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2014-08-15 09:52:41 AM  
I don't think he was that bad in Daredevil. It's just a boring character. And that playground fight scene was just creepy. But that wasn't his fault.
 
2014-08-15 10:51:27 AM  
Be fair subs Affleck was the least of that "film's" problems.
 
2014-08-15 10:54:42 AM  
Affleck didn't help, but Daredevil was a failure on so many levels. The writers and director deserve way more blame than he does for that pos.
 
2014-08-15 10:55:06 AM  

Mugato: I don't think he was that bad in Daredevil. It's just a boring character. And that playground fight scene was just creepy. the directing, editing, and choice of Elektra were all terrible. But that wasn't his fault.

 
2014-08-15 10:56:35 AM  
I think it is sweet that somebody considers Daredevil to be a major superhero.
 
2014-08-15 10:59:24 AM  
His friends Oscar and Oscar would beg to differ.
 
2014-08-15 10:59:41 AM  
I rewatched DareDevil a couple of weeks ago, and I just refused to be cool and hip, I liked the move just fine.

Were they to release the same movie today with Superheros movies being the big thing, it wouldn't get a tenth of the hate that it gets.
 
2014-08-15 11:00:09 AM  
i've never seen daredevil, but "major superhero"?

ok, admittadly i'm no comic book nerd, but i'd NEVER heard of daredevil prior to the movie starring affleck. is he really a "major" character? i know he must have been known enough for them to make a movie about him, but he's definitely no superman, batman, iron man, or hulk

Mugato: I don't think he was that bad in Daredevil. It's just a boring character. But that wasn't his fault.


this is what i've heard about the movie

ScaryBottles: Be fair subs Affleck was the least of that "film's" problems.


miscreant: Affleck didn't help, but Daredevil was a failure on so many levels. The writers and director deserve way more blame than he does for that pos.


heard this a lot, too

i like affleck in most things i've seen him in...decent actor...somewhat decent range...one of my favorite movies for years was "chasing amy", and it would've been a different movie without affleck
 
2014-08-15 11:00:30 AM  
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2014-08-15 11:00:36 AM  

madgonad: I think it is sweet that somebody considers Daredevil to be a major superhero.


True.  He's always bee a C lister who was a appreciated B lister when Frank Miller wrote him in the 80s.  Nothing more.  And I like the character.
 
2014-08-15 11:01:28 AM  
Daredevil is a "major" superhero now? I'd never heard of him before that movie. Actually, haven't heard of him since that movie either.
 
2014-08-15 11:02:27 AM  

sign_of_Zeta: madgonad: I think it is sweet that somebody considers Daredevil to be a major superhero.

True.  He's always bee a C lister who was a appreciated B lister when Frank Miller wrote him in the 80s.  Nothing more.  And I like the character.


That is the best description of his place in comics.
 
2014-08-15 11:05:28 AM  
Considering the steaming turd that was Man of Steel, and the fact that its basically the same cast and crew, if this movie isn't a complete turd sandwich it will probably be because  of Affleck
 
2014-08-15 11:05:42 AM  

imfallen_angel: I rewatched DareDevil a couple of weeks ago, and I just refused to be cool and hip, I liked the move just fine.

Were they to release the same movie today with Superheros movies being the big thing, it wouldn't get a tenth of the hate that it gets.


wasn't it released in an era of x-men, hulk, etc?

also, is dd on netflix? if so, i need to give it a try this weekend
 
2014-08-15 11:06:13 AM  

sign_of_Zeta: madgonad: I think it is sweet that somebody considers Daredevil to be a major superhero.

True.  He's always been a C lister who was an appreciated B lister when Frank Miller wrote him in the 80s.  Nothing more.  And I like the character.


My typing has become atrocious...
 
2014-08-15 11:06:27 AM  
Sometimes actors take on terrible movies/roles...Affleck did that in Daredevil.  Nothing he could have done to polish that turd up.
 
2014-08-15 11:08:09 AM  
Affleck was the best thing about Daredevil.

The Daredevil Director's Cut was awesome, btw.
 
2014-08-15 11:09:00 AM  
At the end of the day, whether Afleck does a great job in the role or not, it is still being written and directed by Zach Snyder. It will be pretty and dumb.
 
2014-08-15 11:10:38 AM  

NotTooLittleRichard: Affleck was the best thing about Daredevil.

The Daredevil Director's Cut was awesome, btw.


I have heard that but haven't seen it.  You can tell that good chunks of that movie were left of the cutting room floor.

Garner still was an awful Elektra choice.
 
2014-08-15 11:12:15 AM  

sign_of_Zeta: madgonad: I think it is sweet that somebody considers Daredevil to be a major superhero.

True.  He's always bee a C lister who was a appreciated B lister when Frank Miller wrote him in the 80s.  Nothing more.  And I like the character.


Bendis and Kevin Smith runs were better IMHO opinion. I love DD but the theater version sucked. The director's cut was somewhat better.
 
2014-08-15 11:12:48 AM  
But Jennifer Garner was hot in that movie, so it's all good.
 
2014-08-15 11:17:08 AM  

Land_of_the_Magic_Dragon: sign_of_Zeta: madgonad: I think it is sweet that somebody considers Daredevil to be a major superhero.

True.  He's always bee a C lister who was a appreciated B lister when Frank Miller wrote him in the 80s.  Nothing more.  And I like the character.

Bendis and Kevin Smith runs were better IMHO opinion. I love DD but the theater version sucked. The director's cut was somewhat better.


They may or may not be, but I am just talking popularity/bankability.  Daredevil was never hotter than when Miller was writing him.  I mean, there's a reason Luke Cage, Iron Fist, and Daredevil are going to be getting Netflix shows rather than Marvel movies.  They are Tier 3 characters in the public eye.

Hell, Iron Man was a Tier 2 character in public popularity until the movie came out.
 
2014-08-15 11:17:34 AM  
I'll echo a lot of what was said above - Affleck was fine as Daredevil.  He played it pretty well, actually.  Everything around him was pretty terrible.
 
2014-08-15 11:21:04 AM  

sign_of_Zeta: Land_of_the_Magic_Dragon: sign_of_Zeta: madgonad: I think it is sweet that somebody considers Daredevil to be a major superhero.

True.  He's always bee a C lister who was a appreciated B lister when Frank Miller wrote him in the 80s.  Nothing more.  And I like the character.

Bendis and Kevin Smith runs were better IMHO opinion. I love DD but the theater version sucked. The director's cut was somewhat better.

They may or may not be, but I am just talking popularity/bankability.  Daredevil was never hotter than when Miller was writing him.  I mean, there's a reason Luke Cage, Iron Fist, and Daredevil are going to be getting Netflix shows rather than Marvel movies.  They are Tier 3 characters in the public eye.

Hell, Iron Man was a Tier 2 character in public popularity until the movie came out.


i LOVE the iron man movies (and agree he was a 2nd rate character prior), and i highly believe that rdj is THE reason for the success of the character and his movies. favreau, branaugh, and black (and whedon with the avengers) definitely directed him well, but rdj plays the part perfectly! it seems many of stark's personality traits come naturally to rdj
 
2014-08-15 11:21:45 AM  

bungle_jr: wasn't it released in an era of x-men, hulk, etc?


All the super heroes movies around that time X-men, Spider-man, and the Hulk had mixed reviews, they were the beginning, but most people didn't jump into the genre (of being fans of comic heroes) until Iron Man (2008).

The audience for these movies were still pretty divided.  Hulk is as hated as DD, as many others (ex. Elektra, even Watchmen that followed later).

DD has limited material, as others have already stated, he's not really a major character, and even in comic book form, he never really had a huge following, so a movie about this character wasn't going to have a huge reception.  He's more a TV series type hero, like Green Arrow is. (which I've yet to watch)
 
2014-08-15 11:23:02 AM  
Meh, Daredevil came out in the worst time for superhero movies, when they were just seen as cash cows and not as a mode of legit storytelling. And at the same time Affleck hadn't figured out that it is possible to turn down a big budget role. Not a valid concern for why this might suck.
The concern is that superman is shiat for compelling storytelling and Batman just had a spectacular run fresh in people's minds.
 
2014-08-15 11:23:10 AM  
Am I the only one that liked both Daredevil and The Green Lantern?
 
2014-08-15 11:24:31 AM  
Affleck was serviceable as Daredevil.  Not great, but as pointed out, he played competently.
He will be a fine Batman.

People forget that he is a comic fan. Probably not to Kevin Smith (or stereotypical Farker) level, but he has
more than a passing familiarity with and love of the form.

This was the best thing about DAREDEVIL, though:

www.empireonline.com

I admit I was leery when I first heard that he'd been cast, given that The Kingpin is an iconic Marvel
villain.  But, much like the 'recasting' of Nick Fury as a black man, I realized that the essence of the
character had nothing to do with the colour of his skin, and MCD gave a fantastic performance and
completely captured the depth of the character for me.  And he was about as close to the physique of
the comic book version as you are ever likely to find in real life.

His death was a true loss to movies of all stripes.
 
2014-08-15 11:24:37 AM  

miscreant: Affleck didn't help, but Daredevil was a failure on so many levels. The writers and director deserve way more blame than he does for that pos.


Watch the Director's Cut and its clear who deserves the blame:  The Studio.

The Director's Cut eliminates about 5 minutes of Jennifer Garner, completely alters the ending of the rooftop scene (Matt abandons Elektra to fight crime instead of the other way around), adds in a whole subplot about the Kingpin that sets up the ending  so much better, and extends all of the fight scenes -- adding almost 15 minutes of pure action to the film.  What you end up with is a very good Daredevil film that's only serious flaw is only going to annoy fanboys -- the ridiculous number of shout-outs to comic book creators and artists (literally every original character is named after someone from the industry, and it gets stale fast).  But Jennifer Garner was screwing someone at the studio, because the studio made Mark Steven Johnson cut out nearly 35 minutes of action and subplot, expand Garner's role, and play up the love story angle, all too the detriment of the film.  The difference between the theatrical release and the director's cut is so stark the film goes from a dismal D+ to a fun B-.

And say what you will about the rest of the movie, Affleck was  not that film's problem.  I think he gets some guff because he played a blind character fairly realistically, and its a little off-putting (in the way that real blind people can make people uncomfortable).  But I've never understood the fears about Affleck playing Batman -- he'll be great in the role.  It's the rest of the movie, and the studio in particular, that causes me to have zero faith in BvS:DoJ.
 
2014-08-15 11:26:23 AM  

BAMFinator: His friends Oscar and Oscar would beg to differ.



Is he producing Superman v. Batman, or writing the screenplay?
 
2014-08-15 11:27:48 AM  
Prior to any movie influence

Tier 1 Marvel Characters

Spider-Man, X-Men (group), Avengers (group), Wolverine (solo)

Tier 2

Iron Man, Thor, Captain America (more like Tier 1.5), Hulk (Tier 1 in the 60s), Fantastic Four (group/ Tier 1 60s-70s)

Tier 3

X-Men (solo/Tier 2 1980-early 90s), Daredevil, Nick Fury (Tier 2 late 60s-80s), Avengers (solo/non-named members), Heroes for Hire, etc.
 
2014-08-15 11:28:07 AM  

NotTooLittleRichard: Affleck was the best thing about Daredevil.

The Daredevil Director's Cut was awesome, btw.


The Director's Cut was better - bumping it up from "ugh. that sucked.". "Awesome" is overstating it just a little bit.

My biggest problem with the Daredevil movie was the villain Bullseye. He just felt too cartoony/ridiculous for the movie. Ruined any hope the movie had.
 
2014-08-15 11:29:46 AM  
But how was he in 'Phantoms'?
 
2014-08-15 11:29:54 AM  

Tricky Chicken: Am I the only one that liked both Daredevil and The Green Lantern?


Yes.
Be ashamed.
 
2014-08-15 11:30:05 AM  

skepticultist: But Jennifer Garner was screwing someone at the studio, because the studio made Mark Steven Johnson cut out nearly 35 minutes of action and subplot, expand Garner's role, and play up the love story angle, all too the detriment of the film


She was actually super popular at the time, which is the more likely reason.  Remember she had the show Alias, and was the "next big thing" in actresses next to Jessica Alba.  In fact, their careers run a disturbing parallel in "How to blow being the next big thing".
 
2014-08-15 11:30:12 AM  
sign_of_Zeta:

They may or may not be, but I am just talking popularity/bankability.  Daredevil was never hotter than when Miller was writing him.  I mean, there's a reason Luke Cage, Iron Fist, and Daredevil are going to be getting Netflix shows rather than Marvel movies.  They are Tier 3 characters in the public eye.

Hell, Iron Man was a Tier 2 character in public popularity until the movie came out.


Daredevil is Tier 1 make no mistake. Same as Iron Man always was. If there has been a comic staring you since the 60's and there always will be one, you are Tier 1. A team of filmmakers could make them into a hit or a flop of the big screen but that's on them. The material is there. Marvel will always publish these heroes in some form:

Cap
Iron Man
Spider-Man
Thor
Daredevil
X-Men
FF
Avengers
Hulk

I put Punisher on the very edge of this.
 
2014-08-15 11:30:14 AM  

Cybernetic: But Jennifer Garner was hot in that movie, so it's all good.


I've never been one of her fans, she's just not my type, never understood her appeal... just something about her, but she did look good in this movie.
 
2014-08-15 11:30:48 AM  

exparrot: But how was he in 'Phantoms'?



He was the bomb, yo.
 
2014-08-15 11:32:00 AM  

Decillion: sign_of_Zeta:

They may or may not be, but I am just talking popularity/bankability.  Daredevil was never hotter than when Miller was writing him.  I mean, there's a reason Luke Cage, Iron Fist, and Daredevil are going to be getting Netflix shows rather than Marvel movies.  They are Tier 3 characters in the public eye.

Hell, Iron Man was a Tier 2 character in public popularity until the movie came out.

Daredevil is Tier 1 make no mistake. Same as Iron Man always was. If there has been a comic staring you since the 60's and there always will be one, you are Tier 1. A team of filmmakers could make them into a hit or a flop of the big screen but that's on them. The material is there. Marvel will always publish these heroes in some form:

Cap
Iron Man
Spider-Man
Thor
Daredevil
X-Men
FF
Avengers
Hulk

I put Punisher on the very edge of this.


You are thinking like a comic fan, not a Pop culture fan.  95 out of 100 people couldn't have told you who Daredevil was before the movie came out.  Most couldn't ever.

Everyone heard of the X-Men, and most of the FF.
 
2014-08-15 11:32:21 AM  

bungle_jr: but he's definitely no superman, batman, iron man, or hulk


To be fair, I'm no comic book nerd either and I never heard of Iron Man before the first movie.  NOW he's as big as Superman or Batman, but I argue that before the movie, Hulk was the most "known" of the Avengers (a case could be made for Captain America, but I would say people knew he existed but knew little about the character.  Hulk, everyone knows the drill).
 
2014-08-15 11:35:18 AM  

sign_of_Zeta: sign_of_Zeta: madgonad: I think it is sweet that somebody considers Daredevil to be a major superhero.

True.  He's always been a C lister who was an appreciated B lister when Frank Miller wrote him in the 80s.  Nothing more.  And I like the character.

My typing has become atrocious...


Yes well it's probably hard to type when raging all the time and shooting blood out of your mouth, so I feel for ya.

/"hopes" you get better
 
2014-08-15 11:37:35 AM  

Tricky Chicken: Am I the only one that liked both Daredevil and The Green Lantern?


I tend to just do my best and enjoy movies, and Green Lantern was a huge favourite of mine when I was younger and read the comics.  Another that I re-watched a few weeks ago, so it's fresh in my mind.

I was glad to see the effects and happy that we have the technology to make it happen in a way that it really looked "right".

BUT... this is the one movie that I felt could have been 100x better... the story sucked.. to go with Paralax right away was stupid.

Ryan Reynolds did a fine Ryan Reynolds, but he just didn't fit as All Jordan.  None of the actors worked well in the characters.

The movie just felt rushed and pushed too hard to do too much and did most of it badly.
 
2014-08-15 11:38:10 AM  

hammer85: sign_of_Zeta: sign_of_Zeta: madgonad: I think it is sweet that somebody considers Daredevil to be a major superhero.

True.  He's always been a C lister who was an appreciated B lister when Frank Miller wrote him in the 80s.  Nothing more.  And I like the character.

My typing has become atrocious...

Yes well it's probably hard to type when raging all the time and shooting blood out of your mouth, so I feel for ya.

/"hopes" you get better


I'm not upset.   Not at all.  Where did you get that.  I was just giving an honest assessment from a popularity standpoint.
 
2014-08-15 11:38:53 AM  

Decillion: Daredevil is Tier 1 make no mistake. Same as Iron Man always was. If there has been a comic staring you since the 60's and there always will be one, you are Tier 1. A team of filmmakers could make them into a hit or a flop of the big screen but that's on them. The material is there. Marvel will always publish these heroes in some form:


This is correct.  Source:  I worked in a comic book store in high school.
 
2014-08-15 11:39:23 AM  

Tricky Chicken: Am I the only one that liked both Daredevil and The Green Lantern?


No I'm here too.

I liked the start of GL so much.  They could have just spent the last hour of the movie having sinestro and kilowag beat the crap out of Hal and I would have been happy.  But noooooo, let's do giant space cloud.  Idiots.
 
2014-08-15 11:40:05 AM  

sign_of_Zeta: Everyone heard of the X-Men, and most of the FF.


And odd that DareDevil has been on cross-overs with both of these, and also with Spider-Man, Hulk, Iron-Man and pretty much ALL of Marvel's heroes.

If you don't/din't know who DD was, it's because you didn't really read comics and just part of the bandwagon that know "comics" only because..."movies!"
 
2014-08-15 11:41:19 AM  

sign_of_Zeta: hammer85: sign_of_Zeta: sign_of_Zeta: madgonad: I think it is sweet that somebody considers Daredevil to be a major superhero.

True.  He's always been a C lister who was an appreciated B lister when Frank Miller wrote him in the 80s.  Nothing more.  And I like the character.

My typing has become atrocious...

Yes well it's probably hard to type when raging all the time and shooting blood out of your mouth, so I feel for ya.

/"hopes" you get better

I'm not upset.   Not at all.  Where did you get that.  I was just giving an honest assessment from a popularity standpoint.


....it was a gl joke.  atrocious, atrocitus.  Spews blood out of his mouth and is the embodiment of rage.  Cured by the blue light hope.

/sighs
 
2014-08-15 11:42:25 AM  

hammer85: sign_of_Zeta: hammer85: sign_of_Zeta: sign_of_Zeta: madgonad: I think it is sweet that somebody considers Daredevil to be a major superhero.

True.  He's always been a C lister who was an appreciated B lister when Frank Miller wrote him in the 80s.  Nothing more.  And I like the character.

My typing has become atrocious...

Yes well it's probably hard to type when raging all the time and shooting blood out of your mouth, so I feel for ya.

/"hopes" you get better

I'm not upset.   Not at all.  Where did you get that.  I was just giving an honest assessment from a popularity standpoint.

....it was a gl joke.  atrocious, atrocitus.  Spews blood out of his mouth and is the embodiment of rage.  Cured by the blue light hope.

/sighs


I feel so sad I didn't get that.  That's on me.
 
2014-08-15 11:44:14 AM  

imfallen_angel: sign_of_Zeta: Everyone heard of the X-Men, and most of the FF.

And odd that DareDevil has been on cross-overs with both of these, and also with Spider-Man, Hulk, Iron-Man and pretty much ALL of Marvel's heroes.

If you don't/din't know who DD was, it's because you didn't really read comics and just part of the bandwagon that know "comics" only because..."movies!"


That was kind of my point.  Comics readers aren't enough to sustain Hollywood blockbusters.  You have to be more popular than your medium to be a top tier character.

What does a popular comic sell now?  100,000 issues?  100,000 movie ticks make nowhere near enough money to support the films.
 
2014-08-15 11:48:23 AM  

sign_of_Zeta: hammer85: sign_of_Zeta: hammer85: sign_of_Zeta: sign_of_Zeta: madgonad: I think it is sweet that somebody considers Daredevil to be a major superhero.

True.  He's always been a C lister who was an appreciated B lister when Frank Miller wrote him in the 80s.  Nothing more.  And I like the character.

My typing has become atrocious...

Yes well it's probably hard to type when raging all the time and shooting blood out of your mouth, so I feel for ya.

/"hopes" you get better

I'm not upset.   Not at all.  Where did you get that.  I was just giving an honest assessment from a popularity standpoint.

....it was a gl joke.  atrocious, atrocitus.  Spews blood out of his mouth and is the embodiment of rage.  Cured by the blue light hope.

/sighs

I feel so sad I didn't get that.  That's on me.


We all have our off days, lol.

/needs next issue of red lanterns
//its so god damn good
 
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