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(NJ.com)   George Takei on coming out, what makes a sci-fi classic and dealing with the "crazy uncle" in the "Star Trek" family. (Guess who?)   (nj.com) divider line 27
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2014-08-15 09:29:40 AM  
I really enjoyed Takei's first autobiography (before he came out). I like how he used to hang out with Walter Keonig all the time and while the show was cancelled, Keonig would basically pass him rumors and gossip about stuff.
 
2014-08-15 10:23:34 AM  
I have sort of taken a renewed interest in Star Trek lately. I am watching the Original Series. I remember seeing Trekkies and last night watched TMP. As I'm watching it, I suddenly - and fully - understand Galaxy Quest. I've never disliked William Shatner, but you can see that he's trying waaaay too hard in TMP. Nimoy, btw, is a totally different character to me. Maybe they were shaking off the rust, I dunno.
 
2014-08-15 10:32:44 AM  

Nadie_AZ: I've never disliked William Shatner, but you can see that he's trying waaaay too hard in TMP.


For a period after Star Trek was cancelled (and his wife divorcing him), Shatner was typecasted as Kirk and couldn't find jobs and was basically homeless for a while, living in his truck in someone's backyard. He was basically reduced to taking roles in C-movies and appearing at children's parties for the better part of the 1970s until Star Trek TMP ramped up.

It's not that he was trying too hard, it's that he doesn't want to be homeless ever again.
 
2014-08-15 11:10:12 AM  

Nadie_AZ: I've never disliked William Shatner, but you can see that he's trying waaaay too hard in TMP


Talk about trying too hard, Takei can't STFU. Is that a hate crime for saying that?
 
2014-08-15 11:15:57 AM  

Mugato: Nadie_AZ: I've never disliked William Shatner, but you can see that he's trying waaaay too hard in TMP

Talk about trying too hard, Takei can't STFU. Is that a hate crime for saying that?


He's clearly enjoying his celebrity status.

I read the short bio on wiki, Rex. I can appreciate his reaction to things. His 3 years on a show he probably saw as just another role ended up haunting him as it cost him his career for a decade. Hard to want to be a part of a cult following when they love you for doing something that was hurting you personally.
 
2014-08-15 11:26:57 AM  

Nadie_AZ: Nimoy, btw, is a totally different character to me.


Do you mean in TMP or do you mean looking back you find Nimoy/Spock different as a whole than you thought all those years ago?

Because Spock was supposed to be different in TMP for the first 2/3's of the movie. Until the bedside scene with Kirk...
 
2014-08-15 11:28:06 AM  

Nadie_AZ: I read the short bio on wiki, Rex. I can appreciate his reaction to things. His 3 years on a show he probably saw as just another role ended up haunting him as it cost him his career for a decade. Hard to want to be a part of a cult following when they love you for doing something that was hurting you personally.


Check out his first autobiography "Star Trek Memories." He goes a bit more in depth about it. Neighborhood kids used to come and talk to him and he'll stay in character as Kirk and tell them that it's the shuttlecraft Galileo.
 
2014-08-15 11:28:44 AM  
George Takei is a class act and has become one of my favorite celebs.


Kinda sad to think that even the younger people from Star Trek are approaching 80 years old
 
2014-08-15 11:30:58 AM  

Majick Thise: Kinda sad to think that even the younger people from Star Trek are approaching 80 years old


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Balok aged especially badly...
 
2014-08-15 11:37:10 AM  
Shatner, Shatner... *clicks article* yep.
 
2014-08-15 11:57:50 AM  
Crazy uncle?  Shatner obviously.

Pervy uncle?  Gene, no doubt.
 
2014-08-15 12:01:02 PM  
Oh, relax.  Shatner's good people, but he's a very "me first" kind of guy. It makes his relationships volatile.

Takei is old enough and rich enough that he doesn't have to pretend to like the guy every minute of the day.
 
2014-08-15 12:17:21 PM  
Crazy Uncle Hirohito?
 
2014-08-15 12:21:23 PM  
There are some constants in the universe.  Shater being an ass to the people he works with seems to be one of them.  He's iconic, a showman, and generally extroverted, so he gets away with it.  He's the guy it takes real effort, a very thick skin, and great personal security to maintain a friendship with.  It's a surprise Nimoy bothered with the effort.
 
2014-08-15 03:41:24 PM  

NeoCortex42: Crazy uncle?  Shatner obviously.

Pervy uncle?  Gene, no doubt.


Oh god, so true.  ST's portrayals of intimacy/sexuality became markedly better once they didn't have to conform to his tee-hee adolescent prurience.  In fact I think the franchise (TNG and DS9) became generally better after he died.  At least until it became worse.

Seriously, he had to die for Troi to get a proper officer's uniform.  How farked up is that.
 
2014-08-15 03:53:12 PM  

No Such Agency: NeoCortex42: Crazy uncle?  Shatner obviously.

Pervy uncle?  Gene, no doubt.

Oh god, so true.  ST's portrayals of intimacy/sexuality became markedly better once they didn't have to conform to his tee-hee adolescent prurience.  In fact I think the franchise (TNG and DS9) became generally better after he died.  At least until it became worse.

Seriously, he had to die for Troi to get a proper officer's uniform.  How farked up is that.


He was a lot like George Lucas in the sense that he was great at setting the stage, but should be kept far away from scripts.  Part of the improvement after his death was they no longer had to conform to his completely utopian views on the show.
 
2014-08-15 05:26:46 PM  

No Such Agency: NeoCortex42: Crazy uncle?  Shatner obviously.

Pervy uncle?  Gene, no doubt.

Oh god, so true.  ST's portrayals of intimacy/sexuality became markedly better once they didn't have to conform to his tee-hee adolescent prurience.  In fact I think the franchise (TNG and DS9) became generally better after he died.  At least until it became worse.

Seriously, he had to die for Troi to get a proper officer's uniform.  How farked up is that.


Gene had a GREAT vision and totally nailed the big picture, but he really only had one good story in him (The Cage) and one mediocre story (Encounter At Farpoint). TMP was his and though the directors cut brought it up to 'watchable/decent' it was very still very derivative of The Changling. When his great vision was handled by professional writers it did best. Gene gave us a future we could hope for and Star Trek to enjoy but he should have used his executive producer spot as a figurehead spot only.
 
2014-08-15 05:34:04 PM  

NeoCortex42: Part of the improvement after his death was they no longer had to conform to his completely utopian views on the show.


rindastartrekds9.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-08-15 09:10:22 PM  

pheelix: NeoCortex42: Part of the improvement after his death was they no longer had to conform to his completely utopian views on the show.

[rindastartrekds9.files.wordpress.com image 630x330]


Best Trek episode. No contest.

/Garak's the best character
 
2014-08-15 09:14:51 PM  

Sid_6.7: pheelix: NeoCortex42: Part of the improvement after his death was they no longer had to conform to his completely utopian views on the show.

[rindastartrekds9.files.wordpress.com image 630x330]

Best Trek episode. No contest.

/Garak's the best character


The only thing that would have made the episode better would be if Sisko himself would have had everyone killed.
 
2014-08-15 09:26:05 PM  

Mugato: Nadie_AZ: I've never disliked William Shatner, but you can see that he's trying waaaay too hard in TMP

Talk about trying too hard, Takei can't STFU. Is that a hate crime for saying that?


Somebody is a little butthurt.
 
2014-08-15 11:00:09 PM  

LoneWolf343: Mugato: Nadie_AZ: I've never disliked William Shatner, but you can see that he's trying waaaay too hard in TMP

Talk about trying too hard, Takei can't STFU. Is that a hate crime for saying that?

Somebody is a little butthurt.


no, he is right
 
2014-08-16 01:11:22 AM  

pheelix: NeoCortex42: Part of the improvement after his death was they no longer had to conform to his completely utopian views on the show.

[rindastartrekds9.files.wordpress.com image 630x330]


While I loved DS9 (I have it ranked #2, behind TNG), I see your post and am going to have to raise you The Inner Light and Best of Both Worlds, parts 1 and 2 (both TNG).

(Random, but funny, so what the hell? I have a non-Trekkie friend - I'm trying to convert her, I swear - who told me one day that her new boyfriend had a really weirdly named cat. She didn't want to admit she had no idea, so she asked me if I knew.

It's named Gul DuCat. Great cat name or greatest cat name?)

I now return you to your formerly scheduled Fark thread version of this.

/Al, I love you, man, but that question's not tough. Picard.
//Going to find my really special bubble wrap now
 
2014-08-16 01:13:13 AM  

Sid_6.7: pheelix: NeoCortex42: Part of the improvement after his death was they no longer had to conform to his completely utopian views on the show.

[rindastartrekds9.files.wordpress.com image 630x330]

Best Trek episode. No contest.

/Garak's the best character


OK, please go ahead and laugh at my momentary stupidity. I intended to reply to this.

I'm still right, though.
 
2014-08-16 11:16:33 AM  

chitownmike: LoneWolf343: Mugato: Nadie_AZ: I've never disliked William Shatner, but you can see that he's trying waaaay too hard in TMP

Talk about trying too hard, Takei can't STFU. Is that a hate crime for saying that?

Somebody is a little butthurt.

no, he is right


That just means you're both butthurt. I wonder why.
 
2014-08-16 11:48:27 AM  

57Academics: Sid_6.7: pheelix: NeoCortex42: Part of the improvement after his death was they no longer had to conform to his completely utopian views on the show.

[rindastartrekds9.files.wordpress.com image 630x330]

Best Trek episode. No contest.

/Garak's the best character

OK, please go ahead and laugh at my momentary stupidity. I intended to reply to this.

I'm still right, though.


Picard is awesome, and Patrick Stewart is easily the best actor to have been involved with Trek on any level, but I prefer the post-Roddenberry gray morality.
 
2014-08-16 03:55:14 PM  

Sid_6.7: 57Academics: Sid_6.7: pheelix: NeoCortex42: Part of the improvement after his death was they no longer had to conform to his completely utopian views on the show.

[rindastartrekds9.files.wordpress.com image 630x330]

Best Trek episode. No contest.

/Garak's the best character

OK, please go ahead and laugh at my momentary stupidity. I intended to reply to this.

I'm still right, though.

Picard is awesome, and Patrick Stewart is easily the best actor to have been involved with Trek on any level, but I prefer the post-Roddenberry gray morality.


Oh, I completely understand. If his original vision had kept up, there'd be no conflict and therefore no plot. Which is rather interesting, considering that from a TNG point of view, the entire idea behind the pilot was "You humans are jackasses. Not quite as much as you used to be, but you still suck."

I had the pleasure of meeting a really lovely guy once who was an old friend of Roddenberry's. He had some really cool things to say as someone who saw it all from the sidelines. He said he at least once took Gene by the shoulders and went "You cannot use a utopia! Then there's nothing for humanity to reach for!" (He also said he won't ever play poker with Wil Wheaton again, because "that damn kid wiped the floor with me!")

The parts of TNG I loved were definitely the parts where that grey morality started emerging. And it became so incredible when DS9 turned that up to 11.

Except for that whole Worf/Jadzia plotline. That was stupid. (And all I need to say about stupidity within TNG is "Code of Honor".)
 
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