex will be laughing all the way to the bank, as usual.  and the middle/working class kids will be paying the blood price, as usual.  oh, and the tax payer gets to pay too.


War is Good Business.



the day a Wealthy F*ck's mice has to fight and die in War is the day War goes away (unless this Nation has foreign troops on its beaches ---rare indeed)
 
2014-08-15 11:45:47 AM  

MrBallou: Diogenes: Nabb1: Diogenes: Nabb1: mrshowrules: Well, I'm pretty sure Iraq would have been just fine if people like Hillary didn't give Bush the mandate to have farked it up to begin with.  Add Hillary to the GOP critics of Obama not doing a good enough job cleaning up their mess.

It's going to be interesting to see tunes change around here when she gets the Democratic nomination for President.

I may opt out entirely on that.  I'm not even sure she'd qualify as a lesser-of-two-evils.

I think she's an amoral, scheming, Machiavellian hell-beast that may be just right for the job.

I don't think she's capable of putting anyone's interests ahead of her own, including the country's.

Based on 20 years of propaganda from Fox News, I'd say you're right.

Based on anything she's actually done while in office, not so much.


If you think I've been swallowing the Fox News line then you're sadly mistaken and clearly aren't familiar with me.  I thought you were.

Secondly, it's been to our benefit that her interests and the country's mostly are in parity.  This may not always be the case.

Sorry if you find my apparent apostasy distasteful.
 
2014-08-15 11:46:21 AM  
Hillary on Syria:

You know, this is why I called the chapter on Syria "A Wicked Problem." I can't sit here today and say that if we had done what I recommended, and what Robert Ford recommended, that we'd be in a demonstrably different place.

http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/08/hillary-cli nt on-failure-to-help-syrian-rebels-led-to-the-rise-of-isis/375832/?singl e_page=true
 
2014-08-15 11:46:24 AM  

Nabb1: vpb: vernonFL: Like it or not, the US does have an interest in not seeing Syria and Iraq completely fall apart and overrun by ISIS.

At the very least, we should be sending overwhelming supplies and staff to help the refugees.

And maybe stop doing things that destabilize the region and create a power vacuum?

Yes, that, but sitting around and loudly proclaiming how badly Bush and Cheney screwed the pooch over there isn't exactly going to do anything. The US has vested interests in the stability of the region, not to mention the humanitarian crisis. While we are all very excited that we get to wail and gnash our teeth about how awful Bush was, the fact is there is a situation that does perhaps require our attention, and dealing with the fallout of US policy from the previous Administration was going to be a part of the job Obama wanted, whether he likes it or not. If it seems there were indications that his decisions regarding Syria may have been less than well-thought out, that doesn't exonerate Bush in the slightest.


Wait you wanted direct intervention in Syria?
 
2014-08-15 11:46:40 AM  

meat0918: Not to dis Iraqis, but how is this the equivalent of "terrorists will attack US soil"?


It's not, but half the country really, really needs Obama to screw up something on a regular basis.
 
2014-08-15 11:46:56 AM  
the Real Hilarity is that this Nation is fighting for "Democracy" overseas when we don't even have much of it left at Home.


too Ironic.   and pathetic.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-08-15 11:50:07 AM  
Nabb1:

Yes, that, but sitting around and loudly proclaiming how badly Bush and Cheney screwed the pooch over there isn't exactly going to do anything. The US has vested interests in the stability of the region, not to mention the humanitarian crisis. While we are all very excited that we get to wail and gnash our teeth about how awful Bush was, the fact is there is a situation that does perhaps require our attention, and dealing with the fallout of US policy from the previous Administration was going to be a part of the job Obama wanted, whether he likes it or not. If it seems there were indications that his decisions regarding Syria may have been less than well-thought out, that doesn't exonerate Bush in the slightest.

Our interests there are not unlimited.  I think the idea that the ME is vital because we depend on it's oil doesn't really wash anymore.

I don't mind sending some humanitarian or military aid, or even dropping some bombs.  I do draw the line at sending ground troops though.
 
2014-08-15 11:50:37 AM  
Yeah if only we had provided arms to the people that would become ISIS, everything would have been fine.
 
2014-08-15 11:53:19 AM  

jayhawk88: meat0918: Not to dis Iraqis, but how is this the equivalent of "terrorists will attack US soil"?

It's not, but half the country really, really needs Obama to screw up something on a regular basis.



and that half will still fail in 2016 to get their guy into office.  just like they did in 2012.
 
2014-08-15 11:54:37 AM  
Nice headline, Subby! Hilarious and spot on.


Only replace "nice headline" with "what a pathetic effort" and "hilarious and spot on" with "convoluted and wildly inaccurate".
 
2014-08-15 11:55:15 AM  

Nabb1: DrBenway: Nabb1: mrshowrules: Well, I'm pretty sure Iraq would have been just fine if people like Hillary didn't give Bush the mandate to have farked it up to begin with.  Add Hillary to the GOP critics of Obama not doing a good enough job cleaning up their mess.

It's going to be interesting to see tunes change around here when she gets the Democratic nomination for President.

Because if-and-when people around here support a candidate, they totally support every single thing that the candidate supports or has ever supported, right?

Let's just wait and see before we get all pissy, perhaps?


Physician, heal thyself.
 
2014-08-15 11:55:39 AM  

Nabb1: mrshowrules: Well, I'm pretty sure Iraq would have been just fine if people like Hillary didn't give Bush the mandate to have farked it up to begin with.  Add Hillary to the GOP critics of Obama not doing a good enough job cleaning up their mess.

It's going to be interesting to see tunes change around here when she gets the Democratic nomination for President.


I'll tell you ahead of time. I prefer Biden.  My position will change to her as the lesser of two evils after she wins the nomination assuming the GOP nominee is any current GOP politician.
 
2014-08-15 11:55:50 AM  

meat0918: Not to dis Iraqis, but how is this the equivalent of "terrorists will attack US soil"?



'murica's Owners needs the boogie man so they can continue to f*ck with other Nations overseas and continue to scare the little people here at home so they can continue to get a huge chunk of that tax money every year. (approaching 750 billion per year and growing)

see, Fear really does work!

Freedom is great!
 
2014-08-15 11:56:40 AM  
Remember when Republicans were giving credit for the "Arab Spring" to Bush and the Iraq invasion? Good times.
 
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