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2014-08-15 08:42:16 AM  
'bout goddamned time. I've long been somewhat ambivalent towards our relationship with Israel, but the "don't ever question me again" bullshiat pushed me towards the "Y'know what? fark these guys" camp.
 
2014-08-15 09:01:35 AM  
F*ck Netanyahu
 
2014-08-15 09:20:29 AM  

img.fark.net

 
2014-08-15 09:23:36 AM  
So Obama is anti-Semitic?
 
2014-08-15 09:36:20 AM  

I_Am_Weasel: So Obama is anti-Semitic?


Depending on who you ask, not arming Israel without question makes him anti-American.
 
2014-08-15 09:55:29 AM  
Congress authorized transfer of weapons already in Israel in the WRSA-I , War Reserve Stock-Israel. The military transferred the arms and even acknowledged it separate from the bill to fund Iron Dome


On Wednesday, a Pentagon official told CBS News senior national security correspondent David Martin that Israel had requested ammunition supplies from the U.S. on July 20 under the normal Foreign Military Sales program - just like any other country that buys U.S. weapons systems. It was not an emergency request.

The State Department approved it and turned it over to the Pentagon to fill. The Pentagon decided to use some aging ammunition - 120 mm mortar rounds and 40 mm grenade rounds -- from its emergency War Reserve Stocks in Israel to fill part of the request because it was time to rotate that ammo out of the stockpile. The rest of the Israeli request is still being filled through the normal FMS system which takes a long time to deliver.


so really the Pentagon realized it had munitions in the WRSA-I and it was cheaper to hand them off to the Israelis then fly them back to the US for disposal

That being said I do think Bibi is a jerk and Obama has been a far better president for Israel then GWB ever was, since Bush screwed them over multiple times.
 
2014-08-15 10:03:27 AM  
Has Israel seriously ever done a single worthwhile thing?  They're nothing but a high maintenance girlfriend who does nothing but biatch and won't put out.
 
2014-08-15 10:21:22 AM  

Doctor Funkenstein: Has Israel seriously ever done a single worthwhile thing?  They're nothing but a high maintenance girlfriend who does nothing but biatch and won't put out.


Doctor Funkenstein...Master of Analogies.
 
2014-08-15 10:21:51 AM  
 
2014-08-15 10:26:45 AM  

zedster: Doctor Funkenstein: Has Israel seriously ever done a single worthwhile thing?  They're nothing but a high maintenance girlfriend who does nothing but biatch and won't put out.

There was that time they went around St. Reagen to make sure Saddam didn't get a nuclear reactor

And that time they made sure Assad didn't get one either

And that time they got there hand on a then top of the line Mig-21 and let the US play with it


Eh, I stand corrected.  That's what I get for running my mouth about stuff I'm not up to speed on.
 
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2014-08-15 10:50:41 AM  

incendi: 'bout goddamned time. I've long been somewhat ambivalent towards our relationship with Israel, but the "don't ever question me again" bullshiat pushed me towards the "Y'know what? fark these guys" camp.


Same here.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-08-15 10:51:52 AM  

zedster: Doctor Funkenstein: Has Israel seriously ever done a single worthwhile thing?  They're nothing but a high maintenance girlfriend who does nothing but biatch and won't put out.

There was that time they went around St. Reagen to make sure Saddam didn't get a nuclear reactor

And that time they made sure Assad didn't get one either

And that time they got there hand on a then top of the line Mig-21 and let the US play with it


So, in other words: No, nothing really major.
 
2014-08-15 10:58:19 AM  

Doctor Funkenstein: Has Israel seriously ever done a single worthwhile thing?  They're nothing but a high maintenance girlfriend who does nothing but biatch and won't put out.


So, Jewish.
 
2014-08-15 10:58:29 AM  
Qatar you can still have yours. Don't worry, just send the check.
 
2014-08-15 10:58:49 AM  
Good.  Those f*ckers need to be reminded who should be sucking whose c*ck.

/hint: it's you, Israel
 
2014-08-15 11:00:58 AM  

zedster: Doctor Funkenstein: Has Israel seriously ever done a single worthwhile thing?  They're nothing but a high maintenance girlfriend who does nothing but biatch and won't put out.

There was that time they went around St. Reagen to make sure Saddam didn't get a nuclear reactor

And that time they made sure Assad didn't get one either

And that time they got there hand on a then top of the line Mig-21 and let the US play with it


Only 1 of those things took place in the last 30 years.  They aren't doing much for us lately.  They're openly insulting our leaders and even attempting to meddle in our elections, and they're doing it while WE'RE supplying THEM with discount weapons.

They need to learn their damn place.
 
2014-08-15 11:01:34 AM  
"Unnamed sources quoted other unnamed sources regarding events that may or may not have happened, revealing an unverifiable breach in relations between the US and Israel." Gotcha.
 
2014-08-15 11:01:41 AM  

incendi: 'bout goddamned time. I've long been somewhat ambivalent towards our relationship with Israel, but the "don't ever question me again" bullshiat pushed me towards the "Y'know what? fark these guys" camp.


I know, I couldn't believe that. Sure, we'll take our billions of dollars and military equipment and get right out of your hair.
 
2014-08-15 11:01:42 AM  

I_Am_Weasel: So Obama is anti-Semitic?


Unilaterally not kissing Israel's ass means you're worse than Hitler.
 
2014-08-15 11:01:49 AM  

Doctor Funkenstein: Has Israel seriously ever done a single worthwhile thing?  They're nothing but a high maintenance girlfriend who does nothing but biatch and won't put out.


Exactly. What does the US get out of this "friendship"? Nothing but headaches.
 
2014-08-15 11:04:24 AM  
Shouldn't Israel be paying us for the privilege of us handing them undeserved land and ignoring their apartheid state?
 
2014-08-15 11:05:24 AM  
Apparently a big issue in the New York state gubernatorial primary is whether or not the challenger (who has the fantastic name of Zephyr Teachout) is pro-Israel.  The theory is that she's not, and that's why she won't answer questions on the topic.

I'm trying to figure out what this has to do with running New York.
 
2014-08-15 11:08:39 AM  

jigger: Doctor Funkenstein: Has Israel seriously ever done a single worthwhile thing?  They're nothing but a high maintenance girlfriend who does nothing but biatch and won't put out.

Exactly. What does the US get out of this "friendship"? Nothing but headaches.


We get justification for terrorism and the general dislike of almost the entire middle east.  Quite a deal, I'd say.
 
2014-08-15 11:08:54 AM  

Dafatone: Apparently a big issue in the New York state gubernatorial primary is whether or not the challenger (who has the fantastic name of Zephyr Teachout) is pro-Israel.  The theory is that she's not, and that's why she won't answer questions on the topic.

I'm trying to figure out what this has to do with running New York.


New York has either the second or third largest population of Jews in the world, after Jerusalem and London (maybe before London).
 
2014-08-15 11:10:49 AM  
img.fark.net
 
2014-08-15 11:11:07 AM  
Good, but too little too late, though, I would say.

It's disgusts me Israel is using US provided weapons systems and munitions to slaughter Palestinians. We should be ashamed of ourselves for aiding the Israelis like this.

I favor stopping all aid to Israel.
 
2014-08-15 11:11:08 AM  

Doctor Funkenstein: Has Israel seriously ever done a single worthwhile thing?  They're nothing but a high maintenance girlfriend who does nothing but biatch and won't put out.


Just wait until Israel's older brothers the Republicans hear how Obama treated their little sister, talk about biatching.
 
2014-08-15 11:12:00 AM  

skepticultist: Dafatone: Apparently a big issue in the New York state gubernatorial primary is whether or not the challenger (who has the fantastic name of Zephyr Teachout) is pro-Israel.  The theory is that she's not, and that's why she won't answer questions on the topic.

I'm trying to figure out what this has to do with running New York.

New York has either the second or third largest population of Jews in the world, after Jerusalem and London (maybe before London).


Well, yes.

I suppose I'm being kinda naive.  I mean, I get why it's a political issue.

I just don't see what it has to do with the state government.
 
2014-08-15 11:12:05 AM  

I_Am_Weasel: So Obama is anti-Semitic?


Because he's muslim as all hell?
 
2014-08-15 11:12:30 AM  
Hey guys!  Is this the thread where we bash Israel, and ignore the fact that they are dealing with terrorists who refuse to stop trying to kill them, and openly deny their right to exist?

(checks thread)

Yep!

Ya know, there is literally not a single damned thing Israel could do that would appease Hamas in the long run.  Nothing.  If they just acceded to Hamas' demands, and opened up Gaza, all that would happen is that Israel would face an epidemic of suicide bombings.  If they gave them more land, Hamas would keep firing rockets and wanting more.

Hamas are animals, and they need to be exterminated.  Israel has finally decided, "fark public opinion, fark the US, fark all y'all.  We're dealing with this shiat, once and for all."

I hear all this Israel bashing, but I don't see many suggestions about what Israel should do to end the conflict permanently.  Would be interested to actually hear suggestions.

Difficulty:  Suggested solutions must result in Hamas no longer attacking Israel in any way, shape, or form.
 
2014-08-15 11:14:33 AM  

vpb: zedster: Doctor Funkenstein: Has Israel seriously ever done a single worthwhile thing?  They're nothing but a high maintenance girlfriend who does nothing but biatch and won't put out.

There was that time they went around St. Reagen to make sure Saddam didn't get a nuclear reactor

And that time they made sure Assad didn't get one either

And that time they got there hand on a then top of the line Mig-21 and let the US play with it

So, in other words: No, nothing really major.


No, nothing major.
Also, Israel manufactures (and exports) several lines of high-quality armaments from handguns to cruise missiles.
This is more along the lines of having a terse conversation with a supplier because a shipment is a couple of days late, and contains items which may not be top shelf.
 
2014-08-15 11:16:47 AM  

Occam's Nailfile: Hey guys!  Is this the thread where we bash Israel, and ignore the fact that they are dealing with terrorists who refuse to stop trying to kill them, and openly deny their right to exist?

(checks thread)

Yep!

Ya know, there is literally not a single damned thing Israel could do that would appease Hamas in the long run.  Nothing.  If they just acceded to Hamas' demands, and opened up Gaza, all that would happen is that Israel would face an epidemic of suicide bombings.  If they gave them more land, Hamas would keep firing rockets and wanting more.

Hamas are animals, and they need to be exterminated.  Israel has finally decided, "fark public opinion, fark the US, fark all y'all.  We're dealing with this shiat, once and for all."

I hear all this Israel bashing, but I don't see many suggestions about what Israel should do to end the conflict permanently.  Would be interested to actually hear suggestions.

Difficulty:  Suggested solutions must result in Hamas no longer attacking Israel in any way, shape, or form.


You know who else saw minorities as animals that needed to be exterminated?
 
2014-08-15 11:17:17 AM  
It's OK.  They don't believe in hellfire anyway.
 
2014-08-15 11:17:18 AM  
"The notion that they are playing the United States, or that they're manipulating us publicly, completely miscalculates their place in the world."

I wish more politicians would say that.
 
2014-08-15 11:17:37 AM  

Occam's Nailfile: Hey guys!  Is this the thread where we bash Israel, and ignore the fact that they are dealing with terrorists who refuse to stop trying to kill them, and openly deny their right to exist?

(checks thread)

Yep!

Ya know, there is literally not a single damned thing Israel could do that would appease Hamas in the long run.  Nothing.  If they just acceded to Hamas' demands, and opened up Gaza, all that would happen is that Israel would face an epidemic of suicide bombings.  If they gave them more land, Hamas would keep firing rockets and wanting more.

Hamas are animals, and they need to be exterminated.  Israel has finally decided, "fark public opinion, fark the US, fark all y'all.  We're dealing with this shiat, once and for all."

I hear all this Israel bashing, but I don't see many suggestions about what Israel should do to end the conflict permanently.  Would be interested to actually hear suggestions.

Difficulty:  Suggested solutions must result in Hamas no longer attacking Israel in any way, shape, or form.


Well in that case we should pull all funding. We don't need to be part of their Final Solution.
 
2014-08-15 11:18:39 AM  
Netanyahoo Serious?
 
2014-08-15 11:18:59 AM  

Fart_Machine: Well in that case we should pull all funding. We don't need to be part of their Final Solution.


So you've got nothing, then.
 
2014-08-15 11:20:02 AM  

sendtodave: You know who else saw minorities as animals that needed to be exterminated?



Every ethnic group in history?
 
2014-08-15 11:20:50 AM  

zedster: There was that time they went around St. Reagen to make sure Saddam didn't get a nuclear reactor

And that time they made sure Assad didn't get one either

And that time they got there hand on a then top of the line Mig-21 and let the US play with it


And all those times they spied on us and sold our military technology and plans to the Soviets and China.  Israel is interested in Israel and has been always been willing to work with anyone and AGAINST anyone if they feel like it.
 
2014-08-15 11:21:50 AM  

Occam's Nailfile: Hamas are animals, and they need to be exterminated. Israel has finally decided, "fark public opinion, fark the US, fark all y'all. We're dealing with this shiat, once and for all."


This. I can't believe the rest of the world doesn't recognize that all they're doing is taking definitive steps towards a solution to the Palestinian question that will leave the situation permanently resolved.
 
2014-08-15 11:22:03 AM  

Occam's Nailfile: Hey guys!  Is this the thread where we bash Israel, and ignore the fact that they are dealing with terrorists who refuse to stop trying to kill them, and openly deny their right to exist?

(checks thread)

Yep!

Ya know, there is literally not a single damned thing Israel could do that would appease Hamas in the long run.  Nothing.  If they just acceded to Hamas' demands, and opened up Gaza, all that would happen is that Israel would face an epidemic of suicide bombings.  If they gave them more land, Hamas would keep firing rockets and wanting more.

Hamas are animals, and they need to be exterminated.  Israel has finally decided, "fark public opinion, fark the US, fark all y'all.  We're dealing with this shiat, once and for all."

I hear all this Israel bashing, but I don't see many suggestions about what Israel should do to end the conflict permanently.  Would be interested to actually hear suggestions.

Difficulty:  Suggested solutions must result in Hamas no longer attacking Israel in any way, shape, or form.


Actually, no.  This is the thread where we point out that they're just leeching off of the US.  Nobody mentioned Hama.  Until you anyway.

Nice threadjack.
 
2014-08-15 11:22:40 AM  

Occam's Nailfile: Hey guys!  Is this the thread where we bash Israel, and ignore the fact that they are dealing with terrorists who refuse to stop trying to kill them, and openly deny their right to exist?

(checks thread)

Yep!

Ya know, there is literally not a single damned thing Israel could do that would appease Hamas in the long run.  Nothing.  If they just acceded to Hamas' demands, and opened up Gaza, all that would happen is that Israel would face an epidemic of suicide bombings.  If they gave them more land, Hamas would keep firing rockets and wanting more.

Hamas are animals, and they need to be exterminated.  Israel has finally decided, "fark public opinion, fark the US, fark all y'all.  We're dealing with this shiat, once and for all."

I hear all this Israel bashing, but I don't see many suggestions about what Israel should do to end the conflict permanently.  Would be interested to actually hear suggestions.

Difficulty:  Suggested solutions must result in Hamas no longer attacking Israel in any way, shape, or form.


They're free to deal with Hamas however they want.

The US is free not to support them with weapons and ammo.
 
2014-08-15 11:24:02 AM  

Occam's Nailfile: Hamas are animals, and they need to be exterminated.



Israel is free to use it's own weapons to do that.
 
2014-08-15 11:24:07 AM  

Occam's Nailfile: Fart_Machine: Well in that case we should pull all funding. We don't need to be part of their Final Solution.

So you've got nothing, then.


Nope the region is farked and we don't need to fund it. The end.
 
2014-08-15 11:24:25 AM  
sendtodave: know who else saw minorities as animals that needed to be exterminated?

If I recall, Germany's Jews weren't shooting rockets at Germans all day, every day.  If they were, Germany might have had a point.

No one is saying that Palestinians need to be exterminated.  Hamas needs to be exterminated.  See the difference?  Sadly though, Hamas is hiding among Palestinians, so as to make Israel look like baby killers whenever they go after Hamas.  So Israel's choices?  Let Hamas kill Israelis with impunity, or try to eradicate them and be labeled murderers.
 
2014-08-15 11:24:53 AM  

Occam's Nailfile: Hey guys!  Is this the thread where we bash Israel, and ignore the fact that they are dealing with terrorists who refuse to stop trying to kill them, and openly deny their right to exist?

(checks thread)

Yep!

Ya know, there is literally not a single damned thing Israel could do that would appease Hamas in the long run.  Nothing.  If they just acceded to Hamas' demands, and opened up Gaza, all that would happen is that Israel would face an epidemic of suicide bombings.  If they gave them more land, Hamas would keep firing rockets and wanting more.

Hamas are animals, and they need to be exterminated.  Israel has finally decided, "fark public opinion, fark the US, fark all y'all.  We're dealing with this shiat, once and for all."

I hear all this Israel bashing, but I don't see many suggestions about what Israel should do to end the conflict permanently.  Would be interested to actually hear suggestions.

Difficulty:  Suggested solutions must result in Hamas no longer attacking Israel in any way, shape, or form.


So lets to to others what the whole farking world had to save us from.....
 
2014-08-15 11:24:55 AM  

Occam's Nailfile: Hamas are animals, and they need to be exterminated.  Israel has finally decided, "fark public opinion, fark the US, fark all y'all.  We're dealing with this shiat, once and for all."

I hear all this Israel bashing, but I don't see many suggestions about what Israel should do to end the conflict permanently.  Would be interested to actually hear suggestions.

Difficulty:  Suggested solutions must result in Hamas no longer attacking Israel in any way, shape, or form


See, you had something going for a while there, and then you jumped into "we're dealing with this" (dealing with this being code for attacking those who are different than them).

And then you want a solution that fits into your little box, trying to ignore human nature, especially of the militant Middle East, where everyone will live happily ever after.

I'm not buying it. Especially because Israel is biting the hand that feeds them. They want to act tough? Fine, we're taking all the US-supplied weapons away. Enjoy wagging your balls in the wind.
 
2014-08-15 11:25:13 AM  

Occam's Nailfile: Ya know, there is literally not a single damned thing Israel could do that would appease Hamas in the long run.


Nice try reframing the conversation.  Try again.  Difficulty: Palestinians =/= Hamas.
 
2014-08-15 11:25:25 AM  

unlikely: This. I can't believe the rest of the world doesn't recognize that all they're doing is taking definitive steps towards a solution to the Palestinian question that will leave the situation permanently resolved.



The fighting in/around Gaza has long reminded me of the Warsaw Uprising.
 
2014-08-15 11:25:30 AM  

unlikely: Occam's Nailfile: Hamas are animals, and they need to be exterminated. Israel has finally decided, "fark public opinion, fark the US, fark all y'all. We're dealing with this shiat, once and for all."

This. I can't believe the rest of the world doesn't recognize that all they're doing is taking definitive steps towards a solution to the Palestinian question that will leave the situation permanently resolved.


A Final Solution. See someone gets it.
 
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