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2014-08-14 11:46:40 PM  
dailypostal.com
 
2014-08-14 11:59:36 PM  
You mean language is not a static unchanging force?  It evolves over time? The hell you say!
 
2014-08-15 12:22:14 AM  
Forsooth, 'tis nae fathomable accepting new verbiage. Language is ever fixt, as the orbs in the firmament.
 
2014-08-15 01:44:10 AM  
farking OED, how does it work?
 
2014-08-15 01:54:00 AM  
Yeah, but they added sideboob.

Mmmmmmmm....sideboob....
 
2014-08-15 02:20:11 AM  

Ambivalence: You mean language is not a static unchanging force?  It evolves over time? The hell you say!


Like the Jerusalem centurion said to the curious Pontius Pilate: "Nailed it."
 
2014-08-15 02:46:37 AM  
YODO
 
2014-08-15 03:29:16 AM  
Today is the last day that I'm using dictionaries, they've gone out
 
2014-08-15 03:46:51 AM  

doyner: Yeah, but they added sideboob.

Mmmmmmmm....sideboob....


Now the staffers who tirelessly work the sideboob beat at Huffpo can officially use it on the resume.
 
2014-08-15 04:29:38 AM  
i358.photobucket.com
 
2014-08-15 04:29:49 AM  
I'm amazeballs about that cray shee', oh w/e YOLO!
 
2014-08-15 04:32:09 AM  
Glad to see mansplain finally made it in. Adds some balance to coont which we've had to deal with for centuries.
 
2014-08-15 04:40:03 AM  
Chuse isn't a word. According to the Fark spell check.
It is in the Constitution.
I chuse you, Pennsylvania Liberty Bell.
joshblackman.com
 
2014-08-15 04:45:21 AM  

doyner: Yeah, but they added sideboob.

Mmmmmmmm....sideboob....


When I opened the article that was the first thing on the page that caught my eye.
I thought those were links so I clicked on it only to be disappointed.
 
2014-08-15 04:58:40 AM  
Anybody that objects to sideboob, I don't even.
 
2014-08-15 05:02:17 AM  
You all are a bunch of jive turkeys, spazzing out on this issue.

I say keep on trucking, Oxford Editors.  You'll stay as relevant as New Coke and Disco, which is to say "forever".  Ya dig?
 
2014-08-15 05:02:50 AM  

nmrsnr: Forsooth, 'tis nae fathomable accepting new verbiage. Language is ever fixt, as the orbs in the firmament.


You won the thread. Hell, we're done here.
 
2014-08-15 05:05:47 AM  
I'm not opposed to adding new words, no matter how stupid, but acronyms? Is NATO in the dictionary? If it is it shouldn't be. YOLO, SMH, FML shouldn't be either. They should be in a dictionary of acronyms. Also, why are two words together being put in the dictionary? 'Side' has an entry, and 'boob' has an entry, 'side boob' doesn't need an entry.
 
2014-08-15 05:07:26 AM  
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2014-08-15 05:08:53 AM  
FTFA: this is not the official Oxford English Dictionary... that part of the family requires words to have more historical, significant impact before officially adding them.

So turn down the hyperbole Subs.

/love me a good dictionary and thesaurus
//online "synonym" and thesaurus sites blow
///so does the "Roget's II The New Thesaurus," 1995 and all subsequent editions
 
2014-08-15 05:09:55 AM  
What's the issue? Those are all crommulent to me.
 
2014-08-15 05:13:42 AM  
My newest dictionary is an unabridged, seven language copy from 1976. While I will admit that a few new words have cropped up since then, the vast majority of new entries seem to be temporarily fashionable slang. I'll start respecting the OED again when they go back to respecting language.

/Don't yet have a Cray, but you should see my Wang.
 
2014-08-15 05:14:28 AM  

Slaxl: I'm not opposed to adding new words, no matter how stupid, but acronyms? Is NATO in the dictionary? If it is it shouldn't be. YOLO, SMH, FML shouldn't be either. They should be in a dictionary of acronyms. Also, why are two words together being put in the dictionary? 'Side' has an entry, and 'boob' has an entry, 'side boob' doesn't need an entry.


http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/NATO
 
2014-08-15 05:19:01 AM  

C18H27NO3: I thought those were links so I clicked on it only to be disappointed.


Lou Dubois sucks, Capsaicin. Follow the link to the real table
 
2014-08-15 05:24:19 AM  

brimed03: FTFA: this is not the official Oxford English Dictionary... that part of the family requires words to have more historical, significant impact before officially adding them.

So turn down the hyperbole Subs.


So basically an "official" version of Urban Dictionary? You know, without all those acronyms and <name of person> followed by "is a dick sucker" or "is awesome" (depending on who wrote it). That damn site needs some filtering before adding any crap people submit. Hitting random word is a 9 out of 10 chance of brain-punching. Still, it had its uses.
 
2014-08-15 05:25:15 AM  

Ambivalence: You mean language is not a static unchanging force?  It evolves over time? The hell you say!


Except that these "changes" are unlikely to be consistent.  No one will be saying "yolo" in even 2024, much less 2054.

So... no.  Still kinda stupid.  Slang isn't really the same thing as language.  Similar, but not the same.  Like the difference between a joke and an in-joke.  Communication that's only comprehensible in an extremely limited audience doesn't necessarily count, though I suppose technically it's a matter of degrees and this particular dictionary's just drawing the line somewhere different than most people.
 
2014-08-15 05:31:00 AM  
If only we had some examples of side boob
 
2014-08-15 05:33:39 AM  
No, I'm pretty sure it's still something along the lines of "a compilation of words in standard usage in a language." Sadly for those unable to adapt, languages are not static.
 
2014-08-15 05:34:25 AM  
www.nndb.com

it's a book listing the words used in a language and their meanings, but that's not what's important right now
 
2014-08-15 05:36:27 AM  

Jim_Callahan: Ambivalence: You mean language is not a static unchanging force?  It evolves over time? The hell you say!

Except that these "changes" are unlikely to be consistent.  No one will be saying "yolo" in even 2024, much less 2054.

So... no.  Still kinda stupid.  Slang isn't really the same thing as language.  Similar, but not the same.  Like the difference between a joke and an in-joke.  Communication that's only comprehensible in an extremely limited audience doesn't necessarily count, though I suppose technically it's a matter of degrees and this particular dictionary's just drawing the line somewhere different than most people.


We live in a digital age where changes can be made instantly. What does it matter if it's not a permanent change to our language? It's relevant now, and therefore into the dictionary it goes. If it becomes obsolete, it will be marked with an "obs." in the dictionary and eventually removed.
 
2014-08-15 05:40:51 AM  
It's interesting to see how acronyms like FML and YOLO are on the list, are acronyms considered words?
(I have now idea what ICYMI and WDYT means)
 
2014-08-15 05:40:55 AM  

Slaxl: I'm not opposed to adding new words, no matter how stupid, but acronyms? Is NATO in the dictionary? If it is it shouldn't be. YOLO, SMH, FML shouldn't be either. They should be in a dictionary of acronyms. Also, why are two words together being put in the dictionary? 'Side' has an entry, and 'boob' has an entry, 'side boob' doesn't need an entry.


Yeah, RADSR, SCUBA, and LASER have no place in the dictionary.

And do we really need "typewriter" when we have "type" and "writer"?
 
2014-08-15 05:50:35 AM  

exatron: Slaxl: I'm not opposed to adding new words, no matter how stupid, but acronyms? Is NATO in the dictionary? If it is it shouldn't be. YOLO, SMH, FML shouldn't be either. They should be in a dictionary of acronyms. Also, why are two words together being put in the dictionary? 'Side' has an entry, and 'boob' has an entry, 'side boob' doesn't need an entry.

Yeah, RADSR, SCUBA, and LASER have no place in the dictionary.

And do we really need "typewriter" when we have "type" and "writer"?


I think so, but YMMV.
 
2014-08-15 05:53:37 AM  

exatron: Slaxl: I'm not opposed to adding new words, no matter how stupid, but acronyms? Is NATO in the dictionary? If it is it shouldn't be. YOLO, SMH, FML shouldn't be either. They should be in a dictionary of acronyms. Also, why are two words together being put in the dictionary? 'Side' has an entry, and 'boob' has an entry, 'side boob' doesn't need an entry.

Yeah, RADSR, SCUBA, and LASER have no place in the dictionary.

And do we really need "typewriter" when we have "type" and "writer"?


"Typewriter" isn't the same as "side boob". "Side boob" is two separate words, not even hyphenated. If the dictionary had added it as "sideboob" I wouldn't have brought it up.

I suppose you do have a point with the acronyms though. I cheerfully withdraw my objection.
 
2014-08-15 05:54:00 AM  

brimed03: FTFA: this is not the official Oxford English Dictionary... that part of the family requires words to have more historical, significant impact before officially adding them.

So turn down the hyperbole Subs.

/love me a good dictionary and thesaurus
//online "synonym" and thesaurus sites blow
///so does the "Roget's II The New Thesaurus," 1995 and all subsequent editions


Roget's II: Electeric Boogaloo
 
2014-08-15 05:57:23 AM  
Also: "amazeballs" (that's the first time I've ever typed that 'word', btw) is stupid. As is anyone who casually uses it in everyday conversation.
 
2014-08-15 05:58:13 AM  

exatron: Slaxl: I'm not opposed to adding new words, no matter how stupid, but acronyms? Is NATO in the dictionary? If it is it shouldn't be. YOLO, SMH, FML shouldn't be either. They should be in a dictionary of acronyms. Also, why are two words together being put in the dictionary? 'Side' has an entry, and 'boob' has an entry, 'side boob' doesn't need an entry.

Yeah, RADSR, SCUBA, and LASER have no place in the dictionary.

And do we really need "typewriter" when we have "type" and "writer"?


Radio detection. Such ranging. Wow.
 
2014-08-15 06:00:53 AM  

Jim_Callahan: Except that these "changes" are unlikely to be consistent. No one will be saying "yolo" in even 2024, much less 2054.


No changes are consistant.  You think there aren't words that used to be used commonly that no one uses anymore?  Words are always coming and going.  Now, certainly, change is happening more quickly with the internet, but that doesn't mean the phenomenon is a new one.
 
2014-08-15 06:02:43 AM  
www.examiner.com
 
2014-08-15 06:09:59 AM  

Slaxl: exatron: Slaxl: I'm not opposed to adding new words, no matter how stupid, but acronyms? Is NATO in the dictionary? If it is it shouldn't be. YOLO, SMH, FML shouldn't be either. They should be in a dictionary of acronyms. Also, why are two words together being put in the dictionary? 'Side' has an entry, and 'boob' has an entry, 'side boob' doesn't need an entry.

Yeah, RADSR, SCUBA, and LASER have no place in the dictionary.

And do we really need "typewriter" when we have "type" and "writer"?

"Typewriter" isn't the same as "side boob". "Side boob" is two separate words, not even hyphenated. If the dictionary had added it as "sideboob" I wouldn't have brought it up.



The fact that there is a space in "side boob" means nothing.  "Ice cream" has a space, yet it is a single word.
 
2014-08-15 06:14:32 AM  

Jim_Callahan: Ambivalence: You mean language is not a static unchanging force?  It evolves over time? The hell you say!

Except that these "changes" are unlikely to be consistent.  No one will be saying "yolo" in even 2024, much less 2054.

So... no.  Still kinda stupid.  Slang isn't really the same thing as language.  Similar, but not the same.  Like the difference between a joke and an in-joke.  Communication that's only comprehensible in an extremely limited audience doesn't necessarily count, though I suppose technically it's a matter of degrees and this particular dictionary's just drawing the line somewhere different than most people.


I really hope people stop saying "yolo".  It's highly offensive to Buddhists.
 
2014-08-15 06:19:39 AM  

Slaxl: exatron: Slaxl: I'm not opposed to adding new words, no matter how stupid, but acronyms? Is NATO in the dictionary? If it is it shouldn't be. YOLO, SMH, FML shouldn't be either. They should be in a dictionary of acronyms. Also, why are two words together being put in the dictionary? 'Side' has an entry, and 'boob' has an entry, 'side boob' doesn't need an entry.

Yeah, RADSR, SCUBA, and LASER have no place in the dictionary.

And do we really need "typewriter" when we have "type" and "writer"?

"Typewriter" isn't the same as "side boob". "Side boob" is two separate words, not even hyphenated. If the dictionary had added it as "sideboob" I wouldn't have brought it up.

I suppose you do have a point with the acronyms though. I cheerfully withdraw my objection.


You better not be arguing that we don't need side boob. Of course we need side boob. We also need front boob, top boob, under boob, and boob in my mouth. Ow wait, we're talking about whether or not it belongs in the dictionary? Disregard, carry on.
 
2014-08-15 06:25:00 AM  

Jim_Callahan: Except that these "changes" are unlikely to be consistent. No one will be saying "yolo" in even 2024, much less 2054.


Nobody is saying it now. I have never heard a person actually say that, outside of media claims that "everyone" is saying it.

I realize I have a strong aversion to slang and abbreviations, but I recognize things that people are actually saying versus something stupid somebody wrote on Twitter once and it somehow made the 24-hour "news" cycle on a slow day.
 
2014-08-15 06:29:22 AM  
No Fark?
 
2014-08-15 06:29:24 AM  
3.bp.blogspot.com

It's real to me, damn it!
 
2014-08-15 06:32:49 AM  
Wasn't collecting all words used in the English language that can be specifically cited the original goal of the OED project? Strip over reacting.
 
2014-08-15 06:35:06 AM  

exatron: Slaxl: I'm not opposed to adding new words, no matter how stupid, but acronyms? Is NATO in the dictionary? If it is it shouldn't be. YOLO, SMH, FML shouldn't be either. They should be in a dictionary of acronyms. Also, why are two words together being put in the dictionary? 'Side' has an entry, and 'boob' has an entry, 'side boob' doesn't need an entry.

Yeah, RADSR, SCUBA, and LASER have no place in the dictionary.

And do we really need "typewriter" when we have "type" and "writer"?


Those are acronyms that have become commonly accepted words, though - and many people do not even know they are acronyms. (I'll admit I did not know 'laser' was, but I did know the other two.)  That's why words should only be added after they pass some sort of test of time.  Your examples are tangible things and acronyms that are used to describe actual things, things that people can quickly say "ah, yes, scuba - underwater diving;.  A certain type of diving gear."  "Yolo" is just a... well, I have no idea. Just a stupid turn of phrase that nobody would seriously use, that does not evoke anything specific and will not pass any tests of time.  It probably wouldn't even be a footnote in the history of bad slang, if such a thing existed.

Also, what is the origin of "cray"? Was the extra letter to write "crazy" too difficult for idiots?
 
2014-08-15 06:47:17 AM  
Still missing contrafibulations...
3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-08-15 06:48:35 AM  

Gunny Highway: Wasn't collecting all words used in the English language that can be specifically cited the original goal of the OED project? Strip over reacting.


Every single one, sir?
 
2014-08-15 07:12:21 AM  

Ambivalence: Jim_Callahan: Except that these "changes" are unlikely to be consistent. No one will be saying "yolo" in even 2024, much less 2054.

No changes are consistant.  You think there aren't words that used to be used commonly that no one uses anymore?  Words are always coming and going.  Now, certainly, change is happening more quickly with the internet, but that doesn't mean the phenomenon is a new one.


This.(as well as others).  Dictionaries, since their very origins, are a collection of (popular)words.  They are neutral descriptions, not authoritative works.

Trying to argue the later is petty and ignorant, but it does serve as a window to how poorly a person evaluates other things.

Not to say that it doesn't have it's uses.  It's good to source the dictionary when people try to bend/break language to their own means.  No reason to just add meaning based on one man's whim/ignorance.  That does corrupt language and lends itself to communication barriers.

A dictionary, such as it exists today, is a balanced approach granting something that brings some kind of longevity while yet allowing language to grow.
 
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