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(Daily Mail)   Two Amish girls abducted from their roadside vegetable stand found alive, say they can't wait to get back to doing chores   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 66
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2014-08-15 01:52:57 AM  
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2014-08-15 02:02:46 AM  
See? Look.

Just like I said Staties are the best. State cops doing useful things to help people in sensible cop uniforms is the ideal.

The opposite of that is Fergusun cops and their tacticool machine guns and APCs. If you want to be a Marine, grow a pair join the Marines. Don't be a cop and play dress up.
 
2014-08-15 03:22:36 AM  
So that's why my iPhone flipped out earlier.

And bravo you brave, resourceful kids.
 
2014-08-15 06:29:13 AM  

doglover: See? Look.

Just like I said Staties are the best. State cops doing useful things to help people in sensible cop uniforms is the ideal.

The opposite of that is Fergusun cops and their tacticool machine guns and APCs. If you want to be a Marine, grow a pair join the Marines. Don't be a cop and play dress up.


This.
 
2014-08-15 07:31:04 AM  
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2014-08-15 07:38:40 AM  
Alfalfa did it?
 
2014-08-15 07:41:11 AM  

doglover: See? Look.

Just like I said Staties are the best. State cops doing useful things to help people in sensible cop uniforms is the ideal.

The opposite of that is Fergusun cops and their tacticool machine guns and APCs. If you want to be a Marine, grow a pair join the Marines. Don't be a cop and play dress up.


There's like 87 threads for this.
 
2014-08-15 07:42:34 AM  

doglover: See? Look.

Just like I said Staties are the best. State cops doing useful things to help people in sensible cop uniforms is the ideal.

The opposite of that is Fergusun cops and their tacticool machine guns and APCs. If you want to be a Marine, grow a pair join the Marines. Don't be a cop and play dress up.


FWIW, the Staties took over for the Ferguson cops.

This was a story I needed to have turn out "Doctor Dances/Everyone Lives!", after the past week.
 
2014-08-15 07:43:23 AM  
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I suspect gang activity
 
2014-08-15 07:43:29 AM  
Poor kids.
Being forced in to a horseless carriage and having to experience the devil's technology.
 
2014-08-15 07:44:48 AM  

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I suspect gang activity


Spanky kept them in line.
 
2014-08-15 07:45:18 AM  
You mean these kids aren't complementary?
 
2014-08-15 07:45:58 AM  

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I suspect our gang activity


fixed it for u
 
2014-08-15 07:48:13 AM  
Was it a ToMacco stand?
 
2014-08-15 07:52:26 AM  
So 2 girls, one English cup?
 
2014-08-15 07:55:13 AM  

jehovahs witness protection: Poor kids.
Being forced in to a horseless carriage and having to experience the devil's technology.


If you think about it, what happen to them here will probably drive them further into being Amish. Their contact with "the devil's technology" was intertwined with their kidnapping. Driving the idea home that the outside world is evil and should be kept at a minimum, like the roadside stand.

It's interesting how fast the girls split the moment they had a chance. Other kids would have listened to the kidnapper and stayed put because adults = authority even if that authority was a scary kidnapper. But in this case, the moment the kidnapper's back was turned, off they ran.
 
2014-08-15 08:05:34 AM  

foxtail: Alfalfa did it?


That sketch was of the girl, not the criminal.
 
2014-08-15 08:09:45 AM  

DrFuko: foxtail: Alfalfa did it?

That sketch was of the girl, not the criminal.


Oh.
 
2014-08-15 08:10:47 AM  

DrFuko: foxtail: Alfalfa did it?

That sketch was of the girl, not the criminal.


It's Arya Stark.

Tell the cops to call off the search for the suspects.
 
2014-08-15 08:12:03 AM  

mekki: If you think about it, what happen to them here will probably drive them further into being Amish. Their contact with "the devil's technology" was intertwined with their kidnapping. Driving the idea home that the outside world is evil and should be kept at a minimum, like the roadside stand.

It's interesting how fast the girls split the moment they had a chance. Other kids would have listened to the kidnapper and stayed put because adults = authority even if that authority was a scary kidnapper. But in this case, the moment the kidnapper's back was turned, off they ran.


Except Amish people are allowed to ride in cars. They just can't own them. But in documentaries I have seen, they can hire a non-amish person to drive them somewhere they need to go if it is required.
 
2014-08-15 08:12:07 AM  

vartian: So that's why my iPhone flipped out earlier.

And bravo you brave, resourceful kids.


That's why I disable that shiat.

 
2014-08-15 08:12:32 AM  
Now it's time for RUMSPRINGA!

/happy for them and their safe return.
 
2014-08-15 08:15:47 AM  
I don't have kids but I might someday and if I do I think that I'd like to raise them Amish. You know, instill in them those hard working Amish values and beliefs. And I'm sure they'll eventually have some questions: "Father, how come you get to watch television, and we can't? And how come you get to play video games and read with the lights on and we don't get to?" And I'll get down on a knee and gently say to them: "Well, Sweetie, that's because Daddy's not Amish, and you are. You see, that's what you believe. Now hurry off to bed, you have to get up early tomorrow to harvest my breakfast." Ahh, Amish kids...
 
2014-08-15 08:19:26 AM  

jehovahs witness protection: Poor kids.
Being forced in to a horseless carriage and having to experience the devil's technology.


Actually, the Amish will accept rides in cars for the most part, they just won't own one.  They'll also have electricity at their business if it is necessary to do business, but not in the home.  Many of them will use battery powered lamps.  They're strange.
 
2014-08-15 08:19:40 AM  

mekki: Driving the idea home that the outside world is evil


To be fair, for them the outside world is New York so...

And what does the local state senator do to help? Free pizza for the extended family. Now their way of life is ruined.
 
2014-08-15 08:21:11 AM  

valkore: I don't have kids but I might someday and if I do I think that I'd like to raise them Amish. You know, instill in them those hard working Amish values and beliefs. And I'm sure they'll eventually have some questions: "Father, how come you get to watch television, and we can't? And how come you get to play video games and read with the lights on and we don't get to?" And I'll get down on a knee and gently say to them: "Well, Sweetie, that's because Daddy's not Amish, and you are. You see, that's what you believe. Now hurry off to bed, you have to get up early tomorrow to harvest my breakfast." Ahh, Amish kids...


When there's a tour group of 'em at the zoo in the summer you can almost see the BO stink like radiating off them.
 
2014-08-15 08:21:35 AM  

mechgreg: mekki: If you think about it, what happen to them here will probably drive them further into being Amish. Their contact with "the devil's technology" was intertwined with their kidnapping. Driving the idea home that the outside world is evil and should be kept at a minimum, like the roadside stand.

It's interesting how fast the girls split the moment they had a chance. Other kids would have listened to the kidnapper and stayed put because adults = authority even if that authority was a scary kidnapper. But in this case, the moment the kidnapper's back was turned, off they ran.

Except Amish people are allowed to ride in cars. They just can't own them. But in documentaries I have seen, they can hire a non-amish person to drive them somewhere they need to go if it is required they want to.


The Amish are absurdly hypocritical about some stuff.  My in-laws have Amish owned farms on 3 sides of them.  They also have 4 cell phone bills, because while their neighbors can't OWN those Samsung Galaxy S4s and iPhone 5s they use, they're allowed to "borrow" them from my in-laws, and pay them for their use.  Our niece drives an "Amish taxi", and better than half of the women she drives around, of all ages under about 50 bring regular clothes to change into in the car on their way to the mall, or Target.  It's almost a joke they play on the tourists at this point, I swear.
 
2014-08-15 08:22:50 AM  

nekom: Actually, the Amish will accept rides in cars for the most part, they just won't own one.  They'll also have electricity at their business if it is necessary to do business, but not in the home.  Many of them will use battery powered lamps.  They're strange.


I do lots of business with the Amish.  They have cell phones, they pay with credit cards.  They are generally hypocrites, and don't forget, they are going to heaven and you aren't you English heathen.

/but, their money still spends.....
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2014-08-15 08:28:04 AM  
I bet they were already dressed like whore Mennonites, showing ankles and everything.
 
2014-08-15 08:29:05 AM  

nekom: Actually, the Amish will accept rides in cars for the most part, they just won't own one.  They'll also have electricity at their business if it is necessary to do business, but not in the home.  Many of them will use battery powered lamps.  They're strange.


I kind of get it. We visited pennsylvania dutch country this spring (my wife finds the Amish really interesting) and it seems that the whole thing is not about pretending that technology doesn't exist, but about being as self-sufficient as possible. It me that means you use a horse and buggy because fixing the wheel on a buggy by yourself is a lot easier than fixing the fuel injection on a car by yourself. Especially if you only have an 8th grade education.
 
2014-08-15 08:32:18 AM  
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Really? That's a 12-year-old girl? With a beard?
This is the best your sketch artist could do?
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2014-08-15 08:32:23 AM  

mechgreg: nekom: Actually, the Amish will accept rides in cars for the most part, they just won't own one.  They'll also have electricity at their business if it is necessary to do business, but not in the home.  Many of them will use battery powered lamps.  They're strange.

I kind of get it. We visited pennsylvania dutch country this spring (my wife finds the Amish really interesting) and it seems that the whole thing is not about pretending that technology doesn't exist, but about being as self-sufficient as possible. It me that means you use a horse and buggy because fixing the wheel on a buggy by yourself is a lot easier than fixing the fuel injection on a car by yourself. Especially if you only have an 8th grade education.


I've always been fascinated buy this conundrum: God made everything, right?  Therefore he made technology, however some groups see it as inherently evil.  He also made modern medicine, but somehow the Christian scientists see that is evil.  Of course both groups have mental gymnastics to get around the contradiction, but I still find it odd.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2014-08-15 08:33:26 AM  

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Really? That's a 12-year-old girl? With a beard?
This is the best your sketch artist could do?


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2014-08-15 08:34:45 AM  

mechgreg: nekom: Actually, the Amish will accept rides in cars for the most part, they just won't own one.  They'll also have electricity at their business if it is necessary to do business, but not in the home.  Many of them will use battery powered lamps.  They're strange.

I kind of get it. We visited pennsylvania dutch country this spring (my wife finds the Amish really interesting) and it seems that the whole thing is not about pretending that technology doesn't exist, but about being as self-sufficient as possible. It me that means you use a horse and buggy because fixing the wheel on a buggy by yourself is a lot easier than fixing the fuel injection on a car by yourself. Especially if you only have an 8th grade education.


Old Order Amish eschew technology primarily because they believe it detracts from a simple life devoted to God and family, not because of any distrust or dislike of it or because of simplicity for simplicity's sake.
 
2014-08-15 08:35:14 AM  

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I suspect gang activity


Ain't even mad...

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2014-08-15 08:38:36 AM  

skozlaw: Old Order Amish eschew technology primarily because they believe it detracts from a simple life devoted to God and family, not because of any distrust or dislike of it or because of simplicity for simplicity's sake.


That's probably the spin they put on it, but I wonder if it is the reason they tell people just to get them to fall in line. Kind of like how in Judaism you can't eat pork right, and it is a sin. I remember reading in an anthropology book in university that that rule came up not because pigs were inherently evil, but because raising pigs, compared to raising goats/sheep/cows is a huge pain in the ass, and doesn't have as many benefits. But instead of telling people all of that stuff it just became "god doesn't want you to eat pork".
 
2014-08-15 08:40:04 AM  
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Freakin' Dean...
 
2014-08-15 08:40:57 AM  

devildog123: The Amish are absurdly hypocritical about some stuff. My in-laws have Amish owned farms on 3 sides of them. They also have 4 cell phone bills, because while their neighbors can't OWN those Samsung Galaxy S4s and iPhone 5s they use, they're allowed to "borrow" them from my in-laws, and pay them for their use. Our niece drives an "Amish taxi", and better than half of the women she drives around, of all ages under about 50 bring regular clothes to change into in the car on their way to the mall, or Target. It's almost a joke they play on the tourists at this point, I swear.


They're not hypocritical.

They're not materialistic and don't strive to each own a hoard of crap. They consider that self-centered behavior.

Instead of spending their day gawking at their phones, they talk to people. Even if they want to use a phone, they have to speak to their neighbors. Community dependency is a virtue they cultivate.

.
 
2014-08-15 08:42:08 AM  

nekom: jehovahs witness protection: Poor kids.
Being forced in to a horseless carriage and having to experience the devil's technology.

Actually, the Amish will accept rides in cars for the most part, they just won't own one.  They'll also have electricity at their business if it is necessary to do business, but not in the home.  Many of them will use battery powered lamps.  They're strange.


If I'm not mistaken, it's less about the technology and more about being "tied to the grid" and by grid they mean someone (other than God) that can have authority over their day to day lives; i.e. the government, the electric company etc. I know some of them use trak phones as well and solar is big in certain Amish communities.
 
2014-08-15 08:42:20 AM  
I am glad the girls returned home safe.    Good to hear.
 
2014-08-15 08:45:53 AM  
Here's a link about the incident from the local newspaper: Ogdensburg Journal. I know this family. :>/

I grew up less than a mile from the pictured Heuvelton Fire Station; in fact the State Senator in the article and I graduated together - a large graduating class that year: 53

You have to understand there are dozens of Amish farms in the area, almost all have a roadside stand that sells fresh grown vegetables, jams, bread, eggs, quilts, etc.

Common family size is a dozen or more. The local Amish are quite conservative, but they don't see technology as 'the devil'. They just don't believe that tech improves their quality of life.  Lol - I could write a dozen pages on how/where the local community draws the line, but just a couple:

1. A baling machine - a piece of farm equipment on wheels that is pulled around the field and gathers/ties the new cut hay into more manageable 'bales' is right out, but take that same machine off the wheels, put it in the center of the field, and manually bring the hay to it... that's fine.
2. 'Running' water. No modern plumbing is allowed in the house - (the closest I've seen is a hand pump in the kitchen). However, I've seen them set up a non-electric pump (Archemedian screw) from a nearby creek to provide running water to their barn/livestock.

When I was living there I quite often gave them a ride - again, if you read the article they went to the neighbor's home to use the phone. They use modern medical facilities as needed and pay for it (a feat in itself since they don't believe in/have insurance).

Great people, great community.

/Just as well I don't live there anymore. I'd weigh 3000lbs. - I went up to see my mother for her 89th birthday; she wanted to go to the stands every morning.  A quart of strawberries - picked fresh that morning - was $2 - $2.50, depending on the stand.
//I learned they add mashed potatoes into their bread dough - it makes the dough fluffier and it lasts longer - doesn't mold as quickly.
///Maybe only of interest to myself, but I'd taken my mother to her parent's cemetery, which is only a couple miles from where the little girls were dropped off. Turned down a back road only to startle a black bear who ran a couple hundred yards down the road in front of us before crashing into the brush/woods.  Deer, fox, turkeys in her field and yard are quite common.
 
2014-08-15 08:58:32 AM  

mechgreg: I kind of get it. We visited pennsylvania dutch country this spring (my wife finds the Amish really interesting) and it seems that the whole thing is not about pretending that technology doesn't exist, but about being as self-sufficient as possible. It me that means you use a horse and buggy because fixing the wheel on a buggy by yourself is a lot easier than fixing the fuel injection on a car by yourself. Especially if you only have an 8th grade education.


I read a book about a woman who was renovating an old house in the area.  If the harvests were late, she would get up in the middle of the night and look out into the fields to see Amish people on tractors, trying to get everything harvested.  Many of them know how to use technology, but like most religious, they think of ways to get around the stricter protocols (like Jewish Eruvs).
 
2014-08-15 09:04:18 AM  

mechgreg: skozlaw: Old Order Amish eschew technology primarily because they believe it detracts from a simple life devoted to God and family, not because of any distrust or dislike of it or because of simplicity for simplicity's sake.

That's probably the spin they put on it, but I wonder if it is the reason they tell people just to get them to fall in line. Kind of like how in Judaism you can't eat pork right, and it is a sin. I remember reading in an anthropology book in university that that rule came up not because pigs were inherently evil, but because raising pigs, compared to raising goats/sheep/cows is a huge pain in the ass, and doesn't have as many benefits. But instead of telling people all of that stuff it just became "god doesn't want you to eat pork".


They also carry human diseases, like the flu. So yeah, makes sense to have hygiene restrictions governed by a god, no mess no fuss
 
2014-08-15 09:09:01 AM  

toadist: I am glad the girls returned home safe.    Good to hear.


this, of course. so we can joke about it.
 
2014-08-15 09:22:38 AM  
Interesting tag, Subby? How about Spiffy or Cool? I think the survival of 2 young girls deserves a little celebration.
 
2014-08-15 09:42:32 AM  
They should build a barn around him to capture him.
 
2014-08-15 09:47:52 AM  

mechgreg: That's probably the spin they put on it, but I wonder if it is the reason they tell people just to get them to fall in line.


I'm sure we could sit here and come up with all sorts of wild speculation on the motivations of different people we don't really know until our faces turn purple and we pass out. I'm not sure what purpose that's supposed to serve, though.

If you just want to knock the Amish, there's plenty of perfectly valid reasons to crap on some of the things they do, but if you're just speculating wildly I'm not quite sure what the point is.
 
2014-08-15 10:18:25 AM  

gerbilpox: Interesting tag, Subby? How about Spiffy or Cool? I think the survival of 2 young girls deserves a little celebration.


I just hope they weren't sexually abused before they got away.  Doesn't SOUND like they were.  Hopefully they can put this incident behind them and they catch the perp.
 
2014-08-15 10:29:27 AM  

The Muthaship: doglover: See? Look.

Just like I said Staties are the best. State cops doing useful things to help people in sensible cop uniforms is the ideal.

The opposite of that is Fergusun cops and their tacticool machine guns and APCs. If you want to be a Marine, grow a pair join the Marines. Don't be a cop and play dress up.

There's like 87 threads for this.


There are never enough threads for this.
 
2014-08-15 10:37:18 AM  

Mein Fuhrer I Can Walk: There are never enough threads for this.


Even if the state cops didn't do sh*t in this case?  These girls escaped on their own.  The state cops are snooping around a vegetable stand and have "no leads".
 
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