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2014-08-15 09:03:36 AM  
a century later Panama owns the canal outright, and the country is one of the most prosperous in the region.

Damn US imperialism.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-08-15 10:02:20 AM  

Son of Thunder: a century later Panama owns the canal outright, and the country is one of the most prosperous in the region.

Damn US imperialism.


there were plenty of people who thought Carter was a traitor for handing the canal over early, and some who thought it shouldn't be turned over at all.
 
2014-08-15 10:16:37 AM  
Ah, this canal plan. What are the possible implications of sending dozens of large tankers through the only major source of freshwater in your entire country? What could possibly go wrong?

www.npr.org
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-08-15 10:53:46 AM  

RexTalionis: Ah, this canal plan. What are the possible implications of sending dozens of large tankers through the only major source of freshwater in your entire country? What could possibly go wrong?



Are those other rivers and lakes you can see on the map salt water?
 
2014-08-15 10:57:19 AM  

vpb: RexTalionis: Ah, this canal plan. What are the possible implications of sending dozens of large tankers through the only major source of freshwater in your entire country? What could possibly go wrong?


Are those other rivers and lakes you can see on the map salt water?


"the lake is the nation's largest source of freshwater, in which the water quality during construction as well as during ship transits will be subjected to environmental accidents."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Nicaragua

I said it's the only major source of freshwater, not the only source of freshwater.
 
2014-08-15 11:00:21 AM  

vpb: Son of Thunder: a century later Panama owns the canal outright, and the country is one of the most prosperous in the region.

Damn US imperialism.

there were plenty of people who thought Carter was a traitor for handing the canal over early, and some who thought it shouldn't be turned over at all.


Which means a second canal should induce exuberant schadenfreude. HAHA, PANAMA!

Besides, a second canal should lower shipping costs and increase shipping options.
 
2014-08-15 11:07:01 AM  

vpb: Son of Thunder: a century later Panama owns the canal outright, and the country is one of the most prosperous in the region.

Damn US imperialism.

there were plenty of people who thought Carter was a traitor for handing the canal over early, and some who thought it shouldn't be turned over at all.


There still are. I'm not sure if I'm one of them though. ...too early to tell. I'm pretty sure that was one of Ronald Reagan's campaign issues, though I don't remember if it was 1980 against Jimmy Carter, or 1976 against Jerry Ford in 1976 for the GOP nomination.
 
2014-08-15 11:09:51 AM  
Fun fact: Lake Nicaragua has the world's only freshwater sharks.
 
2014-08-15 12:08:46 PM  

Kevin72: Fun fact: Lake Nicaragua has the world's only freshwater sharks.


Not for long they don't
 
2014-08-15 12:12:13 PM  
Ah.. another example of why the USA is so awesome.  Many have tried, only we prevailed.  This Chinese guy will fail too.
 
2014-08-15 12:12:23 PM  
shoot, it is not going to be easy to drain that lake for mosquitos
 
2014-08-15 12:12:47 PM  
"People are also very worried about the beaches, and what happens if the diggers dig too deep and disturb the active volcanoes," says Bol

I loved "Crack in the World".
 
2014-08-15 12:13:42 PM  

Kevin72: freshwater sharks


not true
 
2014-08-15 12:14:15 PM  
Surely the government of such a poor nation would think to never compromise a vital natural resource. This has to be the work of +++CARRIER LOST+++
 
2014-08-15 12:15:43 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: "People are also very worried about the beaches, and what happens if the diggers dig too deep and disturb the active volcanoes," says Bol

I loved "Crack in the World".


Nicely obscure, I'd have gone for the Balrog myself.
 
2014-08-15 12:15:49 PM  

TrollingForColumbine: Kevin72: freshwater sharks

not true


Are you calling BULL SHARK?
 
2014-08-15 12:18:08 PM  
"People are also very worried about the beaches, and what happens if the diggers dig too deep and disturb the active volcanoes," says Bol.


So, there'll be a Smoking Sea where Nicaragua used to be? Tidal waves annihilating Jamaica? A wealthy Nicaraguan family will conquer Europe? The value of high-quality Nicaraguan swords will rise exponentially?
 
2014-08-15 12:18:32 PM  
amuseorbemused.com
 
2014-08-15 12:19:02 PM  
Go hang a salami, I'm a lasagna hog!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUQDzj6R3p4
 
2014-08-15 12:19:31 PM  

Kevin72: Fun fact: Lake Nicaragua has the world's only freshwater sharks.


Oh yeah?
 
2014-08-15 12:21:27 PM  
I'll go get fifteen years worth of popcorn. This is gonna be good.
 
2014-08-15 12:21:35 PM  
It's not going to happen.  The distance is much further than Panama's, and Panama is already getting $5 billion together for the next stage of their expansion, which will handle 18,000 container ships.
 
2014-08-15 12:22:16 PM  

special20: TrollingForColumbine: Kevin72: freshwater sharks

not true

Are you calling BULL SHARK?


Yeah maybe only land locked lake sharks are there, not even sure about that, but bull sharks thrive in brackish/fresh water.
 
2014-08-15 12:26:18 PM  

Kevin72: Fun fact: Lake Nicaragua has the world's only freshwater sharks.


Those sharks are actually going back and forth to the Atlantic using the same river which has had smaller ships coming up to Lake Nicaragua for quite a while.
 
2014-08-15 12:26:55 PM  

Muzzleloader: special20: TrollingForColumbine: Kevin72: freshwater sharks

not true

Are you calling BULL SHARK?

Yeah maybe only land locked lake sharks are there, not even sure about that, but bull sharks thrive in brackish/fresh water.


Bull Sharks exist in other fresh water lakes. There are some in Louisiana and in Australia. That is probably the result of flooding though. Usually they prefer coastal rivers and ocean.
 
2014-08-15 12:27:22 PM  
Are they going to use a string of nuclear demolitions and make the entire canal in under 10 minutes?

IIRC, that's what they proposed back in the 60's.
 
2014-08-15 12:30:21 PM  
FTA: Telemaco is the rector of a major Nicaraguan University

Uh, there are major Nicaraguan Universities?
 
2014-08-15 12:31:12 PM  
it's as under-budgeted at $50 billion as the Big Dig in Boston.
 
2014-08-15 12:32:26 PM  

RexTalionis: vpb: RexTalionis: Ah, this canal plan. What are the possible implications of sending dozens of large tankers through the only major source of freshwater in your entire country? What could possibly go wrong?


Are those other rivers and lakes you can see on the map salt water?

"the lake is the nation's largest source of freshwater, in which the water quality during construction as well as during ship transits will be subjected to environmental accidents."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Nicaragua

I said it's the only major source of freshwater, not the only source of freshwater.


Well  that settles it. Because there might be an accident somewhere at some time we should not do anything anywhere.because, you know what if.

Avoid those intersections and crosswalks at all costs
 
2014-08-15 12:35:28 PM  

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: It's not going to happen.  The distance is much further than Panama's, and Panama is already getting $5 billion together for the next stage of their expansion, which will handle 18,000 container ships.


... and absolutely no ships are waiting to get through the Panama Canal.

img.fark.net
Click map. Click "Live Map" link. Zoom in on Panama.
 
2014-08-15 12:40:28 PM  

cgraves67: Muzzleloader: special20: TrollingForColumbine: Kevin72: freshwater sharks

not true

Are you calling BULL SHARK?

Yeah maybe only land locked lake sharks are there, not even sure about that, but bull sharks thrive in brackish/fresh water.

Bull Sharks exist in other fresh water lakes. There are some in Louisiana and in Australia. That is probably the result of flooding though. Usually they prefer coastal rivers and ocean.


In case everyone can read half a paragraph:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Nicaragua#Lake_ecology
 
2014-08-15 12:40:31 PM  

hasty ambush: RexTalionis: vpb: RexTalionis: Ah, this canal plan. What are the possible implications of sending dozens of large tankers through the only major source of freshwater in your entire country? What could possibly go wrong?


Are those other rivers and lakes you can see on the map salt water?

"the lake is the nation's largest source of freshwater, in which the water quality during construction as well as during ship transits will be subjected to environmental accidents."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Nicaragua

I said it's the only major source of freshwater, not the only source of freshwater.

Well  that settles it. Because there might be an accident somewhere at some time we should not do anything anywhere.because, you know what if.

Avoid those intersections and crosswalks at all costs


Yes, running a significant fraction of world shipping through your drinking water IS a lot like crossing a street.

At least most of it would be coming from China so they know if something does spill they can be sure whatever chemicals are involved are up to code and accurately listed.
 
2014-08-15 12:47:20 PM  
Didn't Vanderbilt want to try this in the 1850s?  A contingent from the US invaded Nicaragua in order to try and establish a slavery-friendly colony there or something?
 
2014-08-15 12:47:41 PM  
Nicaragua? Agua? Are you threatening me?
 
2014-08-15 12:49:24 PM  
I know I'm not the only one but $50 Billion seems woefully insufficient....

... unless you're using basically slave labor (which it will) and Chinese quality concrete and materials (which it will), have an utter lack of environmental controls and restrictions (which it will) and the ability to pay pennies on the dollar or outright steal land (which it will)...

Never mind, $50B should be plenty...
 
2014-08-15 12:50:22 PM  

WelldeadLink: Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: It's not going to happen.  The distance is much further than Panama's, and Panama is already getting $5 billion together for the next stage of their expansion, which will handle 18,000 container ships.

... and absolutely no ships are waiting to get through the Panama Canal.

[img.fark.net image 436x588]
Click map. Click "Live Map" link. Zoom in on Panama.


That is a really cool site- thanks!!
 
2014-08-15 12:51:31 PM  

Ned Stark: hasty ambush: RexTalionis: vpb: RexTalionis: Ah, this canal plan. What are the possible implications of sending dozens of large tankers through the only major source of freshwater in your entire country? What could possibly go wrong?


Are those other rivers and lakes you can see on the map salt water?

"the lake is the nation's largest source of freshwater, in which the water quality during construction as well as during ship transits will be subjected to environmental accidents."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Nicaragua

I said it's the only major source of freshwater, not the only source of freshwater.

Well  that settles it. Because there might be an accident somewhere at some time we should not do anything anywhere.because, you know what if.

Avoid those intersections and crosswalks at all costs

Yes, running a significant fraction of world shipping through your drinking water IS a lot like crossing a street.

At least most of it would be coming from China so they know if something does spill they can be sure whatever chemicals are involved are up to code and accurately listed.


An Gatun Lake (Panama Canal) is also a major source of fresh Water for the region. but it would not even exist but for the canal.  But  stop all the shipping because you know and accident might happen.
 
2014-08-15 12:52:08 PM  
upload.wikimedia.org Nicaragua!
 
2014-08-15 12:54:26 PM  
What about the volcanoes?


Is anything too obscure for FARK?

CSB:  I had to write a paper on the canal when I was in middle school.  I mentioned it to my mom and dad; my dad went to his office and came back with one of the famous letters from Bunau-Varilla to the members of the US Senate, complete with the Mt. Momotombo stamp.
 
2014-08-15 12:56:14 PM  
I thought the headline said anal :(
 
2014-08-15 12:56:58 PM  

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: It's not going to happen.  The distance is much further than Panama's, and Panama is already getting $5 billion together for the next stage of their expansion, which will handle 18,000 container ships.


But it's flat. Much easier than cutting through the Darien mountain range in Panama. Plus, the drug cartels need somewhere to launder their money; might as well wash it through canal construction as empty high-rise office buildings (seriously, downtown Panama City is a ghost town of skyscrapers).
 
2014-08-15 01:01:32 PM  

Billy Liar: Didn't Vanderbilt want to try this in the 1850s?  A contingent from the US invaded Nicaragua in order to try and establish a slavery-friendly colony there or something?


William Walker and his filibusters ran Nicaragua for awhile in the 1850s, until the Spanish-speaking governments of surrounding countries ganged up their armies on him. He screwed Vanderbilt over, though, they weren't in cahoots.
 
2014-08-15 01:13:06 PM  
A UGA racin':
www.examiner.com
 
2014-08-15 01:16:41 PM  

TheNewJesus: I thought the headline said anal :(


Wrong Central American country, I know, but still:
 s2.quickmeme.com
 
2014-08-15 01:16:49 PM  

Son of Thunder: a century later Panama owns the canal outright, and the country is one of the most prosperous in the region.

Damn US imperialism.


Said the country we call Columbia who probably would have had the canal if they hadn't been so anti-U.S.
 
2014-08-15 01:18:19 PM  
What is this, 1902?
 
2014-08-15 01:21:00 PM  

MartinD-35: Son of Thunder: a century later Panama owns the canal outright, and the country is one of the most prosperous in the region.

Damn US imperialism.

Said the country we call Columbia who probably would have had the canal if they hadn't been so anti-U.S damn greedy.


They thought they could call the shots. Roosevelt looked at the group of Revolutionaries in Panama and thought 'Eh, f*ck Colombia'.
 
2014-08-15 01:22:38 PM  

MartinD-35: Son of Thunder: a century later Panama owns the canal outright, and the country is one of the most prosperous in the region.

Damn US imperialism.

Said the country we call Columbia who probably would have had the canal if they hadn't been so anti-U.S.


It's because nobody here ever spells their name right.
 
2014-08-15 01:25:03 PM  

MartinD-35: Son of Thunder: a century later Panama owns the canal outright, and the country is one of the most prosperous in the region.

Damn US imperialism.

Said the country we call Columbia who probably would have had the canal if they hadn't been so anti-U.S.


You mean Colombia?

I'm curious. Where was Colombia going to put the canal? In the Darien Gap?
 
2014-08-15 01:26:33 PM  

with great power comes great insanity: MartinD-35: Son of Thunder: a century later Panama owns the canal outright, and the country is one of the most prosperous in the region.

Damn US imperialism.

Said the country we call Columbia who probably would have had the canal if they hadn't been so anti-U.S.

You mean Colombia?

I'm curious. Where was Colombia going to put the canal? In the Darien Gap?


Panama was part of Colombia until they staged a coup that the US immediately recognized. This was during the canal negotiations.
 
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