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(NASCAR)   Tony Stewart decides not to race at Michigan this weekend, will be replaced by the Burton brother who doesn't talk funny. Man, I miss Wawd   (nascar.com) divider line 115
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2014-08-15 08:48:44 AM  
Still not in jail, eh? Someone should get on that.
 
2014-08-15 09:08:17 AM  
If you recall, Wawd won the Daytona 500 because someone decided to walk around on the track during the race.
 
2014-08-15 11:16:17 AM  
The rumor/hoax going around yesterday was that he was retiring. Keeping quiet may be needed for legal sake, but it's leading to things like that.
 
2014-08-15 11:16:48 AM  
Heck, with as many wrecks as old Marble Mouth caused, I am shocked he didn't kill someone too.

/Wawd was my driver
 
2014-08-15 11:26:08 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: If you recall, Wawd won the Daytona 500 because someone decided to walk around on the track during the race.


Gosh I remember that's the race that Sterling Marlin farked up and lost by trying to fix his car's bumper on the track. I totally forgot that Ward was the winner. Did he even win another race?
 
2014-08-15 11:29:37 AM  

dookdookdook: Still not in jail, eh? Someone should get on that.


Why would Jeff Burton be in jail?
 
2014-08-15 11:30:39 AM  

pacochu: The rumor/hoax going around yesterday was that he was retiring. Keeping quiet may be needed for legal sake, but it's leading to things like that.


I suspect it's more like the France family is pressuring Stewart to retire, as he's exactly the sort of publicity that NASCAR does not need.

Only question at this point is how much of his team/track holdings will need to be liquidated to pay off the Ward family.
 
2014-08-15 11:32:32 AM  
Why does Nascar need a rule telling grown men not to walk out into traffic, something I'd expect a child to know?
 
2014-08-15 11:34:01 AM  

eCurmudgeon: pacochu: The rumor/hoax going around yesterday was that he was retiring. Keeping quiet may be needed for legal sake, but it's leading to things like that.

I suspect it's more like the France family is pressuring Stewart to retire, as he's exactly the sort of publicity that NASCAR does not need.

Only question at this point is how much of his team/track holdings will need to be liquidated to pay off the Ward family.


Why would he have to pay off the Ward family?  He didn't do anything wrong.
 
2014-08-15 11:34:07 AM  

pacochu: The rumor/hoax going around yesterday was that he was retiring. Keeping quiet may be needed for legal sake, but it's leading to things like that.


NSFW-ish but relevant to the keeping quiet thing.
 
2014-08-15 11:39:07 AM  
too_amuzed: Why would he have to pay off the Ward family?  He didn't do anything wrong.

Too much risk that a jury in the inevitable wrongful-death lawsuits will see differently.
 
2014-08-15 11:41:36 AM  

iamskibibitz: FirstNationalBastard: If you recall, Wawd won the Daytona 500 because someone decided to walk around on the track during the race.

Gosh I remember that's the race that Sterling Marlin farked up and lost by trying to fix his car's bumper on the track. I totally forgot that Ward was the winner. Did he even win another race?


One of the funniest NASCAR moments ever.  Climbed out of his car under a red flag and yanked on his bumper.  WTF was he thinking?
 
2014-08-15 11:42:01 AM  

iamskibibitz: FirstNationalBastard: If you recall, Wawd won the Daytona 500 because someone decided to walk around on the track during the race.

Gosh I remember that's the race that Sterling Marlin farked up and lost by trying to fix his car's bumper on the track. I totally forgot that Ward was the winner. Did he even win another race?


Ward won 5 Sprint Cup races.
 
2014-08-15 11:42:50 AM  

iamskibibitz: FirstNationalBastard: If you recall, Wawd won the Daytona 500 because someone decided to walk around on the track during the race.

Gosh I remember that's the race that Sterling Marlin farked up and lost by trying to fix his car's bumper on the track. I totally forgot that Ward was the winner. Did he even win another race?


He won 5 races, including a Southern 500.

His last win was later in the 2002 season, after ol' Sterling gave him the 500.
 
2014-08-15 11:44:01 AM  

DeltaX: iamskibibitz: FirstNationalBastard: If you recall, Wawd won the Daytona 500 because someone decided to walk around on the track during the race.

Gosh I remember that's the race that Sterling Marlin farked up and lost by trying to fix his car's bumper on the track. I totally forgot that Ward was the winner. Did he even win another race?

Ward won 5 Sprint Cup races.


No he didn't.

He never won a Sprint Cup race.
 
2014-08-15 11:47:39 AM  

foo monkey: iamskibibitz: FirstNationalBastard: If you recall, Wawd won the Daytona 500 because someone decided to walk around on the track during the race.

Gosh I remember that's the race that Sterling Marlin farked up and lost by trying to fix his car's bumper on the track. I totally forgot that Ward was the winner. Did he even win another race?

One of the funniest NASCAR moments ever.  Climbed out of his car under a red flag and yanked on his bumper.  WTF was he thinking?


He thought that because DE Sr did it once he could hop out of his car too and do a little maintenance.  NASCAR reminded him that he was, in fact, not DE Sr.
 
2014-08-15 11:47:58 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: DeltaX: iamskibibitz: FirstNationalBastard: If you recall, Wawd won the Daytona 500 because someone decided to walk around on the track during the race.

Gosh I remember that's the race that Sterling Marlin farked up and lost by trying to fix his car's bumper on the track. I totally forgot that Ward was the winner. Did he even win another race?

Ward won 5 Sprint Cup races.

No he didn't.

He never won a Sprint Cup race.


This...the concept of changing the name of the championship after the sponsor changes is stupid.  None of his trophies has the "Sprint" logo on them.  They probably have the Winston logo on them
 
2014-08-15 11:53:05 AM  
I was watching NASCAR's announcement regarding the rule changes involving cautions (basically unless the car is smoking or on fire - Stay in the car!) and I couldn't help but think that JJ Yeley is getting off a bit easy.  For those that didn't see Saturday's Nationwide race: Just a few hours before and a short distance away, JJ Yeley during a nationally televised race walked passed safety personnel out onto the race track during a caution to confront driver Trevor Bayne whom blamed for the accident that wrecked Yeley's car.

And then people who've never seen a race wonder where this kid gets the idea that it's acceptable to walk out onto a race track.
 
2014-08-15 12:00:48 PM  

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: foo monkey: iamskibibitz: FirstNationalBastard: If you recall, Wawd won the Daytona 500 because someone decided to walk around on the track during the race.

Gosh I remember that's the race that Sterling Marlin farked up and lost by trying to fix his car's bumper on the track. I totally forgot that Ward was the winner. Did he even win another race?

One of the funniest NASCAR moments ever.  Climbed out of his car under a red flag and yanked on his bumper.  WTF was he thinking?

He thought that because DE Sr did it once he could hop out of his car too and do a little maintenance.  NASCAR reminded him that he was, in fact, not DE Sr.


Is that the reason he killed DE Sr?
 
2014-08-15 12:07:49 PM  

eCurmudgeon: pacochu: The rumor/hoax going around yesterday was that he was retiring. Keeping quiet may be needed for legal sake, but it's leading to things like that.

I suspect it's more like the France family is pressuring Stewart to retire, as he's exactly the sort of publicity that NASCAR does not need.

Only question at this point is how much of his team/track holdings will need to be liquidated to pay off the Ward family.


No Line For Beer: I was watching NASCAR's announcement regarding the rule changes involving cautions (basically unless the car is smoking or on fire - Stay in the car!) and I couldn't help but think that JJ Yeley is getting off a bit easy.  For those that didn't see Saturday's Nationwide race: Just a few hours before and a short distance away, JJ Yeley during a nationally televised race walked passed safety personnel out onto the race track during a caution to confront driver Trevor Bayne whom blamed for the accident that wrecked Yeley's car.

And then people who've never seen a race wonder where this kid gets the idea that it's acceptable to walk out onto a race track.


You have it backwards. People that have only watched NASCAR when it's on TV are under the impression that it's perfectly normal to step onto a live track.
 
2014-08-15 12:31:12 PM  

No Line For Beer: And then people who've never seen a race wonder where this kid gets the idea that it's acceptable to walk out onto a race track.


MFAWG: You have it backwards. People that have only watched NASCAR when it's on TV are under the impression that it's perfectly normal to step onto a live track.


No, no. People who don't watch NASCAR think that those who do make generalizations on the Internet, instead of realizing that different non-racing fans are able to have different opinions.
 
2014-08-15 12:32:04 PM  

bluorangefyre: pacochu: The rumor/hoax going around yesterday was that he was retiring. Keeping quiet may be needed for legal sake, but it's leading to things like that.

NSFW-ish but relevant to the keeping quiet thing.


Doug Wolfgang was a pariah for many years for suing a track owner. The culture hasn't changed much.
 
2014-08-15 12:34:46 PM  

skrame: No Line For Beer: And then people who've never seen a race wonder where this kid gets the idea that it's acceptable to walk out onto a race track.

MFAWG: You have it backwards. People that have only watched NASCAR when it's on TV are under the impression that it's perfectly normal to step onto a live track.

No, no. People who don't watch NASCAR think that those who do make generalizations on the Internet, instead of realizing that different non-racing fans are able to have different opinions.


An opinion based on zero knowledge isnt worth much.
 
2014-08-15 12:46:40 PM  

mcmnky: Why does Nascar need a rule telling grown men not to walk out into traffic, something I'd expect a child to know?


Better yet, why would Nascar have any authority over the rules of sprint car races?
 
2014-08-15 12:51:23 PM  

foo monkey: iamskibibitz: FirstNationalBastard: If you recall, Wawd won the Daytona 500 because someone decided to walk around on the track during the race.

Gosh I remember that's the race that Sterling Marlin farked up and lost by trying to fix his car's bumper on the track. I totally forgot that Ward was the winner. Did he even win another race?

One of the funniest NASCAR moments ever.  Climbed out of his car under a red flag and yanked on his bumper.  WTF was he thinking?


Really, the risk vs. reward on doing that wasn't that bad.

If he does nothing, he almost definitely cuts a tire on account of the fender dragging on it, which means he crashes/needs to pit. Net result: goes to the end of the lead lap cars (likely 20ish)

If he jumps out and pulls the fender away from the tire, he gets an outside chance of maybe surprising everyone and getting away with it.

He was likely boned either way, his course of action just gave him the slightest possibility of winning another 500.
 
2014-08-15 01:01:32 PM  

Uncle Pooky: mcmnky: Why does Nascar need a rule telling grown men not to walk out into traffic, something I'd expect a child to know?

Better yet, why would Nascar have any authority over the rules of sprint car races?


The motorsports have been swirling down in the direction of race combined with a Jerry Springer show for some time now. Unfortunately this poor kid died as a result of his decision to stand in the middle of a race track so he could vent. It would be good if all the governing bodies put a lid on that shiat real quickly.
 
2014-08-15 01:08:31 PM  

monoski: Uncle Pooky: mcmnky: Why does Nascar need a rule telling grown men not to walk out into traffic, something I'd expect a child to know?

Better yet, why would Nascar have any authority over the rules of sprint car races?

The motorsports have been swirling down in the direction of race combined with a Jerry Springer show for some time now. Unfortunately this poor kid died as a result of his decision to stand in the middle of a race track so he could vent. It would be good if all the governing bodies put a lid on that shiat real quickly.


You're painting with a pretty broad brush. I work a lot of races. I have been doing so for almost ten years. I have never had a single person walk onto a hot track.
 
2014-08-15 01:11:08 PM  

Uncle Pooky: mcmnky: Why does Nascar need a rule telling grown men not to walk out into traffic, something I'd expect a child to know?

Better yet, why would Nascar have any authority over the rules of sprint car races?


They don't.  The new rule is for NASCAR so that this same thing doesn't happen live on national television.
 
2014-08-15 01:21:47 PM  
I'm absolutely certain that, if he ever races again, he'll be seeing the first corner from his side-window, if he even makes it that far.
 
2014-08-15 01:23:51 PM  

eCurmudgeon: pacochu: The rumor/hoax going around yesterday was that he was retiring. Keeping quiet may be needed for legal sake, but it's leading to things like that.

I suspect it's more like the France family is pressuring Stewart to retire, as he's exactly the sort of publicity that NASCAR does not need.

Only question at this point is how much of his team/track holdings will need to be liquidated to pay off the Ward family.


More like his sponsors don't want him in the car. He's going to have a heck of a time ever getting on a dirt track again, and his Cup sponsors pulled 95% of their ads featuring him last week. Not allowed on dirt (aside from the track he owns personally), and no sponsor will touch him with a ten foot pole... might as well kick back, pay off the Ward's to stay out of civil court for the next 3 years, and get on with the retired life.
 
2014-08-15 01:29:36 PM  
If Tony retires, who gets his seat? Or does he reduce the team to three cars? Chase Elliott maybe?
 
2014-08-15 01:32:58 PM  

crotchgrabber: If Tony retires, who gets his seat? Or does he reduce the team to three cars? Chase Elliott maybe?


Chase is committed to Hendrick as I understand it. They may go back to 3 cars.. maybe Hendrick sends Kahne over somehow (I'm not sure what his contract situation is).
 
2014-08-15 02:07:43 PM  

crotchgrabber: If Tony retires, who gets his seat? Or does he reduce the team to three cars? Chase Elliott maybe?


Is there another driver that needs a seat that big?
 
2014-08-15 02:19:13 PM  

Lifeless: I'm absolutely certain that, if he ever races again, he'll be seeing the first corner from his side-window, if he even makes it that far.


Why? I don't get it.
 
2014-08-15 02:30:04 PM  

PluckYew: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: foo monkey: iamskibibitz: FirstNationalBastard: If you recall, Wawd won the Daytona 500 because someone decided to walk around on the track during the race.

Gosh I remember that's the race that Sterling Marlin farked up and lost by trying to fix his car's bumper on the track. I totally forgot that Ward was the winner. Did he even win another race?

One of the funniest NASCAR moments ever.  Climbed out of his car under a red flag and yanked on his bumper.  WTF was he thinking?

He thought that because DE Sr did it once he could hop out of his car too and do a little maintenance.  NASCAR reminded him that he was, in fact, not DE Sr.

Is that the reason he killed DE Sr?


You'd have to ask him directly, but that is a coincidence that shouldn't be ignored.

monoski: Uncle Pooky: mcmnky: Why does Nascar need a rule telling grown men not to walk out into traffic, something I'd expect a child to know?

Better yet, why would Nascar have any authority over the rules of sprint car races?

The motorsports have been swirling down in the direction of race combined with a Jerry Springer show for some time now. Unfortunately this poor kid died as a result of his decision to stand in the middle of a race track so he could vent. It would be good if all the governing bodies put a lid on that shiat real quickly.


Yea, since we hit the engineering ceiling it is starting to need more and more "drama" WWE / Maury style to keep things interesting. I wish they would go all electric, it would put some engineering back into the equation. A spec series with artificially limited speeds is B O R I N G.
 
2014-08-15 02:30:25 PM  
I'm also wondering how the Coke-Monster quasi-merger will affect racing sponsorships
 
2014-08-15 02:36:08 PM  

SDRR: PluckYew: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: foo monkey: iamskibibitz: FirstNationalBastard: If you recall, Wawd won the Daytona 500 because someone decided to walk around on the track during the race.

Gosh I remember that's the race that Sterling Marlin farked up and lost by trying to fix his car's bumper on the track. I totally forgot that Ward was the winner. Did he even win another race?

One of the funniest NASCAR moments ever.  Climbed out of his car under a red flag and yanked on his bumper.  WTF was he thinking?

He thought that because DE Sr did it once he could hop out of his car too and do a little maintenance.  NASCAR reminded him that he was, in fact, not DE Sr.

Is that the reason he killed DE Sr?

You'd have to ask him directly, but that is a coincidence that shouldn't be ignored.

monoski: Uncle Pooky: mcmnky: Why does Nascar need a rule telling grown men not to walk out into traffic, something I'd expect a child to know?

Better yet, why would Nascar have any authority over the rules of sprint car races?

The motorsports have been swirling down in the direction of race combined with a Jerry Springer show for some time now. Unfortunately this poor kid died as a result of his decision to stand in the middle of a race track so he could vent. It would be good if all the governing bodies put a lid on that shiat real quickly.

Yea, since we hit the engineering ceiling it is starting to need more and more "drama" WWE / Maury style to keep things interesting. I wish they would go all electric, it would put some engineering back into the equation. A spec series with artificially limited speeds is B O R I N G.


When did NASCAR hit the engineering ceiling?
 
2014-08-15 02:43:53 PM  
Upon viewing the video, I am inclined to think these things:

a) The kid was a moron.  He made a hot headed decision and paid for it with his life.

b)  I don't know what Tony Stewart saw/thought/felt before or after the crash or hitting the kid.

c)  You know the feeling when you're walking down the hallway, turn the corner, and bump into someone, and then you both do that dance thing where you can't seem to get out of each other's way?  Or, worse, you're driving and a deer runs on to the road and you lock up, not knowing whether to brake or swerve, so you kind of do both?  In both instances, you're minding your own business and the unexpected happens and you can't react fast enough to avoid a collision.  Perhaps that what happened here.  Maybe he just locked up and couldn't get out of the way.

Done armchairing now.
 
2014-08-15 03:07:53 PM  

pacochu: The rumor/hoax going around yesterday was that he was retiring. Keeping quiet may be needed for legal sake, but it's leading to things like that.


He probably needs some mental health care. Killing a 20 year old kid has to be a heavy burden to cope with.
 
2014-08-15 03:34:42 PM  

crotchgrabber: monoski: Uncle Pooky: mcmnky: Why does Nascar need a rule telling grown men not to walk out into traffic, something I'd expect a child to know?

Better yet, why would Nascar have any authority over the rules of sprint car races?

The motorsports have been swirling down in the direction of race combined with a Jerry Springer show for some time now. Unfortunately this poor kid died as a result of his decision to stand in the middle of a race track so he could vent. It would be good if all the governing bodies put a lid on that shiat real quickly.

You're painting with a pretty broad brush. I work a lot of races. I have been doing so for almost ten years. I have never had a single person walk onto a hot track.


I've never seen that happen before either, certainly not like he did it. Get out of a car quickly and stay next to it or walk into the infield, yes.

Run down into the racing surface? Never. I have seen an on track fist fight during a red flag, but that's not even close to what this was.

The sad thing is he learned it from watching NASCAR.
 
2014-08-15 03:58:34 PM  

Cubs300: Upon viewing the video, I am inclined to think these things:

a) The kid was a moron.  He made a hot headed decision and paid for it with his life.

b)  I don't know what Tony Stewart saw/thought/felt before or after the crash or hitting the kid.

c)  You know the feeling when you're walking down the hallway, turn the corner, and bump into someone, and then you both do that dance thing where you can't seem to get out of each other's way?  Or, worse, you're driving and a deer runs on to the road and you lock up, not knowing whether to brake or swerve, so you kind of do both?  In both instances, you're minding your own business and the unexpected happens and you can't react fast enough to avoid a collision.  Perhaps that what happened here.  Maybe he just locked up and couldn't get out of the way.

Done armchairing now.


Perfect!
 
2014-08-15 05:38:47 PM  

Cubs300: Upon viewing the video, I am inclined to think these things:

a) The kid was a moron.  He made a hot headed decision and paid for it with his life.

b)  I don't know what Tony Stewart saw/thought/felt before or after the crash or hitting the kid.

c)  You know the feeling when you're walking down the hallway, turn the corner, and bump into someone, and then you both do that dance thing where you can't seem to get out of each other's way?  Or, worse, you're driving and a deer runs on to the road and you lock up, not knowing whether to brake or swerve, so you kind of do both?  In both instances, you're minding your own business and the unexpected happens and you can't react fast enough to avoid a collision.  Perhaps that what happened here.  Maybe he just locked up and couldn't get out of the way.

Done armchairing now.


That's pretty much how I view it too. Let's add the following:

1) Those sprint cars are designed in such a way that it's very hard to see out to the right so Stewart would've had a hard time seeing him unless the kid was standing right in front of the car.

2) The kid was dressed in all black on a poorly lit race track at night. He was going to be hard to see even if those cars allowed a full range of vision.

3) According to a driver behind Tony when the incident happened, Tony was trying to avoid Ward.

This was an extremely unfortunate accident that Tony will have to live with for the rest of his life. I can't blame Tony for taking time off. He's probably reliving that scene every single day and kicking himself over the proverbial "What Ifs." If I was in his camp, I'd encourage him to take the rest of 2014 off to recover from this tragedy. But I hope Tony can get to a point where he can get back into a race car and overcome this.
 
2014-08-15 05:39:02 PM  

Uncle Pooky: mcmnky: Why does Nascar need a rule telling grown men not to walk out into traffic, something I'd expect a child to know?

Better yet, why would Nascar have any authority over the rules of sprint car races?


There was a comment today on FS1 which was basically that the lower series in the USA wait for Nascar to implement safety rules and after that happens, they implement the same verbiage, rules in whatever series it is.  This is to make things easier for lawyers and insurance adjusters to make more money.

/follow the money
 
2014-08-15 05:42:26 PM  

Cubs300: Upon viewing the video, I am inclined to think these things:

a) The kid was a moron.  He made a hot headed decision and paid for it with his life.

b)  I don't know what Tony Stewart saw/thought/felt before or after the crash or hitting the kid.

c)  You know the feeling when you're walking down the hallway, turn the corner, and bump into someone, and then you both do that dance thing where you can't seem to get out of each other's way?  Or, worse, you're driving and a deer runs on to the road and you lock up, not knowing whether to brake or swerve, so you kind of do both?  In both instances, you're minding your own business and the unexpected happens and you can't react fast enough to avoid a collision.  Perhaps that what happened here.  Maybe he just locked up and couldn't get out of the way.

Done armchairing now.


The kid did something stupid, yes (Stewart has behaved similarly himself, though).

However, Stewart didn't have to lift a finger to avoid him. I don't buy the "he couldn't react" thing. If he can't avoid such contact while driving under caution, he's the worst farking driver to ever set foot in a race car. Given that we know that's not the case, the more likely scenario is he wanted to creep the kid out a bit, and in doing so initiated contact.

This guy is dead because both men behaved like complete assholes. One paid with his life. The other at the very least deserves to pay with his career.
 
2014-08-15 05:57:50 PM  
Hm. What the Chase needs now is for Jeff to pull off the win.

/just think about it
 
2014-08-15 06:21:33 PM  

eCurmudgeon: too_amuzed: Why would he have to pay off the Ward family?  He didn't do anything wrong.

Too much risk that a jury in the inevitable wrongful-death lawsuits will see differently.


Assuming that there is no significant evidence that has not yet been released, I agree there is not enough to prove criminality beyond a reasonable doubt. However, there is more than enough to prove civil liability by a preponderance of the evidence. And as far as sponsorships go, he has already been found guilty in the court of public opinion.

If this story had come out a week ago, with the name of the driver left blank, how many people would have filled in the blank with a driver other than Tony Stewart?
 
2014-08-15 06:32:23 PM  
The longer he doesn't race, the more guilty he looks.
 
2014-08-15 06:34:18 PM  

dinch: crotchgrabber: If Tony retires, who gets his seat? Or does he reduce the team to three cars? Chase Elliott maybe?

Is there another driver that needs a seat that big?


I hear Jimmy Spencer is available, but I'm not sure he can fit through the window anymore
 
2014-08-15 06:38:52 PM  

Cup Check: dinch: crotchgrabber: If Tony retires, who gets his seat? Or does he reduce the team to three cars? Chase Elliott maybe?

Is there another driver that needs a seat that big?

I hear Jimmy Spencer is available, but I'm not sure he can fit through the window anymore


Jeb Burton would make sense.
 
2014-08-15 06:57:45 PM  

Towall: eCurmudgeon: too_amuzed: Why would he have to pay off the Ward family?  He didn't do anything wrong.

Too much risk that a jury in the inevitable wrongful-death lawsuits will see differently.

Assuming that there is no significant evidence that has not yet been released, I agree there is not enough to prove criminality beyond a reasonable doubt. However, there is more than enough to prove civil liability by a preponderance of the evidence. And as far as sponsorships go, he has already been found guilty in the court of public opinion.

If this story had come out a week ago, with the name of the driver left blank, how many people would have filled in the blank with a driver other than Tony Stewart?


Tyler Walker comes to mind. Any of the Kaedings at various points in their careers.

That said, I think he never saw him. You just wouldn't expect someone out of the car that fast and in the middle of the track
 
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